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This article criticized that the philosophy departments are Europe-Anglo centric and don't include other traditions around the world. What's your opinion?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/opinion/if-philosophy-wont-diversify-lets-call-it-what-it-really-is.html

>> No.12566282

why wouldn't they be?

>> No.12566317 [DELETED] 

>>12566278
Garfeild and Norden probably made bank for this Jew-ridden article. It absolutely stinks of slimy, spineless kike.

>> No.12566368

Confucianism and Hindu philosophy?

>> No.12566377

>>12566317
This. If philosophy is racist, then racism and anti-semitisim is absolutely justified.

Hitler v2 when

>> No.12566382

I'm Chinese and I think European philosophy is stupid and I only believe in Chinese philosophy.
*dabs*

>> No.12566386

>>12566317
>>12566377
When all the anti-semites are shot dead. If they Jews weren't the strongest, purest, toughest race in Europe, how did they attain such pre-eminence? By stealth and treachery? You wish you could sneak as well as they can.

>> No.12566390

>>12566278
>the philosophy departments are Europe-Anglo centric and don't include other traditions around the world
I live in the Anglosphere, why the fuck wouldn't my education be about my environment? This is retarded and fuck you for snagging some article from 3 years ago just to annoy me

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>>12566278
religion > philosophy

>> No.12566398

Hume and Schopie were influenced by oriental philosophy

>> No.12566411

>>12566386
They slither. It was how they evolved. My spine is not that flexible. I stand steadfast to my values and don't compromise for sheckles like a little bitch.

>> No.12566414

>>12566382
Chinese culture sucked so hard that the commies got rid of it because of a german guy named marx

>> No.12566417

Not really. It is like watered down and 1000 years behind us.

>> No.12566421

>>12566411
Soon the truest notion of strength will be replaced with weakness and acceptance. Such a pity...

>> No.12566423

>>12566411
Funny how the word "ressentiment" hisses

>> No.12566430
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12566430

Schopenhauer basically invented western Buddhism and had an interest in Hinduism.


Also if saw op in person i would rip his throat out

>having to find a 4 year old click bait article

>> No.12566432

>>12566278
why is this article written in english???? seriously? racist scum

>> No.12566437

>>12566423
I just said I stand fast to my values. Are you retarded? You're obviously not Jewish or I'd be dealing with a person who knows how to correctly exercise their vocabulary.

>> No.12566442

>>12566278
the writer of the article clearly doesn't know much about the subject, otherwise they'd realize that a LOT of philosophy overlaps and says the roughly the same thing in different ways.

>> No.12566446

>>12566432
All articles for public consumption shall henceforth be written only in Xhosa

>> No.12566452

>>12566437
You're a rare vessel of irony. Please, tell me more about your superiority.

>> No.12566453

>>12566430
Writing a threat preceded by "if I saw him in person" just reiterates how hollow and toothless it is.

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>>12566432
this. white people should not use english, it is the language of systemic syntactic imperialism. but the rot goes deeper still, we must abolish grammar as well as the tongue

also the eyes, since having two eyes only confirms opticalism. skeletal structures reify heteronormative physicalism also. i am feeling much better since the surgery

>> No.12566479

>>12566278
On a serious note /lit/, I think the intentions are noble, but how can people honestly believe this? I don't find it reprehensible, so much as honestly confusing how anyone can say simultaneously that philosophy is the pursuit of truth and that truth is diverse. Truths are not multiplicities and not culturally dependent, those are societal realities, which are mutually exclusive in the philosophical sense. Please no hate to these people, but I would love to hear an actually articulate argument for why this article makes any sense.

>> No.12566484

>>12566411
This. Stalin was right purging them from all positions of importance throughout society. Soviet music, art, engineering corps, (non-political) police immediately became much better.

