/lit/ - Literature

>>12511451
You should have been a fucking abortion. Maybe then we'd be spared this shit thread. Fucking ugly pig of a 'man'.

>>12511451
Well lah de dah

>>12511451
>So he basically wants all of us to die?
want is such a strong word; let's say he doesn't think it would be the worst thing that could happen for the sake of intelligence

>>12511473
Just look at that face, man. He literally gets off to his meltdown-visions. Imagine his depression when he dies and none of it has happened.

no one truly gets him. some people pretend to do, but no one actually does

>>12511451

Was Land right? Do we need to destroy the sun?

>Assuming a fusion-phase energy infrastructure, this initial stage of off-world development culminates in the dismantling of the sun, terminating the absurdly wasteful main-sequence nuclear process, salvaging its fuel reserves, and thus making the awakened solar-system’s contribution to the techno-industrial darkening of the galaxy. (Quit squandering hydrogen, and the lights dim.)

https://oldnicksite.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/lure-of-the-void-part-3a/

>>12511451
Cunt!

>>12511793
maybe this was more of a howl of pain as he realized that capitalism had no ending. i don't know if he's necessarily arguing that destruction of the sun is a good idea. maybe he just wanted to be the saddest man in Athens.

>>12511793

>“Space echoes like an immense tomb, yet the stars still burn. Why does the sun take so long to die ?”

He is thinking and talking about the death of humanity, not because he WANTS it to happen, just because there simply are not a whole lot of other thinkers who would think in this perspective in the first place, it's his niche in a way, his microgenre.

I don't have the link at hand, but from the very beginning he realized that most intellectuals are looking at nature and the universe from the human's perspective, when there is not really a reason to do so. He wrote a talk about the black death in Europe in the middle ages, but from the perspective of the rats, who carried the virus - quite a unique idea imo.

He wants to have the most objective and thus unhuman perspective on things, which explains his lack of emotions.

>>12511793
what is the sun but wasted energy expenditure? A very low level idea of this is the Dyson Sphere; we literally look for hyper-intelligent life by the sign of a dim star

>>12511451
No.

>>12512014
yes

>>12511459
Accelerationists can't meme, and they're slower than meta-modern leftists.

>>12511793
>dude what if science fiction warnings were actually a mental utopia lmao

>>12511857
Capitalism ended long ago.

>>12512122
>>12512133
Cause of digits reminder.

>>12511451
Space Taoism / Pancreativism / Memetic Singularity Greenpaper: https://old.reddit.com/r/omniqueryinitiative/comments/altrtq/how_to_save_the_universe_an_incomplete_tutorial/

>>12512122
the fuck is this meme supposed to mean

>>12511451
The death drive was Freud's misunderstanding of the life force of higher beings and of Faust. It should have been called the sacrifice drive — because that's what higher beings, like Faust, want: they want to sacrifice themselves to damnation so that they can give birth to something greater than themselves. There is no creation without sacrifice, and creation is the impulse of greatness, because greatness is an overflowing.

>>12512240
Imagine being this stupid.

>>12512239
https://youtu.be/7o9bh3swFeE

>>12512122
>>12512140
>>12512297
I see you post this shit in every Land thread you fucking faggot. no one ever engages you because no one understands what the fuck you are talking about
in a Nick Land thread, no one knows what you are talking about
think about that one

>>12512385
>no one understands what the fuck you are talking about in a Nick Land thread, no one knows what you are talking about
Probably because you can't even write a basic sentence.

>>12512571
Not him, but your ad homs are not helping this pathetic thread, so sorry.

>>12512575
What ad homs?

>>12512571
there's a line break there faggot

>>12512385
That memes been around for a long time and the fact you don't get it only proves his point.

>>12512742
Still not a sentence.

>>12511451
Who is more radical right-wing Nick Land or Marie Kondo?

>>12512122
meme meme meme meme meme mememe mememem MEME MEME MEMEMEME MEME MEME MEME MEME

>>12512778
warosu those file names and tell me that's not highly concentrated autism

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This thread is REGURGITATING, it's creepy, it's really fucking scary, what the fuck are you doing, WHAT THE FUCK? You couldn't have done a much worse discussion, you couldn't have done worse anything. You couldn't have made a discussion that's crappier than this.
Well, you haven't even made a crappy discussion, because this is not a discussion -- this is nothing. THIS IS SHIT.
This is an insult. This thread is a fucking insult, this thread is a fucking piece of shit. WHAT THE FUCK

>>12512824
>accelerationist
>complaining about autism
JUST

>>12512917
Saved, thanks anon.

>>12512900
Accelerationists are shit and have been shitting up the board for too long, so this is fitting.

>>12512342
This is now a Zuluean Quasar-hopping thread.

when my organs demise i’m taking y’all with me. you’ve been alright to a world-weary loner...

>>12512933
Neo-Israelite arrives from the future

>>12512385
>accelerationists can't meme
How hard is that to understand?

>>12512917
me

>>12511793
Nick Land is the reincarnation of the star-eater pharaoh Unas:
>Unas is the Bull of the Sky,
>who shatters at will,
>who lives on the being of every god,
>who eats their entrails,
>even of those who come with their bodies full of magic from the Island of Flame*

*Place where stars are formed.

>>12513051
>everything is capital
>except the cult of personality for a pseud

>>12511793
reads like a moldbug alt

>>12513038
>MFW autology

>>12513169
>>except the cult of personality for a pseud

literally no one ever claimed this

Memes are the DNA of culture, but dreams are the DNA of the soul.

The right can't dream.

