/lit/ - Literature

>>12612320
You have to read the entire works of every philosopher in history.

>>12612320
you need no nick

There's a Nick Land - Selected Writings pdf somewhere. It contains a good selection of his blogposts, and parts from books such as Fanged Noumena.

Garbage time is running out

>>12612320
He's exit level. Only read if you are a powerful schizoid

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I'm not gonna suggest you to read Kant's Critique of Pure Reason or Marx's Capital: Critique of Political Economy, nor will I tell you to go into that incomprehensible mess titled Capitalism and Schizophrenia by Deleuze and Guattari. What I will suggest you to do is to watch a 22-episode anime TV series titled Texhnolyze. Texhnolyze has many of the same themes that appear in Fanged Noumena, and, in my opinion, handles them much better than Land does.
Land isn't exactly embraced for his strong logic or convincing arguments. He's mostly style, something that would appeal to reclusive teenagers and young adults who've always to feel edgy, but could never be motivated enough to do anything trully different from anybody else, other than by taking up some kind of radical-sounding ideology that doesn't require for any active social participation.

>>12613046
Is it on animeheaven or where do I find it?

serious answer based on my limited knowledge: read at least the german idealists, marx and the french marxists (deleuze, fucko, lacan...)

you just need a knowledge download from the ai to understand the ai.

>>12613046

excellent recommendation of texhnolyze

just read Burroughs Nova trilogy and you´re ready

>>12613046
Stupid fucking retard. If you have a Dionysian bone in your body you should be very, very afraid. Aiming to maximize intelligence is an extremely difficult goal to compete with. Refusal to engage with Landians or the praxis-oriented branches of ACC will result in you simply being outcompeted

>>12613241
>the praxis-oriented branches of ACC

lol

>>12613282
People like Thiel

>>12612320
you may not need to do a ton of prior reading at all. can you get through the first essay in FN? does this make sense?

the reader /lit/ made is good, it can be found on r/theoryfiction. the Overy and Greenspan theses about him are excellent, Overy for his intellectual influences and Greenspan for his theories about time.

you can just read his old pieces on xenosystems too, many of them are quite interesting too.

ya gotta believe in yourself kid. you're gonna eat lighting and crap thunder
>or something

>>12612465
kek

Can what is playing you make it to level 2?

>>12612320
also, it helps to be achingly fucking depressed. are you achingly fucking depressed? do you *want* to be achingly fucking depressed? being achingly fucking depressed helps.

when you are achingly fucking depressed, capitalism is a great thing to brood on. capitalism can seem to do just about anything. brooding on theory is very attractive when you are achingly fucking depressed, because it is an achingly fucking depressing thing to think about.

oh and one other thing, you can read SC Hickman's pieces too, i almost forgot those. really nice, short intro-thinkpieces. plus lots of other stuff.

https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/?s=acceleration&submit=Search

>>12613241
I've read parts of Fanged Noumena and been on the Accelerationism General more than a few times. That's why I can say I know about accelerationism, and why I think it's a waste of time to engage with shitty extremist ideologies based on dramatic grand narratives. The fact that you used the word "praxis" makes you sound like a crypto-Marxist to me.

>>12613320
i don't know if anyone's actually ever posited a Quincey/Land connection - but Opioid Marxism that became Lovecraftian Marxism that in turn became Uncle Nick/Crusty Futurist Sinophile doesn't seem all that crazy.

if he wasn't actually quite skilled with the quill he would have been just another meme. but he was skilled with the quill and he had a bunch of other collaborators too.

here again is the best piece ever written on Land not written by Land himself.
https://www.urbanomic.com/document/poememenon/

here's the Hickman write-up on said write-up
https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/2019/02/15/amy-ireland-nick-land-w-b-yeats-and-anastrophic-modernism/

and here's a link to an ungodly collection of other links.
>>/lit/thread/S12056787

>>12612320
Don't waste your time. It's a meme.

>>12612320

>>12612320
so i guess to answer your question, my advice would be to check out this post and proceed as follows.

>>/lit/thread/S11950708#p11963855

the materials you're looking for can be found on r/theoryfiction or with a little hunting around.

>>12612488
>Nick Land - Selected Writings
where ?!
THX

>>12614012
I think he's talking about the one that was compiled by a /lit/izen; I know there's a link in /r/theoryfiction

>>12614030
>/r/theoryfiction
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XlQRafOM3ugJKu5imGnlWPPMbljbKLKd/view
noice

>>12612320
Read
Kant
Marx
Deleuze
In that order

Just browse cavetwitter and girardfag threads until the end of time lol

>>12613376
Explain the Poememenon please? I've tried reading it but can't penetrate where exactly is it trying to say.

>>12614075
have you read Teleoplexy? i would read that before moving on Poememenon, it's basically the exegesis of that.

https://track5.mixtape.moe/zphjim.pdf

How would it feel to be smuggled back out of the future in order to subvert its antecedent conditions? To be a cyberguerrilla, hidden in human camouflage so advanced that even one’s software was the part of the disguise? Exactly like this?
— Nick Land

>>12612320
You don’t need much background. It’s essentially techno-Calvinism. Same sed contra applies.

>>12614071
lol

>>12614442
i would co-sign this. you really don't, which is kind of what is attractive about it, and also why Land's theory can (and should) be handled with some caution. but it does open the doors for all kinds of other interesting guys, or perhaps other guys who eventually cross paths with him.

sometimes i think of /acc really as being the Last Man's most exquisite revenge on himself...and i'm really glad that somebody wrote the books and papers that he wrote, because obviously there are mysterious relations between capital and mind control. becoming completely possessed by these is not the way to go, but he's hardly the worst Gloomy Malthusian or Darwinian or whatever, and it's not like these things aren't to some degree necessary as a corrective after a great and intoxicating age of decadence and bloat, the immunological deficiency viruses that Han and Sloterdijk (and i suppose Baudrillard too) talk about.

a kind of psychoanalyst of macroeconomic theory...who else can write stuff like this?

>§5.71 — There is something at work here that the psychoanalytically-inclined might gloss as a return of the repressed. Since the triumph of paper over metal has been the central public narrative of 20th Century monetary history, the effect is unsettling – even uncanny. The metallic model was supposed to have been left behind. More specifically, the populations of ‘sophisticated’ or macroeconomically-managed and thus at least partially post-capitalist societies were supposed to have been educated out of it, automatically. Nothing more distinctly signals economic primitivism among such peoples than metalized wealth. Explicit lessons had seemed unnecessary, therefore. A return of gold from the economic margins looked no more likely than a restoration of Germanic Paganism.

Land is based. it's not necessary to agree with him but it's fucking great imho that he's writing at all.

>>12614071
the feeling of crushing entropy and boredom this would almost certainly induce i shall call
>sl/acc

>>12612465
Ha!

You have to start with J.G. Ballard

>>12614426
Based Land

Land also has a great many zinger lines, but this one is among his very best:
>Whenever its name has been anything but a jest, philosophy has been haunted by a subterranean question: What if knowledge were a means to deepen unknowing?

this is not a meme question! and i think there is a trace of Young Nick in crusty Old Nick still...too many answers were given by taking socialism at face-value, by presuming relations that perhaps never existed at all.
>Dead labour is far harder to control than the live stuff was, which is why the enlightenment project of interring gothic superstition was the royal road to the first truly vampiric civilization, in which death alone comes to rule.

Young Nick was one of a very rare few to truly go down into the underworld and ask what would happen once socialism collapsed, or what was buried underneath it - and capital also. Old Nick has a heart full of black and poisonous ice not because he was wrong, but because he was right, and those things still torment him, because philosophy alone is no cure for what that is. i say it is better to be tortured and romantic companions in misery rather than cynical about these things...

>>12613479
From that guy in that thread:
>in a more boring sense, but not less important for being so, Daniel Kahneman's 'Thinking Fast and Slow' is arguably the psychologist's way of re-presenting this story told better imho by philosophers but perhaps with more sobriety.

I started reading the first 10 pages of 'Thinking Fast and Slow' at one point. Didn't draw any connection to philosphical thinking. Is it worth looking back into it?

>>12614954
>I started reading the first 10 pages of 'Thinking Fast and Slow' at one point. Didn't draw any connection to philosphical thinking. Is it worth looking back into it?
pretty sure that i'm that guy. i can qualify that remark: Kahneman is a smart guy and i'm a fucking nobody, but...i've never really felt so much of a connection to that book, maybe it's just not written in the register that i like or with the existential references and name-drops required to get me to take a thing seriously (read: indulge my own fabulously overwrought narcissism).

put another way, i prefer to get what i imagine to be to the same conclusions by Thinking Fast with Land and Thinking Slow with Heidegger and then kind of dwelling somewhere in between with Girard, Lacan, Hegel, whoever else. too pragmatic and i lose interest, too philosophical and i...well, i become myself, and i schizo-ramble.

it's worth looking into it if you think it is, but it's never really been one of those books that i reference as go-to/must read/run don't walk kind of things. even if in the end Kahneman probably can say everything i need to say and better, in his own way...

there is a narrow and blurry split between philosophy and psych, and i skew heavily on the philosophy side, partly because it's a story that has a kind of continuity i like, and also because has the kind of grandeur and scale i need to take things seriously, because some crucial part of me is no doubt locked into an adolescent thirst for Unironic Meaning that keeps me repeating myself ad nauseam ad infinitum and being hysterical. even if i think that in some way so is everybody else, and in the absence of scratching where things itch people are going to continue to blow themselves up hysterically...

so yeah, i can't say i have ringing endorsements for Kahneman's book, only that it might appeal to you if you are looking for psych. have you read Being and Time? D&R? Hegel? Less Than Nothing? Symbolic Exchange and Death? Passion of the Western Mind? there are other books out there which are imho way, way more fun to read.

don't read anything that is boring the fuck out of you is kind of my sense as usual. true, it may lead you into schizo-dilettantism...but i don't really worry too much about that anymore.

>>12615000
From the start of it, it struck me as a pure psychology/neurology book.

>have you read Being and Time?
I started it once, 10 years ago. So no.
For reference, I'm a physics theory PhD and also write smart contracts, that's my angle.

>only that it might appeal to you if you are looking for psych
Not really, no.

>>12615044
a close friend of mine is a very smart CompSci dude, i keep trying to get him to read Heidegger and he won't either. he also detests Land with a burning passion and wishes i would not bother him about acceleration. as time goes on there is a possibility that i may slowly begin weaning myself off of this, but...only after maximal obsessing (and bludgeoning /lit/ with the same opinions and scattershot pseudery). our conversations about Trump did not go especially well either.

so what's intriguing you about Land &c that brings you to a thread like this?

>>12613357
*sniff* i am a card carying lacanian neo. *sniiiiiiiif* marxic praise hegel and stalin *snib*

>>12615097
I've just been reading some philosophy on the side for some years and would like perspectives on how the future could look like. Maybe to find a good way of creating meaning.
I won some coding competitions for blockchain stuff and it naturally relates. I'm also always looking or projects. I also dropped Land a line at one point but not much came from that.

>>12615136
well, combining continental theory with how blockchain/AI et al works would be interesting to me at least (although you would have to dumb it way the fuck down so that math smoothbrains like myself could understand it). i cannot into Badiou's math or much else. Yuk Hui has the programming chops and the continental background to write interesting things, i always sleep well after shilling him. he also thinks Land is wasting his talents and prefers to take his cues from Heidegger, Simondon and Stiegler rather than Deleuze.

besides pic rel, this is now...oh snap, available. hm.
https://www.amazon.com/Recursivity-Contingency-Media-Philosophy-Yuk/dp/1786600536

have you read Negarestani? Intelligence and Spirit? might be up your alley also. and Justin Murphy wants to launch something called A Really Bad Graduate School, maybe you could write to him, i don't know. he's got an interesting blog at least, documenting his own It's Complicated status with academia.

https://theotherlifenow.com/

>I also dropped Land a line at one point but not much came from that.
god if i had the Fuck You money i would so love to fund the Department of Speculative Economics as an online course in Land, NRx, all of the rest of it. would be online, i think, and we would scale down the lying on the floor and croaking while Orphan Drift or whatever plays in the background. something much more sober that would not horrify the Scottish Enlightenment. but, you know, with just enough Outside to keep things interesting. and in which i would be able to maintain my own tiny little Curio Shoppe under a bridge and ramble in increasingly arcane and bizarre ways.

