/lit/ - Literature

>>12911597
I want her to sit on my face and make me lick her feet

>>12911613
Gross.

>>12911597
She tried to create an aryan community in brazil (I think) with her husband and some friends, but they ran out of money.
The husband killed himself and she came back to Germany to take care of her brother or leech off his fame.
Who knows...

>>12911597
>wrote
compiled

>>12911628
lol
cope more incel

>>12911627
>Who knows...

>>12911627
Paraguay btw

>>12911672
Yeah, wasn't sure

>>12911661
If I remember well he wrote some notes regarding his sister.

>>12911640
have sex

As a Marxist, I find his entire 'philosophy' utterly repugnant. Just look at this excerpt from TSZ. None of his thinking is remotely in the realm of reality...

Equality is poison? That's just bourgeois apologism. Funny how this phenomenon was already predicted by Marx's historical materialism.

>>12911686
>>>/r9k/

>>12911597
Elizabeth was a leech who completely destroyed Nietzsche’s late works and made him into something he was not for her own game. She treated her own brother like a prop, dragging him in his deranged and feeble state before people for entertainment. An utter lowlife.

>>12911597
>all of Nietzsche's writings after 1898 ought to be attributed to Elizabeth

so nothing?

>>12911698
>As a Marxist

>>12911698
>As a Marxist
How to lose all credibility and respect in one easy step

>>12911698
>As a Marxist

>>12911847
>>12911856
>>12911879
/pol/ is that way, children
>>>/pol/

>>12911698
>As a Marxist, I find his entire 'philosophy' utterly repugnant. Just look at this excerpt from TSZ. None of his thinking is remotely in the realm of reality...
>
>Equality is poison? That's just bourgeois apologism. Funny how this phenomenon was already predicted by Marx's historical materialism.
Get a load of this ressentiment.

>>12911698
>That's just bourgeois apologism.
Marxism is the domain of the bourgeois, it comprises their delusions and games. You're basically as wrong as it's possible to be, lel.

>>12911992
Marx was among the bourgeois, but he was not one himself.

>it compromises their delusions and games
Did you mean to say "(((their))) games"?

>>12911987
Why wouldn't one resent his or her masters? Hegelian dialectic shows that it is the master's identity that is contingent on the slave's being. Nietzsche inverts this without even addressing Hegel or his phenomenological method. It's the height of intellectual dishonesty.

>>12912030

you are a slave because you will it to be so.

>>12912038
I am not a slave, I am the liberating non~being that synthesizes.

>>12912038
What are you then, the blonde brute? The Aryan rapist? You embrace such barbarity as the last resort from the Becoming. But your reign is nigh over.

>>12911613
I see you're a man of culture as well.

>>12911597
>Seriously though, all of Nietzsche's writings after 1898 ought to be attributed to Elizabeth
Myth. Elizabeth was very respectful of his brother's writing. This myth was invented so protosoyboys can cope with the fact that despite Nietzsche's seemingly contradictory writings, his final ideas could be actualized only by the national socialist party.
Stop slandering both the man and his sister

>>12911698
Thanks for this delicious new pasta, I'll use it literally every time someone makes a thread on neech

>>12912077
>his final ideas could be actualized only by the national socialist party
Seriously? They lost. So what does that make of his philosophy?

>>12912087
It makes it coherent since will to power isn't will to live? Without risking in life, yoi won't achieve anything.
Wars are won with luck, strategy and tactics, not with ideology. Your idea is like saying dinosaurs weren't terryfing because they died in the end

>>12912077
Let me unpack this further: you claim his sister didn't carry out his philosophical works? Why do you deny basic historical facts? Perhaps you are afraid of your own displacement? Or are you just a mong?

>>12912107
She literally only published them. She didn't alter the content due to the respect she had for her brother.

>>12912030
Idiot
Resentment is not the same as ressentiment

>>12912105
You are right, they aren't, Nazi. The ultimate metaphysical reality is the thing to fear. Or rather, for you to fear.

>>12911597
a woman without a smile is like the butterfly without a penor in their mouth :DDDD

>>12912128
>The ultimate metaphysical reality is the thing to fear
Bugman spotted

>>12912017
>Marx was among the bourgeois, but he was not one himself.