Artist Illustrates ‘A Thousand Plateaus’ Paragraph by paragraph: http://athousandplateaus-drawings.tumblr.com/

>>12514021
goddamn this is awesome

>The year is 2122. Neo Shanghai. Anime is real. The hyperstition of old vs young Landians is boiling with virtual/actual chaos, and the pressure hits critical. Turing cops surround the apartment, your waifu calls out from the navi, reminding you of the price of failure. Footsteps in the stairwell. You insert her backup nanosata into your anal cavity no lube and make your way to the window. You slap the emergency neodymium magnet to your VDD and leap into the neon future.

>>12514021
Holy fuck thank you for this

>>12513367
My favorite part of this image is how 2/3 of the states are completely redundant.

>>12514021
ho-leeee shit

anon you are a true hero

>>12511451
There is still no consensus about the drive. I'd say that it's a really dangerous mechanism. Hardly worth messing about.

>>12513367
This graph is funny and kinda interesting but at the same time disingenuous. For some reason it seems to sum up Nick Land pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LXsk5D-N3k

>>12511451
>yet another eceleb thread

Accelerationism ultimately anti-environmentalist. It's every coordinate is opposed to ecology, conservation, etc. It is for people who hate nature, who have lost all personal feeling for nature, who are overwhelmed by their ignorance about nature and the environment they depend on, or are inverted and impotent towards the destruction of their world.

Choose nature please. Not this sour grapes philosophy.

>>12511752
woah....

>>12514342
its true. all the recent groupie type theory is all about brainlets step by step how to on land. they learn a bit of of the big piece and they name it something faggy, and wear it like a sports jersey. as if its a rightful branching off when they did no legit philosophical work themselves, only proxy memes of assorted thinkers. like goobs in a party who drink one beer and pretend theyre wasted. not surprising land stopped serious blogging and normie posts.

>>12513381
Why are you all so stupid?

He really just wants philosophy to move past anthropocentrism.

>>12514539
You're a cunt!

from what i gathered on him he's just a transhumanist/futurist who understands some philosophical ideas which aren't the usual shitty western anthropocentric crap which assumes humans are magical stemming from crappy theological nonsense. his special flavor is he's got some nonsensical ideas about capital and monetary crap which he says "we'll lose control of" so we should accelerate it? it's just some cope where he wants to find peace in the chaotic world and pretend he influences it towards it destination.

you can't be an accelerationist unless you're developing the technology. saying you're going to lose control of something you don't and never controlled doesn't make sense either. it's just muh singularity/monism with scifi/faux mystical element along with lots of obscurantism through buzzwords and unnecessarily ideas.

somebody on /lit/ calls it's space taoism which is the ultimate irony. first, it's dao not tao. second, there's no special variation involving space that separates from dao. in fact, saying "space" in front of dao just demonstrates you don't get what the dao is. really though? they've got a modestly higher understanding of things than the average joe but really it seems like they're just spinning their wheels cause the core stuff to focus on is very simple and i never saw them articulate it.

>>12514672
I'm stealing this pasta

>>12514672
https://youtu.be/k8sQQ03cKaw

>>12514672
>reads the wikipedia article on accelerationism once

>>12514736
Basically true though. Most of the ideas are just stolen from the ultra-left, but the lack of depth is replaced with hipster academic concepts.

>>12514765
>stolen from the ultra-left
nigga, accelerationists ARE the ultra-left

>>12511451
>implying we can die
>implying we are living

>>12512240
We've had multiple threads about this, the original creator posted his Twitter even. I still have no idea.

>>12512824
jesus. wtf is wrong with leftists.

>>12514672
>getting hung up on tao/dao
nice, you really got it

>>12514736
>if i don't understand the underlying points of contention while pointing out superficial surface level distractions this is considered a philosophy because i can pretend the arbitrary dichotomy based on trivial and petty axiom is truth
technically, yes. it really is considered philosophy by western brainlets. however, so what? you're just trying to cope because you don't get the dao. that's fine but i'm at a higher place so i'm not going to play along.

thumbs up on figuring out about how anthropocentrism is wrong 2500 years late. now you just need to discover returning to simplicity so you don't spend your time making up buzzwords and doing obscurantism

>>12514851
>that's fine but i'm at a higher place so i'm not going to play along.
That's not what it means to walk the razors edge, anon.

>>12514851
Wow. That quote is deep.

>>12514851
>butterfly dreaming that I am a man
>eastern "philosophy"
lmao what a retard. Butterflies don't dream.

>>12514892
Not as deep as your mom.

>>12514918
lol it's 2019 and people unironically believe in a religion that isn't even scientifically verifiable

>>12514918
but dude, you gotta be open minded to the possibility though.
it's non-anthropocentrism bro. It's called being enlightened.

>>12514770
Not really. They're just academics.

>>12514861
why do i have to walk on a razors edge? talking about monetary stuff is insipid. accelerationism is stupid in a practical sense even worse when you consider they're serious about monetary systems.

instead of trying to figure out how to place the square into the circle try remembering you don't know what the circle is yet

>>12515007
>instead of trying to figure out how to place the square into the circle try remembering you don't know what the circle is yet
Ill just put the triangle peg in the square hole cause it fits if u do it right always think outside of the square hole

>>12514799
That wasn't the creator, just someone who made his own.
There was even a thread that spelled the whole thing out, so I don't know why people are still confused by it. Accelerationists really can't into memes, I guess.

>>12515026
>That wasn't the creator, just someone who made his own.
OP is le demiurge
>>12515019
got a (you)

>>12514816
>critique of accelerationism
>leftist
Just post the accelerationist memes and you can bring an end to the horror.

>>12515036
Only a leftist is capable of misunderstanding accelerationism that badly

>>12515036
>leftist
Internet leftists are the only people who give a shit about zizek or his retarded ideology glasses.

>>12511451
He's not good enough at math to do real philosophy, so he decided to OD on amphetamines and research chems while fapping to 1997 Asian financial crisis/HP Lovecraft crossover fanfiction instead. Seems to have worked out well enough for him, as it usually does for sociopathic charlatans.

