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Actual STEM phd here. There were lots of kids like you throughout my physics degree. Less in the actual phd, some of them actually know some philosophy and are actually intelligent. A lot of the really famous ones (Einstein, Oppenheimer, Boltzman) were well-versed in philosophy.
If you don't see the point in philosophy then there's no helping you.

>>12512984
Science is a branch of philosophy.
If you dont understand this, you dont understand the limitations of your own field and your work will be weak and useless.

>>12512984
There's no helping you. Sorry.

>>12512984
I have 150iq and you're wrong.

>jobs are rated by bugman utility
enjoy your "career"

>>12513011
Absolutely. The best scientists are great not purely because of intelligence but also because they properly understand the foundations and limits of their field, and therefore they knew where to aim their work.

>>12512984
>useless and a waste of time
Prove to me that math isn't useless and a waste of time

>>12513011
no. natural philosophy isn't philosophy, it's science. philosophy can only exist on the outer edges of science. when a speculative endeavour of the natural world becomes congealed within the scientific method, it ceases to be philosophy and becomes science.

>>12512984
newton studied philosophy and Christianity way more than physics.

If you aren't a complete sperg you'd already know the answer to that. But you are a fedora tier cringe fag.

nobody will ever respect you btw.

t. have doctorate in stem field, would give it all up money and everything to be a philosophy professor

>>12512984
Enjoyable stories are a waste of time? I can only imagine how boring you must be to talk to, or maybe you're just full of yourself and unwilling to listen.
Philosophy however.. It's a waste of time if you have an innate grasp, if not.. You'll still be ignorant despite your IQ.

>>12513048
>the scientific method is an all-powerful tool without limits
This is where you are wrong
Also please notice how the first thing you did to refute my point was discussing epistemology.
Philosophy is in the foundations of science, because it's in the foundations of knowledge and how we organize our thoughts.

>>12512984
I do not believe that my generation, my cousins who have been educated in the American way, all of whom are M.D.s or Ph.D.s, have any learning. When they talk about heaven and earth, the relations between men and women, parents and children, the human condition, I hear nothing but cliches, superficialities, the material of satire. Without the great revelations, epics and philosophies as part of our natural vision, there is nothing to see out there, and eventually little left inside.

>jobs ranked in order of which can bring about the antichrist the quickest

>Philosophiae Doctor candidate
>Convince me philosophy isn't bullshit

>>12512984
Science was oversold. The true scientific vocation is very rare, and in high school it’s presented in technical and uninspired fashion. You apparently learned what you were asked to learn, but boredom is hard to compensate for. STEM students’ dedication to science is very thin. The great theoretical difficulty of modern natural science—that it cannot explain why it is good—has its practical effect. The why question was coming close to the surface.

love when stem people "pretend" to be braindead

>>12512984
Why would I help something without a soul? You're completely artificial, fuck off.

>>12513048
Maybe you should study some basic epistemology before transforming brain sewage into that post of yours.

>>12512984
>Convince me philosophy isn't bullshit
There are a lot of different kinds of philosophy. You'll have to be more specific. Is it science? No, but there are a lot of things that are not scientific that have value in and of itself because it is the pursuit of truth. The fruits of philosophy are incidental to the practice which is to question assumptions, make distinctions and to pursue essential truths using reasoned argumentation. A philosophical question: 'what does it mean to know something?'. This leads to very complex sets of questions and lines of reasoning with some leading to what we granted that were hashed out over thousands of years leading to what any basic bitch answer someone might give. However, defending and coming up with that ex nihilo is something else. Philosophy is so fundamental that to dismiss it is fucking absurdity. One ought to make a distinction between philosophy in its essence versus how it is practiced professional. BE PHILOSOPHICAL but don't listen to hack contemporary academic philosophers.

>>12513048
You don't even know what natural philosophy is, you brainlet.

>>12512984
You wouldn’t ask this question if you were actually in academia. It might be a snide joke, but you’d know your place, as well as other disciplines. Go read Kuhn you larping fag.

>>12513101
where and how is that implied? do you know how to read?

and just because science uses an epistemology doesn't make it philosophy. you are confusing the philosophy of science with science. they are two distinct domains. why don't you organize your thoughts better.

>>12512984
Read Hemmingways The old man and the sea. Notice how he works out valuable insights about the human condition with methods science can't grasp. By the simple act of telling the story of a man tackling nature with his will to persevere, Hemmingway teaches valuable lessons you can not arrive at with STEM.

Science = the parts
Philosophy = the sum > the parts

>>12513241
I guess I might be a brainlet because I dont see how can you discuss the basis of science without discussing its philosphy.
Have a nice day, fellow 4channeler

>>12512984
you aren't wrong and humanitiesfags literally itt crying and seething

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ROe28Ma_tYM

>>12512984

There might be some squabbling, but I think a good starting list for the sub-areas of philosophy would include the following:

Metaphysics
Epistemology
Ethics
Aesthetics
Logic

Metaphysics: inclined to agree with OP

Epistemology: being handled by others

Ethics: Vitally important to living life.