>> No.12566503

>>12566386
Who's going to do that? Lol

>> No.12566521

The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer read the Latin translation and praised the Upanishads in his main work, The World as Will and Representation (1819), as well as in his Parerga and Paralipomena (1851).[200] He found his own philosophy was in accord with the Upanishads, which taught that the individual is a manifestation of the one basis of reality. For Schopenhauer, that fundamentally real underlying unity is what we know in ourselves as "will". Schopenhauer used to keep a copy of the Latin Oupnekhet by his side and commented,

It has been the solace of my life, it will be the solace of my death.[201]

Another German philosopher, Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling, praised the ideas in the Upanishads,[202] as did others.[203] In the United States, the group known as the Transcendentalists were influenced by the German idealists. Americans, such as Emerson and Thoreau embraced Schelling's interpretation of Kant's Transcendental idealism, as well as his celebration of the romantic, exotic, mystical aspect of the Upanishads. As a result of the influence of these writers, the Upanishads gained renown in Western countries.[204]

>> No.12566524

>>12566278
>African philosophy
... what? Sorry, but is there any legitimate african philosophy out there? And even if it isn't, is it not then partially derived from European philosophy? None of the other categories have made any significant contribution to philosophy either, maybe except indians waaaay back.

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>>12566453
lol

>> No.12566533

>>12566386
>Jews weren't the strongest, purest, toughest race in Europe, how did they attain such pre-eminence
They weren't, and aren't.

>by stealth and treachery
Yes. By distortion of the public's values. By attaining capital intensive professions and funneling their proceeds into their collective mental illness.

>You wish you could sneak as well as they can.
This is a blatant submission of treachery.

You are absolutely brain dead.

>> No.12566539

>>12566531
I should just start hunting philosophers and Jews alike. Take out both sides of a problem, and it doesn't exist.

>> No.12566541

>>12566467
Based tbhwy. Swiftian absurdity is the best way to answer this anti-white racial nonsense. I mean, besides buckshot.

>> No.12566545

>>12566533
It always amuses me that quoting one of the people whose philosophy was ostensibly adopted by the Nazis elicits such a venomous reaction from anti semites.

>> No.12566546

>>12566278
>/if-philosophy-wont-diversify-lets-call-it-what-it-really-is.html
Yes yes it's integral representation and pillar of unique western white people culture. Practicing it should be banned from niggers, jews, sandniggers and orientals because cultural appropriation and fight against bigotry.

>> No.12566567

>>12566541
>>12566539
Why so many toothless internet threats. If you do this, you're gonna wind up like every other unabomber, mass shooter weirdo. You'll get arrested, you'll wind up on the news, we'll all act horrified for your fifteen minutes of fame, and when they're up we'll forget you existed.

>> No.12566570

>>12566545
I dislike most philosophers in general. Most of them are soft, lack rigor, and attempt to display virtue through their esoteric works which are not picked up by a public a large. Are you seeing where I'm coming from yet?

>> No.12566592

>>12566567
People baffle me.

>> No.12566594

>>12566570
That is even funnier

>> No.12566628

>>12566594
t. pussy

>> No.12566634

>>12566628
Ok. Enjoy clinging to the moral delusion that treachery is somehow "evil" or "wrong" and not just another means to acquiring power.

>> No.12566637

>>12566567
who is "we?"

>> No.12566651

>>12566637
The royal we jackass

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>>12566651
>royalty in 2019

>> No.12566664

>>12566278
I'd say the writer has no idea about the academic study concerning asia and it's history of culture and philosophy. Philosophers are mostly ideots nowadays who can't be bothered by any real world problems since they are too scared and unable to think outside the box

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>>12566661
>it's the current year meme

>> No.12566686

>>12566634
There's the rift. I dislike the ambiguous concept of morality as a whole. It is highly fragmented, rigid dependent on situations, and an illusion more than anything. Power itself is innate to all humans, but it is exercised over those with less power in often manipulative ways. There's no circumventing this fact by any other means than absurdity. We see the honor in people joining the military because we are explicitly aware of them putting their lives on the line for value. Personal intention and motivation for joining aside, The entire exercise of surmounting power is fundamentally flawed, and fits within no moral framework. It is objectively unjustifiable, and contradicts most systems of beliefs.