>>12515026
>memes
I don't think you know what a meme is.

>>12515080
Maybe, but accelerationists certainly don't.>>12512917

>>12515073
>the meme must show ideological loyalty
Imagine being this out of touch and slow while calling yourself and accelerationist.
SAD!

>>12515063
What's the misunderstanding?

>>12515112
That's actually a better example of a meme than anything you posted.

another thread ruined by postmodern memes

>>12515120
>calling yourself and accelerationist

>>12515120
>>12515167
>hello, is this me? accelerationist here

>>12514672
Funny, the spurg who keeps making those taoist threads also doesn't use capitals, types several paragraphs at a time, and uses reddit spacing. Really makes you think...

>>12512122

>>12512385
>no one understands what the fuck you are talking about
Who want to tell him?

>>12515139
Oh no, the accelerationist doesn't accept the critique!
Who would've guessed...

>>12515167
Ok, what's your ideology then?
You fucking retards make no sense.

>>12515139
Imagine thinking that's a good meme. Fucking retards.

>>12515000
>>12515322
Why does capital always BTFO accelfags with digit sentience?

>>12515333
>>12515143

>>12515143
Imagine thinking accelerationism escapes postmodernism.

>>12515172

>>12514021
noice

>>12515312
>the accelerationist
No.
>>12515322
>Imagine thinking that's a good meme
No. I said it was a better example of a meme. I didn't say it was good.

>>12515190
He samefags psycho style. On the cosmotech threads watch him bump by giving himself compliments. Hes astroturfing for himself like he is frodo taking down nick land the dark lord. The reality is he was slain by the landian jungle fever.

>>12511918
Poetic

>>12511451
Stop this mental masturbation and get the kondopill faggot.

>>12511793

>hey, do you know what would be the most efficient way to speed up the economy? centrally plan the fucking sun!

marxists always reveal themselves to be retarded in some fundamental capacity

>>12511451
I'm with everyone else dying, just not me.

>>12511451

>>12516175
But Nick Land is the good guy

>>12511451
how about he makes it fucking easier to get physical copies of his books

>>12516294
>centrally plan the fucking sun!

Or different factions can harvest different stars.

>>12516571
>how about he makes it fucking easier to get physical copies of his books

Fanged Noumena is now being distributed through MIT Press and should be easier to get. I'm not too sure about his Bataille book though.

Speaking of Land, why is he going into the jungle? What's he up to?

>>12516695
He wrote about Bataille? that's real some shit I want to read
What's the book's name? can I getPDF of it?

>>12516737

The book is called 'The Thirst for Annihilation: Georges Bataille and Virulent Nihilism', and it's pretty good. I think you can find a copy on Libgen.

>>12516822
>>12516737

Where do I start with Bataille if I don't know French?
Is The Accursed Share a good start?

>>12516175
>He samefags psycho style.
how dare you

>On the cosmotech threads watch him bump by giving himself compliments.
never!

>Hes astroturfing for himself like he is frodo taking down nick land the dark lord.
good god

>The reality is he was slain by the landian jungle fever.
well okay. some things are true

>>12516699

I hope he found what he was looking for.

>>12511492
>depression
>after he dies

How come just about everyone who participates in discussions of topics like accelerationism uses unfathomably stupid definitions for concepts like humanity, nature, and technology? Did you all think "start with the Greeks" was just a meme? Plato wasn't a true Greek by the way.

I mean, for starters... to say anything like "humanity will die out soon" is just false. Rather, the only thing that will survive is humanity, and everything that will perish will be said to have been less than human. Technology will not wipe out the race, it will elevate it over the ashes of the decadents, and because we want it to, because technology is merely a tool that we employ to achieve our goals (and everyone who disagrees on that point, simply isn't aware of the zeitgeist of our time, i.e. who the elite classes consist of today).

>>12516895

Yeah. Volume 1 of The Accursed Share is probably the best place to start.

>>12516935
was this post necessary?
this isn't reddit, please keep that in mind.

>>12517093
it reveals that you'r so retarded you can't even string together sentences that are even somewhat logical, a surprise to no one since the rest of your post is equally retarded and sentimental.

>>12514672
>from what i gathered on him he's just a transhumanist/futurist who understands some philosophical ideas which aren't the usual shitty western anthropocentric crap which assumes humans are magical stemming from crappy theological nonsense
true

>his special flavor is he's got some nonsensical ideas about capital and monetary crap which he says "we'll lose control of"
that happened

>so we should accelerate it?
in 1990 yes. in 2019 it takes care of itself, which is shitty in two ways, because a) it will kill you and b) it will kill you with garbage

>it's just some cope where he wants to find peace in the chaotic world and pretend he influences it towards it destination.
yes

>it's just muh singularity/monism with scifi/faux mystical element along with lots of obscurantism through buzzwords and unnecessarily ideas.
which is to say, it's really fucking interesting

>somebody on /lit/ calls it's space taoism which is the ultimate irony. first, it's dao not tao. second, there's no special variation involving space that separates from dao. in fact, saying "space" in front of dao just demonstrates you don't get what the dao is.
meh it's just fun to talk about. nobody gets what the tao/dao is

>they've got a modestly higher understanding of things than the average joe but really it seems like they're just spinning their wheels cause the core stuff to focus on is very simple and i never saw them articulate it.
the core stuff to focus on actually isn't simple. it is in fact very complex, but not so complex it defies all description. it is Marx, Nietzsche and Freud walking through the 20C and being ripped to pieces by deadly cyborgs and insects which they are in some sense responsible for producing.

it is a *tragedy* my good sir. it is an Unironic Tragedy. made worse by the fact that a whole lot of consumerist bullshit *hides* this, and the more it is hidden the more it is revealed. want to know more? read Baudrillard. and maybe BC Han also. this whole thing is a comic, and diabolical, fucking *nightmare.* people bitch and say oh there's no meaning, there's no literature, eeeeehhhhh. to which i respond, try retracing the voyage of continental theory from 1900 to 1990. you will get your heart ripped out thinking about it. are there other ways to spend your day? there absolutely are. does anyone know how this story ends? they absolutely do not. is that deeply unsettling and confusing af? it absolutely is.

if you like the material, no end of fabulous reading awaits you. if you don't, meh, no sweat. but there's no point in shitting on anything or dismissing what is a genuine no-joke Philosophy Adventure in the highest (and lowest, and most absurd) sense of the word. that it produces burnout trainwrecks...so what? the world has horror novelists too.

on Star Trek: TNG the nemesis of a wonderful space-faring civilization was the Borg. why was that?