>im a virgin but not an incel

>>12912169
I'm sorry you aren't intelligent enough to see the distinction.

>>12912159
ebin

>>12912119
I'm aware of the "revenge" aspect of the term. Resentment still fits fine, albeit more general.

>>12912030
>>12912030
>Why wouldn't one resent his or her masters?
It's part of why you are mastered, for one.

>>12912030
>dude watch me liberate myself from a value system by investing in it
The levels of irony that this comes from a communist, your type really are hopelessly stupid.

>>12912283
Capitalism isn't a 'value system'
It's a material phenomenon. Read Capital or STFU

>>12911597
looks like young varg with a wig on

>>12912264
Soon to not be sweetheart.
Good luck though ;-)

>>12912288
kind of how you're not a retard but a simpering ape? the distinction isn't terribly meaningful I'm afraid, and is at best a rather poor attempt to mistake obfuscation for refutation

>>12912323
The distinction is meaningful? I don't think you understand metaphysics or ontology in general or that matter. Idealism vs. Materialism isn't a meaningful distinction? Go back to posting frog memes.

>>12912339
>Idealism vs. Materialism isn't a meaningful distinction?
it's beautiful when you make my point for me, you simpering ape

>>12912077
>Elizabeth was very respectful of his brother's writing.
>his
Wait a minute...

>>12912345
Go study, idiot.

>>12912358
It's funny how your response to being called slavish is to double down on your worships. Of course, laughter isn't for your ilk.

memes are the new philosophy, anon

>>12912385
Memes are just propaganda

>>12911698
>as a Marxist

>>12911815
This, also she s the reason his relationship with Lou Salomé was short-lived.

>>12912378
I'll be laughing when we put you away, beast.

>>12912405
Back me up, sunshine. Or are you a liberal now?

>>12911613
That would be hard, how can She sit on your face and still let you lick her feet ?

>>12911597
>all of Nietzsche's writings after 1898
So none?

>>12912425
Wtf? I had no idea about this.

>>12912526
>what is will to power

>>12912339
In fact, the two premises are based on the assumption of representation

>>12912528
Yeah despite the meme that Nee-chan was cucked by Salomé the real reason is that Elizabeth couldn t stand her brother being with a Jewess so she harassed Salomé until she ended the relationship. Quite the cockblocker, that one.

>>12912425
He had proposed her for marriage but she denied him. He also got into in fighting with his friend because of her. The relationship wasnt already going anywhere and his sister's letters were just the final nail of that wreck.
Lou Salomé was also a major bitch full of herself anyway.

>>12911698
>As a Marxist
I've seen literally a shit ton of marxists say they werent for equality and werent egalitarian. You cant achive equality on one side without creating inequality on the other.

>>12911597
>a woman wrote Will to Power
No, she only regrouped the loose works of Nietzche with the help of his friend.
She didnt write anything or gave any ideas. The work was already done and she just put it together a published it to get some cash out of it.

>>12912595
What's your point? Marx and Hegel themselves weren't egalitarians. They only wanted equality in terms of class.

>>12912612
>What's your point?
Im just doubting that he is actually a Marxist.
I dont mean to poke or tackle the marxist boogeyman.
But Nietzsche's point is what i actually explained. Trying to force equality is poison in the sense that it only creates more inquality in other fields and denies "Will to power" for those who have.
This is atleast my interpretation. Now, where to the point things would go with "inequality" and fit is still to be guessed.

>>12911698
a pasta was born

Is Will to Power worth reading? Does it add anything new?

>>12912539
something written before 1898
>what is reading comprehension

>>12912624
Fuck i didnt address the to the correct anon.
>>12912647

>>12911935
>children

>>12912128
mentally retarded post

>>12913148
Sorry, i meant 1889

>>12913321
Yup.
>>12913402
Not an argument.

>>12912612
But that's wrong.

>>12913460
Those are just her says and interpretations of his works since she was a dumb dumb. The Will to Power as been over analised and there is no proto-nazi shit in there.
Nietzsche even shits on nationalism there more than enough.

