/lit/ - Literature

The ending of Kingdom of Ash is intense. Sarah has really improved as a writer since her start.

>>12612727
do you have the file for those 3? pls upload

There aren't enough war based fantasy that actually focus on the aspects of warfare.

>>12613381
That's because it's pretty fucking boring to read about after about one book.

See the Red Knight series, that Django Wexler one or Monarchies of God/Hawkwood and The Kings for examples of how it gets dull quickly.

>>12613259
saga of recluce bitch

>>12613284
are there any good books about crusaders? could be fantasy, could be rollicking historical fiction... ! cheers !

>>12613486
I hope there isn't. No need to celebrate the vileness of white violence.

>>12613501
>vileness of white violence
I know that you are trolling but anyway...
I'm not celebrating anything, I enjoy the aesthetics and such, just in the same way somebody might enjoy the aesthetics of fascism or communism. It does not tell you anything about my values or my moral integrity. Secondly, I think there is certain romanticism associated with people who think of themselves as warriors of God, fighting for the righteous cause, which is not necessarily captured in other works of art/genres etc.Thirdly, crusade has nothing to do with being white etc. There is a plenty of examples of non-white non-christian crusades, they just go under a different name...

>>12613486
Just play Crusader Kings 2.

You virgin barbarians are missing out

>>12613590
read the reminder you fucking illiterate moron

>>12613696
*brap*

name better worldbuilding in fiction, I'll wait

>>12613750
Dune

>>12613486
Children of the Light in Wheel of Time.
They spend the entire book getting cucked - and a fury and some bogwog sandman single handedly kill about 20 of them. So they're thoroughly uncool.

Why aren't there more orc love interests? It's practically non existent.

>>12613778
wild wastes is the obvious choice. however i distinctly remember a orc love interest in one of the warcraft books. dont know which one they arent very good and only really interesting if you like warcraft lore.

>>12613778
Because most people aren't into disgusting freaks.
The real question is why aren't there more Dwarf love interests?

>>12613896
dangerously close to loli you disgusting freak
now demon gfs?

>>12613896
Dwarven women aren't generally considered attractive. Even less so that orc women.

>>12613896
because female dwarves have almost as much hair in their face as male dwarves.
goblins its where its at if you want shortstacks.

>>12613926
>because female dwarves have almost as much hair in their face as male dwarves.
Gives me something to hang on to

Hairy Dwarf women are just as circumstantial as attractive Orc women. Depends on who is writing them. Who says there can't be a series with some sexy shortstacks running around?

green > boring old pink
it's that simple lads

>>12613778
The attitudes of the writers mostly - this is me pulling something out of my ass, but I feel like we haven't quite disconnected from the standard image of orcs as only monsters enough yet to see this. Give it a few more years and I think you'll start to see it.

>>12613896
Probably for the same reason I said up there, but replace monster with just "dwarf".

Are LitRPGs still popular? Can I make a quick buck if I shit one out?

Favorite magic system is probably Bakker's tbqh. Any good fantasy series where mages are essentially living nukes that completely dominate wars? Black company comes to mind and I enjoyed it so what are some others.

>>12614388
Going by how many I see on KU then yes.

>litrpg
>player falls in love with npc

>>12613486
Prince of Nothing.

>>12613284
I just started reading Brent Weeks Night Angel for the first time. I think I hate lucid. Magic seems to be about tossing around messy marmelade? Sticky and multicoloured. Does it get any better?

>>12614456
*luxin

>>12613486
Rightist bait poster

>>12613284
Magic is both means and process, it is the means by which a thing occurs and a process is undergone. To say that something appears by magic is to convince you I am the knower, and the process by which I do magic gives you the evidence for cause and effect. I enjoy the Rasputin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYg very good

>>12614460
night angel doesnt use luxin, thats his other series. Night angel has some pretty based magic iirc and I enjoyed it despite it being incredibly edgy.

What are your favorite sci-fi books about diseases/plagues/viruses?

>>12614587
Blood Music

>>12614535
Ah Right. Yes got mixed up because I immediately stopped reading Night Bringer because of the magic marmelade. Drafting. It’s like multicoloured disco fog? I’ve just finished Oathbringer and I’m looking for a new series to read. Malazan I’ll never read because it seems to be short stories mashed into a book. Gene Wolfe maybe. I get the feeling that Weeks as a writer is absolute horse shit or very YA.

>>12614587
Seconding Blood Music
Oryx and Crake was also pretty good

>>12614598
youre right about weeks although i still enjoy his books. Did you like sanderson?

>>12614650
Kaladin, Dalinar and world grew on me. Id say yes. The interludes were pretty bad.

>>12613896
Forgotten Realms have a few novels where the love interest are halflings and/or Dwarfs

>>12613439
>saga of recluce bitch
>1995
Yeah. I need something more modern with better recent technology.

>>12612807
Absolutely Based and redpilled

how much do y'all like the dresden files?

>>12614896
Not even Jim Butcher likes the Dresden Files

>>12613317
fuck I was going to call my novel Kingdom of Ash, what now anon

if I change it to Kingdom of Ashes, is there still a chance I may be sued?

>>12614598
>liked Oathbringer
>didn't complain
>has a problem with Brent Weeks
Fuck off.

How is it?

>>12615092
>Tracker is known far and wide for his skills as a hunter - and he always works alone. But when he is engaged to find a child who disappeared three years ago, he must break his own rules.
I dunno man, seems dicey.

You nerds read The Laundry Files series?

>>12615092
I saw the list of like 30 character names at the start and decided I was too tired to read it. I'll read some tonight and see what it's like

>>12615102
I didn't mind the first book but I still haven't finished the Milton Keynes story at the end. Did like the unicorn short story he wrote a couple of years ago tho

Trouble is it kinda felt like a letdown coming in from Merchant Princes which is very good

>>12615082
I didn’t say it was perfect. Just that Weeks has some off-putting things right at the start of his books. Or how he introduces a character by directly telling me that he’s the most powerful man on the planet with his multicoloured glowing fingers

>>12615037
just because peace talks is taking so or do you have another reason?