Care to fill in the gaps?

>> No.12566714

>>12566278
>We therefore suggest that any department that regularly offers courses only on Western philosophy should rename itself “Department of European and American Philosophy.” This simple change would make the domain and mission of these departments clear, and would signal their true intellectual commitments to students and colleagues.
...
>Others might argue against renaming on the grounds that it is unfair to single out philosophy: We do not have departments of Euro-American Mathematics or Physics. This is nothing but shabby sophistry. Non-European philosophical traditions offer distinctive solutions to problems discussed within European and American philosophy, raise or frame problems not addressed in the American and European tradition, or emphasize and discuss more deeply philosophical problems that are marginalized in Anglo-European philosophy. There are no comparable differences in how mathematics or physics are practiced in other contemporary cultures.

The problem is that European civilization was unique in its higher degree of global interconnections. World history is demonstrably Eurocentric. Sure, Black Africa impinged on this but didn't participate in it to the same degree... it's peripheral.

>> No.12566734

>>12566686
I don't see what your problem is. You find sneaking distasteful? A pretense of submission doesn't fit with your ideals of noble militarism? I don't submit to their treachery, I admire it, like I admire Obama's, Nixon's, Napoleon's, Old Fritz's. Deception is an admirable martial art.

>> No.12566752

>>12566734
I unfortunately don't have a fedora to tip.

>> No.12566753

>>12566734
based decadenceposter

>> No.12566784

>>12566752
I thought they issued those at the anti-semites' conventions

>> No.12566812

>>12566278
You need to devote yourself to philosophical traditions for years to make enough progress to get a feel for the tradition itself... four years Isn’t enough.

DT Suzuki your way through zen and that will open up the tao if zen didn’t do it for you

>> No.12566819

>>12566784
I'm usually late to those. I have my cross burnings immediately prior.

>> No.12566827

>>12566819
Tip your hood, then

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12566832

>Anglo philosophy
Ewwwww

>> No.12566848

>>12566827
It's getting dry-cleaned.

>> No.12567007

>>12566390
>I live in the Anglosphere, why the fuck wouldn't my education be about my environment?
Because we have to pretend that we live in a multicultural society now.

>> No.12567023

>>12567007
We actually do. None of my clothes were made in the anglosphere, so Eastern countries actually do have some sort of impact on my daily life and it would be more advantageous to have some understanding of them than not.

>> No.12567124

>>12566278
Honestly, for the first time I don't entirely disagree. If you're studying philosophy, then you should study all philosophy.

The problem is that when you start "diversifying" the curriculum, it inevitably won't be a critical examination of non-European philosophies. It'll be yet another 'brown-man-good-white-man-bad' course. If professors and students were free to deconstruct the garbage put out by Chinese or African philosophers then I'd be all for it, but they won't be.

>>12566386
>If they Jews weren't the strongest, purest, toughest race in Europe, how did they attain such pre-eminence? By stealth and treachery?
Obviously. Are Jews pre-eminent in any other society? Do Jews rule China, or India? No. Because the success of the Jew is not a product of the greatness of the Jew, it is the result of a quality of Europeans, a quality that is *only* found among Europeans: compassion.

This is why the Jew is to be despised: because he only survives through the compassion of those whose culture, religion and society he attacks at every turn. Even as churches packed with thousands of Christians pray for the salvation of the Jew in the Holy Land, in Jerusalem or Haifa Jews spit upon and kick their Christian neighbours. The gentile in Hollywood writes a Jewish hero, and the Jew responds by writing a Christian villain. When a Jew does something bad he is white, but when a Jew does something good he is a Jew before anything else. The Christian is a scapegoat, and the Jew pours out his sins upon him and then slaughters him - even as the Jew puts his boot upon a Palestinian child and presses a gun against her head, the word 'shoah' is on his lips, and he expects the world to hear only that decades old echo, not the cries of the child who is right there. The Jew believes in the absolute truth of the Holocaust not because of evidence, not because of faith, but because that is *exactly* what he would have done if he were Hitler, what he does do, what he will forever do to all those unfortunate enough to come into his power.