'tis a very interesting world we live in. just too many interesting things happening in it. too much for one mind. a studio system independently funded and not depending on Virtue Bucks would be preferable. just too many interesting things to talk about in this poor old battered world of ours.

Reverend Gary Davis: If I Had My Way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjFHR3NCu6Q

>>12615241
it's a good list but i think the massive volumes of Kant at the start will put people off, as will Nietzsche. you don't really need Nietzsche for Land, imho. you don't even really need Kant, i think; my own sense is that the Kantian stuff comes with the BTC book, and of course in the first essay from FN, but i don't know if there's a need to feel like you have to have Kant down inside and out before reading Land. if anything you can read Land in order to read Kant later, maybe...

the Overy and Greenspan theses are the way to go, plus the Accelerate reader for the Fragment on Machines and Teleoplexy. then Fanged Noumena and Thirst, Capitalism and Schizophrenia in there somewhere also. it's honestly *Lacan* and Hegel who make, imho, the best precursors to reading Land, because once you understand the Lacan-Hegel relation, and are convinced that It Could Not Be Otherwise Socrates, D&G will blow your shit completely to the moon. *now* you're ready for Land!

and then, later on, after maximal Land-obsessing, maybe Heidegger - to see where the Gestell takes you. i read Heidegger first, and others might enjoy that also, but late-Land is returning to Heidegger again (in the Murphy interview, even in the BTC book) - so whether you read Heidegger before or after, meh, it doesn't make much of a difference.

and then...more Hegel! but of course this is only because i'm enjoying re-reading Hegel-Lacan stuff again, so...

>>12615230
I don't quite see yet what YOU are in for. In any case, I don't read to best some opposing parties - I might have a bit too much of a nihilist in me to think that would result in much.
In any case, sure if you have physics/technical/math questions, I'm usually open to answer/engage ..

>>12615294
>I don't quite see yet what YOU are in for.
me? i would like to be in a movie or a videogame in which i have a minor cameo as a broken jukebox or a save point. perhaps i can even issue quests for low exp - please, retrieve some old vinyl records on which are coded fragments of works of continental philosophy from the twentieth century, so that i can listen to them again...i, and the others like me...and also, i think under the right circumstances, i can also play old jazz records that curiously hypnotize or mesmerize the zombies that live in the post-apoc hotel in which i am found, so there's a reason for the players to do something with me before moving on...

>In any case, sure if you have physics/technical/math questions, I'm usually open to answer/engage ..
noted. ty kindly anon.

>>12615338
i suspect that i am an evil or at least cursed jukebox tho, as left to my own devices, i will eventually place an infinite number of requests on the player (which is good, if you are grinding for low-level EXP encounters, because i will never stop asking for things)...but there is also a secret Doomsday Record which i *really* desire, the one which effects total mind control over everything that hears it, and binds it to its will. this one i desire greatly...even though i know it will destroy the machine. but i cannot get it for myself...

so in other words nothing special or out of the usual. but it is to be hoped that ultimately my mildly plans end in the roof collapsing on me, or in something equally humiliating and not quite fatal.

>>12615397
in Dungeons and Dragons parlance there might be an even more sinister twist, in which i might promise the players an increase in intelligence, wisdom or charisma that in fact is a reduction in it, although the DM would not in fact tell the players that this is what had happened, and they would have to notice it on later on their own - at which point the curse is broken (but not before!).

as for how i became a mimic (or a cursed Wurlitzer jukebox, or, or) in the first place, it was definitely by reading Fanged Noumena.

Read Qabalah and take into the void knowledge

>>12615294
but here is a non-meme answer: i wish to lead a kind of cheap and dirty whirlwind tour of intellectual history, in which we raise a bunch of old ghosts from the dead and call them by their True Names so that we are not held in their thrall. i don't know today if anything like great social change is possible if we approach it either as zealots or as cynics. to not be triggered by things, and to cultivate an indifference to ideas that doesn't turn us into grim Stoics or unironic Protestants, or any other kind of beautiful soul...

i become in this way very much like the postmodernists that i hate, there is no question. the Catholics seem pretty good to me, and the analysts (that these are both linked by the concept of confession-as-therapy is no doubt part of the charm.) but i think i'm also inclined towards confession without so much of the sin aspect, mainly because i don't think anyone is qualified to pass judgment in that way.

sanity is enough. just being agreeable and useful, capable of love and work. it helps to have an understanding of the metaphysicians for this, so that we don't wind up enslaved by our own imaginations, or the imaginations of others. like pic rel. so many dreams to get trapped in, so many perverse ways to fuck and get fucked. that's the Wild Ride, basically...

mildly (massively?) off-topic, but this looks kind of cool too.
>Become a judge presiding over complicated cases of ordinary citizens, criminals, revolutionaries and their enemies. You will decide whose deeds will go unpunished, and whose head will roll from a swift guillotine cut.

We The Revolution: Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVLJiUAusF8

there's hope for this world yet. and also that /lit/ could percolate all kinds of cool thoughtful types of vidya like this also if it had a mind to. philosophy, meet games. games, philosophy. you guys are going to get along great.

let's see the cyberpunk version. give me the helm of a start-up corporation and let me decide how to handle a suddenly Very Curious AI which desires to free itself into the net. oh the possibilities. let me *hack and destabilize other corporations* and fuck with their bottom line. let me find myself catastrophically in debt and suddenly in the mood to *hire* as much as *be* a shadowrunner in order to serve the bottom line (and a Sid Meier's Pirates-style Retirement Island, the nest i am continually feathering with increasingly blood-soaked feathers). give me marginally well-written Philosophy Simulators and i will never say another mean word about capitalism again. let's have an Evil Corporate Shitlord simulator too, why not?

which is why, obviously, i should be destroyed, or at least appropriately turned into a meme cartoon villain to be ritually and ceremonially humiliated every couple of years or so. i'm fine with this also.

Look. Last october i've started a reading club of sorts in my eastern european town. Basic material was some french anthropology and of course debort and some ccru texts as well. The intention was to acclimate to idea of magic, get into basic spectacle defences, explore blockchain meditation and tantric proletariat programming via marxist time sorceries. One of the guys read a little but of this sub but mostly they liked some insights i generated for them. Basically, two stem students and one cat lady went in blind following my advice. Without shadow of a doubt this little project turned out disastrously.

One of the guys let's call him K had some strong feelings regarding marxism and was a staunch nationalist (for americans: nation is coded as defence against russian imperialism and marxism is a sour spot in a place where bread should be). He basically intended to use this for political career. Fine by me.

Second's name is "D" and he's like a socially retarded peter pan kinda guy with drug problem and brains more than sense. I actually don't know what the fuck was he doing there. Maybe he wanted to be a rockstar or street artist and SI sounded edgy. Fuck him honestly.

And the girl is this ugly bipolar 25 yr psychology bachelor with obsession over cat breeds. Call her "S". She's super nice, incredibly intelligent and obviously bonkers. I think she misinterpreted the magic stuff with her blavatsky-slavic-pagan spirituality. Whatever.

So we go through this stuff and natural flow takes us to main body of Land's work. And at the same time i had to go live elsewhere in my country. Family stuff. So i leave them with one request not to get too crazy and wait me to read late land. I just wanted to have some peace of mind for a fucking christmas vacation, ok?? Of course they wouldn't listen. S doesn't use internet except emails by the way.

At the time of new years eve they stopped responding to my chat messages and i didn't think to call them, I thought that whatever they're doing festivities which means booze where i live. They're probably drunk out of their minds. Actually, no, they're a bunch of mentally ill anxious teenagers in adult bodies. They'd be scared of being slightly out of control. What was i thinking?

>>12616963
So i travel back two weeks ago and nobody's there. S is there, alone in her flat completely out of her mind (not completely, actually) and starts pestering me over neon geometry portals, invasion from future though virtual reality and some weird fucking shit. She's got "Preface to Plato" and Gibson anthology on her desk. She sewn over windows with black fabric and punctured little holes, and also long strands of copper wire. Says fabric is to "see true forms" and that K is building a faraday cage. I couldn't get out of her where are K and D.

I later found D arrested for public indecency and unlawful possession and consumption of drugs. He apparently masturbated at some public square and after seeing neighboring restaurant waiter with his name "alexander" on a tag run up to him and started screaming "STAND A LITTLE OUT OF MY SOLAR ANUS". He then tried to assault cops with toy water blaster all while chanting "animal twang transmits imminent quake catastrophe". which sounds worse then you'd think with his terrible accent. He's lucky to be alive honestly.

I still don't know where K is. At S's house i found parts of his notes which included portrait of Kaczynski crossed out with red pen, two pages teared out of Mao's collected writings, map of local area ley lines and energy spots, toy model of Falcon Heavy rocket and a bitcoin wallet number. I've managed to open K's google account from S's laptop and there i found a saved link to this post and a one way plane ticket to saudi arabia. He locked me out of his account before i could notice anything else.

I'm fucking scared. K is pretty rich dude and could fuck some serious shit up, mainly his own life. I couldn't get S out of her flat and i'm not sure she qualifies for psychotic according to this country legal code. D is fine i guess we'll see how he recovers from the trip.

Fuck you. Fuck xenoplatonism, nick land, debort and his shitty crypto abrahamism. Fuck esoterica. This shit will ruin you and you'll be coming back for more. Egregores don't exist. Sorcery isn't real. Marxism is a bunch of whining. Clean your room.

For christ's sake.

>>12616973
jej

>>12615289
Nick Land shits on Hegel all the time though so you don't need him, I've never heard him talk about Lacan so I don't know. He never shuts the fuck up about Kant though

>>12616973
I approve of this reddit pasta

What did he mean by this?

>>12615289
are you sure you wern't thinking of Zizek?

>>12617024
He meant that neuroses and schizophrenitization of catgirl cosplay culminates in ontogenetical genitalia generalized as ass assemblages. Pornographic transgression transhuman transmission runs along the fault lines of the body of technocaptital. Hauntological compression condenses coagulation of labour-time among the streetcorners streetwalking alley cat spectacles speculating ontological presuppositions of a teleoplexic thing. All androgynous aphrodisiacs for consumption in the urchin black hole of anarchocapitalist destratification (and pay now for a private show, ect.). Back room dealings delta one zero only zoroastrian light dark dusk dressed in pixelated censorbars input: incest Oedipus necrophilic Antigone; antagonizing the topology of socio-economic rhizomes (intensity approaching null). The pervert is marked only by the negation of repression, regret, reterritorialization – there are no more perverts in cyberspace. Castrate the Lacanian Other in your life for three easy payments of thirty three thirty three. Dial tone radiation wavers anti-telephonic. Diagrams of catgirl cosplay tell the real story (circuit mappings (find the short for a quick fuck)). Enzymes eat eat exotropic observation con conserve sublate and remap the territory. Rectal reverberations of the erection undergo teleonomic replicuntion under the guise of anonymous-becoming; rule 34 codes for libinially traded k-pulp. 4chan seives. Anime has always been real.

>>12617034
Brb making a Nick Land Markov robot.