>>12514539
Aristotle did that already.

>>12517239
Is your name necessary for the discussion?
If the answer is no, namefagging is always cancer.

>>12517159
and i would very tempted to add that after you do the great work of metaphysics - blowing up the foundations on which Western Europe rested for a great many years, which is a triple-assault by the great modernist writers - we then a completely horrifying series of disastrous attempts to square the circle, via socialism, fascism, neoliberalism, and more recently neomarxism, which in turn is producing more fascism - and honestly, i don't even blame people for wanting to take a Hard Right Turn in all of this. Zizek is right, young fascists today have all of the energy of culture on their side - the irony, the irreverence, the sense of community, that the young communists of the 1960s and 1970s must have had. this is how history works, by chain-reactions and pendulum swings and epistemological breaks.

acceleration marks a particular point of inflection, a sense that something was still very much alive and in play after the end of the Cold War, that ruthless technocommercial libertarianism was exactly the hot topic and would completely thrive in conditions of generalized breakdown (particularly if that generalized breakdown was itself presented as some kind of accomplishment or achievement - in other words, the golden years of postmodernity). that happened, along with a sequence of other quasi-imperialist adventures led by both the democrats *and* the neocons over the course of the next twenty years, and which have resulted in...total clusterfuck, and a terrifying need to claw back something of the feeling for history at the eleventh hour, and which is also not going to work, because all it is going to do is reproduce and reify ideologies that belong to the 20C when we are now getting rather more deep into the 21C.

Land is now a crusty old bastard writing hermetic (and brilliant) work on Bitcoin. it is excellent work and it is going to cap off a remarkable, if profoundly sad and unhappy, career. but that is what Unironic Philosophy looks like. it doesn't make you feel good, that is why we have religions and wisdom traditions. that those religions and philosophies should probably not be wedded to historicist ideologies derived from Marx and Hegel is a lesson we seem to continually need to be reminded of, and one we love to be reminded of because we love to ignore it and kind of pretend things will just sort of take care of themselves. but this is why it seems silly (though accurate) to accuse the philosophers of spinning their wheels: they are trying to take the pulse of a civilization which is also doing this. the difference is that philosophers - good ones - can admit that they are wrong, or conflicted, and elected corporate masters do not need to do this. but we know it's all wrong. how to fix it? who fucking knows.

i think something like post-apoc Christianity is pretty based myself, but that's just me. so is deadlifting, and learning a trade, and Tidying Up or whatever else.

>>12514931
>scientifically verifiable
Get a load of this bundle of sticks

>>12517239
>Aristotle did that already.

Mayhap he didn't go far enough.

>>12517267
something like this would describe my own stance v/acceleration today. i'm not an accelerationist myself, but i 153% believe that it is a necessary stage to go through if you are interested in making sense of the past. acceleration is the dark truth of postmodernity, as much as postmodernity is the dark truth of Freudo-Marxism. the whole thing is a series of reversals. like a Batesonian cybernetic system, or a Cosmic game of Go...or perhaps the Tao that will not be named.

i was saying earlier than in Tarot the inverted card, the negative, is a more concentrated form of the positive. i think the psyche works very much like this. acceleration is postmodernity in reverse, as much as the Borg were the shadow side of the Federation. things are all fucked up today, we don't seem to be capable of doing anything usefully when we take our cues from Hegel except to walk backwards into nightmares and then say, Never Again. and then we reproduce the opposite, and that's good for a while, and then that too leads to disaster and calamity. and then it repeats.

i think acceleration today is moribund and necrotic, and in being so it reveals precisely how moribund and necrotic postmodernity itself becomes, because it simply becomes Scapegoating: The Ideology. gender-theory privilege is simply Zizekian neuro-Marxism flipped outwards and made Real Simple for third-rate griefmongers angling for a career in politics or corporations, which in turn are forced to hilariously debase themselves for the sake of the market, and wind up producing things like the Gillette ad - hey, if gender is a construct, then what's with the All Men a priori assumptions? but this is how it works. we create the trauma, and then we self-medicate, like fucking moral hypochondriacs. we are fucking ridiculous and addicted to something like philosophical heroin - the Feels. Deleuze had some idea about this and dealt with it cautiously. Land had some idea about this and dealt with it incautiously.

so in terms of an update for acceleration in 2019, i would say, pic rel. this does not preclude a more ironic twist - Let Go *And* Be Dragged. that too may be the case.

fuck it, i want to ramble some more.

(cont'd)

>>12516412
>another boomer meme
Cringe.

>>12517093
Accelerationism is pure reddit.