>> No.12567139

I’m not as well-read in philosophy as I wish I were but I really think there’s something of a potential philosophical renaissance in the fusion of Western and Eastern traditions of thought. I respect both traditions a lot.

>> No.12567140

>>12566278
philosophy is almost exclusively european and male because other people do not as often have the same aspirational view of history and personality. pretty simple.

>> No.12567143

>>12567124
I laughed the entire time I was reading this
>a quality that is *only* found in Europeans: compassion
You're smoking crack

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>> No.12567167

>>12567124
Are you mad? China and India are developing as rapidly as possible so that they can suckle at the Jewish teat as closely as the US does. That is, if we are going to suppose that the Jews dominate Western capitalism, we must by extension suppose that they dominate the peripheral economies to the extent that these are dependent on the West's consumption.

>> No.12567176

The average IQ of a nigger is below 70. They have LITERALLY ape-tier IQ. How do you expect abstract thought from them?

>> No.12567228

>>12567176
I can imagine a course spending a whole term on the symbolism of people turning into goats in African folklore, only for an actual African to show up and tell everyone: "No, we really believe that people physically turn into goats."

>> No.12567242

>>12567228
>people turning into goats in African folklore
Doesn't sound very different from European folklore.

>> No.12567285

>>12567242
That's the point. Europe abandoned ideas like that as farcical centuries ago, while it Africa it's still very much current thought.

When Philosophy departments start teaching about how witches can turn milk sour and summon the devil in the form of a goat, then you can tell me that the discipline is too committed to uncritically preserving the ideas of dead white men.

>> No.12567298

>>12567285
>When Philosophy departments start teaching about how witches can turn milk sour and summon the devil in the form of a goat,

You just described Continental "philosophy"

>> No.12567305

>>12567285
Where in Africa is this "current thought?" It's an entire continent.

>> No.12567310

>>12567298
Do some modal logic for me, clown

>> No.12567318

>>12567305
literally anywhere in subsaharan africa

>> No.12567323

>>12567318
Sounds like you did your research

>> No.12567327

>>12567310
Modal logic is a game of fake diamonds and empty boxes.

>> No.12567479

>>12566278
>western philosophy branches primarily teach western philosophy with smaller branches for eastern philosophy

Woah.... I guess the fact that France teaches mostly continental is also racist.


Oh, wait, I forgot that “racist” actually only ever means “We want less white people”.

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>>12566430
>>12566521

>implying schopenhauer wasn't another orientalist

>> No.12567506

This is unironically good. It shouldn't be framed as WYTE MAN BAD WYTE MAN BAD BIG BAD WYTE MAN BAD BAD BAD.

There's nothing wrong with listening to the entire world. Highly unlikely a handful of europeans invented rational thought

>> No.12567514

>>12567506
This

>> No.12567538

>>12566278
>Given the importance of non-European traditions in both the history of world philosophy and in the contemporary world, and given the increasing numbers of students in our colleges and universities from non-European backgrounds, this is astonishing.

im shocked that this got published. if i was taking classes in china, i would not expect to learn about nietzche or sufism. is anyone else extremely irritated at upper middle class white americans acting shocked on behalf of minorities who, for the most part, don't give a shit and have regualar lives?

>> No.12567612

>>12567538
>if i was taking classes in china
If you were taking classes in China a big chunk of the curriculum would cover Marx. Think for a second before you post next time. You could easily have said that a college course in China wouldn't cover any African philosophy, nor would a college course in Africa cover Zen Buddhist teaching.

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>>12566278
PHILOSOPHY DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO REMAIN WHITE

Here in my country the philosophy department in our best university started accepting and even having affirmative action for NIGGERS and the more that they INFEST it the worse it becomes. It leans more and more left with these fucking NIGGERS and the Department is each time dirtier, more leftist, stupider the more those thrash are accepted. Now we have things like "ANTI-FASCIST BLACK UNION" and BLACK STUDIES by the philosophy department and you can see that the quality of everything has considerably gone down because the philosophy department are becoming progressively more non-white, leftist and more accepting of stupid people (NIGGERS). Philosophy should be a thing for smart white people, not stupid fucking niggers that can't do physics and instead choose the easiest area of study to enter and end up just thrashing the school.