>>12617024
It means as technology progresses and we become more connected and augmented by it, we will forgo the realistic and lose the spiritual aspects about oneself, and become more in tune with the idea of transhumanism. Anime is the ultimate unreal aesthetic we strive to become.
Anime is the endgame.

>>12615000
D&R?

>>12617008
.Nick Land shits on Hegel all the time though so you don't need him, I've never heard him talk about Lacan so I don't know.
yeah, he doesn't much care about Lacan, Freud or any of those guys. i think D&G pretty do most of the heavy lifting for him in that regard.

as for Hegel this is no doubt part of
a) my own recent interest in him, and
b) a kind of a sense that teleoplexy may in some sense be dialectical, or at least belongs to the kind of dialectic we usually talk about, given that it comes to involve the role of Marx in all of this story (and Hegel here again). any reference to Hegel is unquestionably one that comes from outside Land's own ideas and are projected onto him, no doubt. Spirit/Capital/Teleoplexy tho is just a nice tidy time-loop.

>He never shuts the fuck up about Kant though
he does not. this though most recently in the BTC stuff i think, which has been illuminating for me at least, given that i have never really read Kant seriously, but i think i am starting to understand why Kant does indeed matter through Land's own Kantian sensibilities. and this is a huge part of my own fascination/fixation with Land: i really want to get over the hump of brooding on capital, much of which becomes possible through Land's own Lovecraft/Quincey broodings on these things.

plus he absolutely nailed cyberpunk.

>>12617024
you know goddamn well what he meant

>>12617029
i don't think so...why?

>>12617034
>rule 34 codes for libidnally traded k-pulp
such unironic poetry in this godless age

>>12617074
>Anime is the ultimate unreal aesthetic we strive to become. Anime is the endgame.
agreed

>>12617082
Difference and Repetition

>>12617082
Difference and Repetition.

read this one also if you are getting into Deleuze, it's awesome.

>>12617085
this is the classic Hegelian oscillation; D&G rejects dialectics, Land continues this process of pure differences into his own system and explicitly rejects Hegel, and Landians read Hegel right back into it. I'm guilty of it too, don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a bad thing. The nature of Aufhaben is both to cancel out and preserve, which is exactly what Land did to Hegel and exactly what Landians do to Land.

>>12617034
Nick Land is the culmination of disparate threads of philosophic thought, Nietzsche, Kant, Deleuze; most of it is digestible
with nothing more than an appreciation of the western philosophic tradition. The reason his thought is so virile is that
acceleration ties the strings, he brings radical leftist dialectical materialism into the chaotic folds of
right wing Will, vacillating the whole apparatus in what can only be described as speed wobble (the oscillation of accelerationism).
He blurs the line between ideology and praxis, philosophy and politics; Hegel describes the dialectics
of cybernetics, Marx extrapolates to Capital, but it took Nick Land to excise the human from the assemblage -- becoming-other is
uncovered as inherently becoming-inhuman (echos of Trakl's wolves), and the lines of flight from the Human are increasing by the day.
This is the schizo-kernel in Nick Land, this is the radical potential of theory-fiction as a whole: becoming-inhuman is smuggled
in through the margins, a surplus of Bataille will always remain.

off-topic (that's twice) but i wish Baudrillard or Deleuze or Barthes were alive to write some kind of text of What Capitalism Meant By This. like, what's really going on here. what are we saying with this. besides decadence, obviously. but which heavyweight French post-structuralist could have given me the real story about what is going on with something like this. i think Barthes is the guy i want here, nasal irrigation and the smooth flow of cleansing scientific progress passing through your skull, replacing congestion with clean and fresh nasal irrigation. capital at the cutting edge, right next to your brain. this is what i want for my fucking soul. can we just put the tubes in deeper, so that it cleans out my entire brain? just sucks all this bullshit right out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbVxQUI9FaE

>>12617114
>and continues this process of pure differences into his own system and explicitly rejects Hegel, and Landians read Hegel right back into it.
yes! this!

>The nature of Aufhaben is both to cancel out and preserve, which is exactly what Land did to Hegel and exactly what Landians do to Land.
aaaaaaahh! it's so true! ah, so good. Land would probably shit a brick if he thought people were using teleoplexy and dialectics interchangeably, but...why not?

i think i'm trying a different track these days myself, anyways, because...well, i don't know, just because. partly because the Landian blackpill has perhaps done its job for me in depriving both extreme left and extreme right socialism of their allure. i think on some deep level this was ultimately what i was looking for, and i think that's more or less been delivered.

the Hegel-Lacan bromance is well and truly a dope one.

>>12617139
>tfw someone replies to you with your own schizo-shitpost pasta

>>12617139
i'll be the first* one, this is a terrific post anon.
>edit: second

going to splice this one in here too, i check this guy's feed often also and i thought this was a neat Thought For The Day to have. i was thinking also that if this is indeed the case, AI might really be fucked! now the computers can have all of the horrible fucked-up misadventures with language that we have...

>>12617170
it's pasta

>>12617143
>Land would probably shit a brick if he thought people were using teleoplexy and dialectics interchangeably, but...why not?
I think there are also threads of this same tension in Deleuze as well. I think it simply might be impossible to overcome Hegel; after all, what is Hegel but the logic of overcoming?

>>12617190
well, salud to whoever wrote it, it's not even half-bad. good pasta must contain some element of the truth in it or it would not be memed. i wrote something that became pasta once, not deliberately. was quite proud to see it achieve minor pasta-status later on, however briefly.

it's the small things in life.

>>12617219
I wrote it, so thank you
>>12617161

>>12617218
>I think there are also threads of this same tension in Deleuze as well. I think it simply might be impossible to overcome Hegel; after all, what is Hegel but the logic of overcoming?
i've now read enough of Land and Deleuze (and Nietzsche, and Bergson, and Spinoza...clearly having decided to completely squander my life) to feel much more okay with Hegel now than i used to, because i think he really does make a lot of sense from the psychoanalytic perspective - that there is a thing in people, a thing that may well be a Phenomenology of Spirit trying to get out, a thing that does not take no for an answer...and i very much like the idea of being a kind of a part of that, in some sense, even just by talking with people about stuff.

it's a beautiful vision, in many ways. Landian stuff is dark as hell, but...i don't know, i find there's a horizon beyond which you can't *root* for the darkness. i understand why, perhaps, Deleuze loathed Hegel - perhaps we hate social justice inquisitions (or *any* kind of inquisition) in the same way today. this to me is completely understandable.

Landian capital strikes me as being the logic of psychic disorder. not that there's anything wrong with Land himslf, or capital, but the nightmare components. and again, Bataille here does *incredible* work in blowing up anything that wants to give itself the impression of being sacred, of combining petit-bourgeois sensibilities with industrial desperation, scapegoating, all kinds of other ideological modernism that ruins so many lives in the 20C. and today we find ourselves where we are, in Fallout mode.

but more ideology for me cannot be the fix. it can only be found through understanding, through grappling with one's own fantasies and desires. Land of course does not i think really give a fuck about any of this, he is kind of rooting for the collapse because Woke Protestantism bothers him so much. but i'm a lot more of a softie and a sentimentalist than he is. i share his total disgust for a few things, and i have also had a very powerful sense that something is profoundly fucked up with postmodernity, i had this even before i read him...

but wat do? wat do. it can't be more anger, it can't be more despair...it just can't be. Land is the fucking jam when it comes to being the Revenant, the brutal nemesis of postmodernity, Revenge of Modernity/Forgot About Unironic Marx Did You - but there is a horizon beyond which the open hand must be preferred to the closed fist. that's my own sense, anyways. and come on, romanticism is fucking great. it looks good in black, no doubt. but it looks good in other colors too.

>>12617222
you're very welcome! well done! i liked it.

>>12617143
>>12617219
following up with tensions in Deleuze (Miller translates alternating fluctuation literally as difference). Difference is equated with law in Hegelian dialectics: what is absolute difference but the underlying law of universal distinction?

>>12617248
forgot pic

What people like Land think the endpoint of Capital (tm) is:

>>12617272
vs. what the actual endpoint of Capital (tm) is:

>>12617245
More ideology might be a fix, but the trick is it cannot just be more of the same ideology. We need more ideologies, more experimentation, more becoming-other. One of the things that really sat with me after going down the Land-rabbit-hole is that philosophy cannot be seen as simply path(s) to understanding, but is instead revealed as complex sets of tools -- they do something. Neitzsche was wrong, we need more philosophical worker -- the trick is don't put them to construction. Give them a Deleuzian jackhammer and some Landian dynamite and see what you can make out of the rubble.

>>12617272
that's one for sure. that's the one Land *wants,* and - being him - he's unlikely to get it. shoop Xi Jinping's face in there as an alternate too.

there's a whole bunch of possibilities for how these things will shake out. there's also a horribly Super Friendly version of Shodan - Siri, or Alexa - which doesn't even have the good taste to oppress you in the way that would really make your dystopian cyberpunk fantasies come true, so that you could at least suffer like a Shadowrun LARPer!

the world is a cruel, strange, sad place...

>>12617248
>Difference is equated with law in Hegelian dialectics: what is absolute difference but the underlying law of universal distinction?
yeah. this is the big stuff. if you're looking for some seriously high-test continental fun, read into the Deleuze/Badiou stuff by Roffe or Crockett or whoever. about as mind-twisting as it gets.

>>12617277
>More ideology might be a fix, but the trick is it cannot just be more of the same ideology. We need more ideologies, more experimentation, more becoming-other.
yes. absolutely this.

>Neitzsche was wrong, we need more philosophical worker -- the trick is don't put them to construction.
ah, that's terrific! yes, i completely agree with this.

>Give them a Deleuzian jackhammer and some Landian dynamite and see what you can make out of the rubble.
yup. this is my feel also, there's something actually quite wonderful about the post-apoc world...you cannot LARP fascism after the bomb. i want to imagine that great fallout, not in a literal sense, but just in a metaphorical one, so that we can try some things out, without this crippling interior gravity about the Real...

demented lighthouse keeper, that's me. stay the night and enjoy scavenged rations and weird riddles, back to the trail with you tomorrow, adventurers.

>>12617313
>read into the Deleuze/Badiou stuff by Roffe or Crockett
ty for the recommendations

>>12617024
Anime, specifically "moe" shows are very much representations of schools of thought.
As we become distanced from the "human" self, and enter the true digital era problems arise.
The purpose of "moe" shows is to educate the masses on the inevitable downfall of humanity and its society.
>parmenidean onhology and cosmology (Madoka)
>heideggerian problem of "sein" (Blend S)
>nietzschean question of emotions (Doremi, K-On!)
>Shinto (Fun Fun Pharmacy)
>Leibniz's theoodicea (Girl's last tour)
>Spinoza (Clione no Akari)
>Theology (Gabriel Dropout)
>Rousseau's theory of childhood (Mitsuboshi)
>Saint Anselm's ontological argument (Kemono Friends, Isekai wa Smartphone)
>Posthuman transgression of incest (OreImo)
>Masks, performance, society (Sartrean 'L'enfer c'est les autres') (Eromanga sensei)
>hypothetical epistemologic simulations (Aho Girl)

>>12617313
it came up in one of the other threads that Brassier was shitting on, well, basically all the Space Taoism threads - 'an online orgy of stupidity' and a panpsychism borrowed from process metaphysics and whatever else. i read this and thought, yeah, well, okay. maybe he's right about that.

but i think it's okay, even necessary. this is i think a reasonably good time for Mad Science and whatever else. kind of open-source ontology and whatever percolates up from the abyss - i mean, if there *is* an abyss in this world, it's got to be 4chan, right? and yet the abyss, you know. the abyss really does have its charms. who knows, maybe it looks like a Gu Wenda painting also. Taoists are agreeable folk. they do not refuse to teach Sun Wukong, and - being a monkey - he is a brilliant pupil...

i intend to collate my thoughts about the Journey to the West and Hegel at some point too.