>Mountains of Dhoom

>>12613211
Well what new books that are coming out have YOU earmarked?

>>12614411
>Black company
What? they weren't, every wizard that wasn't a taken was practically useless.

>>12615337
>SCP
Absolutely disgusting.

Any litrpg fans out there have earth tactics advance 2 to share? I really enjoyed book 1 but I can't find the second.

>>12615067
Call it Kingdom of Ass and aim for the GRI audience

>>12615460
> GRI audience
So 3 people on /sffg/

>>12615115
>rape and other bad things in my fantasy books makes me uncomfortable
Yea. Sanderson is definitely for you.

>>12615163
>Mountains of Dhoom

>>12615267
I enjoyed a lot of what you got, but liking Star Wars, then saying the reason you liked it was because of characters that are no longer there, just shows you have shit tastes.

>>12615375
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FDMTBMH?ref_=dbs_mng_calw_1&storeType=ebooks

>>12615695
"to share"

>>12615375
you know its on royalroad right?

>>12615701
I did not

>>12615364
But the Taken were. So yeah he is right they were practically living nukes.

>>12615707
book 2 ends where the story ends.
scottie futch has a tendency to write a story than drop it and write another just to come back months later and add like 3 chapters only to fuck off to another story.

I got a bunch of shit self pubed books lined up to read and enjoy, and there is nothing sffg can do about it.

>>12615639
I see you can’t read. Lol. Your assumptions are entirely incorrect

`It seems me making memes about him stopped him from posting about cloacae.

>>12615731
>>12615115
>Just that Weeks has some off-putting things right at the start of his books.
>rape and child abuse at the start
>lol you can't read, I like Sanderson for other reasons other than him hugboxing me from the "off-putting" things

>>12615715
Thanks, I just converted it to epub with an extension. Any other good reads on royalroad?

oh fuck you guys, its happening! i just wrote 1500 words in one sitting and I'm finally 100% happy with my plot

after three years, its finally happening

>>12615779
redwood trilogy
everybody loves large chests
the blue mage raised by dragons
atros imperium
supervillain
threadbare
crystal shards
savage divinity
the wandering inn
the legion of nothing
the iron teeth
the godkings legacy

>>12615859
Thanks fàm

What do you /sffg/ots think of Three Body Problem? I just finished reading it, I loved it. Crisp, austere writing style that kept up the pace and allowed the focus to be on the ideas presented, which is what I enjoy in my sci fi

>>12614795
God this just reminds me of how much I want to pound my little sister into submission

>Reaper's Gale
>both most likeable characters back in the same book
>can't decide who I enjoy more between Trull "parries Icarium" Sengar or Bugg/Mael.

>>12615859
How many of those have audiobooks?
I read
>everybody loves large chests
>the blue mage raised by dragons
>the godkings legacy
and will read
>threadbare
Soon. I would like to know if the rest got the audiobook treatment. The names sound interesting.

>>12614598
>because it seems to be short stories mashed into a book
>retarded opinion

also you
>I like Oathbringer which is literally written as a trilogy with interludes set as two short stories in addition
may as well become an antiquer because nobody has touched your junk in years, faggot

>>12615852
That's nice

>>12616191
What is your major malfunction, fuckface? Everything I said was at least understandable, or a commonly expressed opinion.

How would you guys feel about a cyberpunk story where the story unfolds through the main character being interviewed? Maybe some side characters interviewed too to fill in any gaps in the story. It's just an idea I had

>>12616175
the ones you mentioned are the only ones that actually have audiobooks. though i hear savage divinity will get novelized with a proper editor. audiobooks will probably follow.

Make more birdboi memes.

>Sanderson has better ideas than he can write
>Jordan wrote better than ideas he had
>herbert had better ideas than he could write
>Tolkien wrote as good as his ideas
>moorcock wrote as good as his ideas
>sapkowski writes as good as his ideas
>goodkind writes as bad as his ideas are

>>12616436
It's been done a bunch (not in cyberpunk to my knowledge) but it's a solid gimmick, especially if you play around with it instead of just having it as a framing device

>>12616436
Unless theres a twist at the end (the main character is giving their interview from jail or something) the audience will assume they were successful before the ending. Otherwise sounds interesting. Read world war z if you javent already to see how its done right

>have this brilliant story and setting in my head with amazing characters
>realize it's the close to the same plot as a movie I haven't even seen

>>12616644
>>12616687
Ok thanks for the tips.

>>12616637
>Tolkien wrote as good as his ideas

Lmao no

Worst writer ever, great ideas though

>>12616782
>>12616782
>author of one of the most read book in history is the worst writer

also
>redditspacing

>>12616824
>having the most readers makes you the best

I bet you think Rihanna is one of the best musicians ever then? Transformers and Avatar the best movies?

>>12616833
i didnt say he was the best, you said he's the
>worst writer ever
fucking retard

>>12616824
lets be honest, most famous works are garbage. Joyce is a pretentious fart fetishist who believed a description of a a stretch of wall could qualify as literature if you used enough big words to describe it

>>12616883
I want to write a book where the ending pairings are two girls and then two girls and a guy

how seething would people be assuming they read this

>>12616883
If joyce was a braphog enthusiast he would be even more talked about than he already is. he would undeniably be lit's /ourguy/

>>12615974
I liked it

gonna read the rest of the series later this month

Do you think Sword and Sorcery style stuff will ever make a resurgence? Or will any serious attempts be written of as "toxic masculinity" or whatever other buzzwords are thrown around these days?

>>12616731

>>12615993
Man of Culture

>>12617101
That market segment is LitRPG now

>>12617101
I don't think Sword and sorcery will ever come back,that's not a bad thing,we still have hundreds of old S&S with thicc bitches

Would you read a story inspired by pulp adventure fiction about an expedition that lands on a mysterious island of amazons and monsters akin to One Million Years BC, The Lost World, and The Land That Time Forgot?