>> No.12567630

I mean uuh, sure, but what non-western philosophy is there? Bushido?
I'm not sure that's helpful.

>> No.12567642

My opinion is that /lit/ is going down the shitter if there's even 10 people on here who think this is a suitable thread topic.

>> No.12567650

>>12567506
>Highly unlikely a handful of europeans invented rational thought
You would have thought so, and yet here we are

>> No.12567654
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LOOK WHAT BECAME OF THE PHILOSOPHY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THESE NIGGERS.

FUCK NIGGERS AND FUCK LEFTISTS AND FAGGOTS.

>> No.12567658

>>12567143
>t. person who has never lived in a non-white country

>> No.12567662

>>12566317
The L stands for Lazar which sounds Semitic. Other guy was just beta though. Definitely looks like he edited his own Wikipedia article, too.

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THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE BECOME MORE "TOLERANT" AND ACCEPT NIGGERS.

>> No.12567664

>>12566382
>dude just like chill out bro

Yeah, Chinese philosophy is awesome!

>> No.12567668

>>12567642
>suitable thread topic
this place was always a garbage fire and there have always been threads full of regular posters losing their histrionic minds over affirmative action and the mere existence of women.

>> No.12567673

>>12567658
>He thinks the US is a "white country"

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I FUCKING HATE NIGGERS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.12567700

>>12567654
A FFLCH é a versão gourmet da cracolândia.

>> No.12567708

>>12567618
>>12567654
>>12567663
>>12567698
>what /lit/ thinks /pol/ is

>>12567124
>What /pol/ actually is.

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>>12567708
I'm not even racist, I just fucking hate niggers in my philosophy department. There should be segregation there unironically, but it's not like I'm a /pol/ anti-semitic racist, it's just nigger culture that fucking annoys the fuck out of me.

FUCK, I HATE WHAT HAS BECOME OF MY PHILOSOPHY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THESE NIGGERS AND LEFTISTS. PHILOSOPHY IS FOR WHITES ONLY!

>> No.12567729

>>12567708
Please don't confuse /lit/ with hysterical mentally ill plague from outside.

>> No.12567733

>>12567708
One is not better than the other. Not sure what you're trying to express here.

Also this
>>12567729

>> No.12567789

Philosophy departments should become even less diverse, instead of more. Starting with the BTFO'ing of analytic philosophy. Or just replace the analytic philosophy with non-Western philosophy, fine by me as well.

>> No.12567815

>>12566382
>Believe
Checks out.

>> No.12567826

>>12566531
Pinker is an absolute hack. Holy fuck.

>> No.12567833

>>12566545
>I have to agree with everything someone says to agree with some things.
Idiot.

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I would never read a book written by a nigger.

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>>12567843
Don't be that racist, anon. There's nothing wrong with being a nigger AS LONG AS IT ISN'T IN MY PHILOSOPHY DEPARTMENT.

>> No.12567925

>>12566686
>There's the rift. I dislike the ambiguous concept of morality as a whole. It is highly fragmented, rigid dependent on situations, and an illusion more than anything.
>an illusion
Begging the question.
>fragmented
Doesn't imply it doesn't exist.
>rigid
It would be incoherent if it weren't.

>We see the honor in people joining the military because we are explicitly aware of them putting their lives on the line for value. Personal intention and motivation for joining aside, The entire exercise of surmounting power is fundamentally flawed, and fits within no moral framework. It is objectively unjustifiable, and contradicts most systems of beliefs.
There are many traditions (Christianity,Buddhism,Jainism) that deny the pursuit of power and other worldly things, whether people live up to that is different.

>> No.12567937 [DELETED] 

>>12567902
>Don't be that racist, anon.