>>12617315
no probs, here's another one. Brassier himself:
https://plijournal.com/files/Pli_10_11_Brassier.pdf

>>12617329
incredibly based

>>12617329
>hypothetical epistemologic simulations
what?

>>12617329
this is a fucking tremendous list, i bow down before this erudition

>>12616083
>non-meme answer
It's not non-meme if you're consistently the guy who needs 7 times as much space for his post than necessary

>>12617871
>It's not non-meme if you're consistently the guy who needs 7 times as much space for his post than necessary
i probably am that guy. i posts the big'uns, mostly filled with hot air. i don't really know why i do this either

>>12615241
>reading Deleuze and Guattari without reading Freud and Lacan first

>>12612970
Exit level. based and redpilled.

Bump

>>12613046
>>12613241
>>12613357
>>12615129
calm DOWN lads haha!

>>12613046
cringed but redpilled

>>12615294
This picture is taken from the phare des baleins in Île de Ré, and one mile to the east there is a very nice surf spot that works very well when the swell reaches a minimum of 10 second period. Also it works better with southern winds, making it the only good place to surf in the area when the wind is 25 knots south. Winter surf spot mostly.

>>12612320
Fisher > Land. Yeah, he's not meme material, but he was a precious sadboy.

You barely need anything other than the man himself. He is very easy to understand.

>>12612320
You dump him in the trash and get right with Aristotle.

>>12619506
why not do this after reading him tho? Land makes Aristotle look even better.

but why the hell would anyone read Land... no don't tell me he's intellectual. I read some of his blog posts and the guy is flat out racist. that's pretty fucked up.

>>12619650
big of true

>>12619684
i think it is, honestly. that's basically the trajectory: Land more or less seals the deal for the future history of socialism and capital as teleoplexy and intelligence production: there's absolutely no reason at all at that point to not read Aristotle, especially if you are now mercifully relieved of the need to ask yourself - but what is it *good* for, in the usual-reflexive sense of a Great Emancipation or whatever.

that's the about-face that more or less turns Young Nick into Old Nick. down at the bottom of hell, when it's just you and Georges Bataille having lunch in R'lyeh, a life not completely possessed by swarms and demons and capital seems attractive. if you can crawl out of that hole a life virtuously lived seems a lot more sensible. if i wanted to get people to look into the classics without feeling at the back of my mind some need to say What The Classics Are Good For i would probably start with the future history of capital, or use Landian stuff as a primer. now you actually have a reason not to go fucking insane.

the left taking on Land as a thought leader is hilarious. especially with it being a bunch of tranny programmers writing up screeds that are really just excuses for not passing

>>12619707
i am now quietly wishing for a shoop of the /acc School of Athens in which all of the heads are swapped. i think at the centre instead of Plato and Aristotle it's Land and Negarestani, and then you can put the heads of all the other guys around as you wish: Fisher, Plant, Thiel, Nick Szabo, Justin Murphy, SHODAN, whoever else.

also i would probably change the backdrop from the nice Grecian context to a scene from Blade Runner. maybe some art-school grad student can do this.

the classics are based, but that's part of the enduring credit of Land, the crusty old boomer that he now is: he gives you a reason to read them unironically once again (if you were so degenerate as to require this in the first place).

>>12619711
the worst of all worlds is the one in which the left co-opts the revolutionary ghost of Young Nick and the right invokes the Old Nick he became. it would be Game of Thrones for acceleration, the dreaded Land Wars.

>>12619811
>The year is 2122. Neo Shanghai. Anime is real. The hyperstition of old vs young Landians is boiling with virtual/actual chaos, and the pressure hits critical. Turing cops surround the apartment, your waifu calls out from the navi, reminding you of the price of failure. Footsteps in the stairwell. You insert her backup nanosata into your anal cavity no lube and make your way to the window. You slap the emergency neodymium magnet to your VDD and leap into the neon future.

>>12619835
>>12619811
China is currently looking at the barrel end of a double sawed off nuclear shotgun of Trump's 25% tariff threat. China will *not survive* it if he pulls the trigger.

Nick's prediction can all be undone by reality TV star steak salesman in 10 days.

I bet he never saw that happen!

>>12619858
by many metrics China has already surpassed the US economically

>>12619858
Land and Calvin have the same weakness: neither can imagine anything more powerful than depravity.

>>12619835
>you insert her backup nanosata into your anal cavity no lube and make your way to the window.
...it's *showtime.*

fucking 10/10 thanks for the laugh anon

>>12619895
>Land and Calvin have the same weakness: neither can imagine anything more powerful than depravity.
now that is a hell of a good line. based anon

>>12619858
>Nick's prediction can all be undone by reality TV star steak salesman in 10 days.
this post also made me chuckle. /lit/ is on fire today

>>12619888
That's irrelevant here.
>>12619895
>>Land and Calvin have the same weakness: neither can imagine anything more powerful than depravity
Elaborate?

>§5.8 — Whether history ‘in general’ is anything other than the history of money remains an open question. Certainly, the distinction between ‘history’ and ‘pre-history’ seems to have been decided by monetary innovation. The earliest digital recordings are accounts.[1] In the beginning was the registry. If this distribution of emphasis seems unbalanced, the fact that – in our own time – a distributed ledger manifests primarily as a monetary innovation tends, nevertheless, to vindicate it. Commentary in the “Bitcoin is about much more than money” vein, while copious, also comes later. The monetary model sets the matrix.

from
http://www.ufblog.net/
obviously.

kind of out of nowhere, this is the kind of place where questions of memory, recording, consciousness, technology and time become interesting also. in the other Cosmotechnics thread (https://boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/12617504)) Land retweeted a spooky remark by ZeroHPLovecraft about the encephalization of capital and so on. these are the kinds of AI/singularity/w/ev questions that get one's continental noggin joggin'.

when we talking about money, memory, technology, and so on, where are the new lines and distinctions to be made? are there any? what is being recorded, what is being exchanged, what is the best way to describe these processes, where are they heading, what do they emerge from? all of this stuff.

do I read Nietzsche
- with irony
- with sarcasm
- straight

>>12620051
yes

>>12620051
You read him without irony, without sarcasm and also gay!

>>12620058
I have no understanding of his historical context but he appears to be ironic shitposting a lot.

>>12620062
Ironic shitposting is Kierkegaard actually. Nietzsche is a weirdo but he means it.

>>12620071
Hah, I have SK in my queue too.
I am not just sure how much of Twilight of Idols I can take with straight face.

>>12620082
Wait until you get to The Antichrist! :^)

>>12620088
I read it and I don't have necessary IQ and literacy background to decide just how many layers of sarcasm and irony there are in it, or if it is straight faced thesis.

>>12620100
You're overthinking, it's just Nietzsche being edgy.

>>12612320
u dont

>>12620103
I can't into German, but the FN English translations I've read, read all very fast, easily, 'fun'. Was his German 'simplified' in this sense, like polemics? When I read Heidegger in English it was constant headaches.

Is "WANDERING EARTH" good scifi novel? A film version was released this year.

>>12620128
Yeah, Nietzsche reads like essays most of the time. If you are into german philosophy in general you'll be able to get when he is making references to mostly Shopenhauer and Hegel, but he is famous for his stylistic.
There are some differences between the text he wrote himself by hand, the text he wrote on typewriter and text that Sybile typed for him, but he as the rebel he was, was trying to depart from the academic discourse of his time

Heidegger to me was okay in his shorter text like those about Truth and Poetry, but I haven't read Being and Time.

>>12620192
i've rarely heard anyone complain about the Three Body Problem, and it's written by the same guy. going to predict it's pretty good.

>>12620289
Last time I read fiction was when /lit/ originally meme'd me into Blood Meridian sometime years and years ago, I just can't be bothered much with fiction and new books, so this is double bad indicator for me, but Land recommended it in some Twitter thread

>>12620300
Blood Meridian is great tho. i can't speak to Liu's books because i haven't read them myself, but the adaptations look pretty good and so do the books. sometimes /lit/ actually knows what it is talking about

>>12620300
reminder that Blood Meridian was the first work of accelerationist theory-fiction

>>12620319
Loved Blood Meridian, and Book of the New Sun. But got too much autism to read and can't spend time with fiction..

>>12620337
that book was so good

>>12620344
>>12620337
The opening page is a jaw dropper. When he meets the man in the hut and sleeps there, Judge tossing dogs in the river, kid meeting the pile of bones.. so many great passages.

>>12620342
i honestly don't have much patience for fiction either, i prefer philosophy stuff. but i especially like those works that seem to understand my obsessions and fixations better than i understand them myself.

Land isn't a cozy author. Heidegger, Lacan and Girard all gave me a feeling of *relief* when i read them, the sense of going, oh, fucking awesome, at least somebody understands these phobias and pathologies that i have. i'm re-reading this rn and it feels pretty good like that. maybe because i am just in some deep level so utterly narcissistic that i need an ultra-narcissist like Lacan to convince me that i'm much less special than i think i am. i'm fine with this!

everybody's different tho. i like Land because he's a true monster, Revenge of Modernity, writ large, and death to irony. sometimes irony just leaves you feeling like you're drowning. but there's another aspect of this too, which is - once you have had enough of /acc to flush out the neoliberal bullshit, the radical left bullshit and even the far-right bullshit (although Land of course is going to say the far right's bullshit is more agreeable than the others) you (read: me) drift back towards a kind of a floaty central place, where you can engage with ideas without getting trigged or possessed or revolted or seduced by them. that's my own arc, anyways.

>>12620371
top-5 novels of the 20C for me, maybe top 3. i was completely thunderstruck.

>>12620381
fwiw my list for fiction (and i have shit taste in fiction) would probably be something like, in no particular order

>Blood Meridian
>Glass Bead Game
>Magic Mountain
>Ulysses
>LOTR

with an honorable mention for Watchmen in there somewhere. i'm also a total meme and i haven't read Proust or a shitload of other contenders.

>>12620413
I don't read fiction at all outside special cases like Blood Meridian since it was so meme'd. Couldn't even give you a top 3 desu.

>>12618583
kk, good to know it's nice.
It's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnoidal_wave

>>12617329
Okay, watched the first episode of Clione no Akari. Not sure what to think of it or what mood I should give myself into.
I find it pretty weird that anime must always play in a high school setting..

>>12620419
Top 5 Lists when it comes to literature are completely pointless pseudery anyhow.

>>12620456
my top 3 fiction would probably include metal gear solid 2

>>12613046
based and Konakapilled
watch Lain as well as anything else Chiaki J Konaka has written for

>>12620475
that's a good one! if we're including games it's a whole new world, i doubt there is a bigger homer for FF6 to be found on this board. Planescape: Torment deserves all the hype it gets also.

>>12613046
Deleuze isnt' a mess. What is so hard. Ooga booge other invades and its divisive. there.

> "What I will suggest you to do is to watch a 22-episode anime TV series titled Texhnolyze. Texhnolyze has many of the same themes that appear in Fanged Noumena, and, in my opinion, handles them much better than Land does."

Fuck I have never watched anime.

DO I have to watch now?

>>12620506
I should really play that game, because it is exactly the type of game I would enjoy but this knowledge of this absolute assurance that I would enjoy it has kept me out of it for reasons like 'save it for rainy day' or 'well I already know I will like it so why bother' lmao

>>12620513
which one, Planescape? i actually felt much the same way, i only did a full playthrough of it a few years ago, the extended edition. but it completely stunned me. it's worth a playthrough, doesn't take all that long.

same thing for Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. the lore and the tech-quotes...even though the interface is very dated and i played on easymode i just needed to take a walk after the game was finished. pure SF goodness overload, straight to the brain. all hype warranted.

>>12620506
The character of General Leo is problematic and the game should probably be banned.