Basically, the expedition is sorely under prepared for surviving the island(we have guns and professionals from many technical and scientific fields, the world is ours!) where everything seems to be beyond anything they've experienced or read about. Plants and animals defy laws of evolution and development, the women are more physically imposing than the men, the terrain is harsh and nonsensical, and they're pretty sure there's paranormal shit afoot, with magic and spirits and inexplicable happenings.

Now they must survive and ingratiate themselves with the towering natives(seven foot tall warrior women are not to be trifled with, especially when you have limited ammo and they have homefield advantage), while trying to repair their ship so they can get the fuck out of there.

Or does this sound boring? I just feel like we havent had a "let's explore a lost world" kind of story in ages.

>>12617443
I'd read a story about watching paint dry if the writing is good enough.

>>12616915
>he doesn’t know

“You had an arse full of farts that night, darling, and I fucked them out of you, big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little merry cracks and a lot of tiny little naughty farties ending in a long gush from your hole. It is wonderful to fuck a farting woman when every fuck drives one out of her. I think I would know Nora’s fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers out in a roomful of farting women. It is a rather girlish noise not like the wet windy fart which I imagine fat wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty like what a bold girl would let off in fun in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also.”

Bros, I'll be straight with you.

The Name of the Wind and The Wise Man's Fear are good books. By now I've read them countless of times. In fact, I have them ready on my desktop and just read through some of my favorite chapters every day, as a sort of wind-down from work and such.

>>12617473
>The Name of the Wind and The Wise Man's Fear are good books
In your opinion. I still think that Kingkiller Chronicle is one of the most garbage pieces of literature that I got meme'd into reading. Literally the only positive I can give it is some of the worldbuilding. Everything else is just awful.

I feel like I'm actually going mad. I read this book as a kid and I remember very little of it but I'm dying to know what it was. Definitely fantasy.

I think it was set in a mine? There was something to do with a hot air balloon. There was a girl there who never wore any clothes because her skin was so sensitive but they have to take her somewhere so they make her clothes out of spider silk and I think they open some sort of portal at the end?

I know that seems like the ravings of a mad man but hopefully someone has read this book haha.

The Name Of The Wind was alright if I'm to be honest. A solid 6, maybe 7 out of 10. The Wise Man's Fear on the other hand was such an absolute disappointment, at most a 4/10. One of the worst sequels I've ever had the displeasure of reading, possibly only beaten out by Tower Lord, that was actually a legitimate 1/10 book. I literally only even remember ever reading that series because of how awful the sequel was.

>>12617485
The entire series is worldbuilding. Once you understand this, it all becomes enjoyable

>>12617503
I think it's geomancer, well of echoes. Finally found something on Google

People here just hate popular books for the hipster brownie points

>>12615102
After the first few books it gets mired down in a marriage falling apart and Stross's leftard politics keep seeping through.

>>12613486
>are there any good books about crusaders?
"The Sword and the Scimitar" (previously also called "Ironfire" by another publisher) by David Ball. A great historical novel about the Siege of Malta and the sea battles on the Mediterranean against the Muslims. It is really good, one of my favourite books.

What do people like for Age of Sail adventures? Can be anything from pure history to dragons and wizards at sea.

>>12617627
>>12617503
Yeah geomancer. And the book is shit.

>>12617695
No. A lot of people here just read more than the 10 books you keep recycling on a regular basis.

Three followers on royal road leaves a cozy feeling for a start

>>12617816
More sea and ship stuff. These things tend to dissapoint. Making huge time skips.

>>12616731
keep at it anon. I struggled for three years with a story that was variously to similar to homestuck, the wizard of oz, and a bunch of other shit before finally figuring out the perfect plot a few nights ago

you just have to keep trying, no matter how much it hurts

>>12615370
honestly, scp comes up with some good stuff every now and then. The thing to understand is it's not a fiction platform, it's a ideas without the context of a story around them. it's a catalogue of weird fiction ideas, body horror and eldritch entities

Epub (that I have not tried myself): https://www37.zippyshare.com/v/t2MYTzfk/file.html

>>12617906

>>12613284
>How do you like your magic anon, hard and well defined or soft and mysterious?
Mysterious and magical. Without thinking to much about it I'd say Mists of Avalon have my favourite magic system. I generally like the idea that the world change depending on the beliefs of it's inhabitants as it means that magic is forced to be a part of the story and not just a plot point slapped on the book so it can be labeled fantasy.

>>12617990
what does this mean

>>12618026
We're denying entry to outerlit fags coming in here for advice and their feelings get hurt.

>>12617748
>siege of Malta
>fuck up against 2000 knights and townsfolk
>6 years later Lepanto happens
>start decaying and collapsing immediately after

>>12617957
>honestly, scp comes up with some good stuff every now and then. The thing to understand is it's not a fiction platform, it's a ideas without the context of a story around them. it's a catalogue of weird fiction ideas, body horror and eldritch entities

It was until the far-left took it over.

>>12618101
You don't read much do you?

>>12613284
Are any of the Star Wars books worth reading?

>>12618155
No, go away

>>12618155
Yes, everything by Timothy Zahn.

So did Robert Jordan think women are superior to men or something?

>>12618365
He was a fetishist.

>>12617842
I just saw all the bad reviews and slatings it's got haha. I read it once as a kid and enjoyed it so I'm gonna give it a go but my expectations are so low

>>12618237
Zahn's a solid b-lister who people who read for fun should read more of.

>>12617289
This.

>>12615337
I really like SCP. One of the most fun things in the internet for me.
Do you know of any books that are like the Cool War tale?

>>12617101
I kinda wish so. I need my macho men fighting overpowered wizards.
>>12617289
Probably, which sucks. Too hard magic

>>12617101
Probably, It hasn't been long enough since the last resurgence to properly judge though, you could also very easily make the argument it never really died in comparison to *punk.

Any fantasy writers out there actually focusing on style to tell their story ? I just get tired of pointless, endless bland descriptions after some point.

