/lit/ - Literature

>>12514958
Which facet of art?

>>12514958
Do you mean taste?

>>12514958
No, boomers are just finding it harder to relate. Ironic, that prager's critique based around devolution to self-expression only reveals his self-centricism, and desire to have other authors validate his pathetic worldview.

no, and people who think that are morons

there's so many more people living the world today, so many more talents.
and the media attention (especially the attention a non-art interested person partakes in) is on CONTROVERSIAL works.

tl;dr people don't know what they're talking about

>>12514958
Where did you find the edgy pic OP?

nice prager u graph faggot

>>12514994
https://youtu.be/lNI07egoefc

that's not a bad point op, personal art is fucking awful, but in the era of cult's of personality around celebrity in the 20th century it becomes inevitable

>>12514970
facet + art = fart

>>12514958
love how precise and wavy this line is and how it jumps from 1800 to 1870

>>12514999
>implying I didn't just use that to start shit

>>12514958
What are the standards measured in?

Is this graph meant to coincide with Reaganomics?

>>12515005
Epic

>>12515012
trips say you're fag, fag

>>12515002
pathetic desu

>>12515002
this guy is literally just another generation's 30 year old boomer

>>12515019
see>>12515032

>>12515002
>hurrrr i could do that myself

BUT YOU DIDNT
YOU DIDINT!!!!!!!!

this makes me so irrationally upset my god why are people such pseuds HURRR that's not a pretty picture so it's bad ARGHHH

imagine being such a massive P S E U D that you cannot understand the abstract or underlying meaning and just go "well my dragon took a longer time"
FUCK YOU

i remember being in an art class and there was some projects left over from the morning class that must have presenting or something, and the professor looked at shit on the table that was obviously "personal expression" and he just was trying to hold back a smile like that nicholas cage gif oh man that was brutal i dont even remember what condescending thing he said it was that stifled smile that said it all

>>12515039
I've always thought that your dragon is shitty and unfinished.

>>12515047
so?

>>12515039
carving a dragon out of wood is craft not art, take it to a craft fair in a parking lot with boomer cat ladies and their doilies, maybe u can get some neckbeard stoner to give you 50 bucks for it

>>12515047
>>12515057
that is what i'm saying

>>12515039
>my ugly, shitty art is actually really deep and cool!
Lmao, intellectuals are pathetic

>>12515054
>>12515039
u on the bottom left

>>12515082
The dragon is ugly and shitty.

>>12515005
based

>>12515086
Why would it make me a onanist to think that some student art is shitty and unfinished? You reek of ressentiment desu.

>>12515096
U r a good troll. genuinely.

>>12515096
>dude posts on 4chan
>doesn't realize making sincere art post 1950 is just not possible

dude, most modern and post-modern art is clearly tongue in cheek, the art market is just a bunch of rich pricks buying shit as investments, so why not sell them ridiculous bullshit, thats part of the conspicuous consumption of it, people are so rich they can by ugly ass shit and just put it in storage and try to flip it auction later, lol for example remember this bad boy?

>>12515005
truly, sincerely, unironically, in all honesty one of the better posts I've seen on this board

>>12514988
>the exception proves the rule

>>12514958
>The hacks who call themselves 'artists' these days are nothing compared to the likes of Beethoven! Im only 14 but I am I appreciate REAL art, I was born in the wrong century! :(

>>The hacks who call themselves 'artists' these days are nothing compared to the likes of Fragonard! Im only 14 but I am I appreciate REAL art, I was born in the wrong century! :(

>>12515153

froganard p sick lets be real the swing looks like some dank 90s arcade game it just has that essence man all the little leaves trig my brain to think of those bubbly arcade pixels, shit is doubly dank cuz u kno that shit was fire in the 1700s when he first dropped it, but its even radder now

>>12514985
>immediately brings up PragerU as a reaction to to the assertion that art is declining
Butthurt postmodern lefty spotted

>>12515039
You cum in your own mouth dont you

>>12515179
Because the topic is about the picture from PragerU?
I'm not even that poster or a lefty, but PragerU is fucking retarded

>>12515137
Making $1,000,000 creating "bullshit" artwork is no easier than making $1,000,000 by creating "bullshit" music. Otherwise fine arts grads working as baristas wouldn't be such a trope.

>>12514958
Yes.

>>12514958
I'm a classical music teacher and a composer

Yes, there is a taste in the air that art as a legitimate practice is dead or dying. Nothing has any punch, or any point to it. When was the last time a band, a song, a movie, or a work of art actually had a real effect on it's viewer? At best you'll think "Oh that was kind of neat" or "That was catchy".

It's almost like art is incapable of speaking to the viewer at this point in time. Even when I write classical music, there is a feeling in the back of my head that "this is pointless". Does it sound good? Sure. Do some people like it? Yeah. But it's just music for the sake of music.

When art was preserved for religious purposes or for kings, I think it may have held more meaning.

>>12515194
Oh my bad

>>12514958
art became personal expression late 19th century stupid graph

>>12515195
i didn't say anything about the difficulty of, and if you notice that sculpture that i attached that sold for 17 mil is a hyper naturalistic fiberglass, so even "it looks real so its good" fags cant say shit, but clearly it was made to fuck with the viewer (and the buyer)

>>12515137
most modern art is super serious human enlightenment shit. postmodern art is a break from this seriousness

>>12515198
=
>>12515153

>>12515198
what is a "real effect"?

>>12515213
yeah modern art was real serious stuff

>>12515211
I'd like to point out that its a total fallacy to assume that the curators, dealers, and collectors aren't in on an the joke

>>12515198
try watching a movie that doesn't involve men in tights, fuckin pleb, classical music fags are always the most aesthetically retarded, probably because to them "music" is about flawlessly performing some dead guys composition as if it's a sport like figure skating

>>12515227
of course they are, the only people that aren't are fucktards like the epic dragon carver guy who is obviously plebeian as shit

>>12515227
joke or not how comfortable would you feel buying a statue of hitler for 17 million? its a challenge

>>12515229
>try watching a movie that doesn't involve men in tights
What the fuck are you talking about
>classical music fags are always the most aesthetically retarded
What does this have to do with anything I said
>Music is about flawlessly performing some dead guys composition as if it's a sport
I just said I write my own music. New classical music is being written and performed constantly.

The worship of virtuosity is largely criticized in the classical music world. A filthy peasant like yourself doesn't know about any of this though

>>12514958
>That supposed rise after the exhibition at crystal palace
KEK

>>12515198
rage against the machine has more meaning than any so called classical music

>>12515234
Can't really see the dragon from that pic, maybe its cool? I doubt its much worse than the other sculpture in the pic. I love contemporary art but some of it is definitely bad.

>>12515214
>H-ha you don't think art and music are "progressing" in a linear fashion?
>h-ha you don't buy into the "progression of time" narrative"
>h-ha BOOMER
Room temperature IQ

>>12515242
>New classical music is being written and performed constantly.

really? did you take a time machine back to 1800?

>>12515244
How? You do realize classical music is highly political right?