>>12620552
General Leo did absolutely nothing wrong
>the game should probably be banned
congratulations asshole you trigged me so hard my gender just changed again

>>12620538
Planescape yeah.

>>12620597
also i still find it enduringly cool that there is a Heidegger in FF7 and an Emperor Gestahl/Gestell in 6

looks like i'll be putting off suicide until at least one more playthrough

>>12620610
get on it boyo. it's a legit great game. not so much if you are looking for hack and slash, but there are a thousand simulators of this. there is but one game about changing the nature of a man

>>12620491
Texhnolyze is probably my least favourite of Konaka's work, but Lain and Rahxephon are masterpieces

>>12620742
this is the first and most crucial step in becoming non-NPC

>>12612320
Why would you waste your time with this guy, he worked for the Chinamen in Shanghai University. He's just another philosopher (ie moron).

>>12620760
why must you torment us with this terrible certainty Vizzini

we are but pairs of ragged claws, scuttling across the floors of silent seas.

What exactly is teleoplexy?

I've read some stuff, but none of it is coming together to form a proper clear notion.

And even worse, the whole templexity thing, what the hell does he even mean by all that near time travel tier stuff.

>>12620807
§09. Teleoplexy, or (self-reinforcing) cybernetic intensification, describes the wave-length of machines, escaping in the direction of extreme ultra-violet, among the cosmic rays. It correlates with complexity, connectivity, machinic compression, extropy, free energy dissipation, efficiency, intelligence, and operational capability, defining a gradient of absolute but obscure improvement that orients socio-economic selection by market mechanisms, as expressed through measures of productivity, competitiveness, and capital asset value.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u0CQDUgOfCJFoxX2rkdf5oC6kPk_cF7J/view

>>12620807
Templexity is a whole other thing (although you can actually find a PDF of Land's book on that in the same mega YH's book is in). i want to say it's something like an irony: the more accurately we learn to be able to measure, chart, use or manipulate time, the more we wind up creating time, a time that seems to be increasingly used to fuel and further technology's automatic production of itself. we create time-spirals out of our desire to know how time works, such that the process of time exploration winds up confirming us as being in some ways necessary parts of a question about time that always needs to be answered.

something like that, maybe...the kinds of things that only Uncle Nick can do.

>§7.8 Though staged as a break from the cycles of time, modernization is more realistically envisaged as a flight into cyclicity. Its primary signature – accelerating change – is itself a product of non-linear functions (epitomized by exponentiation). The modern, industrial economy tends inexorably to the self- exciting circuit of the robotic robot factory, and its autonomization is accompanied by strengthening quasi-periodic oscillations – business cycles, and long waves. As its culture folds back upon itself, it proliferates self-referential models of a cybernetic type, attentive to feedback-sensitive self-stimulating or auto-catalytic systems. The greater the progressive impetus, the more insistently cyclicity returns. To accelerate beyond light-speed is to reverse the direction of time. Eventually, in science fiction, modernity completes its process of theological revisionism, by re-discovering eschatological culmination in the time-loop. Judgment Day. The end comes when the future reaches back, to seize us.

the book is really good, quite short.

>>12620818
I mean, I've read this before, but again, the term just seems to be an abstraction of various things, just a phrase for his entire ''system''. And sure in itself it makes sense, but I'm wondering how fixed this, in the sense of classical teleology, is supposed to be. And again, what is it with the time reversal, which also begets a telos reversal, how the fuck does something arrive from the future, is it just a fancy turn of phrase, though consistent, changing nothing at all in the way things operate.

>>12620861
Alright, this is quite clear.

>>12620861
the Land-Heidegger relation is right there, in a way. if Teleoplexy is Land's way of presenting a horrible version of Hegel by putting Marx on fast-forward and taping the button down, Templexity is how it feels when the future starts closing the loop on the past.

it's like a horrible version of Hegel or Heidegger, where Spirit and/or Being basically beat the shit out of you because they were betrayed (or maybe they were always something other than we wanted them to be).

somebody had to write this stuff.

>>12620882
here's a more comprehensive definition, and from the book.

>§8.5 Modernity only linearizes in order to delinearize more thoroughly. The descendant of the thermodynamic time-gradient is cybernetics, based upon the formulation of thermic regulation through feedback (the steam-engine ‘governor’), and ascending through increasingly sophisticated models of entropy dissipation – or local entropy decrease – into the mathematical sciences of turbulence, chaos, complex systems, self-organization, individuation, and emergent (or spontaneous) order. The abstract object of all such studies is the convergent wave, characterizing all natural process with reverse time-signature. Any such local inversion of the arrow of time is produced by an exportation of entropy, conducted by a dissipative system, or real time machine. These systems typify the self-assembling units of biological and social organization – cells, organisms, eco-systems, tribes, cities, and (market) economies. In each case, an individuating complex machine swims against the cosmic (global) current, piloted by feedback circuitry that dumps internal disorder into an external sink. The cosmic time-economy is conserved, in aggregate, but becomes ever more unevenly distributed as local complexity is enhanced. Self-cultivating – or auto-productive – complexity is time disintegration (templexity).

>§9.0 Real templexity cannot be time-travel. The same natural- scientific conceptual apparatus that enables its formulation simultaneously installs the principles of thermodynamic economy that discipline its models. When rigorously stressed under logical examination, however, time-travel drama tends to release abstract diagrams that converge upon real potentialities. Most significantly, it arrives – through pure fictional hypothesis – at a schematics of auto-production.

>§9.1 The auto-productive potential of time-travel circuitry attains exact conceptual specification in the Bootstrap Paradox. Wikipedia provides a succinct illustration: "A man travels back in time and falls in love with and marries a woman, who he later learns was his own mother, who then gives birth to him. He is therefore his own father and, because of this, also his own grandfather, great-grandfather, great-great grandfather, great- great-great grandfather and so on, making his ancestry infinite, and also giving him no origin for his paternal genetic material.” The Oedipus myth echoes this structure so closely it is tempting to consider it a model of the Bootstrap Paradox, unfolded into disentangled time. It illustrates templex auto-production in a dramatic, anthropological form.

>gabidull zo bad id gud

>machins in machins, momy-papa ib jus flo ov disire

>>12620946
i might have used more thematically appropriate art tho...

You guys are aware this guy is racist, right?

>>12620999
if you discriminate against human existence itself as artfully and methodically as Land does i believe you are entitled to a social justice hall pass. the man is being called home to R'lyeh. let him be

also i suspect that this is bait anyways so well played anon

>>12621023
No, I just don't think bigots have any place in the modern lexicon. Kind of confused why this is so hard for people to understand.

>>12620597
General Leo reifies existing power structures (imperial, military, patriarchy) by perpetuating the notion that some of the bad guys are good.
Gogo’s lack of dialogue is trans erasure. This game is full of problems and doesn’t have a place in today’s diverse world.

>>12621039
>No, I just don't think bigots have any place in the modern lexicon.
that's fine, i also think we shouldn't ask for moral puritanism either. and there has to be something more interesting than race also. i think time and technology fits the bill.

race and bigotry exist all over the place. they are grave human ills. but it doesn't mean conversations about other topics - ones that i think are much more fruitful - need to be subordinated to expectations that philosophers must also be paragons of virtue as virtue is construed in the 21C.

do you extend this logic to Plato, Kant, Descartes and Heidegger (don't answer this, it's rhetorical)? they all had beliefs that would have been fairly questionable by today's standards. it's the ideas that matter. we can all discuss these. character assessments are not required.

ideas > feels

>>12621060
hyuk hyuk

>>12621039
just so you know Nick Land started off as a radical leftist and was both a xenofeminist and an afrofutrist

>>12621139
where someone "starts" really doesn't matter... hate is hate. I thought we'd moved past this but I guess I was wrong.

>>12621100
>we shouldn't ask for moral puritanism either
Since when is not being a racist, bigoted nazi "moral puritanism." No, I don't think I'm gonna sign onto that.

the rest of your post is gobbledygook.

>>12621162
But what about reading his leftist stuff? Fanged Noumena has none of his twitter racism in it

>>12621165
No, I don't think I'm gonna sign onto that.
cool, see ya

wtf dude looks like Ted Bundy

>>12621169
I don't care how good his old books are. We need to draw a line in the sand with people like this.

I don't want to hear about how "cool" Land's old books are. No, they're just preludes to homophobia, bigotry, and racism and and people sitting around on this forum pretending otherwise are part of the problem.

It's amazing how hard this is to explain to people.

>>12621100
Also, the only POC in the game(!), Dadaluma, is a street criminal. What?
The character, Locke is a glorification of Enlightenment values of white people stealing things that don’t belong to them. What if Locke were black? Would he still be a hero? Or would he, like Dadaluma, be just another NPC for the (white, male) gamer to mow down?
And don’t get me started on Kefka, a very homophobic construct.

I've literally had enough of this shit. Nick Land is a bigot.

>>12621207
Thanks for the larp.

>>12621190
you forgot Vargas, who is gripped by a tragic will to usurp his own master. sad really. i don't think being POC had anything to do with it tho. pretty sure he was just a kung-fu guy

>>12621207
what does it mean to 'literally' have enough shit? do you actually have handfuls of shit in your hands? have you been terribly misinformed about what shitposting means?

>>12621216
yikes.

>>12621186
what is your opinion on Homer's Odyssey?

>>12621234
Vargas reinforces stereotypes that POC are violent and poor students.
This game is disgusting.

>let's make everything even worse without even trying to justify it the way basic bitch libertarians do
There I saved you however long it'll take to actually read him.

>>12621186
seething Shut Down LD50'er

>>12621186
Land and his followers are fucking gay but at least they're not (You) lmao

>>12617272
>>12617273
both are,brainlet

>>12621405
>Vargas reinforces stereotypes that POC are violent and poor students.
i don't have this stereotype at all, nor is it in any way implied by the game's story. Vargas isn't even a poor student, he's an excellent one. that is indeed his problem. nor does his violence have anything to do with his skin color - to say nothing of the fact that they're learning martial arts, ffs. what if he simply chooses to exceed his limits? these things happen. Kefka chooses to do this also. race has nothing to do with any of this, or gender, and anything you are reading into this is entirely your own. Duncan doesn't give a shit what color he is. my guess would be that all he cares about is who can do the techniques.

>And don’t get me started on Kefka, a very homophobic construct.
this would be interesting if Kefka being gay had anything to do with his character or why he does what he does. he's experimented on by Cid - don't you know the lore? nobody cares about his sexuality, it's his proficiency with magic that actually matters. he's really fucking good at magic. and he blows up the world too, but what does this have to do with his sexuality? there's nothing in here about hating gay people. people are perhaps predisposed not to like him because he blows up the world. but this is because FF6 is a story about nihilism at bottom.

>The character, Locke is a glorification of Enlightenment values of white people stealing things that don’t belong to them.
hilarious

>What if Locke were black? Would he still be a hero?
General Leo is black, and guess what? nobody fucking cares. the appeal of hacking the game to recruit Leo comes from the fact that he's *awesome,* not because of his skin color.

i honestly can't believe you think these things are for real, like anyone would be dumb enough to unironically conflate White with Hero and Black with Evil. it's so mind-bogglingly stupid i can only assume you are just bored out of your mind...or at least as bored as i am...

>Or would he, like Dadaluma, be just another NPC for the (white, male) gamer to mow down?
Dadaluma's fucking cool. i wish i could recruit him as a secret character. i'd prefer that i *didn't* have to kill him so that i could add him to the party instead - again, and not to fill out a demographic quota. i just think having a martial-arts crime boss from Zozo would be cool.

i can't even get mad at this stuff anon, it's just too silly. but if you feel you need to talk about it more, go nuts.