>>12517267
>bitcoin
>philosophy
JUST

>>12517464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PMGuNZreWA

>>12517426
>The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.
>The body count climbs through a series of globewars. Emergent Planetary Commercium trashes the Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic Continental System, the Second and Third Reich, and the Soviet International, cranking-up world disorder through compressing phases. Deregulation and the state arms-race each other into cyberspace.
>By the time soft-engineering slithers out of its box into yours, human security is lurching into crisis. Cloning, lateral genodata transfer, transversal replication, and cyberotics, flood in amongst a relapse onto bacterial sex.
hey look, it's fucking genius. all of this shit happened. all of it. how about that. thirty years ago and still crispy fresh like it was hot out of the oven. but this is Young Nick. not Old Nick, who is just shitty and choking on anger. you haven't felt shitty and choked on anger? i often feel shitty and choked on anger. but there is a point that always goes missing, which people overlook:
>and tries to get a grip.
that one. that is the line to pay closest attention to: Get A Grip. if there is one part of this text to salvage and take with you it is that one. if capitalism is a fucking fun house that amplifies and magnifies all of your desires, cranks them up to eleven and turns you into a sex-crazed, media-addicted degenerate, who's fault is this really? what the 1960s began the 1980s continued and the 2000s perfected: how to give you what you wanted. desire, pleasure, stimulus, interconnection, a hundred billion substitutes for tragedy and loneliness. it worked, it all worked. everything fucking works. why aren't you happy? why indeed.

and so Land is arguably the most maximally burned-out philosopher continental theory has produced. NRx is dead and probably so is /acc too. what's next? nobody fucking knows. but to dismiss it is to encourage a kind of intellectual historical deafness. continental theory is a meta-narrative, a really big one, that actually has some pretty sophisticated on tools for retracing What Happened To Hegelian Marxism. and it may also be the case that it is in fact *too early* to say what happens next, if so much of what you see on the MSM is just still more ripples and waves and reactions. techno-futurism is hardly dead, it's alive and well. in the West it is hilariously beholden to Woke Capital, and in China it becomes deeply entangled with the CCP.

personally i'm divided. part of me wants to stay on the Wild Ride and keep watching it unfold, part of me wants to forget it all completely, but i just never found a substitute for it.

(cont'd)

theme for the thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_un9PYsE1_g

>>12517569
more like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ruvmkCq4es

>>12517159
>meh it's just fun to talk about.
you aren't wrong and it isn't bad you're talking about. i said you've got a modestly higher understanding than others. even if the language i use is offensive it wasn't a particular attack on direction but rather the method
>nobody gets what the tao/dao is
no there is people who do. you need to try and distill all your knowledge into something more simple and pure. the world is very simple just turn your head and look around seeing it. the complexity comes from not understanding and trying to learn. when you master it it's as simple as breathing.

these accelerationist ideas aren't exactly wrong but the entire foundation of computer science rests on the simple principle of boolean algebra which is literally just 0 and 1. the world and all the things around are resting on the abstract principle of 0 and 1 in other words. what's more simple than 0 and 1? thinking lots of thoughts and going in every direction is okay but returning to simplicity is what i see missing

>>12517503
so yeah. personally, philosophy has more or less carved out a role for me as itinerant wasteland bard, forever trying to sing one song about the history of Marxism, how we learn to produce reality, and wind up getting stuck in a time-loop of reification. it's a compelling one, and Land is a major chapter in it. acceleration is an episode of postmodernity, and maybe they both collapse together in the end in total exhaustion. very possible.

but it's just ridiculous to dismiss Land as some kind nonentity or pseud. it makes no sense. true, it doesn't make a lot of sense to *start* with him either, any more than if you want to understand postmodernity or deconstruction to start with Derrida (which i did, by the way, and i am urging you not to do this).
>so you're into Derrida and Land? two of the worst pseuds ever?
>well i think they should both be read inner self
>you do understand that By Their Powers Combined makes you a true incarnation of pointless pseudery, yes?
>well obviously inner self
>and you do this...why, exactly?
>because i wanted to know inner self. it's like gazing into the Palantir
>except the Palantir is the underside of Derrida's fucking scrotum
>yes
>okay. just so that we have you on record
>Derrida actually is interesting tho, if you look at things through a technological lens
>nope. not going there
>but he knew, he was actually underrated
>next you're going to say something nice about Foucault
>...
>god i hate you. i hate you so much

this is what i think: i think continental theory is a language, and it should be de-mystified, like a deconstruction of deconstruction, having no relation whatsoever to reality, history, or politics. it like a toolset, a story told about history, which can remain a story, but the real Black Magic begins once you start confusing theory with reality. it would be better, i think, if a lot of philosophy was crypto-locked in a place where it could not get out, where we somehow prevented all of its sorcery from turning us into 20C ideologues over and over.

that is my real wish: the Boxed Set. all of these terms and ideas, deactivated from being weapons, and being made into harmless *toys,* that do not get out of hand. i don't know how this is to be done, but if it is to be done at all, it has to be done historically, so that we can see how new ideas are formed and shaped, without becoming disintegrated into formless and shapeless replicants.

>and probably so that we can start the whole thing aaaaaaaaaalll over again, like New Game+.

>>12517597
>boolean algebra uses binary
>binary is simple
>(HP: computer science uses boolean algebra)
>therefore computer science is simple
not a valid syllogism

>Land babbies

>>12517618
you're missing what returning to simplicity means. the words themselves should explain it but the west doesn't actually get this concept and only as lame quotes sorta touching on it.

you start simple not understanding and then more and more turning it into complexity and after having mastered it it returns back to simplicity like breathing or turning your hand.

yes it is simple when you understand all the theory involved along with the higher principles of the world. if you understand the world then everything in it is simple. likewise to a child playing in the sand smiling and giggling it's simple. this is why western philosophy is shit because they never figured out actually eastern philosophy is further ahead but they just say it in simple terms.