Of course you don't. You're a pleb.
>unironically bringing up rage against the machine for any reason ever

I wonder what measurements underline that graph

>>12515249
>really? did you take a time machine back to 1800?
It's generally not promoted to the unwashed masses like yourself. But even passive music listeners are aware of this

>>12515251
>dude we won a war my country is so much better than your country

so deep

>>12515259
oh cool, cuz all i hear about is the only way classically trained douchebags can get gigs is playing bullshit video game soundtracks, wow what great art that is

While obviously you posted this to start shit, it’s amazing that that graph was made totally unrionically.

It absolutely trips over its dick on its own made up garbage. If Prager was paying any attention he would know that talking point says that after the 60s all art is reduced to ‘the political’, to the exclusion of the aesthetic. The whole ‘Harold Bloom’ industry is that art *loses* personal expression, in favour of exclusively *political* expression.

The whole reason these people hold up the romantic period, in poetry as in music, is because personal expression and pursuit of the aesthetic value of art for its own sake was at its peak.


Just astounding how mangled they got their own talking points there.

>>12515246
I'm suggesting they're changing not "progressing"

>>12515249
Not the guy you're responding to but January literally just ended and I've already seen two new compositions commissioned by a major orchestra. It still exists, you just need to realize the people making the prolefeed have no interest in exposing you to it.

>>12515005
LMFAOOOOOOO0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0
BASED AF LMAOOO

>>12515272
>he thinks donationbait from people who exist to grovel at the feet of the sacklers and kochs are doing anything important in art

not interested

>>12515272
that's an just an imitation of a time that can not be regained, i hope it was ironic otherwise its just sad

>>12515263
Nationalist classical music is actually not that common. A lot of classical music is based off of literary themes, historical events, philosophy, and surrealism. Why do you keep replying with resentful snarky jabs that expose your lack of knowledge on this topic?

>>12515264
Classical music really flares up the inferiority complex on this board. You aren't aware of what's going on in the classical music/art world because you're not involved in it or even educated on the topic.

The fact you think "video game soundtracks" are classical music says something

>>12515268
So why does that mean that something can't change for the worse?

>>12515289
Modern classical music is not imitating past styles.

>>12515282
Classical music is usually 50-100 years ahead of popular music. Pop music still hasn't caught up to Surrealist classical music

>>12515293
i said the place where classically trained douchebags have to get gigs is doing video game soundtracks not that its classical music, but hey its still better than being a whiney high school band teacher like you

>>12515302
>Modern classical

hah, whats next modern old masters

>Surrealist clasical

is it classic or is it surrealist

>>12515282
>>he thinks donationbait from people who exist to grovel at the feet of the sacklers and kochs are doing anything important in art

Classical/academic music has always been funded by aristocrats and wealthy elites. It's literally anti-pop music, meaning it is not made to be consumed by the masses. The fact you don't know about it means you're a modern peasant.

The only time classical music ever crossed over into pop-culture even briefly was during the romatic era where people like Franz Liszt and Scriabin became pop-ish icons. But even then, the unwashed filthy masses had no idea what they were actually hearing

>>12515293
do you ever get mad that your parents wouldn't let you get a guitar instead of whatever asspained bullshit they made you study?

>>12515303
Yeah and that isn't true. Career opportunities in classical music is the same as it's always been with a few added on since digital platforms have started.

>>12515308
Classical is a term referring to "academic" music, not the actual time period

>>12515313
you teach music, you are a fuckin servant my dude, you're like the butler in remains of the day who starts thinking he's actually doing something important

>>12515213
This is a brainlet view of modernism and post-modernism.

>>12515316
My parents never made me do anything, I also play 5 instruments including guitar.

If you improve yourself you won't have this pathetic effeminate inferiority complex

>>12515323
>Yeah and that isn't true.

wrong. i read the paper, moron.

>https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/arts/music/28schw.html

>academic music

oh well why don't u say that it's "academic music" then, or then you can't pretend to be a court musician for some noblemen but some washed out instrumentalist teaching miserable asians

>>12515329
>playing 5 instruments

not a good use of time sorry

>>12515324
I teach/perform/record/compose. That's exactly what I wanted to do with my life.

>teaching is servitude!
Literally every job in life is servitude.

What is the connection between blue boards and feverish inferiority complexes?

>>12515336
>inferiority complexes

you're the one desperately trying to justify wasting your life energy on a dead art form, no one cares bro

>>12515336
>What is the connection between blue boards and feverish inferiority complexes?
Given his completely uninformed take on art music he seems like a red boarder to me

>>12515332
>I read Jewyork Times, I am educated on this topic
>Rachmaninoff-like music
>Video game
>2008
>Viven Schweitzer
Hmm. I actually understand why the global elites think the population should be reduced by 80% now

>>12515341
>art music

thats the best one, only "art music" is art, other music is not art, i know it sucks to admit the shit you listen to is some silly academic bullshit, but just be honest and call it "academic music"

>>12515346
>claims to be nobleman from a wealthy millieu because he gives piano lesson to make ends meet
>says anti-semitic shit about new york

wow you're like twice as much of a loser now haha

>>12515341
>His
That is definitely a female poster
>Red boarder
I only get these unhinged replies on /mu/ and here.

>>12515339
>you're the one
I simply gave my opinion on art from the perspective of someone who spends most of their time doing or researching it. Lumpkin proletariats then got very triggered, not at my opinion, but at the fact I'm a classical musician

>that chart

>>12515352
Why are you so hostile to art? Were you molested by John Adams?

>>12515356
>piano teacher

sorry not triggered, but i thought it was funny that your opening troll was that there is are no more good films or art or whatever, i guess you know nothing about film or art

>>12515359
let me refer you back to your first idiotic spew

>>12515198
>When was the last time a band, a song, a movie, or a work of art actually had a real effect on it's viewer?

maybe you should check out some art besides your precious academic music, since it seems dead by your own estimation

>>12515353
>nobleman
Never said that
>anti-semitic shit!
Most notable classical musicians have been anti-semetic or at the very least skeptical of Jewish influence in society and academic music

>>12515367
your only chance was to pose as a wealthy jew, now you've gone and blown it, you really are a puny piano teacher from nowhere, sad

>>12515362
I said I was a classical music teacher, not a piano teacher.

>opening troll
That wasn't a troll. Why do lefties call opinions "trolls"? Is it because that's how it makes them feel?

>I guess you know nothing about film or art
If you think anything being released today is good, you are a member of the unwashed masses

>>12515366
>maybe you should check out some art besides your precious academic music, since it seems dead by your own estimation
>PRESCIOUS ACADEMIC MUSIC
Dear god you are just seething, what is wrong with you? Seriously

>>12515366
I didn't make that post lol
my first post ITT was >>12515272
you fucking doofus

>>12515352
"Art music" is another term for classical/academic music. People who are even passively interesting in high art know this.

>>12515367
You're being baited hard mate, stop it.

>>12515219
kys

>>12514958
>44 million dollar line

>>12515229
The absolute state of the average littard.
I love that some of the best music ever has been released recently and people like this will just go on about how it doesn't matter.

>>12515427
>tfw the trading of modern art is all a money laundering sham

>>12515244
Probably not even satire.
Reddit was a mistake.

Artworld is still open to representational painting, Jonathan Wateridge or Eric Fischl for example. Robert Florczak, the guy in the video this chart is taken from and the creator of the sublime artwork that is pic related, and by extension ArtRenewal are just buttmad that there is a relatively small market for boomer takes on l'art pompier.