I'm not racist. I just hate niggers!

>> No.12568000

In principle, the study of philosophy should include non-Western traditions. Thought requires the mind to be open to ideas, all ideas.

It doesn't require it to be open to people, though.

In practice however, in this current political / cultural context, I cannot be in favor of further diversification of philosophy departments. The implementation is likely to be shit and turn into another ''white man bad, brown man good'' narrative.

Furthermore, it should be expected and accepted that philosophy departments, in the West, focus on Western philosophy, and not some other philosophy, just like Japanese philosophy departments should include many classes on Japanese philosophy and culture.

But then why are people in China studying Western philosophy more than Westerners are studying Chinese philosophy? Because of the West's cultural dominance, and especially because of its recent cultural dominance.

Dominance isn't binary though, and works in degrees. It's why presumably very few people in China study contemporary African thought, but those in Africa above 100 IQ might just study Chinese thought more than Chinese would study African thought.

Lastly, I have barely seen any mentions of Maistre, Burke, Schmitt... in my curriculum. On the other hand, feminist subjects are not uncommon at all. Nobody is bothered by this, especially not those begging for more diversity. Where's the diversity for non-leftists thinkers?

I cannot take these people with good faith.

>> No.12568129

>>12566714
>The problem is that European civilization was unique in its higher degree of global interconnections

>European civilisation was unique in its ability to contact and be influenced by non-European cultures, therefore we need to focus our philosophy solely on European cultures!

>> No.12568153

>>12567167
>China and India are developing as rapidly as possible so that they can suckle at the Jewish teat as closely as the US does.
The Chinese want to replace the jew.

>> No.12568169

>>12566278
The sad thing is this article is absolutely correct. If philosophy is truly the pursuit of truth, then one should be open to methods of exploring the truth outside of their own limited socio-cultural framework. Instead, though, too many Westerners have come to incorrectly assume that their way of coming to the truth is the only way possible. It's become a religion in-and-onto itself.

Western civilisation would unironically, absolutely, perfectly, entirely and undeniably be improved by opening itself up to ideas from Daoist philosophy, Sufi metaphysics, Hindu theology, Japanese aesthetics, etc. The problem is most people aren't looking to actually improve their society. They're just looking to have their personal ideas reaffirmed, even if it means shunning wisdom when presented to them.

Dark days. Dark days indeed.

>> No.12568173

>>12568153
I'd rather the Japs replace the Jew

>> No.12568561

>>12568169
This article is the problem. I don't disagree, but it was written but some grade a fuckheads who deserve a strong punch to the solar plexus.

>> No.12568643

>>12568169
based

>> No.12568743

>>12566411
>Tough guy explains how tough he is in a series of increasingly emotional 4chan posts
oh look it's the same thing that happens every night. yawn.

>> No.12568790

>>12566278
Duh. There's a fucktonne of Chink philosophy alone.

>> No.12568808

>>12568790
I've seen better 'philosophy' written in chick magazines.

>> No.12568818

>>12568808
What the fuck is this supposed to mean
Why do you come to this board

>> No.12568826

Why wouldn't philosophy departments in the west not focus on western philosophy?

>> No.12568833

>>12568826
Is philosophy contained to the west?

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>>12566414
And then brought it back a few decades later cause the chinks are stupid enough to believe they're still a communist country.

>> No.12568840

>>12568833
cultures naturally focus more on themselves than other cultures. that's why schools teach more about american and european history than middle eastern or african.

>> No.12568866

>>12568840
But philosophy shouldn't be derived solely from culture, because that takes it from "philosophy" into "reaffirming cultural values using flowery language"

>> No.12568882

>>12568866
it's impossible to remove bias completely from the process by which philsophy departments are focused. im open to the idea that they're overly focused on western philosophy, but just showing that phil. departments focus more on western than eastern philosophy because those departments ARE western. in any case, the criticism of their focus should be based on "our academics/students aren't getting an intellectual breadth that will maximize their potential" not "OOGA BOOGA tyrone no like dis whitey shiett."