>>12911698
As a functioning homo sapiens sapiens I find your views redundant.

>>12913410
fair enough

>>12911661
She sounds based as fuck

>>12911698
Legal and political equality is good. Equality of social and economic outcomes is a fool's fantasy. It won't stand the slightest rational scrutiny. And its pursuit IS poison. In fact it is well on the way to killing the marvel that is the Western world.

>>12911698
This is too short to be a pasta. Write some more, faggot.

>>12911698
Thank you for the cringiest post of the day lmao

>>12911935
sweaty...

Marxist anons post was fatuous and banal, but the overwhelming response is cringe.

>>12911698
>as a marxim

>>12915200
>fatuous
so class warfare is somehow a childish concept to you? Where is your sympathy

>>12911661
whoever wrote this sounds jewish

>>12911597

wasn't Elizabeth a turbo brainlet who couldn't even understand what her brother wrote?

>>12911935
and leftypol is on a whole nother chan, go

>>12911613
fpbp

>>12911597
>the fact that women need feminism proves they are weak.

Was there any wincest happening between Neetshe and his sis?

>>12911597

It wouldn't be surprising since NEETzsche is almost as inane as a woman.

>>12911597
Why does this myth persists? They found Nietzsche's draft of The Will To Power a long time ago. Turned out his sister barely edited it.

>>12912725
Please answer this question.

>>12911661
That's just another narrative. It seethes MUH NAZIS emotionality instead of a legitimate account.

>>12911698
Equality is incoherent. It's a bourgeois lie to control you like everything else.

>>12911597
She wrote maybe a few paragraphs which have been eliminated from the text at this point. Everything else was in notebooks of his, in his writing, preserved at the Nietzsche Archive in Weimar.

>>12912077
Yup. The truth of the matter is that the lie was twofold:

1. The Nazis weren't committing the atrocities everyone claimed they were committing.

2. Despite the falling outs that Nietzsche occasionally had with his sister, she didn't desecrate his work to the degree that so many people claim.

Nietzsche's philosophy is only regarded as not being compatible with the Nazis because the version of the Nazis people have is inaccurate, and so is the version of the story of his relationship with his sister. With those two things combined, academics can safely assert the lie that Nietzsche was not a Nazi. What the lie conceals is the fact that Hitler almost perfectly enacted his philosophy, and he wasn't even massacring the Jews — he was just removing them from his people's nation, while killing some of the more rebellious ones, which is a very different thing. The man was practically a saint himself.

>>12920622
Anon, you have been brainwashed. Maybe in a few years time you will look back and cringe at the stuff you are saying now,I am not even going to bother arguing with you because I know it won’t work, I’ll just let time sort you out.

>>12920639
What do you think I've been brainwashed into, exactly?

>>12913501
>o proto-nazi shit in there.
>Nietzsche even shits on nationalism there more than enough.
Always funny to hear this because Nietzsche's gripe with nationalism is that the characteristics people hate about it aren't pronounced enough
>racial caste system
>lust for empire and wealth
>elitism and aristocracy

>>12920655
>What the lie conceals is the fact that Hitler almost perfectly enacted his philosophy, and he wasn't even massacring the Jews — he was just removing them from his people's nation, while killing some of the more rebellious ones, which is a very different thing. The man was practically a saint himself.
Anon, the levels of mental gymnastics you are on is unbelievable. You fell for /pol/‘s memes, but I have a feeling that you aren’t like the other /pol/sters and that there is something of your original self still with you, that is why I have hope for you yet. Only time will tell.

>>12911597
>Isn't it ironic that a woman was the first "superman"?
No.

>>12920670
I don't side with any of the neo-Nazi groups, because they agree with the version of Hitler that the tale we've been given tells and parrot the nonsense they've been fed, so saying I "fell for /pol/'s memes" doesn't add up. Neo-Nazis tend to be despicable people who would actually love to commit genocide. They've only subscribed to the ideology because they're resentful low lives who have nothing to lose and seek vengeance.