>>12515313
This is a mistake though, and is a big reason why most classical today is just larping. In the West it is as empty as pop music.
And this is apart from the dichotomy being completely wrong. There are no more elites:
https://youtu.be/w59e20ijOpE

Chuck Close does extreme photorealistic portraiture, if that's your thing. All the more impressive considering he's severely paralyzed

>>12515005
fartists btfo

>>12515459
But for me, it's David Hockney
(there's nudity under the spoiler)

rap can be good

>>12515459
But he also paints old and ugly people, and /ic/ told me that painting old and ugly people is cultural marxism.

>>12515459
does this really make you feel anything?

>>12515198
I went to a choral concerto by Schnittke last week that made me weep. He's modern classical and was performed at this moment. Saw the film "Beautiful Boy" the other week and it was incredibly artful and human. Went to an artsy techno event on New Years Day and it was a fucking beautiful.

You should stop being so narrow and cynical. We live in the most diverse artistic period, you can turn off the radio and find good art all over if you look.

>>12515490
this
>>12515198
Should speak for himself. I fixed it for you:

I'm a classical music teacher and a composer

Yes, I sense a taste in the air that art as a legitimate practice is dead or dying. Nothing has moves me, I don't understand the point. When was the last time a band, a song, a movie, or a work of art actually had a real effect on me? At best I think think "Oh that was kind of neat" or "That was catchy".

It's almost like art is incapable of speaking to me at this point in time. Even when I write classical music, there is a feeling in the back of my head that "this is pointless". Does it sound good? Sure. Do some people like it? Yeah. But I just see it as music for the sake of music.

When art was preserved for religious purposes or for kings, I think it may have held more meaning.

>>12515521
Seems kinda sad desu hope hes okay

>>12515015
the arbitrary tastes of a 80 year old philistine

>>12515488
They're on a huge scale (like 8+ feet frequently), and yeah, when I stand in front of them I do feel things. It varies on who was being painted and their facial expressions, but that's the point. Sympathy, desire, annoyance, anxiety.

>>12515458
>In the West it is as empty as pop music.
Pretty much. The only thing it prides itself on being is more academic/musically sophisticated. Obviously it explores a wider range of sounds and artistic imagination, but there's still ultimately nothing there.

>that link
Yeah I've noticed this trend where classical musician cover pop songs. I'm not even going to click on that cuz it's going to be disgusting. But there is absolutely nothing tackier than performing a shitty pop song in classical arrangement. It's dorky and embarrassing

There is still new musically interesting classical music being made, but the overall feeling of it is "Oh yeah that's neat"

>>12515521
>When art was preserved for religious purposes or for kings, I think it may have held more meaning.
What of art made for the purpose self-expression?

>>12515490
>You should stop being so narrow and cynical. We live in the most diverse artistic period, you can turn off the radio and find good art all over if you look.
Dear god would you spergs just chill the fuck out. I'm not declaring that art is dead and nobody is allowed to ever enjoy anything ever again or something.

I'm glad you went to a good concert, I go to good concerts too. I still enjoy hearing music. I'm just saying it doesn't have the same cultural or maybe existential impact that it used to, it's just a commodity to be consumed. Doesn't mean that the music itself is horrible trash or something

>Beautiful boy
Cool, but think about how films were thought about even back in the 50's. A good film could change the zeitgeist of society, and actors/directors were considered larger than life idols. Today actors thought of as entertaining clowns, especially now that they're on Twitter bitching about DRUMPF every day. Really kills the divine mystique.

>>12515458
>is a big reason why most classical today is just larping.
This must be dependent on where you live. I live in Northern Europe and within a 200 km radius of me are tens of concert halls that give hundreds of classical concerts a month ranging from Classical to Romantic to serialist to post modern to, yes, some weird orchestral larping shit you link to. There's still living composers who will sit front row in the concert hall to see the premier of their avant garde oratorio.

But I admit it's easier for me to see the depth and diversity of classical music today because I am in the strongest region in the world for it. If you live in Lubbock, Texas you won't see any of this.

>>12515677
>A good film could change the zeitgeist of society
And you believe culture has now calcified?

>>12515677
>A good film could change the zeitgeist of society, and actors/directors were considered larger than life idols.
I don't think that last part is actually healthy; hero worship in Hollywood was never a good thing.

Perhaps "Beautiful Boy" won't have much impact in society, but there have been other contemporary films and TV series that are both fairly good and have more cultural presence.

>I'm just saying it doesn't have the same cultural or maybe existential impact that it used to
You don't know this. It was always for elites. Regular people did not see a Wagner opera. Have you seen the inside of a European concert hall? They don't hold millions of people, they hold a couple thousand. Art was always a thing for a small cadre of elites. The rest of folks listened to some chintzy folk music while drinking tankards of beer and read dimerag pulp if they could even read.

>>12515686
>And you believe culture has now calcified?
I'm not sure what it means. Could mean a lot of different things.

Maybe art/music was never meant to mean as much as it did before. Maybe the monopoly that the institutions (Hollywood, Academia) held on art inflated it's value so high that it was more influential than it ever should have been. Maybe the over-saturation and access to art has made it less impactful. Or maybe nobody has anything truly new or provocative to say (my bet).

In this moment, I think art is meant to be consumed as a purely aesthetic commodity. It is what it is.

I actually find Kpop girl groups fascinating. There's a reason Kpop is one of the only internationally growing styles of music at the moment. It's such a bizarre phenomenon, and the product itself is getting at something that the west isn't able to touch. It's like some sort of neo-bubble gum pop hyper feminine product that doesn't pretend to be anything other than what it is. Is America pop music will try to pretend to have depth or a "message", but Kpop is the absolute antithesis to this in the way that it is just shamelessly a product to be consumed, and in that way it almost gives it more depth because it isn't presenting itself as a lie like American pop does.

There's something going on there

>>12515694
>I don't think that last part is actually healthy; hero worship in Hollywood was never a good thing.
I partially agree, but you'll see societies in the past usually have some sort of hero worship going on in one way or another. In the past it was warriors/adventurers/legends and stuff like that. In the 20th century the "artist" become a cultural hero to be worshipped.

It seems like society has to have heroes to worship to some degree. It looks like it's shifting away from art and over to politics. Political figures are being worshipped and obsessed over. They are forming the mental zeitgeist of society far more than artists are now, but it used to be the other way around not long ago.

>>12515700
Do you make much of an effort to seek out new music you might actually like?

And are you actively engaged in following contemporary art?

> this moment, I think art is meant to be consumed as a purely aesthetic commodity. It is what it is.
That's a bold statement, think it applies to everything or just whats mainstream?

>>12515714
>Do you make much of an effort to seek out new music you might actually like?
I'm not saying that I don't find music I like. I have tons of new music that I like, In fact, I find so much music that I think sounds good it becomes relative and I don't even bother saving something good when I find it sometimes.

Yes I'm engaged in contemporary art I'm a composer. Off the top of my head, Marek Pasieczny is a great contemporary composer and I'm pretty sure the classical world is going to be playing his music in 50 years.