>>12618592
Jack Vance

>>12618596
Ah yeah, still haven't gotten around reading that one. Will give it a go. Should I start with Lyonesse?

>>12618602
If you want pure stylism go with The Dying Earth.

>>12618592
Dying Earth, Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell and Tigana.

>>12618631
Thanks, I've read the other two and did enjoy them. Will try Dying Earth next!

>>12618635
GGK and Vance are your classic pretty proses
Clarke likes to mimic 1800s style prose.

From scifi, Stand on Zanzibar has a fascinating fragmented approach and the Nova Trilogy by Burroughs and Naked lunch have a fascinating Cut up style.

>>12618592
Colleen McCullough

>>12618434
Was his fetish not finishing his series?

>>12618155
Negative

>>12615859
>everybody loves large chests
>the blue mage raised by dragons
These were really good. Didn't know they started as fanfiction pieces.

Can you tell me about these? The names sound super interesting.
>atros imperium
>supervillain
>savage divinity
>the wandering inn
The wandering inn name sounds like that Russian witch fairy tale that lives in a house on chicken legs.

I believe BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish. My reason for believing this is because I have a foot fetish so I pick up on things most humans do not. Take for instance the ever shitty House of Cards. Now, I do not like this show (House of Cards) but I did sit through 4 seasons of that crap hoping it would get better, and in that time I noticed numerous examples of blatant foot fan service. It is a good fetish to pander to because it occupies a gray area due to the lack of nudity, which is why its perfect for a guy like BRANDON SANDERSON. Reading Mistborn, I can't help but notice how many times we are reminded of Vin's cute bare footedness. She's barefoot on the roof, toes clutching the edge. She's barefoot on cobblestone, only to walk on marble. Vin walked to his bed BAREFOOT, making no sound. Of course the obvious explanation (for the mundane majority of men) is that Vin is a Mistborn -- a thief -- and strives to remain quiet. She has to make lots of sacrifices due to the magneto magic of BRANDON SANDERSON'S world, such as never wearing toe rings or anklets (unless they are wooden or something) but I do not believe this is the sole reason for the foot prose on display in these books. The author (BRANDON SANDERSON) has fueled my spirit with his depiction of Vin. I have a hard time getting through the pages when I keep seeing examples of her beautiful foot-based dexterity, yet its these very passages that push me further on. I see visions of Vin toying with Elend, giving her man a royal footjob that any king would crave with her expertly trained toes. I think about Vin embarrassed, painting her toe nails to match her dress while Zane watches from the window. I think about her wearing glass slippers to show off her new feminine toes at the balls! Oh what a sight to behold! I am not even on the third book so I can't begin to imagine how much footy goodness is still to come. Anyway, these are my reasons for suspecting BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish.

>>12618848
He finished your mom though

>>12619654
No he didn't she told me.

Is there an Infinite Jest equivalent for fantasy and sci-fi?

Does Robin Hobbs books get good? I'm so annoyed at Royal Assassin right now, absolutely nothing is happening, nobody is doing anything at all. A load of fucking inaction. What a terribly frustrating book.

>>12618365
I don't know how anyone manages to come to this conclusion reading WoT without being legitimately retarded, for your sake I hope you got it from a reddit shitpost.

>>12620101
>the red ajah existing is good
>every queen is just and diligent and brave
>every king is a fuckwit
>rand gets slapped around by cadsuane
>perrin gets slapped around by his wife
>asha'man bonding aes sedai is bad
>aes sedai bonding Asha'man is good
>seanchan haven't had a male ruler in 1000 years because men are too dumb lol
>Elayne hires a troop of all female guards
>they're just as good as the men silly!
>Misogynists always get obliterated
>misandrists are just fine
Was Wheel of Time your only friend in highschool?

I know a lot of anons here are aspiring writers, but how many of you have actually published anything?

>>12620085
there's a lot of brooding in her books, especially the fitz ones. he sets out on an adventure in the next book if that helps

>>12620176
Does he actually grow up?

>>12620184
he's 35ish in his second series and 50ish in his third series
the entire series is chronological so liveship traders plays between fitz 1 and 2 and rainwild chronicles between fitz 2 and 3. does he grow up mentally? I suppose but he'll never get over his brooding

Youre a mage, you can manipulate heat and light however you like with an "energy bank" of like 200k calories before you need to chill. What's the most destructive way of using it?

>>12620202
I fucking hate his brooding. Is liveship traders any good?

>>12620235
use highly concentrated light to form micrscopic lasers that penetrate a persons skin and boil their blood directly. eventually they will violently explode.
alternatively burn away a womens period blood so the excuse of its that time of the month doesn't apply anymore.
rapists gotta be refined.

>>12620235
Pre modern setting: light bank ledgers on fire with my mind.
Modern setting: melt fiber optic cables with my mind.

>>12620248
Boiling water takes a lot of energy and isn't very destructive

>>12620274

>>12620139
Nope, just now somewhere in book 8, so I'm not gonna read all your points for spoilers, every single red ajah so far has been portrayed as a villain though. I'm pretty sure the way the magic system works, Rand and some others having harems and almost every single female character who is dominant getting submissive when there's a dick she admires is involved is enough, there's plenty of individual examples but it's more just the tone of the series and some really obvious metaphors. Which is pretty cool as far as I'm concerned, I hate femdom that has submissive males, unless the series does a total 180 I'm just gonna continue to assume you're retarded. Sure there's a lot of back and forward which is what makes it interesting, if you want maledom 100% of the time stick to Gor or litrpg that you're probably into.

>>12620235
I'm not a physicist, but I imagine if you just make a one nansecond brap of heat/electricity/light or any combination, in a square centimeter, using 200k calories, something funky would probably happen?

>>12620235
Ruining pilot's night vision

>>12620318
It's enough energy to heat roughly 2 litres of ice to boiling point. So at the macro scale it's not very much.

>>12620366
Depends. If you disperse it on two liters of space, sure. If you disperse it over a square centimeter using all the energy in a nanosecond? You at least get some plasma going.
It's like how a mobile battery has more energy than a handgrenade, space, duration, material interactions, those matter a lot.

