/lit/ - Literature

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>>12626651
Shitposting is the new paradigm. Deleuze was French or, to put it in other words, a frog. Coincidence? I don't think so!

>>12626819

I don't agree with everything he says but in that essay it is chilling in how prescient he is. And this was before social or the patriot act were even thought about. It is also proof that Deleuze never left the Marxist tradition , as he saw this new neo-liberal regime of power (on which Foucault was completely ambiguous about his sympathies for it) as a complete illusion. This freedom that we have today is a giant panoptikon on another level of control. Burroughs here is also so prescient, its all about control as a perversion, the peeping tom par excellance , that is what we have to live with.

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>>12626651
>So I was reading
Stopped right there. Fuck off back to >reddit

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hmm.. interesting. Anyone have any info on Gilbert Simondon's influence here? I like it but I wish it was more focused on the life of society. it's too technocentric. It's kind of ironic because it's analogical ground in techne, as opposed to living, is itself a product of the control society. I get that the analogy could be for categorical purposes. I'm not sure about what was said about technocentrism, now that I think about it. Maybe I was trying to say; It's focused on actuality, and not the living reality of people living controll'd.

This was the most retarded essay I have read in over a year. I did not agree with a single thought.

>>12627525
why

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The shift from the disciplinary Foucaultian paradigm of focal point of surveillance to the Deleuzian diffuse matrix system of information gathering algorithms implies the normalization of control, as modern technological bureaucracy permits the dispersion of corporation of institutions. In the Schengen space, one is obligated to have his national ID with him, even if not crossing the border. This implies that interconnectivity is normalized and the dangers of 'freedom under a fortress of Europe' was at least an enemy system of, while under the matrix of diffused information and control, it thus is heavier to not adapt to the norms imposed by the area

>what are our weapons
shitposting and memes

Big D looks like such a chad in that image

>>12626651
How was discipline itself not a form of control previously?

One can take the disciplinary way of life and simply look at it as a less extreme form of control? I.e. the same mindset but limited by the technology of the time?

Unless this is semantics and Foucault is saying that discipline is the less extreme form of control?

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Good essay, anyone care to discuss?

>"But everyone knows that these institutions are finished, whatever the length of their expiration periods. It’s only a matter of administering their last rites and of keeping people employed until the installation of the new forces knocking at the door."

Do you guys think this is still in the process of happening, or is this something that is already instituted?

>"...the factory was a body that contained its internal forces at a level of equilibrium, the highest possible in terms of production, the lowest possible in terms of wages"

>"The disciplinary societies have two poles: the signature that designates the individual, and the number or administrative numeration that indicates his or her position within a mass. This is because the disciplines never saw any incompatibility between these two, and because at the same time power individualizes and masses together, that is, constitutes those over whom it exercises power into a body and molds the individuality of each member of that body. (Foucault saw the origin of this double charge in the pastoral power of the priest—the flock and each of its animals—but civil power moves in turn and by other means to make itself lay “priest.”)"

These two went over my head

"The operation of markets is now the instrument of social control and forms the impudent breed of our masters."

Anyone mind elaborating on this one?

I suppose I get the general gist, but haven't employees always entered continuous training and, when content opted out of upwards movement? It just seems that we are integrating crafts and skills into professions nowadays rather than generalizable skills. In a way, we are becoming more specialized, which makes sense given our focus on efficiency.

I'm not arguing that this isn't control though.

>>12628228
>In a way, we are becoming more specialized
and becoming cogs in a machine.

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>>12628677
Yes, the machine of _______?

Capitalism?

>>12628228
I've realized...
>"But everyone knows that these institutions are finished, whatever the length of their expiration periods. It’s only a matter of administering their last rites and of keeping people employed until the installation of the new forces knocking at the door."

This is big tech, and the new way of control is through Blockchain. Blockchain is going to be ushered in through the exposure of convenience through Big Tech. Thus would be the final transition into the controlled society.

>>12628845
Bingo

>>12626819
honestly kind of this. the state apparatus is entirely helpless to curb exponentially-ironic meme culture. the tenured boomers in the US government have time and time again failed to grasp this kind of intellectual weaponry, they're too stuck in the mud and reliant on their old tools - ie the eternal scapegoat (russians, iranians, terrorists, etc). this anachronistic us vs them mentality simply doesn't work on the meme nomad, shitposting is the ultimate weapon of deterritorialization. and god help us once the boomers finally die out and the state is staffed by these cynical bastards. it will be a self-destruction so beautiful and so fated that one could argue its holiness

>>12630126
Can someone explain to me how Blockchain isn't supremely Landian?

If Capital is >>12629629? Is it not so that Capital is moving in the direction of independence?

>>12630163
Based

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