>think it applies to everything
Yeah I think it applies to everything because the west is nihilistic so it can only produce nihilistic art

>>12515709
>It looks like it's shifting away from art and over to politics.
Before ~1940 art was for elites because it could not be reproduced. It was not for regular people. Regular people drank, they fucked, they sang bawdy songs about drinking and fucking, and they either loved the king or they hated the king. Worshiping members of the state, be it some monarch or some populist politician was even *more* common than today because people could not access art. They couldn't attend concert halls or buy expensive books or go to elite galleries.

After World War 2 hero worship of politicians was *also* higher than today. Read first person histories of speeches by JFK, or the approval ratings and praises of Eisenhower. Hollywood itself was a fucking vehicle for political elites to control culture, albeit in a less overt way than the Soviets, who did the same thing.

Listen, I'm sympathetic to your comments since you are sensing some real numbing effects of the postmodern capitalist world we live in. But you have a very misguided romanticism of history that deeply misunderstands the actual conditions people lived in. I get it; you don't like DRUMPF comments all over and how dumb people talk about politics all the time in 2018/9. But you can't make up misremembered ideas of history as some basis for cynicism. Be cynical by all means, but do it with some better analysis.

>>12515714
By contemporary art I meant contemporary fine art (the stuff in art galleries)
>Yeah I think it applies to everything because the west is nihilistic so it can only produce nihilistic art
I guess sweeping, simplistic statements come from sweeping, simplistic observations

>>12515749
meant for
>>12515720

>>12515179
no thats the where the fucking picture is from

>>12515722
>WW2
Obviously the biggest and most dramatic war in human history is going to be the focal point of culture.

>Postmodern Capitalist
I'd call it Globalism, if you're implying that marxism is going to usher in a better human connection to art, I disagree

>misguided romanticism
No, ask any boomer and they will tell you nobody talked about politics when they were growing up. People hardly knew what the difference between the two parties were. Things like Woodstock, The Beatles, and the Rock/folk music movements were the cultural staples of that generation

>you don't like DRUMPF comments
I'm saying that there was a mystical connection between the artist and the audience before social media. Almost in a similar way between a priest and a congregation. You didn't know their mundane tasteless inner thoughts, you didn't know they were a whiny bitchy idiot, and you didn't know they were as/more boring than you are. You would only think about the art they had delivered to you and wonder where they found the inspiration for it. Now I can go to an artist's twitter page and see him blabbering on about something they know nothing about, which partially discredits their art. The absolute hero-legends around the rock stars from the 40's-00's were larger than life and people would imitate them as if they were divine myths or something.

It'd be like if you saw Jesus yelling at a McDonalds employee for forgetting to put ketchup on his burger. really kills the vibe.

>Peasants
Peasants attended church and enjoyed religious music as well as folk tunes, and these meant a lot. Even my mother's generation considers baptist hymns to be nearly sacred

>>12514958
i mean i sort of agree with this but the graph still made me kek, why the fuck do people insist of graphing things that are ungraphable and make themselves look like retards?

>>12514958
read Spengler
>>12514988
>there's so many more people living the world today
>dude, just put more monkeys into typewriters
kek

>>12515153
>nothing ever changes
except it does

isn't painting and sculpture just a money laundering scheme? i thought this was common knowledge

>>12515223
>that thing is over 100 years and still hasn't been surpassed
based

>>12515237
would feel like shitposting in real life , not sure the satisfaction would last more than 10 seconds

>>12515808
Fuck off.

>>12515770
>I'd call it Globalism, if you're implying that marxism is going to usher in a better human connection to art, I disagree
I don't have thoughts on what will make the world better, I'm just an anon. Marxism is modernist trash, sure, but don't think the term Globalism is intrinsically linked with capitalism, regardless of your anxiety that once a critique of capitalism is given we are now suddenly agreeing with Marxism.

>No, ask any boomer and they will tell you nobody talked about politics when they were growing up.
Then these Boomers are fucking morons. They assassinated presidents, politicians, made lists of suspected communists, ran nuclear war drills, sent men by the millions to fight wars they didn't understand, had race riots where *hundreds* died, had dozens terrorist bombing campaigns from environmentalists and anarchists and Puerto Rican separatists and racial supremacists of all types. And that's just America, in Europe you had separatist wars in half the nations, Communist suppression, more being killed by IRA/Basque/Corsican terrorism in five years than Muslim terrorists have ever killed in Europe the past 20.

>Things like Woodstock, The Beatles, and the Rock/folk music movements were the cultural staples of that generation
Regular people who weren't twenty-something hippies hated that hippie Woodstock shit at the time. The Beatles and rock were so impactful because it was the first time that mass produced music and international concert tours could happen at a reasonable price for normal people.

>>12515826
>don't think the term Globalism is intrinsically linked with capitalism
meant to say don't think the term Globalism *isn't* intrinsicallly linked with capitlism

>>12515263
>dude, this idea i just pulled from my ass 5 minutes ago on which nobody is ever going to give a second thought is more important that the history of a people spanning centuries and uniting millions of lives
sure, good thing is most of you guys are not reproducing anyway, so you'll last as long as your "ideas"

Chart is retarded considering Modernism was one of the heights of art

>>12515770
>No, ask any boomer and they will tell you nobody talked about politics when they were growing up.
Wow this is totally wrong. The 1960's is by far the most politically volatile and politically violent period of Western post-war history.

>>12515841
It was a short flashpoint mostly engineered by the media/elite. Yeah I'm not saying that people didn't engage in politics at certain times, but it wasn't like it is now where everyone on Earth is obsessively scowering internet news/political sources and yelling at each other on social media over it. Families weren't splitting apart over petty political disagreements as much as they are now. And even during the 60's, artists/musicians were influential through that period as well in a way that they are definitely not influential today. Political music/art is not well received

The obsession of politics has replaced art/entertainment

>>12515039
nice lord of the rings fan art

>>12515871
>Families weren't splitting apart over petty political disagreements as much as they are now.
Yes they absolutely were. My father is a boomer who grew up in rural south Georgia (the US state). He was basically disowned by his family because he was pro-civil rights, liked Bob Dylan, dated a Venezuelan girl in college etc. You know why? Because civil rights and liberal rock musicians were major taboos for large portions of the country and they didn't take kindly to changes happening in the country. Politics wasn't just discussed, people were dying over it. They were sending bombs and protesting by the millions and being shot by the hundreds. If there is one thing you are sort of getting at that I agree with is that political engagement is cheap these days. #Resistance is a hashtag. In my father's day it was action. But make no mistake politics was still everywhere.

>>12514988
why the blood? has she been having a bit of fun while on the blob?

>>12514988
looks like bad cgi

>>12514988
>>12515921
Its kind of embarrassing - and a little counterproductive - when people try to stick up for contemporary art by exemplifying cheesy archaic painters.

>>12515893
>You know why? Because civil rights and liberal rock musicians were major taboos for large portions of the country and they didn't take kindly to changes happening in the country.
This is some Chomsky-tier garbage. The Cold War cultural wars taking place in America and Europe were all funded either by the Soviets or the CIA and American elites. The CIA and elite foundations funded nearly all the anti-communist left wing groups in Europe and America, and Joseph McCarthy was right about the significance of communists on American soil a few decades before. This is a matter of public record now (yet all we hear about from the left is how the CIA funded anti-commie rightist groups). The whole idea that this debacle was some sort of bottom up virtuous people power fighting for civil rights against 50s white picket fences is delusional revisionism written by the same people (academics and journalists) who were funded by intelligence agencies and elites. It was an astroturfed movement, much like today's color revolutions, and its aim was control over the western left to be put under the boot of the globalists (which they were).