>>12620235
Get a mirror and focus all 200k calories of magic into it and blind some twat with it

>>12620431
That's why I said at the macro scale. Reducing the volume parameter would produce a tiny amount of plasma, so small you wouldn't even notice anything. Releasing that much energy over a short instance however could have a very noticeable explosive effect.

>>12613988
WOOF

>reading through a book with some light romance here and there
>don't really care about romance so I don't mind too much
>then some dumb love triangle that's long and drawn out gets shoved in into the story
That's an automatic drop for me lads. There is not such thing as a well written love triangle and authors need to stop using it as a cheap of of adding relationship drama.

>>12620235
This matches perfectly.

>>12620294
Oh fuck sake when will wot fags fuck off.

Why is Bugg such a wish fulfillment character, not that I mind
>Bugg releasing himself and fucking everybody's shit up FUCKING WHEN

>>12620085
The ending of the trilogy is one of the shittiest I have ever read too. It felt like the books had originally been planned as a quadrilogy and fifty pages before the end of the third book her agent told her "sorry the fourth one had been cancelled by the publisher, you gotta wrap it all up in this one."

>>12618155
The thrawn trilogy
Han Solo adventures if you want some lighter reads and pre ESB books
Splinter of the minds eye is really good. Was the backup sequel if IV failed and they had to do a low budget sequel
Have heard that the 1st new jedi order book is good but I have not read it

>>12620649
Because he’s a literal god

>>12620622
Copypasta spamming spergs who don't read first.

>>12620139
>the red ajah existing is good
I mean the Aes Sedai fuck everything up and get carried by Rand and Nynaeve so I wouldn't regard their opinions too highly.
>rand gets slapped around by cadsuane
And Rand tells her to fuck off or die.
>Elayne hires a troop of all female guards
She also has negative IQ, kills off almost everyone useful with her stupidity, gets captured and then repeats the process several times.
>every king is a fuckwit
The borderland kings weren't. I wouldn't say Pedron Niall was stupid either.
>asha'man bonding aes sedai is bad
Aes Sedai opinion
>aes sedai bonding Asha'man is good
Aes Sedai opinion

I do get where you're coming from, the main characters are basedboys for most/all of the series and the Aes Sedai worship the ground they walk upon and except everyone else to do the same. But you really shouldn't take people who consistently fuck everything up seriously.

>>12620294
Can we get wot fags banned for spamming?
They post the same shit every fucking thread jesus fucking christ mother fucker.

>>12620813
Oh I see what you did there, post literal copypasta spam bait then complain about people who are biting being the ones doing it, ha ha, truly inspired shitposting there, now can you kindly fuck off and kill yourself?

>>12618592
like they said, jack vance and gene wolfe. also dan simmon's hyperion

Why is every fantasy book the same

>>12620871
because everyone seems to think they can do the "a poor guy in a cool and unique world finally gets his chance when someone close to him dies and he finds the cool relic to defeat the opposing "bad" guy's lower henchman with probably a cool sword and minimal training" better than anyone else. it'll also have to be a trilogy or series where they go to some sand place and do boring shit for a book or two.

>>12620871
Wanderers and Islanders.
Have fun being confused.

>>12620854
This is the first time I'm responding to you fuck face. I'm just fed up of you cunts crying and defending this garbage, only to return when you are finished with the books to cry. It should be seen as spam.

>put this on my phone to listen today while i'm working on my house
>6 hours in
it's good but impossible to fully conceptualize with the audio. i keep getting lost as soon as i stop devoting 100% of my attention to it. i'll have to pick up the text and reread it later this week. the world seems impossibly deep.

>>12620958
I'm half way into 8 and people say 7 and 8 are the worst, and I like them as well, so I don't see that being likely to happen. Only thing that really takes a bit of a nose dive is the pacing but I've seen way worse, the amount of characters makes it seem more bloated. But the characters are what I really like about it so I don't care that much, even the Perrin chapters have been fine so far.

what is this "winter boyfriend" stuff Ptrick Rothfuss keeps posting on twitter? like wtf

Can someone recommend me some fantasy books with magician as the main character with a single or few povs?

>>12621019
Harry Potter

>>12621019
Magician

>>12620988
I don't give a fuck.

>>12620970
Brainlet. I "read" the entire series by audiobook.

>>12621019
Dresden Files
Daniel Black
Jonathan strange and Mr norrell

>>12621076
was it good? I'm enjoying the first book, but hoping his writing becomes a bit more manageable in the future books.

>>12621026
>>12621068
>>12621086
Ive read HP and Magician, is Dresden Files any good? got mixed opinions on that one

>>12621093
It took me close to the end of the book for what I read to start make sense. It was the first book I read where the author didn't hand hold you, and you found shit out like you would irl. By observing and paying attention.

I put the series on pause a few books later because I was swallowing them too close together, and was getting fried neurons. Came back to the series a few months later and just read them one after the other till book 10 (I would occasionally read a different series in between books). If I wasn't a completionist (then, I drop books and series now) I don't know if I would have done it. I see it as an accomplishment to finish because it exposes you to a wider range of writing styles, and allows you to make more educated guesses when it comes to finding books to read. You can't be well read if you haven't sampled a bit of everything.
I'm sure with the exception of like less than 5 persons, I read more books than sffg combined

>>12621163
There is only one way to find out. Read a book and see if you should continue.
It's usually how I know an author is shit. I finish the entire first or first and second book, then make my decision.

>>12621188
whats wrong with lotr and got

What is /ssfg/'s nu-male chart?

>>12617443
With all due respect dude, it sounds too much like Cameron's Avatar.

>>12620294
>barely read over half the series
>makes conclusions on it
>tells people who've finished it that the conclusion they have drawn are wrong
Well done schizo

>>12621271 (you)
a picture of (you)

>>12620235
Take out the left anterior descending artery of the heart or the central retina artery.

Do these suck? Are they good? I really like the games and wad wondering.