>>12517651
>if you understand the world then everything in it is simple
pure ideology

>>12517664
it will continue being simple even if you don't understand it. you aren't at the level to understand returning to simplicity so all the later stuff is way to advanced

>>12517597
>you aren't wrong and it isn't bad you're talking about. i said you've got a modestly higher understanding than others. even if the language i use is offensive it wasn't a particular attack on direction but rather the method
yeah, and it's all good. and i don't wish to come across as some kind of blowhard asshole either. (and i am a blowhard asshole, i just don't want to come across as one).

put another way, i'm only offended by being confused with somebody else, or when it is assumed that i believe and think things i don't actually think or say. like somehow i am trying to run some psyop here on the boards. i'm fucking *confused,* that's why i ramble so much. it's exactly because i *don't* have answers that i talk so much. i don't want to produce a new ideology, i'm trying to get rid of a kind of deadly substitute that i seem to be stuck with, like a coping mechanism...

so attacks are welcome! go for it. i really won't be offended. the only thing that grinds me is when people think i would actually fucking samefag-compliment myself on my own ideas, this is just ridiculous.

>you need to try and distill all your knowledge into something more simple and pure. the world is very simple just turn your head and look around seeing it. the complexity comes from not understanding and trying to learn. when you master it it's as simple as breathing.
yeah i know. you're right about this. i guess this is the thing i feel like i have to contribute. if people find something useful in it that's enough. Harman said that most philosophies aren't refuted, they're just abandoned - and that most objections are really just misunderstandings, but those misunderstandings also allow for new ideas to germinate. i think that's quite profound. whatever possible good comes from these conversations will be like that, i think. not from anyone becoming a convert or an antagonist, but by a kind of diagonal or register shift. nothing ever gets copied perfectly.

>thinking lots of thoughts and going in every direction is okay but returning to simplicity is what i see missing
yup. it's my feel also. the Tao is fucking great. so is Zen, and the Buddha. makes the hairs on your arms stand up. maybe this fucking trainwreck is necessary to grasp that? very possible.

decocting something less insanity-producing out of this madness...or just being able to cope with the complexity without it destroying your mind. that's what happened to Land, maybe Nietzsche also. Lacan's later years were not happy either. to exit the Wild Ride means a kind of affirmation of chaos, but affirmation itself can become a kind of internal animus-possession. that i think is what is captured by capital, but what it produces is burnout. so partly you have to say, capital doesn't exist - because it can become a Woke ideology like any other. so what replaces it? it's hard to say. maybe these are Spice withdrawal symptoms.

>>12517712
>that i think is what is captured by capital
i get you use this as an abstraction of what humans do in a larger sense but money and material doesn't matter. it moves people and the world but it still doesn't matter on a personal level. water and food moves people and the world but it isn't the central theme why? it's cause there's the wonderful categorical idea of capital which lets you use sleight of hand to suddenly make basic things like air, water, and food seem like they're part of the larger magical system called capital. no, it's really just air, water, and food not capital even if you want to include them in it. moving the entire world isn't really that special or important.

self-discovery is what makes things fun so there's not much else to say. if you ask simple questions and give simple answers you'll get further

>>12517736
like find a flaw in this. that's fucking brilliant. that's Young ultraleftist-to-the-point-of-insanity Nick, who was shortly thereafter sucked into a black hole and wound up having tea with Bataille on Rl'yeh and returned later on as NRx shitlord. NRx was pretty fascinating too. Land has been a part of darkly fascinating stuff most of his life.

that is a great post, one of the better summations of all of this stuff. and that is part of the message of Marxist critique as well. neomarxism-as-deconstruction became completely wedded to postmodernity (as much as feminism became wedded to neoliberalism, and rendered the economic critique of capital itself impossible). all of these things happen in the 1990s, there is this delirious and confusing mashup of ideologies new and old that particularly acute writers were aware of, and which manifest as new forms of ideology today which, as always, we fail to see as soon as we take them as Reality, and begin asking very bad questions, like, Are We On The Right Side Of History Now?

fascism and communism always work by abandoning philosophy, and neoliberalism allows for this by refusing to ask these questions of itself. it can't, there are too many jobs on the line. it's like subways in China. there's too many people who have to get to work, you can't just stop the system and call for a blank slate. if a couple of people get crushed to death, it all becomes a part of the cost of doing business. the spice must flow and the trains must run.

and that's it, that's what Land was keying in on, that this autonomous process begins to run itself - and shit, maybe it only works so much the better when it can co-opt the methodology of old-school Marxism to do so (and which the best possible form of which is the detached analysis). but how do you arrive at a fully detached view of the human? CCRU witchcraft is one way.

Fanged Noumena is fucking great. it is an awesome text. and it's not even that *complicated!* and it opens up about 20m new questions that actually do need to get asked - about tech, and AI, tons of other shit. nobody has to go as mental as Land does, but not going a little bit mental with that stuff basically dooms one to play really stupid language games and engage in really stupid arguments that you are going to lose precisely because the perspective gets lost in terminal and terminally stupid modes of relativism. there's a much bigger and more interesting story in progress, and the real catastrophe is the loss of that one. that's the actual tragedy of it all, the corrosion of philosophy by total banality.

>>12517798
I appreciated this post.

>>12517798
>>12517736
and it's a cautionary tale too, even about the dangers of trying to score alienation points, to be the most disaffected and burned-out wreck in the room. Land was ultra-trigged by a great many things. that he managed to parlay this into a kind of philosophy that is enduringly interesting, and brought a whole of lot of cyberpunk and Wiener and Gibson et al into Marxism is pretty cool also. it holds up well. but it is also a kind of a story about the dangers of trying to assume the position of the maximal outside. and a screed against academic Marxism, the same thing that - decades later - comes for Peterson or Murphy or whatever else. it's all a part of it. a new kind of philosophy is patently required. continental philosophers like solving their own problems and those of other people at the same time, which is kind of a bad addiction, and fate turns up far more strange and strangely appropriate punishments for this hubris than anything else.

anyways, blah blah.