>>12516002
You must have misinterpreted what I was trying to say because I agree with your reply for the most part. Lots of the political division was being covertly controlled, but a lot of people were earnestly caught up in it even if they weren't read in like an elite.

>>12515815
>Time of pleasure: fleeting

>>12515153
what kitsch

>music puts focus on what the musician looks like
>visual art puts focus on everything except what the piece looks like

Right wingers are morons who cant comprehend the idea that art isnt a mechanical reproduction.
And that its more than an expression. Its an experience.
The purpose of art is to evoke emotion from the viewer. This doesnt always have to be a good emotion. Think of horror movies for instance.
The purpose of art is two fold. To evoke emotion and to make you think.
This creates an experience which forces the consumer to search for meaning.

It makes the art memorable.

Lets take edward hopper for an example. This man paints in a realistic style. The ashcan school.

Oh, but its more than a person sitting at a table.

You feel it. You feel the alienation of a person in the city

>>12516084
>The purpose of art is to evoke emotion from the viewer.
>The purpose of art is two fold. To evoke emotion and to make you think.

>>12516084
>And that its more than an expression. Its an experience.
sounds like C O P E to me

>>12516064
what about it

>>12514958
I wonder why.

>>12516078
and
>literature puts focus on what the font looks like
haha am I right pal

>>12516099
You want to make a good painting?
Here are the ingredients

1. good composition
2. the elements of painting and drawing
3. idea generation
4. aesththics
5. color scheme
6. theme
7. symbols
8. motifs
9. avoiding sentimentality through the subtle and nuance (show dont tell)


The purpose of all good art is to be memorable and extract an aesthetic emotion from the public

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetic_emotions

Our purpose as artist is to create meaning, hide it, then force the viewer to look for it. Then once found evoke an emotion, and implant our art as visual memory

There are claims of knowledge that can be communicated, but cannot be independently proven ( "proven" in it's colloquial sense). Existence or non-existence of God, things that are a matter of faith.

There are also claims of knowledge that go even beyond that, knowledge that not only cannot be independently tested, but also cannot be communicated by discursive language. Art is capable of communicating this knowledge.

It is not that reason or faith should be disregarded, but they have their limitations. If one is capable of both, they could perhaps go an extra step forward. If you want a more down to earth explanation, let's say that this final step is taken in the subconscious, a domain of dreams that is not as strict in logic as normal thought, where things arise before you are aware of them.

>>12516114
it's absolutely tasteless

>>12516146
but current art is more self-referential, cute and clever than that. is basically just shitposting in real life and in-jokes memes for artists, nothing you said is present there

>>12516146
wow such insight many aesthetics lol

>>12516160
talk shit post art

>>12516176
is this supposed to be funny?

>>12515438
>some of the best music ever has been released recently
Ahaha you fucking dum-dum

>>12516146
are you underage or just not very self-aware?

>>12516194
ever heard of... eccojams by chuck person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unN7QvSWSTo

>>12516176
I wanna know where your taste lies, are you more conservative or do like more esoteric work?

Literally everyone in this thread is retarded and has a conception of art somewhere between "naive child", "clueless pseud" and "angry prole". Neck you're'selves.

>>12516208
woops, directed to
>>12516184

>>12516207
>this is his evidence
Ahaha stop

>>12516207
>OPN
>some of the best music ever
Woah. Dude have you heard the band called Arcade Fire? They're like literally the best.

>>12516212
your van gogh knock off isn't much better

>>12514958
do people take this graph seriously?
also why does it start at 1800

>>12516212
are you
>>12516184
?
That print(?) looks like the kind work a middle aged person doing night classes in art would make. Is it yours?

>>12516224
there can be no art, nor architecture after the holocaust

>>12516242
That didn't but should have happened.

There are literally more skilled artists alive right now then there have ever been throughout history combined.
If you're some turbo pleb who thinks naked people drawn as realistically as possible is the pinnacle of art there are hundreds of ateliers all around the world pumping out thousands of artists like that. More than that there's plenty of contemporary painters, who combine excellent skill with more imaginative subjects. If you're willing to look beyond your juvenile attitude, you'll also find that some of the most skilled draughtsman living today work in the entertainment industry or function as illustrators.

>>12516216
>>12516222
And with these posts you've outed yourself as soulless automatons, incapable of feeling, only posturing to try to get higher in the monkey hierarchy. Embarrassing.

>>12516249
>and this art-school freshman sketch is his evidence

kek

>>12516249
>There are literally more skilled artists alive right now then there have ever been throughout history combined.
>just put more monkeys into typewriters
keked again, why do retards believe this? has egalitarianism bullshit just rotten all of your brains?

>>12516164
yes and?

Thats exactly what i said. Arts purpose is to be memomrable through gaining the emotional atteion of the viewer.
The emotions dont always have to be good.

It can be anger, disgust, or even fear.

This is what the poltards dont get. They are doing it on purpose. They are making the "shit" are on purpose to troll you and make you remember it


Also the whole point of conceptual are is to put the emphasis on the idea instead of the end product .

There are basically three types of fine art.

Figurative, abstract, and conceptual

Solid, liquid, gas

ha

>>12516259
>More people=>more skilled people

How's that even remotely controversial, retard? Why do you keep parroting this meme, when it isn't even about what he said?

>>12516249
>most skilled draughtsman living today work
And THIS is what they have to offer? What the fuck is wrong with the guy on the right? Torso as long as a centaur's, those amorphous legs, the one further away even bigger then the closer one.

Like the trolls in this thread. They dont respond with arguments, they respond with insults.

"how old are you"
"green text"
"kek"

Trolling is an art. And pol tards are very bad at art

>>12516249
I'm not one of the people in the thread who thinks contemporary art sucks. However
>There are literally more skilled artists alive right now then there have ever been throughout history combined.
This is just not true

>>12516263
but it's not memorable

>>12516269
Then tell me about all those skilled chinese and arabic artists, if they have so many skilled men, where are their works? Can I visit their Louvre?

>>12516269
>How's that even remotely controversial, retard?
because people are not all the same, more people doesn't mean better people

>>12516290
Chinese kids are literally more technically proficient than 90% of ''''old masters'''''.

>>12516263
>There are basically three types of fine art.
>Figurative, abstract, and conceptual
Which one of these is this work?

>>12516288
it is though. so much so that it haunts the dreams of the conservative minded to the point they make awful threads like this or write long winded polemicals in barely read conservtive papers about how REEEl are should be.

Let me guess.

Hyper realistic landscape paintings

>>12516298
As I said, I want to see their works. With the amount of people there, there should be plenty of paintings dwarfing the Sistine Chapel, overshadowing the Michelangelo's David.

Are there none? Are you completely ignorant? Which is it?

>>12516229
>>12516241
>not knowing Schiele
>this is the people "redpilling" others on art

As a classical guitarist all I hear around is shitty music. I like many dadrock bands, but today's mainstream music it's very uninteresting and incapable of producing the feeling of the sublime. What is worst is that when I play guitar I can feel everyone amazed and touched, but they just don't pursue that kind of stimulation any further, it is truly sad.