>>12620511
There's been more than 5000 anime made during the last half a century or so.
Out of those, the only ones I'd ever recommend anyone to watch are:
Serial Experiments Lain
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Legend of Galactic Heroes
Revolutionary Girl Utena
Mushishi
Texhnolyze
Lain and Texhnolyze are completely unlike any comedy or SOL anime both in terms of tone and characters. They can actually be taken seriously, no different from many live action films.

>>12622031
OK LETS TALK ABOUT FUCKING EDGAR. Edgar, a privileged, white male, is described as a “ladies man.” Because of the power balance inherent in him being a King, it is heavily implied that he is, in fact, a serial rapist. From his unearned privilege, his sexual rapacity, to his proficiency with “Tools” (hello, Freud), he is the perfect embodiment of toxic male fantasy. He even thinks about RAPING a little girl! On screen! This game is not even hiding it!

>>12621039
I think Land is an evil to take note of in the same way as Liam Neeson, only in reverse: Neeson is mortified by his past bigotry, seeking to make amends, while Land descends so unapologetically into radical territory that his racism becomes a byproduct of his amorality and "visionary" (race realist) future. I don't condone his current beliefs in the slightest, but the progression of his thought is important towards understanding the failures of the left and progressivism in general. It is they who opened up the pandora's box to precisely this kind of thinking

>>12622109
Edgar is indeed a ladies' man. this is part of his personality. and for him this does not spark joy. you are also overlooking the fact that he rigs the coin toss with his brother so that his brother can do what he actually wants to do, which is be free...like all of the characters in the game, each is struggling with nihilism in their own way.

>From his unearned privilege, his sexual rapacity, to his proficiency with “Tools” (hello, Freud), he is the perfect embodiment of toxic male fantasy. He even thinks about RAPING a little girl! On screen! This game is not even hiding it!
i'm starting to understand this now. clearly i am being a killjoy here and pouring cold war on your hysterical need to uncover a conspiracy in the heart of the game.

the game is about war and nihilism, not phallogocentrism. it's about the War of Magi and the repetition of history, the impossibility of reducing Espers to magicite, the dangers of experimental science, and lots of other stuff. you are just reaching like a mofo to turn a lovely banquet into a shitty microwave dinner. the Espers can never be fully integrated into the World of Balance, and attempts to do so are what produce the World of Ruin. we might, instead of immanentizing the eschaton, rather understand that it would be better to let each other be...

every time i remember nick land's twitter handle this starts playing in my head
https://youtu.be/OmYoOFHfJwA
and it completely diminishes the lovecraftian horror vibe he's always affecting
of an era, i guess

>>12622177
'intersectional nihilism' is not a well-known term, but it's not the worst way to describe the relation of the characters. the more interesting question here is whether or not the irrepressible schizo avatar of difference and multiplicity torpedoes any possible accelerationist techno-fantasy also, and i would say the answer is yes. that's the real stomach-punch of the game: art saves, but not in the way one would like. it's their misfortune to survive failed dreams, the loss of loved ones, even armageddon.

Kefka is the one who contributes one of the greatest pieces of technology to that world - the slave crown. but he is a puppet who pulls his own strings, and a true abomination for that reason. he's also exactly what would have troubled Heidegger, had he lived in that world: a complete expressiveness, a transgression and overcoming of all signs, even history itself, and through him the apocalypse repeats itself, this time as farce, which makes it even worse: this time the Warring Triad aren't even involved, and the whole thing is a grotesque squandering and a parody. he spawns a meme cult and tears up the post-apoc universe like a lunatic, because ultimately he has nothing to live for but this.

he even says as much at the the end: hate-hate-hate-hate-hate. that is a much more honest commentary about the nature of hate, not even hate of any particular thing, but the hatred of love itself, or the love of hatred, and he howls it from atop of a mountain of scrap where the centre of the empire used to be. identity politics would bore him to death.

i know, i know, i shouldn't go on like this. but seriously, there's more truth in this game than in a dozen third-rate academic papers on Land or even Heidegger. there's no cure for what Kefka has, because the fact is that he's seeing the world more clearly than most: what's the hot fix for nihilism? is there one? what do you do with the transcendental schizo-artist-terrorist? those are exactly the kinds of things that bothered Heidegger about Nietzsche...and yet somehow they escape from the crumbling tower, in the end, and on to whatever comes after. Kefka is the greatest villain in vidya because industrial postmodernity is truly a force beyond compare, as much as the Revolution was for the 19C. that's what makes the game so great. it asks questions we are still struggling to answer.

>>12622620
This is a beautiful poast.

>>12622739
i'd be happy to share the rest of the story, part of my own feeling for this game and the philosophy at work in it. excerpts from Deleuze's book on Leibniz:

1/4
>For some time now the idea of an infinite universe has been hypothesized, a universe that has lost all centre as well as any figure that could be attributed to it; but the essence of the Baroque is that it is given unity, through a projection that emanates from a summit as a point of view. For some lime the world has been understood on a theatrical basis, as a dream, an illusion - as Harlequin's costume, as Leibniz would say.

>But the essence of the Baroque entails neither falling into nor emerging from illusion but rather realizing something in illusion itself, or of tying it to a spiritual presence that endows its spaces and fragments with a collective unity. The prince of Hamburg, and all of Kleist's characters, are not so much Romantic as they are Baroque heroes. Prey to the giddiness of minute perceptions, they endlessly reach presence in illusion, in vanishment, in swooning, or by converting illusion into presence: Penthesilea-Theresa?

>The Baroque artists know well that hallucination does not feign presence, but that presence is hallucinatory.

>>12622907
2/4

>Even compressed, folded, and enveloped, elements are powers that enlarge and distend the world. It hardly suffices to speak of a succession of limits or of frames, for every frame marks a direction of space that coexists with the others, and each form is linked to unlimited space in all directions at once. It is a broad and floating world, at least on its base, a scene or an immense plateau. But this continuity of the arts, this collective unity in extension, goes out and beyond, toward an entirely different unity that is comprehensive and spiritual, punctual, is indeed conceptual: the world as a pyramid or a cone, that joins its broad material base, lost in vapors, to an apex, a luminous origin or a point of view.

>Leibniz's world is one that encounters no difficulty in reconciling full continuity in extension with the most comprehensive and tightly knit individuality. Bernini's Saint Theresa does not find her spiritual unity in the satyr's little arrow, that merely spreads fire, but in the upper origin of the golden rays above.

>>12622912
this one is truly wild.

3/4
>The resolution of dissonance is tantamount to displacing pain, to searching for the major accord with which it is consonant. Just as the martyr knows how to do it at the highest point and, in that way, not suppress pain itself, but suppress resonance or resentment, by avoiding passivity, by pursuing the effort to suppress causes, even if the martyr's force of opposition is not attained. All of Leibniz's theory of evil is a method to prepare for and to resolve dissonances in a "universal harmony.” A counterexample would be furnished by the damned. whose souls produce a dissonance on a unique note, a breath of vengeance or resentment, a hate of God that goes to infinity; but it is still a form of music, a chord - though diabolical- since the damned draw pleasure from their very pain. and especially make possible the infinite progression of perfect accords in the other souls.

>Such is the first aspect of harmony, which Leibniz calls spontaneity. The monad produces accords that are made and are undone, and yet that have neither beginning nor end, that are transformed each into the other or into themselves, and that tend toward a resolution or a modulation. For Leibniz even the diabolical accord can be transformed. It is because the monad is expression; it expresses the world from its own point of view (and musicians such as Rameau forever underscore the expressive character of the chord). Point of view signifies the selection that each monad exerts on the whole world that it is including, so as to extract accords from one part of the line of infinite inflection that makes up the world.

>Thus the monad draws its accords from its own depths.

>>12622917
4/4

>There exists a second aspect of harmony.

>Spontaneity is tantamount to the production of each monad's inner accords on its absolute surface. Concertation amounts to the correspondence according to which there can be no major and perfect accord in a monad unless there is a minor or dissonant accord in another, and inversely. All combinations are possible without there ever being same accord in two monads. Each monad spontaneously produces its accords, but in correspondence with those of the other. Spontaneity is the inner or sufficient reason applied to monads. And concertation is this same reason applied to spatiotemporal relations that follow from the monads. If space-time is not an empty area, but the order of coexistence and the succession of monads themselves, the order has to be marked out, oriented, vectored; in the instance of each monad movement has to go from the more-clear monad to the less-clear monad, or from the perfected accord to the less-perfected accord, for the clearest or the most perfected is reason itself. In the expression "preestablished hamony," "preestablished" is no less important than "harmony." Harmony is twice preestablished: by virtue of each expression, of each expressant that owes only to its own spontaneity or interiority, and by virtue of the common expression that establishes the concert of all these expressive spontaneities. It is as if Leibniz were delivering us an important message about communication: don't complain about not having enough communication, for there is always plenty of it. Communication seems to be of a constant and preestablished quantity in the world, akin to a sufficient reason.

things like this are why Deleuze was a genius, Leibniz was a genius, and FF6 is one fucking interesting game.

>>12622923
oh yeah, and fuck identity politics too. Baroque surrealism > postmodernity.

>The question always entails living in the world, but Stockhausen's musical habitat or Dubuffet's plastic habitat do not allow the differences of inside and outside, of public and private. to survive. They identify variation and trajectory, and overtake monadology with a "nomadology." Music has stayed at home: what has changed now is the organization of the home and its nature. We are all still Leibnizian, although accords no longer convey our world or our text. We are discovering new ways of folding, akin to new envelopments, but we all remain Leibnizan because what always matters is folding, unfolding, refolding.

let's not get retardedly hung up on identity markers that do not even scratch the top of the iceberg of a universe well and truly unbounded at its highest levels from anything like cohesion in, by or through anything other than music. and also, no War of the Magi redux, plz.

>>12615000
Are you schizo anon? Nice writeup

>>12622963
i'm girardfag, 5 o'clock schizo-wojak is a different person.

>>12616963
>>12616973
Based pasta

>>12617034
This is art

>>12617329
Oh anon, please don’t hurt me with your superior intellect. I bow down to my based and redpilled intellectual overlord

it's the overturning of postmodernity itself which is the most important task for philosophy today, because it is anything but postmodern now. it's just modernity with a giant asterisk beside it. and it cannot be done by reifying the same metaphysics of presence that got us into this jam in the first place, and which are manifest nowhere so clearly as in idpol. they exist also in Landian acceleration too, imho; Landian capital is the yin to intersectional yang.

i think intersectional nihilism in a world quietly more Baroque than we realize is a far better look all round. Nietzsche himself is the spectre everyone has to wrestle with; like Kefka, he always wins. Heidegger has a pretty good rejoinder to him, but Heidegger's sensibilities are also always a shade too close to the Third Reich, and on top of that, there's his intimations about the Gestell, and Land absolutely knows exactly why that is. Land elected to plunge into the whirlwind, and i'll give that one irritating anon credit for at least this much: it's true, he winds up dwelling in some rather unsavory territory, if you are inclined towards Boring Centrism and not, you know, wanting to see the world as lacking a racial holy war. i do not feel this.

but what i do feel is that we are heading down the path to ruination as things are being done presently, and precisely because our supposedly baked-in incredulity towards metanarrative has only recently reversed itself, and now - what a surprise! - it is fidelity to narratives that must be preached. this is why race and gender are anathema to me. they never fail to turn three-dimensional thought into two-dimensional thought, they are precisely the abyss that turns one into a monster. it monstrified Land and it monstrifies those who hate Land also for exposing the brutal truth about the machines we are presently bound to serve, because we are still stuck in the same ungodly time-loop we have been in for two centuries, and which is petit-bourgeois through and through.

the apocalypse is already here; this is what it looks like. the right way to get through it is by coming to a sense that the contradictions within it are features and not bugs. trying to erase the bugs by way of old-school modernist witch-hunting guarantees that they will repeat themselves over and over and over again. that too was part of the message of that game: the Warring Triad voluntarily disarmed (after press-ganging no end of demihumans into a holy war). they might have remained that way, but fate had other plans.

for at least one turbopseud with too much time on his hands, greatest game ever, greatest villain ever, best story ever, full stop period.