>> No.12568899

>>12568866

>But philosophy shouldn't be derived solely from culture, because that takes it from "philosophy" into "reaffirming cultural values using flowery language"

How aren't the philosophers in the OP doing the exact same thing by deriving their cultural values from globalist multiculturalism?

>> No.12568924

These two (white) guys wasted their whole careers on Nagarjuna and Confucius. Sad.

>> No.12568925

>>12568899
Truth exists, and it's our job as philosophers to seek it, in all its manifestations. Shutting ourselves off from any sources of wisdom because of superficial political concerns isn't philosophy - that's just egotism.

>>12568882
Is there a fundamental difference between "Western" and "Eastern" philosophy to begin with though? Isn't it all just philosophy?

>> No.12568965

>>12568925
>Truth exists, and it's our job as philosophers to seek it, in all its manifestations. Shutting ourselves off from any sources of wisdom because of superficial political concerns isn't philosophy - that's just egotism.

Doesn't address the question. I'll ask again: how aren't the philosophers in the OP doing the exact same thing? Many of the reasons in the OP are grounded in the mainstream political ideology of western elites (globalist multiculturalism), using "flower language" like "diversity" to stand in for argument. How is that seeking truth? Additionally, both of them are scholars in the non-western tradition. They have a vested interest in their research getting more funding. How isn't that egotism?

>> No.12569013

>>12566386
People never want their life to be their fault. The reason why the patriarchy is such a popular idea. If you're a Jew you already see how the world hates you for your success. It's the best starting point, you know you're in for a uphill climb but you also know there's nothing stopping you but yourself.

>You wish you could sneak as well as they can.
It's seriously funny how Jews are suppose to be doing everything in stealth while everyone else is constantly talking about how sneaky they are. Everyone plays extra close attention to them because they're suppose to be so devious, but they still keep getting away with it?

The only proof people have is Jews are disproportionately successful. So I guess you also believe in white privilege because whites are disproportionately successful and men too. Or maybe it has to do with values.

>> No.12569014

>>12568965
For what it's worth, I do actually agree that "diversity-for-diversity's sake" is a rather pointless endeavour. I promote increasing access to non-Western ideas for the sake of truth, not for the sake of the comings and goings of social identities of the day. I will concede that point to you, by my point still remains that focusing on just "Western" philosophy in universities is an unfortunate way to shut our culture off from much wisdom and learning.

>> No.12569039

>>12566545
funny how that "quotation" missed several chapters on jewish resentment

>> No.12569048

>>12568925
>Is there a fundamental difference between "Western" and "Eastern" philosophy to begin with though? Isn't it all just philosophy?
western philosophy is more rationalistic and individualistic, which means it naturally makes more sense to westerners. not sure if that satisfies what you mean by "fundamental." i can't see why the philosophies discussed in a university should be proportionally representative of all world philosohpies. this seems arbitrary and based on the false premise that all philosophies are equal.

>> No.12569091

>>12569048
>this seems arbitrary and based on the false premise that all philosophies are equal
Well, this is where you're probably going to disagree with me, but I genuinely think the Western world has lost a true sense of understanding of what philosophy is actually supposed to *be.* From what I can tell, based on my own research and experiences, is that philosophy is actually supposed to be a method for spiritual and psychological growth, similar to the approach that the Buddhists and Hindus have. Now, I'm not saying Westerner's aren't interested in that, but it really seems like the main focus of Western philosophy is just to come up with "good ideas", without any true regard for their practically in a person's actual, lived-in, day-to-day experience.

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12569095

The only two philosophical traditions worth anyone's time are the European and Islamic ones, because they were the only ones with any degree of (proto)academic rigor

Everything else Eastern and African is just airheaded platitudes barely removed from folklore and divination. It rightfully belongs in the dustbin of history

Prove me wrong

>> No.12570378

>>12569095
>folklore and divination.
What's wrong with these?
>airhead platitudes
This is clearly wrong. How could they!