>>12515015
Arts/cm

>>12516316
It's shit. Sorry.

>>12516291
That's not what I said. I said more people=>more skilled people.

>>12516199
if you have to ask the answer is probably both

>>12516312
How about you google it instead you nigger.
I'd post some of their work, but you'd deflect with some nonsense about how it's soulless or whatever. It's no secret to anyone who's even remotely interested in art that the Chinese are technically very proficient (albeit generic and workman like in what they produce).
Also, nice entry-level namedrop with Michelangelo there. Way to out yourself as a pleb. What's next, your favourite composer is Mozart?

>>12516317
>I can feel everyone amazed and touched, but they just don't pursue that kind of stimulation any further

based narcissistic daydreamer
normies gobble any competent sounding performance up, don't flatter yourself

>>12516316
You chose a pretty heinous work of his to show off, poor taste.
Not all art works age well, maybe not even the fault of the artist so much as their work inspires so much bad work its hard to see it in a good light pic related

>>12516084

Better than leftists, who like Benjamin said in his essay on art and mechanical reproduction, can't stop themselves from politicizing aesthetics and just enjoy art for the sake of it.

PS

Leftist politics has been mechanical from the very beginning, since it grounds itself in science (and science's ontology since the early modern period has been mechanism). All kinds of leftism, including liberalism and communism, share the same ontology: they are mechanical bugman politics. Cog-workers and cog-voters interacting with other bee-cogs in a giant communal machine-hive.

>>12515198
>When was the last time a band, a song, a movie, or a work of art actually had a real effect on it's viewer?
I'm pretty sure mumble rap has real effect on it's audience. I wouldn't say a good one.

But what would you call a "real effect" and why do you think it existed in times you don't remember personally?

>ooga booga, old good, new bad
You can still jerk off to drawings of naked men, you know. That sort of stuff still exists.

>>12516348
You're not fooling anybody with that pathetic attempt to save face, sorry. Every word you said was a lie, don't respond to me again unless you've got the names of those artists.

>>12516351
Based cynical poster. I made dozens of people take up guitar.

>>12516352
>You chose a pretty heinous work of his to show off, poor taste.
Truly nothing worse than a philistine with Dunning-Kruger.

>>12516300
comfy art

>>12516310
except the conservatives that rage against current art haven't seen any current art except for that toilet that was put in a museum more than 100 years ago

>>12516338
still doesn't follow, more people just means more people, they may all be plebs, because there are more doesn't mean any of them is skilled

>>12516380
Normie sees a guitar, normie thinks about picking up guitar. You literally don't play a role in this.

>>12516381
ggrr np you dumb dumb >:(

>>12516356
>Leftist politics has been mechanical from the very beginning, since it grounds itself in science
Doubt. What's mechanical about human rights? What's mechanical about nationalism? What's mechanical about individualism?

"Mechanical" perceptions came later on, when people begun to analyze human society from material perspective.

>bugman
Anti-consumerism has been leftist stance for most of 20th century.

>>12516397
>replying to underage magahatters

>>12516263
>>12516146
Good god you are an absolutely insufferable poster. Nothing in these posts, or any of your other posts has been warranted in any way. You've just made a series of assertions. What sort of person comes into a thread about art, claims everyone is a stupid pseud, makes a series of claims about the purpose(s) of art, and then doesn't even bother to support them? All the while calling everyone else pseuds. You are the pseud here. You've done nothing to support your claims. The other anons are right about the whole Dunning-Kruger thing. You lack any sort of awareness about just how stupid you are coming across here.

>>12516385
nah, they are idiots

They dont get the idea that the 2deep4u art isnt about the OBJE DE ART. its about the idea or the process

>>12516406
wow. Its almost like trying to define what art is is a fruitless purpose and everyone had thier own take .
Like you, a spastic idiot who has no actual arguments but just insults

Go ahead and make sentimental art. Im sure lots of people will vomit

throughout history, art has generally been mostly bad, there have been a handful of good periods.

>>12516385
>>12516408
You are not artists. Your degrees are worthless.

>>12516421
Oh, im sorry, do you want my art badge and my art gun sir?

>>12516419
name a bad period

>>12516434
No.

>>12516418
>Go ahead and make sentimental art.
>Go ahead and make landscape paintings.
>Go ahead and make realistic portrait.

Why do you build this strawman where you imagine somebody liking the these things which you think are "the devil"? I'm sorry, but you're just acting like an idea-possessed child, who watched one documentary too many and now repeats everything ad nauseam. It's embarrassing.

>>12516421
What's your degree? Computer "Science"? lol

>>12516437
christian dark ages, basically everything from fall of rome to the renaissance

Can all the artists in this thread please post your work?

>>12516437
shakespeare until keats

>>12516456
lmao do you actually have an art degree?

>>12516387
If distribution function stayed the same there would be clear implication.

Distribution function could be on one side affected by art education of masses, more free time and growing demand for art. On other side there is the dissolution of traditional upper class, influence of Angloid utilitarianism and Sinoid totalitarianism, the demand for art is mostly driven by advertisement and art experiences greater divide between target audiences (easy art for plebs, pretentious art for snobs).

Do you think the distribution of skill would be affected so much that it would negate the demographic growth?

>>12516450
>I'm sorry, but you're just acting like an idea-possessed child, who watched one documentary too many and now repeats everything ad nauseam. It's embarrassing.

Are we projecting, sir Scruton?

>>12516408
the whole point is that the idea or the process are bad
>>12516421
learn to code retard

>>12516397
>"Mechanical" perceptions came later on
No, you suck at history and philosophy. The majority of leftist politics, especially liberalism and communism can be traced back to the enlightenment political and scientific projects. This is undeniable to anyone that has read any history. Natural philosophy and science itself is grounded in mechanical philosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_philosophy and both the liberal and communist projects pride themselves as having a "scientific" approach to their philosophy. Mechanism is the ontology that underlies both socio-political projects.

>>12516402

Something tells me you wouldn't be able to give an adequate reply that isn't weird twitter boilerplate about pissbabies or cum.

>>12516466
>the demand for art is mostly driven by advertisement and art experiences greater divide between target audiences

>>12516465
looks like I was right, enjoy your life

>>12516469
Scruton? oh lol, it's worse than I thought

>>12516461
this

>>12516418
>gives claims about function
>hurr durr definition of art

You're either stupid or deflecting. Go back and read your posts. You made several claims about the _function_ of art. Not a definition: it's role or part or ends it plays. You also did this without support. Again, feel free to support this, or out yourself as a pseud in your next post.

>>12516476
deviantart link?

>>12515039
>falling for the 'modern art' jew

Beauty is self evident and thus cannot be sold. Modern art has ((meaning)) and ((subjective depth)) which can be used to sell overpriced garbage to idiots. They have to be told what it means then they can feel smart when they explain it to their friends. A Rembrandt or a Gerome doesn't need a hard sell and therefore doesn't fit the purposes of the art industry because any pleb can look at them and see they are the work of masters who spent thousands of hours at their craft.

>>12516485
linkedin profile?

>>12516495
money laundering scheme

>>12516471
>literally replies in poltardian buzzwords
>his arguments are "you suck" and "this is undeniable"

>>12516495
old paintings sell like hot cakes
let me guess, you think modern art is something that started in 1950

>>12516471
>No, you suck at history and philosophy.
>Muh insults
Why did you ignored my questions?