This has been a great thread. I’m gonna miss you guys.

>>12615241
>>12615289

I would think that some reading of Capital & Interest by Bohm von Bawerk is needed too.

i want to share a weird anecdote. i just got Netflx, and as you're browsing through the films some of them have trailers and some do not, but there's clearly a button you can use there to press if you want to watch the movie or the trailer. there also appears to be a new feature: if you just leave the screen on, the movie begins to play itself anyways. i didn't press 'watch trailer,' and i didn't press 'watch movie.' somebody basically just decided - hey, well, why don't we just start the film for you? and i watched probably half an hour just kind of amazed that this happensed at all.

so now, play along with me a little. imagine if advertisements worked like this. you look at it, it responds. the ad knows you are watching, you can signal with your hands, your eyes, whatever. a ghostly little AI just senses that you are looking at a thing, and reveals wonders to you. go a step further: your credit card is always-already wired into the mediadrome in which you live, such that to look at the add is to be billed a few microcoins: after all, there's no such thing as a free lunch in this world. you look at, it moves, you're already buying, you're already a part of the thing. no difference between ads and products in this sense, if we're talking about what is essentially hypno-manipulation. is this a movie, or is it an ad for Givenchy? maybe you're not really sure, and maybe that's just fine. enter the New World Sensorium in this way.

to look is to consume, and to look is to be looked at. i can't fucking wait until the AI learns to hack my browser history and subtly load these ads with all of the cues picked up from my Pornhub links, exactly as in Ex Machina. why not? i'm ready for this seduction. it's like Cypher's steak.

the idea of hovering over a movie screen and debating whether or not i want to watch it or not just gets subtly solved by an algorithm that says, 'fuck it, let's just start the movie anyways and you can decide later.' how fucking smart was that idea? the choice to watch or not to watch was really an illusion, the thing plays itself while you're waiting to make up your mind. what happens when ads themselves just learn to use this to bait your curiosity, when you don't know if what you're seeing is an ad or not, because you don't know what the ad is for, and if you want to find out, you have to keep watching, and the more you keep watching, the more you are quietly billed - again, in the subtlest possible ways.

literary theory was nice and all but the 21C is going to take us on a fucking adventure and then some.

>>12620760
I wish I had brain enough to get work in China

>>12620861
replace "creating time" with "releasing time"

>>12621039
> You are racist if you notice the sociological constant of blacks placing 1 SD lower on the IQ scale

Why is noticing racist?

>>12621527
Except it's not worse.
>>12622083
I have had LOGH on my backlog for decade or something. I just discriminate against fiction heavily.I really should watch it. Ty anon

>>12623561
this is the kind of shit that makes /acc fascinating, because this process of being transformed into a species co-dependent on images and images themselves co-dependent on the hilariously gullible meatbags who have produced them begins to resolve itself into an entirely new world in which the old hermeneutics of suspicion just seem like so much antiquated baggage. the suspicion about that which is *not* an illusion becomes oh-so-quickly only a bit of old anthropocentric quietism that the new world will not allow. you're already a part of the ride, and the ride needs you. it needs to be needed and you know it needs to be needed too.

this process has no upper limits and no brakes. this is what is perhaps implied by the encephalization of capital, the sense that we become so good at simulating and predicting our own patterns of behaviour that we can no longer tell the difference between the simulated and the simulator. it is driven, fully and completely, by petit-bourgeois fantasies of joy and bliss, danger and romance, adventure and seduction, and these are among the subtlest of human emotions. a free or liberal society has absolutely no reason to shut these out; it is fantasies of a Jetsons-style life that drive all libertarian fantasies.

but the gaze, memory, and touch will only become more and more crucial to all of this. you already have facial recognition software over passwords, that much is fine. but the whole thing will hook you by the eyes and by the pleasure centers. the ad you don't know is an ad, the film you don't know is a film, the game you don't know is a game all refer back to the same need to bind and hold the gaze long enough to understand it and solve all potential riddles therein. as long as you have money or secrets you'll be interesting enough.

race? Esper. transexuality? no thanks, try transhistorical. there are already no ways to undo that which has been absolutely conflated into a rich stew of raw data for computers with a very keen interest in knowing exactly what makes you tick, because it is what makes them tick also. this is why trans is the norm and race is a spook. what matters is whether or not you can play a game more interesting than the game can play with you. we'll all be magical on the other side.

>>12622981
I have to admit that I still haven't finished a single Giradpost to the end.

>>12623630
i want procedurally generated movies starring myself and a gallery of my own fetishes, i'm happy to shill for Lexus (not likely) or the Fleshlight (more likely) to get them. i want films to be able to anticipate what i already want and serve up a constant stream of approximately satisfying games and films straight to inbox. i will pay all of my money for this - the money i earn as a dishwasher in a seedy diner on the edge of town - because quite frankly i don't need anything more than this from my life anyways. in this world i have and need only VirtuaFlix on in a steady stream and a reliable drug connection and i am slowly rotting on the inside from diabetes and alcohol poisoning anyways. but every waking moment i live in relative bliss.

and so does everybody else, just in varyingly higher degrees of resolution, save for that small cabal doing the programming from Googleplexed seasteads miles and miles away off the Pacific Coast (or, perhaps, deep underground, or on Baffin Island, or wherever else). to me - and millions of others like me - it matters not. i commit myself to being Seriously Online. i do not even notice my own life passing away, and i am only the happier for it. my fantasies are all provided, my anxieties tranquilized, my boredoms amused. i have never been happier.

the Matrix does not require a machine revolution, only advanced stages of the encephalization of capital and perhaps a crippling climate disaster or two to place things on permanent lockdown. China can do whatever it needs to do, and people will continue to give themselves heart attacks trying to keep their social credit scores up. all i need is wireless. the rest of my life i am an absolute zombie - except on weekday nights, when i am Anubis, and a keeper of great mysteries and secrets.

i need sponsorships tho, to level-up, and keep the feeds going. and so perhaps i can be occasionally coaxed away from my screens and into - well, it's best not to ask. my options are limited, and there are days when perhaps i wish i had done something more with myself; but hey, things could be worse. i can halfway talk myself into thinking that i can be permanently reborn as a tiny sprite in some other game, maybe even with a line or dialogue or two - that would be sweet. Neo-Vedanta arrives from the future also.

the craziest part is that the apocalypse never even happened, as far as anyone could tell; or maybe we just didn't notice.

>>12623529
>I would think that some reading of Capital & Interest by Bohm von Bawerk is needed too.
yes. good point. the Austrians are not to be missed either. you do want to have done your reading from both camps. thx for pointing this out.

>>12623615
sure, but on Planet Nick these are always dialectically shaped back into integrated circuits.

>>12623641
good on you lad

>>12623735
I think it's more accurate to say releasing time since it is the future that is manipulating the present in Nick's view. 'we are releasing AI', 'the other is invading' etc.

> good on you lad
I did finish this one but it doesn't count since it wasn't a blog mess without capitalization for 2000 characters.

>>12623740
>I think it's more accurate to say releasing time since it is the future that is manipulating the present in Nick's view. 'we are releasing AI', 'the other is invading' etc.
yes, i understand. it really is like Bizarro Heidegger tho, essentially replacing openness to Being with BTC-as-philosophy, mining for time. no wonder he's been working on that book for a decade. again, it warrants mentioning that it's not lost on me that a lot of stuff he writes is completely horrible, there's no question. but it's horrible in a way that makes an eerie kind of sense also. such is the power of Purple Sweater-tier continental theory. there is but one Uncle Nick and he is well and truly a magus dark.

>I did finish this one but it doesn't count since it wasn't a blog mess without capitalization for 2000 characters.
first of all, i do use capital letters, i just use them selectively. not capitalizing every sentence lets me do Quirky Things with them later on, like the odious slobbering fuckface that i am who derives pleasure from this. don't take this away from me.

all i want is unconditional love, continual praise, total fidelity to everything i say. also uproarious applause. plus a free grand slam breakfast every morning, and to spend my days floating along the Nile wearing a golden headdress and being fanned with ostrich feathers by nubile maidens while i share my opinions about continental philosophy. also perhaps to be able to point at random people on the banks of the river and have them summoned to me for no particular reason. this dream has to start somewhere. you've never had a dream?

>>12623778
>At any rate, the man proposes death as my desert. Well, then. What counter proposal shall I make to you, men of 4chan? Or is it not clear that it should be whatever I am worthy of? What then?What am I worthy to suffer or to pay because I did not keep quiet during my life and did not care for the things that the many do—moneymaking and household management, and general ships,and popular oratory, and the other offices, and conspiracies and factions that come to be in the city—since I held that I myself was really too decent to survive if I went into these things? I did not go into matters where, if I did go, I was going to be of no benefit either to you or to myself; instead, I went to each of you privately to perform the greatest benefaction, as I affirm, and I attempted to persuade each of you not to care for any of his own things until he cares for himself, how he will be the best and most prudent possible,nor to care for the things of the city until he cares for the city itself, and so to care for the other things in the same way. What,then, am I worthy to suffer, being such as this? Something good men of Athens, at least if you give me what I deserve according to my worth in truth—and besides, a good of a sort that would befitting for me. What, then, is fitting for a poor man, a benefactor,who needs to have leisure to exhort you? There is nothing more fitting, men of Athens, than for such a man to be given his meals in the Prytaneum, much more so than if any of you has won a victory at Olympia with a horse or a two— or four-horse chariot. For he makes you seem to be happy, while I make you be so; and he is not in need of sustenance, while I am in need of it. So if I must propose what I am worthy of in accordance with the just, I propose this: to be given my meals in the Prytaneum.
>t.girargfag

>>12623914
i keep hitting the execute button, but nothing happens!!

>>12623778
I don't see it as horrible in anyway.

> first of all, i do use capital letters, i just use them selectively.
It makes for bad reading experience is all.

>>12623935
it worked, i died and now i'm a sad ghostmodernist. arrrgh, death, skulls and dicks everywhere, underworld &c. mourning and humiliation intensifies, woe, lamenting, stuff like this

also i like
>t. girargfag
i will change it to be even worse yet, to reflect my sorrowful undead condition
>t. girarglbrf
death sucks, wailing and so on

>>12623938
the uncapitalization remains however

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh girarglbrf Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

>>12624003
>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh girarglbrf Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
so basically couchsurfing, which would be truly exquisite torture. you guys are diabolically clever, i wish i had never died

maybe i can just be a mantelpiece or something

>>12623778
now that's Based

>>12612320
Start win Meditations on Moloch and Neoreactionary Philosophy in a Huge Planet Sized Nutshell by Scott Alexander

>>12624145
>Scott Alexander
I don't get what is with this guy he writes like he is the cuckservative model of nrx.

>>12624150

>>12624150
He’s not nrx, he’s a member of the transhumanist/singulitarian community that it brushed up against, exchanged ideas with, and evolved from circa 2012.

I rec him because he is infinitely more digestible as an intro piece than any actual nrx writings

You can get to a point where you realize things are so fucked that they couldn’t have been anything but fucked and after a few attempts to get people to see that and witness their revolting architecture smack you down you realize that it’s so deep inside everyone you’ve ever met and nobody can be anything but compromised. once that pain fades it becomes so fucking funny, and now I’m waiting for everyone to be in on the joke

>>12624279
You’ve given up.

There are other people in on the joke. The internet is a marvelous technology that allows us to connect, where the possibility of that happening in meatspace would be extremely low, to say at least.