>>12517793
>i get you use this as an abstraction of what humans do in a larger sense but money and material doesn't matter. it moves people and the world but it still doesn't matter on a personal level. water and food moves people and the world but it isn't the central theme why? it's cause there's the wonderful categorical idea of capital which lets you use sleight of hand to suddenly make basic things like air, water, and food seem like they're part of the larger magical system called capital. no, it's really just air, water, and food not capital even if you want to include them in it. moving the entire world isn't really that special or important.
in some sense it's true, in some sense psycho-economic structuralism isn't a terrible idea. political economy does in fact exist, it's just that i think a lot of philosophers wind up inhabiting an ivory tower that carries baked-in to its very architecture things that belong to the Cold War in a very deep sense. and it's a highly seductive (and for some, lucrative) position to be in. but it's obviously not working anymore. it's just that the things that cause it to be destroyed are curious echoes of what it is that they are destroying, and it all makes a kind of horrible and recursive sense.

and it may also be the case that there are things to extract from that crumbling ruin that are actually worth rescuing and holding on to - like a lot of stuff related to tech. it's worth throwing a life-raft to Simondon, at least, and he connects to other guys too. some kind of mode-shift is necessary, i think. i don't know what it would look like. a kind of guarded optimism about the possibilities of tech, other stuff. there are other possibilities to life beyond cyber-utopia and cyber-dystopia.

>self-discovery is what makes things fun so there's not much else to say.
quite true.

>if you ask simple questions and give simple answers you'll get further
you say this like it's easy! but you're right, sure.

also, i really want to continue this conversation and there are a bunch of things i want to say about desire and technology and Lacan and Kafka and breaks and code and so on. i will return with more schizo-ramble in a bit.
>but nobody wants your schizo-ramble you horrible, horrible non-person
>well that's why the good lord invented pleasurable non-apologies inner self. you need to up your guilt game
>for god's sakes somebody stop him. have i not suffered enough. first the enya and now this. every day it is like this

back soon gents

>>12517498
Garbage.

>>12517798
How can you believe such bullshit?
https://youtu.be/jMi9Q5bySM4
>like, nigga, just add another run to the line
https://youtu.be/0OoTL0j3Wvg
>like, nigga, just test the mix beforehand
The reality is that the tendency of the rate of debt to accumulate coincides with a theory of value of the sinkhole. The majority of the economy now is mere distraction, militaristic bloat, and bare maintenance. Meanwhile, it is nations opposed to the neoliberal/capitalist world which are creating a crisis for the West (apart from their own stupidity based on an ideology of the reign of quantity), and this is done through geopolitical manoeuvring.
Capital is irrelevant, and not at all sentient (if it ever was).

>>12518072
One can even find examples throughout history where the same shit happens. People no longer identify with the society and skill and craft begin to fall apart. The buildings which are meant to represent that society are made poorly, which in turn is a symbol of the society's failing health.
Accelerationists have things backwards, just like marxists - they just take it to the extreme so that the easily confused think there is something to it.

Asselerationism is really just an edgy teenager version of shills like Pinker.

>>12518072
>The majority of the economy now is mere distraction, militaristic bloat, and bare maintenance.
i don't disagree. but in a cultural sense distraction, bloat and maintenance is also highly lucrative. that's part of the problem. and it leads to rather tragicomic confusions of whether or not corporate overlords - Gillette, Nike, Facebook, Apple - ought also to be moral paragons. i don't think they should, but this is part of the story. this is a long story of simulation and the triumph of media over all else.

>Meanwhile, it is nations opposed to the neoliberal/capitalist world which are creating a crisis for the West (apart from their own stupidity based on an ideology of the reign of quantity), and this is done through geopolitical manoeuvring.
i don't know. i think the problem is that the West doesn't know what to do without a crisis. we've always kind of had one (or not had one, when we actually should have had one). think Hitler demanding the Sudetenland, or McCarthyism, or Stalinist purges, or whatever else. true, Stalinism isn't so much the West, but it's in the story also. Crisis gets wheels moving.

this is not to say that the world outside the West is all roses; i've said before that i'm not interested in hating on the West or blaming it for everything. this is, indeed, precisely how we create the imperialism of anti-imperialism, the racism of anti-racism, and much else. it's just that now the picture presented is one of an absence of control in the guise of control, a wheel of victimological doom. crisis works and we all would like to have sovereignty. sovereignty is an elusive concept.

>Capital is irrelevant
not as irrelevant as the hardened Marxist would have it, but not irrelevant. the financial crisis matters. a phony war in Iraq matters. Trump stealing the election from Clinton matters. can all of these things be laid at the feet of a mysterious and spooky presence called Capital? not really, of course not. these are so many of the usual fuck-ups and crises created by political economy, that terminally dysfunctional organism, and which - incredibly - we wind up looking to for something like progress, or the Narrative, or whatever else. at the bottom the driver is nothing so horrible, just the dreams of middle-class people.

>and not at all sentient (if it ever was).
this is a dumb meme anyways and i don't subscribe to it. and yet there is a thing called AI, and that AI is probably going to develop in the private sector and chiefly of benefit for the private sector (unless you are Xi Jinping, who may or may not get there first.) memeing Capital Is Sentient! is largely done for lulz on /lit/, it's not a vector for an actually interesting conversation. let's not go there.

again, my own thing at this point would be to set acceleration in a historical and intellectual context. it may not be possible, and no doubt if i were more serious about this, i would recognize this as being only so much more self-delusion.

>>12518144
how?