> The majority of leftist politics, especially liberalism and communism can be traced back to the enlightenment political and scientific projects.
Is absolutism leftist?

>both the liberal and communist projects pride themselves as having a "scientific" approach to their philosophy
Only Marxism prides itself at being "scientific". Liberalism was often grounded in either humanism or christianity.

>art is dea-

>>12516501
lol, left can't meme

>>12516504
Where did I imply either of those things?
>Beauty is self evident and thus cannot be sold
Meaning nobody can convince you to buy it, not that it cannot be exchanged for money.

>>12516516
wrong image, sorry

>>12516528

>>12516146
Damn this post really triggered NPCs

>NO WAHHH EVERYTHING IS FLUID AND RELATIVE STOP

leftists, shitskins, political correctness and the rise of mediocrity helped bringing down the quality of art, now it´s just pure propaganda, goebell´s wet dream coming into fruition

>>12516543
>>12516146
obvious samef*g

>>12516557
haven't seen that pic in a while except for the version that's with girls

>>12516564
post girls

>>12515479
Andre 3000 is so underrated

>>12516557
What's up with the samefacing in the painting?

>>12515479
>>12516625
*ahem*
NO NIGGER IS GOOD GET IF THROUGH YOUR SPEAR CHUCKER LOVING BRAINS
UNDERRATED? JIGABOO SHOULD CONSIDER HIMSELF LUCKY HE WAS RATED AT ALL WITHOUT THE WHITE MAN HE WOULD BE IN THE FUCKING JUNGLE

>>12516637
all wh*te people look the same

>>12516637
Romans arr rook same

>>12516637
Franco-Prussian war, no money for teh models.

>>12516501
The "undeniable" part is that is common historical knowledge that the enlightenment kicked things off for liberalism. Not even going to bother with the other stuff, as you proved my point about being an idiot.

>>12516511
>Muh insults
You're insulting everyone in this thread, buddy. Why do leftists act like dickbags, but when people push back they cry about fascists or people being mean?

>Why did you ignored my questions?
Because they are completely irrelevant to the higher metaphysical claims being made. They are subsets of the general claim about the political system, e.g. rights (a subset of judicial aspects, which is a subset of the political), nationalism (a subset of politics), individualism (a subset of the people, hence politics) etc. A judicial system is a large scale system of interacting parts (laws, lawyers, judges, those that are judged) that produces a phenomenon (justice). Which is exactly what a mechanism is. Juridicial systems are mechanical and bugman-like in their surveillance and sorting methods. Same arguments, which you will ignore, can be made for any other claims. Science is intertwined with enlightenment thought, which produces liberalism and left politics. This mechanical ideology that underlies science also still underlies the major left wing positions today.

>Only Marxism prides itself at being "scientific".

Hence a bugman mechanical ideology which produces gulags, worker bees, and sociopathic technocrats.

>Liberalism was often grounded in either humanism or christianity.

The history of the idea draws on Newton, Descartes, Leibniz, Bacon, Locke, and others all of who assumed that nature was an orderly mechanical process that could be discovered rationally or empirically. This was then extended into the social and political domains. It was also at odds with Christian metaphysics. The ideology of scientific mechanism devours humanism by its nature, because humans can be broken down mechanically from the biochemical level to the ecological. Humans are no longer special under such a political idea.

>>12515962
EEEEEEE

Is art comfort or pain? Or is it the comfort to the pain?

>>12516393
>>12516363
>>12516352
>>12516249
These are all shit.

>>12516437
>name a bad period
Social justice dark ages.

>>12516461
>>12516483

Hi, I'm a lurker but I am vocal now because I like this thread.

I paint outside and alone because I hate everyone and actually want to paint pretty waifus.

I have no degree but I frequent art galleries and wikepedia archives. I have no artistic peers and I am alone in a rural area where my love for painting is only shared by retirees who I cannot Relate to.

Here is something I painted on an unsuccessful day of fishing. It was foggy and the river was mudded out from rain. I was happier then.

btw I have seen >>12516393
in person, it is nice.

>>12516249
this is a pretty dumb post

>>12516731
>lurker

Doubt it. You are probably one of the anons above.

>>12516731
That's nice. Got any waifus you could post?
Also have you tried /ic/?

>>12515198
There are songs and movies and works of art being made today that have real effects on me - just not being made in America

>>12516752
Which songs and movies?

>>12516752
okay weeb

>>12516751
What's /ic/ like? I have not lurked or posted there before.

>>12516761
no bully

>>12515005
Underrated post. Nice singles.

>>12515005

shining + literature = shiterature

>>12516755

ANSWER ME ABOUT THE SONGS AND MOVIES

>>12516638
Ahem,

N

>>12516679
Judicial system isn't a product of liberalism, retard. And "well like a thing with interacting parts is like a mechanism okay dude" an argument. Neither is repeating your unsubstantiated claim with more clumsy namedropping and "bugman". Not your political subreddit, apply yourself.

>>12516755
Recently I've been fairly effected by the following movies:
The Four Times (2010) (Italian)
Norte, the End of History (2013) (Philippines)
Police Adjective (2009) (Romanian)
Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Post Lives (2010) (Thai)
Once Upon a Time in Anatolia (2011) (Turkey)

>>12516761
The Japanese don't make good movies anymore, unfortunately.

>>12516765
/ic/ is alright, shitting on people is frowned, and you might learn something
it has some downsides, I guess some of them come with a more female userbase, or people using it as a stepping stone to internet fame and money

>>12516679
>You're insulting everyone in this thread, buddy
Stop projecting and contain your emotions.

>A judicial system is a large scale system of interacting parts (laws, lawyers, judges, those that are judged) that produces a phenomenon (justice).
A religion is a large scale system of interacting parts (Pope, priest, monk, bishop, those that are taught) that produces a phenomenom (God)

>Hence a bugman mechanical ideology
You don't have much experience with communism, do you? It's quite the opposite of bugmanship. Bugmen are meak, deracinated consumerists, driven by meaningless popculture. Commies were tough and capable of immense suffering for their goal of creating utopia; people here were were also shielded from popculture and had stronger communal bonds. You really should ease up on the insults, just because you recently discovered one and through how cool it is, doesn't mean you can apply to to anything you don't like.

>Because they are completely irrelevant to the higher metaphysical claims being made
Nope, they are very relevant. Because they themselve contain non-material claims.

>This mechanical ideology that underlies science also still underlies the major left wing positions today.
Really? Try doing some research into genetic-race-intellegence. Suddenly the left will argue in divine value of human and right will reduce human to the expression of genes. Or capitalism/communism discussion where the right will say that communism Doesn't Work (!) due to claims made by the science of economics. Same thing with genderbenders. Science is simply the objective arbiter of ideas, people regardless of ideology will flock to science if it proves them right.

>The ideology of scientific mechanism devours humanism by its nature
So does God. However You made an interesting point there, too bad you haven't expanded on it, since the area where science begins to devour Man is domain of The Right. Darwin discovered that Man is related to monkey and nature is ruled by the survival of fittest, but he refused to extend his observation on humanity. It is The Right that finds joy in applying his godless ideas on humanity.