>> No.12570394

>>12569095

Academia is a cesspool of shite, if you haven't noticed.

>> No.12570436

>>12566386
One would not call viruses to be the fiercest living organism on the planet just as how one regards such abominations' as less than human.

>> No.12570490

>>12566531
>these ideals don't fit my moral schema so they are wrong
Has he even read neetch rofl

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>>12566278
>an abstraction is a racist

>> No.12570501

That's the kind of shit which makes me want to ignore non western philosophy completely

>> No.12570515

>>12567023
>implying it is eastern culture or any culture for that matter that manufactures your clothes, and not the globohomo industrial death cult

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>>12569013
good post

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12570664

>>12566395
religion + philosophy

>> No.12570731

>>12567498
'Orientalism' as a pejorative epithet is not wholly without value, but its fast-and-loose misuse by Said, who tarred Goethe and Henry Kissinger with the charge equally, has lead to this absurd academic juncture in which anyone who doesn't meet the blood requirements to be designated "of colour" cannot comment on or engage critically with anything outside of their strictly delimited "lane" is by default for having the temerity to say "this is what I think about the Islamic Revolution" or "I have a theory concerning the development of state institutions in post-colonial African states".

Goethe and Schopenhauer clearly regarded the Eastern texts they engaged with (Hafez and various texts in the Hindu and Buddhist canons, respectively) with the utmost respect and lavish praise. The idea that every European intellectual who wrote about anything pertaining to Africa or Asia prior to the publication of Said's deeply flawed treatise is guilty on some level of outright racism - which, to be clear, is what being an 'Orientalist' means you are - is utterly ahistorical. Incidentally the best critiques of Said's work are from Marxists from the Middle East, like Sadiq Jalal 'al-'Azm and Gilbert Achcar. The contemptible phenomenon of "Babby learns about Orientalism and Said at undergrad and proceeds to find a useful, academically hegemonic epithet to instantly any writer of a particular race who writes about Africa or Asia" will not cease until more academics stand up and challenge Said's absurdity.

>> No.12570740

>>12566278
>philosophy
>Anglo centric
YIKES

>> No.12571020

>>12566386
So by that logic crony capitalists just get their rightful rewards for being the most talented at sneaky underhanded and dirty manipulation too.

>> No.12571081

>>12566278
(((they))) are digging their own grave with this, oriental philosophy is based and redpilled. Think about it: every blue pill is made of western philosophy.

>> No.12571116

>>12569095
>(proto)academic rigor
Do you mean universalism?

>> No.12571164

>>12566278
>(((Garfield)))

EVERY

FUCKING

TIME

>> No.12571189

>>12569013
>whites are disproportionately successful

this isn't even remotely close to being true

>> No.12571694

>>12566521
>his celebration of the romantic, exotic, mystical aspect
Yikes. A summary of the Western perception of Oriental philosophy.

>> No.12571721

Because whites are the only race with souls.

>> No.12571746

>>12571189
Name 10 successful contemporary non-white people. Hard-mode: no actors.

>> No.12571762

>>12571746
...you have a point.. I can't think of any

>> No.12571768

Bible - Bi + Able

That which at its core is able to be bisexual.

Father, Son & the Holy ghost.

The Holy ghost in Mary and the Father a part of the Holy ghost.

Mary getting DPed by Father & the ghost.

Father & ghost indulging in their own consummation.

Bisexuality is at the core of the biblical theology.

Ah, men!

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>>12567124

>> No.12572964

>>12568169
there are already parallels between daoist thought and heidegger, and the influence of mystical movements like sufiism can be seen in the works of bergson or any philosophy of immanence. japanese aesthetics are extremely influential, most architecture schools require you to read "in praise of shadows". there is a lot of interesting dialogue going on across cultures that is just blatantly ignored by people on both the left and the right.

>> No.12573943

>>12568743
why is calling someone tough guy on the internet such a basic, go-to insult?
if he'd been threatening to shoot you with his guns I'd agree but right now you're acting like a little bitch