>>12620101
I seen a Robert Jordan post or blog in which he said that women are better than men at everything that doesn't need physical labour.

is it okay to have a coeurl as a minor villain in a story I intend to publish?

>>12621255
>got
It's incomplete and will stay that way, and I'm trying to steer new readers away from this living hell.

>lotr
Utter boring shit. It's dated as fuck. If you like how dusty tomes were decades ago, then power to you. It was a slog for me. Loved the hobbit though. Would recommend that.

>>12621271
Any book published in the last 18 years

>>12621434
It's entry level fantasy

>>12621188
There is nothing wrong with Conan and you know it, fucking troll.

>>12621188
Thank you Reddit,Very Cool!

>>12621635
>if you don't like what I like you must be a troll

>>12621642
Well seeing as I've never went to reddshite, you, as a redshitor, and being knowledgeable with the ins and outs of that place, will have to tell me the kind of shenanigans they get up to over there.

>>12620026
Infinite Jest is alternate history sci-fi.

>>12618155
Yes if you don't mind bottom of the barrel writing. They're like fast food because I love food analogies.

>Thrawn trilogy: The quintessential sequel trilogy that maintains the movie vibe the most
>Darth Bane trilogy: If you want to know the origin of the modern Sith order and their plan that comes to fruition in the prequel trilogy with Palps and Anakin
>X-wing books: Pulpy military books with the X-wing pilots instead of the main movie cast
>Dark Lord the rise of Darth Vader: Focuses on Vader and a group of Jedi right after EP3
>Darth Plagueis
>Han Solo trilogy by AC Crispin: Han's origin, first one is a bit weird, but the second is a lot of fun with Han and Chewie doing jobs for the Hutts and such

I only listed EU books because fuck the Disney canon.

>>12621746
>>if you don't like what I like you must be a troll
You made a pic that says "SFFG list of books to avoid". Dont pretend like you are talking for all of us. There was never a poll.

>>12621846
Make your own chart whiner. I think his taste is horrible, but at least he tried.

>>12621846
You just show you are not from here. Polls don't mean shit. In he decade I've been here, and the literal 100s of threads I've read I've never answered a poll.

>>12621558
That's the thing I don't understand about Tolkien, why was the hobbit book so good but LOTR was utter shit

>>12621846
This anon is a known autist who made that chart years back. I shit on that anon then, once.

>>12622280
>once
Why? What happened after?

>>12622280
Come on anon. The only autist in these threads were birdboi and low iq anon, maybe a few others, never me.

>>12621846
He's as retarded as the guy with the Amazon chart. Stop responding and enabling idiotic underage newfag behavior.

>>12622436
Is this real? Do I have Autism? I remember getting tested for ADHD when I was a kid, and they said I was fine.

>>12621846
80% of those books were provided to me from here. So obviously I would put them as sffg books. What you want me to use?

>Daniel Black series
>literally a western version of a generic harem and kingdom building isekai with nothing but sluts instead of pure maidens
It feels like the author wants to go full cuckold sometimes but I still found myself quite immersed and entertained.

>>12613259
>Why aren't there more fantasy books focused on building like the Daniel Black books?
Good question. Even the Japanese web novels it's inspired by usually restrict themselves to recreating baths and weaponry while they let others build the bigger structures. In my experience, most western books just don't have magic that's powerful or abundant enough to actually do large-scale construction. Only cheat characters like Daniel or Vandalieu in Death Mage have the sort of mana capacity while still being in a situation that's precarious enough to require fortifications. Non-wizards and people who are on a quest usually don't have the luxury to casually build fortresses.

Personally, I hope that Daniel Black expands to high-tech magitek, other world/space exploration and terraforming. Same goes for Wild Wastes. Both series promise the protagonist unlimited lifespans and plenty of mana and they have horny dryads who seem to be made for spreading life through the universe.

Too bad that fantasy mostly limits itself to low power levels. Feel free to correct me.

>>12622471
>>12621846
When this general started none of the charts in the op were done by poll. Even now its like one chart that used information from like two other people in the thread when it was made. I didn't put in my two cents, the books were shit but you didn't see me behave like reddit or tumblur about it, like you are.

>>12622520
>Daniel Black
Yea. You know its bad, but you finish the book and want more. I just tune out the sex tbhf.

>>12622520
>Death Mage
Tell me about this death mage, what is it about? I need more magical engineering.

>>12622368
I don't feel the need to constantly remind everyone of my opinion that many of the books upon that chart are very good books.

>>12622520
Delvers llc by blaise tried to copy Daniel Black but fucked it up with too much povs, and alphabet group pandering.
There are a few other Daniel Black like books, but they all shit the bed. For all the bad sex scenes in Daniel Black, the author really is talented.

>>12622564
So you are saying it's the creator's opinion and everyone complaining should make their own to counter?

>>12622539
I am so beyond good and bad at this point.

I could do far with less (details) of the sex, too. I love my harems but I don't really masturbate to them.

>>12622552
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-death-mage-who-doesnt-want-a-fourth-time/

It's one of the more popular isekai web novels and the translations are good enough that you can actually read it without cringing. Of course it still has lots of the typical elements that might turn you off about weeb/isekai novels. It's not really about magical engineering but the protagonist does create quite a few golems/possessed structures and objects.

>>12622578
Yeah, hard to believe he was writing (Naruto) fanfiction before.

>>12622583
Why would anyone create a chart of books to avoid in order to 'counter' his opinion? There are far too many shit books that I have purposefully forgotten.

>>12622578
Too bad all he wants to do his write his loli space marine reverse harem, and it shows.

Any sci-fi favorites that lean more towards fantasy than strict science?

>>12622578
>There are a few other Daniel Black like books, but they all shit the bed. For all the bad sex scenes in Daniel Black, the author really is talented.
you know what? i just noticed that i only dislike the sex xscenes in daniel black. im completely fine with them when randi darren or michael scott early do them.
why is that i wonder? maybe i subconsciously know he doesnt care about daniel black like >>12622613
suggests.