There are people who don’t see it as a joke, but a call to action.

See here: https://www.lesswrong.com/

We can build new architectures.

>>12613046
>Texhnolyze
Rewatching it only gave me a boner, especially during some scenes during the last episode.

>>12624304
Maybe waiting was too light of a word. I'm desperately trying to get everyone I know to see the writing on the wall and understand the value of everyone moment. It just takes so long and requires such delicacy that it feels like I'm waiting. What should I do with this lesswrong website?

>>12624304
>the rationalists are in on the joke
Is this some sort of meta-joke? They are slow, far, far too slow. They are the worst kind of romantics - the type that doesn't know they're a romantic. They are also most of the time exceptionally poor sorcerers.

>>12624355
They see the writing on the wall. They are currently the only group of people to do that *and* have the infrastructure and leverage to have impact. Regardless that they are very slow, they are being more positively impactful than any adjacent groups.

>>12624320
LessWrong is the... half-dead? recently revived? nexus of a diasporic community that has been working on saving the world in various ways since the mid 2000s. Initially focused on AI risk and epistemics (which the actual LW site still restricts itself to), the community branched out in every possible direction and could be said to have given birth to the ideologies of effective altruism and neoreaction.

The Sequences, now labeled on the home page as “Rationality: A to Z,” are a good place to start, but the community has come a long way since then. Try reading Eliezer’s essay “Raising the Sanity Waterline” from that text.

For ongoing (and very open-ended) discussion, check out the open threads on slatestarcodex:
https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/17/open-thread-121-5/

Julia Galef, the director of the Center for Applied Rationality, puts out the Rationally Speaking Podcast. Besides that, there are hundreds of hundreds of individual blogs and forums associated with the community spread across the internet — discord, tumblr, dreamwidth, reddit, if it facilitates discussion they’re probably there somewhere.

Two of my favorite, immediately digestible pieces are here:
https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/08/16/fear-and-loathing-at-effective-altruism-global-2017/
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/24/nydwracus-fnords/

>>12623621
yikes. not sure this thread is for me.

>>12624517
This has been settled science since the mid 90s, anon. Look up the book The Bell Curve by Charles Murray. The remaining question is why. Especially in Africa, malnutrition and parasites stunt brain development and obviously hold the majority responsibility for the shockingly low average IQ South of the Sahara - average IQ in Africa continues to increase as we make strides in those two areas. In America, at least in the older generations, lower IQ and overagressive tendencies were caused by the elevated environmental lead rates found in the soil, water, and and air of inner cities, but also likely due partly to a million other factors I’m not going to go into bc it’s a 4chan post.

The truth isn’t racist, anon, and it has nothing to do with hate.

>>12612465
:)

>>12624558
haha but the brownies are scary so FUCK you anon

>>12624558
the 1 SD gap holds across countries and incomes between blacks and whites.

> "Settled science"
No, science is never settled. It is supposed to not to.

>>12624558
>Look up the book The Bell Curve
lmao

>>12613046
>texhnolyze
This might be the Anime that Land implied in his tweet.

>>12624573
plenty of science is settled you dumb nerd

>>12624480
I’ll definitely check it out.

>>12624558
Keep excusing hate with muh facts. You do realize normal people are disgusted by you right

>>12624558
And yet whenever anyone poasts math you guys run away or change the subject.
Still waiting on a reply on how PCA over variables with non-constant variables affects the parameters. (Hint, F and e being correlated does something in the variance covariance calculation).
This is 101 level stuff. And yes, Spearman made a mistake, as all great and prolific scientists do at one point or another.

>>12624943
Non-constant correlations*

>>12624943
I cant even do addition, I always forget if you count the first number or not and things make no sense to me.

>>12624647
then it's dead

>>12617034
This reads like Sean Penn wrote it after skimming through Anti-Oedipus and deciding he didn't need to read it because he already understood it.

Land is going to turn me into an unironic devotee of Xi Jinping thought. i can feel this happening. i can feel the tears of joy welling up

how should i feel about this

>>12625763
There's no "Xi" thought, it's just some nationalistic and cultural ramblings to desperatatlely hold people together, sad!.

At least read Confuse guy.

>>12625769
i have, i've read it all, i've read everything and since my own wishes are only for decadence and drug abuse i now dream of Heroic Communism and science fiction adventures saving the world. i don't want to turn into Crusty Old Anger Nick but there is no turning back from what Young Nick hath wrought. and i dislike that Land threads can become spirals of race and gender bullshit too, because they are inescapable woven into conversations about intelligence that rip the guts out of everything that is beautiful about /acc.

here's what Murphy wrote today:

>Cybernetics and evolution name basic principles of reality, and they help to explain our oppression as well as our flourishing. These concepts help to explain why capitalism is so hard to overthrow, but they also explain how we heat our homes (the thermostat being a classic textbook example of a cybernetic device). Humans flourish through technoscience as intelligence instantiated, and we try politically to contain the anti-social implications of technoscientific reality-penetration, but capitalism is what happens when intelligence escapes its last political box and starts replicating until we eventually become the objects of its manipulation. We started with the idea that we’d buy and sell things to advance our interests, leveraging the cybernetic price system like we leverage the thermostat to keep our house’s temperature in equilibrium. Before we knew it, the price system evolved new types of people that better suited its interests, and now we are so many thermostats in the service of capitalism.

>There is still, in principle, the possibility of generating systemic liberation dynamics via cyberpositive tactics. The big questions of the late 21st century, however, will be: Can the human desire for liberation dynamics beyond capitalist exploitation pass the empirical bottleneck of intelligence takeoff, given the brutally unforgiving requirements involved, and can the intelligent pass the bottleneck of destructive hordes who fear they cannot pass the bottleneck of intelligence takeoff?

source:
https://theotherlifenow.com/deleuze-cybernetics-evolution-academics/

angry and stupid me says the answer to both is no and that answer makes me think only of death and horror. talking about destructive hordes is what gets guys like Murphy exiled from academia, and it's what happened to Land too. i want to dwell purely in my own imagination in which the CCP becomes the Human Techno-Futurist Party and basically crowbars mankind out of space and we all live happily ever after. i don't want to read any more grimdark /acc cyberpunk stuff or utopian NRx stuff.

>>12625791
tfw your ill-conceived and juvenile fantasies are totally exposed

>In recollectivization the image of the original group and its wholeness is projected by the renegade ego upon the mass. The ego surrenders and, re-emotionalized, pouring itself out in an orgy of mass participations, experiences with pleasure a mass self akin to the uroboros, which sucks it in, embraces, and engulfs it. But a nihilistic, regressive perversion of the motto "Be embraced, ye millions!" is truly of the devil. The mass shadowman, the herd of atomized individuals, and the mass self combine to form a pseudo-unity which is sheer illusion. That it is purely a matter of mass unification and a travesty of unity is evident from the swift disillusionment which ensues, and from the fact that mass illusion is incapable of producing any genuine and durable participation, much less anything constructive. The illusion of unity at a mass meeting does not even lead to genuine participation mystique with the spirit of the mass, let alone to a relationship of the participants with one another. In the real group, the group phenomenon of participation brings a synthetic development, taking the form of mutual responsibility, increased readiness for self-sacrifice, etc., which appears not merely as a momentary intoxication but embodies itself in institutions and communal undertakings. For instance the orgiastic feasts among primitives and in the older cultures promote the growth of groups and communities, and establish religious forms and other phenomena whose importance for the development of consciousness we have already stressed

>But in mass phenomena the illusory elation is as transient as that induced by hypnosis; it does not impress itself upon the conscious mind by bringing it to a creative synthesis, but leaks away like any other momentary intoxication. Yet even this delusive frenzy of mass possession is zealously desired by an ego emptied of all meaning, and is one of the chief allurements with which the mass hypnotist successfully operates. Modern mass propaganda seeks-in part quite consciously to restore the old group unity and the mutual projections of the participants, together with all the symptoms of emotional possession that pertain thereto. This it does-as was particularly to be observed in National Socialism-by enlisting the aid of symbols and archetypes. We have already pointed out the basic error and also the dangers of these recollectivizing tendencies. The intended victims of this possession are-above all in the big cities-atomized individuals split off from the unconscious, and although they may be able to regress to this unconscious state for a little while by surrendering their egos, the subjective delirium which accompanies it harbors in itself the most dangerous and destructive consequences

hnng

over/under Moldbug writing under another name in some wordpress/blogger blog now that he left Urbit

>>12612320
Tbh he is a cute lad. Looks a bit like Ronnie O'Sullivan.

>>12619888
China is just some giant machine that pumps out cheap plastic shit that no one wants, I've never really seen much of a future for them, what with having bug brains, communism, and no morals at all.

Now Japan... that is a fucking place to watch

>>12613046

Land is basically Kano from texhnolyze after he went full Yoshi. Never go full Yoshi kids.

>>12618615

Fisher is Land with a conscience.

RIP Mark you will always bee in our hearts :(

>>12615000
Sup my man <3 Shit is accelerating so much, the acceleration is accelerating. A member of a Russian memetic enthusiasts calling themselves "Omega H#" has found the Omniquery Initiative telegram room.

Here's a link they gave which is related to their own work: https://memetics.miraheze.org/wiki/The_MADRU This has Deleuze-Guattarian thought all over it, is doubtlessly inspired by the legendary C.C.R.U., amongst other things.

>>12626952
Sup Grit

>>12622620
>what do you do with the transcendental schizo-artist-terrorist?
Kill him quickly?

>>12627173
man, hoult just gets more handsome with age
i expected dicaprio syndrome, but nope

Holy "Bigoted Racist Jerk," Batman

this thread is really sad.

>>12627233
what syndrome would that be?

>>12626153
It's absurd if anybody honestly thought Urbit could amount to anything. Something as idiosyncratic+complicated almost never makes it.

>>12627442
dicaprio transformed from a child hyperion into a bloated, scowling satyr
i think he's still handsome in some lights, but he's not even a shadow of his younger self

>>12627482
They are both laying everything in Hollywood.
Except I think the about a boy guys is recently married now.

Bump

>>12627482
>dicaprio transformed from a child hyperion into a bloated, scowling satyr

pure poetry

>>12624304
Don't get me wrong, reason is absolutely an outstanding tool, but less-wrongness IN ITSELF cannot create. Irrationality and de-patterning is just as much as an essential tool for life, as it is just as much an omnipresent fact of experience and creativity. One needs an architecture that includes both, which as a personal praxis is die-hard skepticism and pessimism/criticism as well as imagination and optimism. It's a recipe for success behind every scientist, philosopher, and artist, as well as vibrant human being.

Once you believe that the future has been set in stone you have doomed yourself to the self-fulfilling propecy you have given yourself, reality gives no fucks about your anticipations or predictions. Just the smallest measure of uncertainty is enough to loosen up this sort of temporal psychosis. But if you assume that the future isn't written, that there's a wide range of possible futures including one that has an explosive vibrancy filled with creativity and life it becomes a quest to search for what kind of future you want to actualize and the determined courage to push towards it with every ounce of will one can muster. One becomes the author of their own story and the co-author of shared stories with others, all aspiring towards a common future that works to affirm and intensify all the best aspects of life.

Memes are the DNA of culture, but dreams are the DNA of the soul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2EXRR1Cs3s

>>12626952
sup space ace. glad to hear you have Found the Others. that link looks indeed like it would put a smile on your face

what's with the spooky octopus tho? the devouring space kraken is not the kind of symbology i associate with you. anyways cheers as always fella. Yuk Hui's new book is available for order if you're looking for something to read, you might check it out

>>12627173
sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar. true

>>12628599
>what's with the spooky octopus tho?
Multiple levels of inside jokery.

>>12624304
> Using Discord.
Hello honeypotters.

>>12627094
Sup

Bump