Truly the old masters are unrivaled in their ability.

kanye west is one of the greatest artists we've had. i'm pretty sure of that

>>12516789
Original discussion was about the mechanical nature of leftism and how this permeates through its thought. Given its ties to science, it is thoroughly bugman, because science is built on the mechanical ontology and has been for hundreds of years. Anyone that has studied the history of mechanism and science knows this. It's gone under various names: disenchantment, etc.

>>12516797

>Stop projecting and contain your emotions.

You're the one calling people pseuds and responding to everyone. There is hundreds of posts and only 60+ ids. It's obvious you're samefagging hard, and you were the one that started off with the insults. Classic leftist gaslighting.

>that produces a phenomenom (God)

Ass backwards ontology. Bad analogy.

>Science is simply the objective arbiter of ideas

Are you seriously trying to argue against not being a bugman while making fedora tipping /sci/ claims like science being an "objective arbited of ideas" and trying to map some macho talk to communism? You really do lack self awareness.

Also, you couldn't miss the point more. The original claim was one about metaphysics, not epistemology. Treating things as mechanisms is the ontology of science. That is even what I said above. Shifting your commie-defending bullshit to the epistemology of science (it's an arbiter) is a category mistake: they are two different topics. The issue is one of what science believes exists generally, not how one goes about knowing it. Try again.

>So does God.

Unsupported.

>Nope, they are very relevant. Because they themselve contain non-material claims.

You don't understand what a subset is.

> It is The Right that finds joy in applying his godless ideas on humanity.

Right, because the Soviets didn't have societies dedicated to the godless and athiesm and went around killing Orthodox Christians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Godless lmao. Commies really are retarded.

>>12516796
who has become famous on /ic/?

>>12514988
kitch ain't art

>>12516889
why

>>12516787
I

>>12516891
ask the dust, i don't know, i don't make the rules

>>12516748
no i promise, i just read through the anger and felt a connection to my fellow channer
>>12516751
Here is the only thing i could find, a wisp on the margins of my notes... while i go paint impressionistic representations of the backcountry i'd rather be a drawing draconic-hussars fighting hellbeasts

I think i'll take your advice and go get yelled at over there for loomis some more.

>>12516925
Post some more. Got any more landscapes?

>>12516930
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>>12516938
please, stop spamming garbage

>>12516957
Post some art you would consider good.

>>12516957
entire thread is filled with garbage

>>12516879
>You're the one calling people pseuds and responding to everyone.
Different poster. Contain your emotions.

>Ass backwards ontology.
That's the point, since so was your example.

>Are you seriously trying to argue against not being a bugman
Nope, my personality is irrelevant to the discussion.

>You really do lack self awareness.
Could you please try to argument, instead of writing insults?

>they are two different topics
Yup. With the commie thing, I was merely pointing out your inability to use internet slang correctly.

>Unsupported.
Oh, so you no longer believe in Allah? Off with your head, infidel! Do you have AIDS? Don't seek cure, it's punishment from God!

>You don't understand what a subset is.
If a set contains subset and the subsets contains an element, doesn't it mean the set contains the element as well?

>Right, because the Soviets didn't have societies dedicated to the godless and athiesm
What does that have to do with anything? Social Darwinism and Eugenics enjoyed (and still enjoy) much greater support from The Right than from the Left.

>>12516963

>>12516495
>if it looks nice it's art

>>12516084
/thread

>>12516679
>but when people push back they cry about fascists or people being mean?
so much projection. I've seen /pol/ and I know all you people are exactly like what you described, just replaced fascist with jew or cultural marxist or shill or some other bullshit.

>>12517000
get off 4channel and go outside because he's right

>>12516946
this one was ok, it was painted in the same geographical area. i am moving into portraits so that i can properly render my drawings because at the moment i either go 1mg of graphite or 500ml of paint. Thanks for showing interest btw, really helps my attitude!

>>12517020
I do all the time and he describes 0.1% of actual people.

>>12516980
this is BAD

>>12516891
it's supposed to be a sort of joke

>>12516980
this is GOOD

>>12515722
This might be one of the most historically misinformed posts to ever grace this board. I'm happy that I got to witness it.

>>12516973

>That's the point, since so was your example.

No, one is built up out of a social ontology, the other is a religious system. You need to show how the two are analogous. Merely making an analogy is not an argument for the analogy. It's not my job to make my arguments for you.

>Nope, my personality is irrelevant to the discussion.

Your ethos matters to the claims if you defend a massive system of gulaging and death with hundreds of millions dead. So yes, your personality and character matters since it informs your worldview. inb4 something about me defending God. Notice you are the one claiming I'm doing that, which says more about you than me. Again, your personality matters to the discussion.

>Could you please try to argument, instead of writing insults?

Can you actually try to make some arguments, because so far you've made none. All your posts so car mostly contain single lined claims or questions (much like the original poster who was insulting people did). Bare assertions aren't arguments, neither are questions.

> internet slang correctly

Small-souled bugman is from MyPostingCareer. It's an apt term for communists and most leftists, because again, the mechanist worldview produces soulless automatons and hiveminded NPCs.

>If a set contains subset and the subsets contains an element, doesn't it mean the set contains the element as well?

No, confusion again. Elements are considered the building blocks of sets. They are like tokens. We were talking abstractly about the sets themselves, which are like types. We are talking about the generic concepts of the sets/types themselves. You can't point to a "right".

>Oh, so you no longer believe in ...

Strawman. Claim was about irrelevancy to do with the concept of humanism. You are shifting from the concept of humanism (which is hard to know which humanism you are talking about, since it is ambiguous) to humans themselves.

>What does that have to do with anything?

You are pretty disingenuous. You said, "It is The Right that finds joy in applying his godless ideas on humanity." And I pointed out a common theme among communists: the atheism and anti-religion with a widespread aesthetic society present under the soviets (even with their name of godless right there in the title).

I'm not even sure I'm going to continue this discussion, as I appear to be the only person in this half of the conversation making any effort while you make lazy one liners, irrelevant offsides, and continue to be completely obtuse about something that is well known in the history of science.

>>12514958
The only real art is storytelling.

>>12517170
uga buga

>Youtube has been removing their videos from recommendations

>>12515293
Nationalist themes make up a huge portion of classical music from like 1850 to the First World War.
It’s like one of the major aspects of romantic era music, the incorporation of folk melodies in art pieces for nationalist reasons.

>>12515293
nationalism was considered left-wing in the medieval era since it meant you believed the government should serve the empire instead of the king.

>>12516980

this is what real art ought to look like
Fight me

>>12517283
You like is because he looks depressed just like you, you think he opted out of society too.

How ironic that you have no idea what this paining is even about.

>>12517297
1) i'm not depressed
2)Yes I do

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>>12515244
Your prejudice/ignorance is laughable. I hope you're a teen edgelord and not a grown man because you're stunted

>>12517433
what's it about then?

>>12515694
Depends on how elite you mean by elite.
Those concert halls all held a couple hundred people but they had classical performances, opera, whatever, five nights a week plus matinees, etc. That's a lot of people.
There were also cheap theaters where you went to hear crowd pleasing waltzes you could dance to, and people also bought sheet music to play on their home pianos. Every bar, whorehouse, etc. in European cities had a piano player every night.
These aren't peasants, of course, but middle class city people.