>>12622593
>isekai web novels
I'm not that desperate for books that I would turn to Japanese webnovels. I would probably read western webnovels that were turned into ebooks/audiobooks, but not Japanese cartoon logics. Anime all go the same way even though you hope this one would be different.

>>12622617
Not a fav, but "a big ship at the end of the universe"

>>12622617
You mean setting with an explicit distinction between magic and science, or is technology that clearly doesn't follow the laws of physics enough to qualify? Would you consider Hyperion fitting?

>>12622624
Personally, it kinda feels like all the girls are either fucked in the head nymphos or just trying to buy Daniel's favour through sex (and are only refraining from fucking other guys because it might upset him). It also irks me how they keep fucking each other all the time while he actually tries to save everyone from certain doom.

>>12622613
Thrall is shaping up to be more money than his space loli personal private army marine princess, so maybe he might continue Daniel Black faster.

>>12622677
>tree spaceship

>>12622690
I never finished the Endymion sequel and I don't remember a lot of details but despite all of its fantastical elements it was pretending to be all science instead of magic, wasn't it?

>>12622732
Everyone who drinks Aenea's blood gains newtype powers.

>>12622683
He’s fallen into the trap that most isekai people hit. The magic is in the struggle, now that he’s thoroughly encamped, it’s hard to present a threat. That’s why he was kidnapped in thrall and why the author is struggling to move the plot forward.

>>12622677
>buy Daniel's favour through sex
It's a very female thing to do. They see he is doing powerful stuff, and want to stick around. The stay in the kitchen girl all but admitted she knows that he doesn't have to do shit to help her. His deal was only for the stabby girl.
Even the peasants would pass the pussy to guarantee safety. They were willing to do it with normal arms men, what would they not do to get in with a self made lord who owns land (and was given that land personally by the crown. The lord fights for his people, and doesn't mind making you more powerful / successful as he gets more powerful and successful.
You better believe all those cunnies are thinking up ways for the lord wizard to raise them above their station.

>>12622677
>You mean setting with an explicit distinction between magic and science, or is technology that clearly doesn't follow the laws of physics enough to qualify?
Anything from the author prioritizing storytelling over scientific accuracy to unbridled mania palmed off as speculative fiction

>>12622741
>Everyone who drinks Aenea's blood gains newtype powers.
I always assumed that anything like that would turn out as just being more technology that tries to pass as magic/divine blessings.

>>12622760
Seems like only a handful of hard-scifi stories would NOT qualify, though.

>>12622789
It is a virus but yes Endymion etc is much more obviously fantastical. Of course, Satyr!Silenus is hilarious.

>tfw both the displacer beast and the creature that inspired it are copyrighted and can't be used in a story

great, now what?

>>12622747
I know it makes total sense that they try to buy his affection, especially the witches and catgirl peasant early on. It's just not a good sign for a harem when it makes me wish he had rejected all the bitches and gone for a monogamist romance with the butt-ugly grendelkin instead of corrupting her with their hedonistic sex witchcraft.

Maybe there is a bit too much bonobo mentality for my taste. At least the Vanir genocide will sate my desire to see bitches and whores die.

>>12622934
>butt-ugly grendelkin
hillbilly scholar fairy is absolutely best girl.

>>12621330
>read 14 FUCKING BOOKS of something and be this seething and bitchy about it

Well done absolute retard, if I stop liking it I'll stop reading it because I do not have brain damage, but my bet is that is not going to happen. Good job ignoring the other guy who actually responded to your points too, bitch.

>>12622847
>displacer beast
Oh shit. That's what the cat thing was in divine dungeons series.

>>12623015
>wah wah wah, I'm a stupid slut, please fuck my face
wot fags are the worst. But if compares nothing to the ones that read it and still like it. Brainlet whore.

>>12623015
I genuinely think your overuse of the word "seething" has rewired your brain

>>12623081
Kys retard.

>>12623082
>use a word once
>overuse

I don't know who you think I am but good job with that jab, another complete retard, if there's word I overuse it's that one. But what can I do when I'm surrounded by them. This thread has some really special people, it's slow but somehow I run into more absolute fucktards than on the other media boards, amazing actually.

>>12623067
technically, it could have also been a Coeurl. Displacer Beast is the more famous name, but it's only called that in D&D campaigns. Most other things use the term Coeurl, though I've also seen Zorl and Prowler.

I think in the end I'm going to keep it in my story but call it Coer'el instead

Will people hate having a wimpy doormat in the party if at the very least they can follow orders and have useful skills?

I wanted a character like neville who starts out a complete coward but slowly becomes the most badass member of the group

>>12623118
Why don't you neck yourself why girls tug your hair from the ground below.

>>12623177
Just use a different name but use a similar description, with slightly similar attributes.
As a writer you can get away with blatant plagiarism and copyright infringement if you are talented enough. Get good and fuck off.

>>12623225
You know why they call him longbottom right? He can hide some impressive shafts in there.

what would you guys think is a healthy reader dropoff across chapters?

I want to read a book series with a lot of entries. Currently reading through Redwall for fun. Also going to start reading The Dark is Rising Sequence books. Any suggestions? I'm up for anything.

>>12623743
Any thing YA.

>>12620235
If you could feel how your energy was changing the temperature in a spot. I would use it as a heat detector, in a bubble around me and zap everything that moved with heat.

what do you lads think of gauntlets as a weapon, I think they're fucking amazing

>>12623743
Malazan

>>12623743
wheel of time, ranger's apprentice, malazan,

>>12623834
absolutely based. for the book im planning, a character in the history of the world is famed for using a caestus and they use it to retrofit it onto a character who had a hand cut off.

>>12622593
do you have the epub for that?

>>12623984
>methhead breaks into museum, steals statue and melts it down for copper scraps

>>12623997
Not my upload though, it's from trollo-epub
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4QnN2Rld6NkhvRUk

>>12624032
>the main character is a one year old
fuck this dumb shit

>>12620248
With 200kcal of energy you could raise the body temp of the average man by about 2.5 degrees C. Probably enough to kill someone.