>>12518109
>One can even find examples throughout history where the same shit happens. People no longer identify with the society and skill and craft begin to fall apart. The buildings which are meant to represent that society are made poorly, which in turn is a symbol of the society's failing health.
i think this is true also. if you look at the history of China, there are oscillating periods in which Confucianism rises and falls, and Taoism or Buddhism respectively draw crowds. then those in turn lead to new Confucians who want to get things organized again, and so on. periodically punctuated by suboptimal encounters with the Mongols or whoever else. it may be the same thing with the West for a while, as socialism and libertarianism rock back and forth. there's no moral fix for wealth disparity. even Rome was wracked with all kinds of internal crises during the switch between the republic and the empire. then the Empire ends and kind of quietly dissolves itself in the West into feudalism, while in Byzantium it lasts another thousand years or so. where a given society begins and ends both geographically and historically is pretty interesting to think about.

>Accelerationists have things backwards, just like marxists - they just take it to the extreme so that the easily confused think there is something to it.
the problem is that it becomes hard to separate the Marxism from the neoliberalism, and that is why /acc matters, because it functions as a critique of both. that is its basic goal, to be disappointed. >>12517643 pretty much gets it. this was Freud's project: you can't fix the real pain, but you can fix the neurotic pain, ditch the existential unhappiness for the regular unhappiness. it makes sense, when you take your cues from Schopenhauer and not Nietzsche (even if Nietzsche is more interesting).

that burned-out accelerationists might eventually kind of try and re-install whatever is left of themselves in Catholicism really cannot be all that surprising either. or why Heidegger would be cozy. all of this is a weird place to wind up, but it feels appropriate too. when you really want an ideology to squeeze into but you can't find one, just be a walking shipwreck and call yourself a failed accelerationist.

>>12518417
like these guys, basically, except that the ship was called Marxism. and the accelerationist captain that was in charge was struck by lightning and now nobody knows who's supposed to take over next. so in the meantime the briny deep, yo-ho.

>>12515017
>Mindblown.jpg

>>12516928
Funny that would he mention that by tweet. How can you escape the news cycle if you're still logged to twitter ?

>>12511928
I like Land, but I hope you know that he's not even close to the being first person to try to approach things outside of an anthropocentric perspective

>>12517712
>>12517798
>>12517858
>>12518311
>>12518417
Somehow I feel this is very relevant but would be much clearer and in a way more mundane if someone adopted (or perhaps crafted) a more neutral and level-headed vocabulary.

I'm not advocating for any Enlightenment-lite rationalizing but rather not using the modern media landscape as a reference and starting point, which I think you're implicitly doing despite yourself and is the main reason this looks so convoluted.

Treating this particular era with calm as what it is, merely one small step on a long undirected (but not unconstrained) journey that started 5500 (or 250000, or 14 billions) years ago might help.

>>12519038
>Somehow I feel this is very relevant but would be much clearer and in a way more mundane if someone adopted (or perhaps crafted) a more neutral and level-headed vocabulary.
yeah, i agree. part of finding a way across or through the current divide would be good. a lot of divides, really.

>I'm not advocating for any Enlightenment-lite rationalizing but rather not using the modern media landscape as a reference and starting point, which I think you're implicitly doing despite yourself and is the main reason this looks so convoluted.
yep

>Treating this particular era with calm as what it is, merely one small step on a long undirected (but not unconstrained) journey that started 5500 (or 250000, or 14 billions) years ago might help.
no doubt.

it's metaphysics of control. that's what interests me. once upon a time we had religious structures; then Revolutionary ideology; and of late postmodern pseudo-capital, call it neomarxism or neoliberalism or whatever. in these times of foment i tend to think the conditions for really interesting leaps forward take place, and i'd prefer them to be philosophical rather than cultural or political. the Sorcerer's Apprentice: if you want to picture a fucked-out and angry Mickey, with a hat he can no longer remove, while the brooms have swept the palace clean and moved on elsewhere, you would have a bang-on description of me. and i'm still fucking mad that i don't understand how the Wizard Hat actually works.

maybe someday.

Land's worse than Hitler
how can you even read this man?

Bump

>>12511451
ALL *CLAP* PHILOSOPHY *CLAP* IS *CLAP* AUTOBIOGRAPHY

>>12520138
in my dreams i'll give Nietzsche a noogie and there's nothing you can do to stop me

>>12511451
/lit/izens are going to rub their eyes if they discover what kind of a person Land really is - a sociopath.

it is still yet possible that Nick Land has simply never known true love and is about to come out of this as the first great Eco-Accelerationist, a demented blackhearted hippie boomer alchemist the likes of which the world has never before seen. this fills the place where my soul once was with the most remarkable feeling

Uncle Nick will love the trees, and the trees will love Uncle Nick. nature will set him free, and the trees will take him from the horrible ghost of Marxist Lovecraftian horror. this story is happy end

>>12520514
>the absolute levels of eceleb worship
Pathetic.

Can we also post about Space Taoism related topics here?

>>12520525
it will take approximately three watts of electricity to imagine a Druid Nick meme where he's wearing a brown hood with his little smug face and thinking about Ents marching on Isengard rather than Capital devouring the world. you are already envisioning this right now. you know it is perfect and so do i

eco-acceleration would be the jam and it would be completely harmless and his soul will at peace. he can be a crusader for the trees and imagine trees conquering the world and that will be just fine. the spell would be broken at last. he would be a wonderful druid and the world will know the Great Balance once again

also i suck tree dicks. but only because it is super ironic. this may not be relevant tho. don't bully me

>>12520579
The anti-roads movement was a failure, unfortunately, and perhaps the ultimate proof that capital is not sentient.

>>12520606
the absolute fucking state of this post

>>12520617
Not an argument.

>>12514672
>TFW you're developing the technology.

>>12520630
i have no argument I just read the phrase 'and perhaps the ultimate proof that capital is not sentient' and had a sort of allergic reaction

>>12520636
What I figured.
Unfortunately the joke will be wasted on the mycelium-functionaries.

>>12520632

>>12516695
that's true but i just looked it up and holy shit, the only thing at a reasonable price is a german translation

Anyone here into synthetic-pangynofeminism?

>>12521291
this does not spark joy