Hitler was not genocidal or vengeful; he read Nietzsche and he was putting his philosophy into practice, which expressly believed that the contagion of health was a bigger issue than decadence (quote from Will to Power) — i.e., that it is ignoble to teach people to strive for ideals which did not naturally manifest in them to begin with, and inhumane to show them the attainment of ideals they can't strive for — and that the highest intellects regarded all of nature as perfect and divine (quote from The Antichrist) — i.e., that peoples ought not to be treated equally but in the way that is most fitting to them. That is what German national socialism under Hitler was, or at least would have been: an attempt to create a world where people who looked and felt similarly lived together and the different groups of people that formed from that pursuit worked harmoniously together. The process was a bit uglier than that, unfortunately, and he had to give people a line of shit occasionally to keep them relaxed. But if you read more of Nietzsche and also of Hitler, including his table talks, you'll see better what he had in mind. Some Germans would have probably had to have been removed from the nation staet as well once his plans began to unfold more.

>>12911597
How does that make her the first Superman?

Elizabeth Nietzsche was pathetic, vicariously living through her brother's fame, while not even taking the time to comprehend his ideas. She appropriated his writings for her own selfish reasons, using them to impress her Nazi friends with something she didn't create on her own.
Her "respect" for him was shallow, like that of a narcissistic mother who treats her children as extensions and empowers herself vicariously through their achievements. Because of her selfishness, she didn't understand how irresponsible her actions were towards his legacy.
She sucks and would still suck even if she wasn't a Nazi bitch, that's just the cherry on top.

Nietzsche's philosophy has many fascistoid elements and some affinity with eugenicist views, but he wasn't a national socialist and wouldn't have agreed with them.
The Overman has nothing to do with Hitler's vision. It is supposed to be an overcoming of our understanding of the human condition, like a caterpillar transforming into a butterfly, something entirely new. In contrast, the Nazi vision was rather that of a super-caterpillar on steroids to rule them all. It's still implicitly committed to that which the Overman should overcome.
Nietzsche's philosophy is characterized by longing for new horizons, the unknown and unexplored, much less a striving for some pre-defined perfection, but it's often misinterpreted to be the latter. He is tired of shortcomings and limitations that arise out of self-definitions and chosen formats, seeking to push the boundaries of what is commonly imagined.
His philosophy is individualist and not very compatible with totalitarian projects. Man chooses or creates the values that serve his vitality, which might very well misalign with that of the volk. The Dionysiam ecstasy is that of an individual merging with the whole, but it must happen on his own terms, honoring the will of his individual organism. Nazis, on the other hand, sought to sacrifice the individual for the volk.

>>12920772
>he wasn't a national socialist
See >>12920726 and consider that he was essentially a Bonapartist and then explain how he wasn't. Not in favor of Germany's flavor of it, sure, but across the board?

>>12920805
Hitler wasn't just creating a world where people who looked and felt similarly lived together, he was trying to create a society of "supermen" (read what I wrote about Nietzsche's Overman - it's a posthumanist concept) and he was painting the Aryan race as victims of a cosmic villain - the Jew, which supposedly stood in the way of their greatness. I think Nietzsche would have put a big question mark over this - if they're so great, why haven't they managed to enforce their will yet? Nietzsche looked at results, he didn't like justifications, because they are associated with slave morality (blaming someone else for your lack of success - holding someone else responsible for your fate, which originated with slaves who took commands from without).
Clearly, the Nazis exemplified ressentiment, the spirit of vindictiveness and regret Nietzsche was critical of. Just look at the Nazi propaganda and how they portrayed Germans as victims of WW1. Or their conspiracy theories.

Nietzsche hated the anti-semitic victim-mentality popular among Germans in his time. He was very opinionated about ethnicities and he had his likes/dislikes, but he was also giving due to the strengths of a race, trying to understand how they would adapt in order to survive, an expression of will that he saw in everything. Which he also applied to Jews - his is more of a benevolent anti-semitism which is bereft of the cosmic inflatedness characterizing Hitler's view. He didn't have such a black/white perspective on jews. He wasn't quite fond of Germans. His philosophy has a strong current opposing totalitarianism. Please tell me, why should Nietzsche BE a national socialist?