>>12622477
You’ll need to go to a psychiatrist and psychologist for testing and evaluation

>>12624182
Or, y'know, just their brain by like 20 degrees

>>12617473
>tips invisible hat in your direction

>>12617473

>>12617473
If this is straight I'd rather be gay. The Name of the Wind and The Wise Man's Fear are not good books, more noticeably so TWMF. Where NOTW is a somewhat convincingly polished turd Rothfuss didn't even have the time to polish TWMF so there's nothing but nostalgia for the first book to hide the ridiculous tropes, self inserting, lack of coherency and cringeworthy writing.

would rape take place in a land where everyones suffering from hunger and trying to avoid death?

I would think that primal instinct takes a backseat to getting ones dick mutilated, or any other part of them

>>12624449
>suffering from hunger and trying to avoid death?
You get killed while raping so you're literally fucked if you're fucking

Just finished this. I knew the ending was going to be rough from about the half way point of the second book, but I didn't realise how rough it really would be.
I think I want to read more of the Valdemar books at some time. Would it just be best to start at the beginning? Or is there a trilogy anyone could recommend based on really liking this one?

Also, any other good books about emotionally broken gay wizards suffering endlessly? This trilogy made me so horny and lonely I'm almost enjoying my depression.

How do you feel knowing you'll never get to enjoy the fantasy masterpiece Ritterorden because you neglected to learn Japanese?

For reference:
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ146618.html

>>12624462
Have you tried the /cmlit/ books? https://pastebin.com/GdMNcey2

It's plagued by YA but I know amongst adult fiction Coldfire and The Picture of Dorian Gray are good if you can stand just having bait.

>>12624462
(cont)
Haven't actually read that one though.

>>12624462
*
although picture isn't about wizards

>>12624487
Thanks, might check some of this out.

>>12624475
I've never read a VN that lived up to hype once it got translated.

>>12624543
The issue is the translation often can't do the original language justice.

>>12624577
I don't buy it at all, because my complaint isn't about the prose. Plenty of train translations read perfectly well. But they all have underlying problems that a translation could not fix or worsen, primarily with pacing and the structure of the story itself. It's clear that almost none of these games are edited in any professional capacity and are primarily written by amateurs. It's smut with a fancier-than-normal coating on it.

>>12624600
>Plenty of train translations
I don't know where the word train came from there, so ignore it please.

>>12613381
>and then we marched to Buxwater-on-Twode and stole their grain
>and then we marched to Percival-on-Wilt and stole their grain
>and then we marched to Berry-on-the-Downs and stole their grain
>and then we marched to Brook Field and stole their grain
>and then we camped outside a castle for two years and stole grain from the surrounding villages

>>12617443
Why not just set it in America circa the 1500s?

>a shitty one-page-per-day webcomic about gnolls and a beholder is more engaging than any fantasy book i've read in years
Any good fantasy books about monsters/the bad guys?

I'm probably going to drop Royal Assassin. Is Ancillary Justice a good book to start?

>>12624876
Just as with 99% of new authors, Ancillary Justice has a good first book and a disappointing (in this case tea drinking) second and third book. If you describe what books you found good, locating a good recommendation becomes easier.

>>12624734
Everybody Loves Large Chests

>>12624734
A Practical Guide to Evil

>>12623743
The Honor Harrington military scifi series by David Weber. The protagonist becomes more and more unbearably MAry Sue as the story progresses but the space battles become more and more epic.

>>12623834
I liked the "ascudgamln" in the Eragon series

>>12624449
>would rape take place in a land where everyones suffering from hunger and trying to avoid death?
Actually it is under those circumstances that rape takes place more often. Civilized society breaks down and so does the rule of law.

>>12624888
https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/45763411-mathias-kristensen

>inb4 shit taste

>>12625023
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if my list is very incomplete. But it's a decent indication.

someone please make the next thread
>>12625098
>>12625098

>>12625104
*after this

>>12622477
Everyone has autism. It's just the strength of it that's the problem. Fidget spinners made billions for a reason. If you played with a fidget spinner for more than one spin (to see what it was all about) you have autism.
If you can't meet someone's eyes, you have autism.
If you remember a joke and just start laughing for no reason, you have autism.
If you go to talk to a gril and only repeat what she says, you have autism.

>>12624475
From the pictures it's the same anime shit that is recycled endlessly.
I don't read recycled plots, so why would I want to read the Japanese equivalent?

>>12613381
How autistic are you? Pick all that apply. >>12622436

>>12624734
Something stupid trilogy

>>12624734
Link?

>>12618155
Arguably the books written by Matthew Stover, but you could just read his non Star Wars stuff instead.

>>12621188
I feel like this chart is some attempted chessmaster shit, where enough genuinely good or at least fun and adequate stuff is on it that people will think "Oh, if he hated these, the other ones might be good too!" and get bamboozled into reading utter trash.

>>12621188
Prince of Fools may be little more than a fantasy Flashman knockoff, but I'll read and enjoy pretty much any Flashman knockoff that's halfway-decent.

And I certainly prefer it to Lawrence's series with the edgy teen genius badass for a protagonist.

I finally finished Throne of Glass and now I'm feeling empty ;__;

>>12624891
Legitimately one of the best novels I have ever read.

>>12623548
Are you having a stroke? I'm gonna have to try starting a WoT discussion every thread I bother reading now, it's funny how the one or two incoherent floor shitting spergs have psychotic fits every time it's mentioned.

Why is it a /lit/ meme that Branderson writes anime? I said it as a joke to a very confused friend and I only just realized I don't get it either. Does his stuff just read like the literary equivalent of Sword Art Online?

>>12625912
Anime fights. Blushing virgin characters. Spend more than twenty seconds thinking about it.

>>12625291
You were already empty inside.

>>12625912
>Does his stuff just read like the literary equivalent of Sword Art Online?
His quality is a bit higher than SAO.
But Sanderson does use a lot of typical shounen anime tropes.