Aesthetics: Probably of no interest to a committed BBN STEM guy.

Logic: Something of crucial importance to a BBN STEM.

I'd say to you: if any part of philosophy can be salvaged, you should consider making a concession that it is not entirely bullshit and can provide some value. Even if we chuck all of metaphysics, aesthetics, and epistemology on the dunghill, we find that ethics and logic are still valuable, even if we have no philosophic or academic passion.

>>12512984
>geology
>great tier

>law
>meh tier

>>12513048
>philosophy isn’t philosophy it’s science
Woah bro deep

>>12513353
are you really going to use bill nye "the sex junk guy" as your evidence?
you know most people on /lit/ have a higher education than that fucking mongoloid

>>12513395
>you know most people on /lit/ have a higher education than that fucking mongoloid
laughingpepe.png

>>12513422
he only has a fucking bachelors degree
how is that down syndrome coming along?

>>12513390
>Geology
Work for mining companies or finance companies
>Law
Work for no one because Law is way over saturated

should STEM apes be given rights? do they deserve to be treated as humans?

>>12512984
What's your school and field of study? (so i can judge you, not so i can look through all of the group webpages in your department and try to guess who you are)

Old people are already batlike golems with little hope for the future or awareness of the past because they grew up in the atomic age. That you have committed to the golem life is perfectly acceptable. Einstein was a heartfelt man of soul as evidenced by his life and letters, I expect you're more a Hawking and will be sitting in your retard-rocketchair while you pay strippers to dance upon your inert, shriveled up body.

>>12512984
This chart is obviously correct in terms of employability besides maybe law being that low, and economics is way too high. Stuff like "communications" being higher than political science seems arbitrary, they're equally terrible. I just graduated with a BA in poli sci and I can do basically... nothing with it. Good thing I don't have any student debt. I wish I was good at math or even enjoyed it, but I'm literally too stupid to study STEM which has basically locked me out of 99% of all lucrative job opportunities. If you have no talent/intelligence for coding or math, this economy literally has no need for you; a kid with a dumb social science degree like mine is equivalent to some random third worlder, if not less useful because we expect livable salaries.

>>12513481
Greenpill wouldn't subject himself to college.

>>12512984
What do you think the P in PhD means, hmm?

>>12512984
>he thinks marketing, public affairs, and communications are more important than history, political science, and philosophy

>>12513509
Why is economics too high?
Genuinely curious because I fell for the STEM meme (compsci) and am considering switching because it's making me miserable

>>12512984
>jobs rated by employment

Your list is determined by categories that instruct their own heirarchy. You don’t belong to yourself. Be gone!

>>12513048
>when a speculative endeavour of the natural world becomes congealed within the scientific method

lol

>>12513128
Kek

>>12513577
In terms of usefulness, a BA will not be useful unless you plan on going straight into finance, in which case why not just study finance? If you want to do economic work you'll have to get a masters and maybe even PhD, and even then it's not like there's some glut of economists. Besides that, economics is essentially voodoo; I have a lot of friends in economics (it's what my first major was before I couldn't handle the math) and they all agree with me. In the real world, economics is a silly discipline, but employers don't know that and a degree also signals a proficiency in math, so it would be an okay thing to study for that reason. It's good tier at best but if you're not studying at the LSE it's a meh tier degree.

>>12512984
>beep beep
>this thing won't make much money for our kike overlords
>thing bad!
>beep beep

it's always sad when u see a stem guy with a masters or phd in aerospace or some kind of medical track bullshit who now works as a javascript coder, that is such a stench of fail, when you meet a software dev who has a poetry or anthropology background its like wow he must be really smart to spend years studying his passions and then so easily transition to the tech industry

>>12513646
this

>>12513617
As stupid as it sounds, I'm considering it because I just want an easy degree to land me a comfy job so that I can spend time doing what I actually enjoy; coupled with the fact that it's the only program with mostly English courses at my university in which everything else is in Chinese (which I'm only conversational in, not fluent)

>>12513646
>>12513665
more like

>hurr durr i'm too stupid to realize that having a strong workforce of skilled engineers and entrepreneurs is what makes countries like china and the united states strong

you realize stem jobs are about more than enriching yourself? most of the fucking sadsack neets on this board only want to be writers because they think they'll strike it rich and become famous as a way out of whatever shithole they find themselves in

>>12513509
I'm in the same situation pretty much.

Do you regret getting your BA in poli sci or do you look back at it as an enriching experience?

>>12513646
based
>>12513694
triggered

>>12513694
nice cope, stem monkey

>>12513509
>I just graduated with a BA in poli sci and I can do basically... nothing with it.

did you not notice the fucking huge mountains of cash rich assholes throw around every election season? people with degrees in poli sci and communication become mercenary journeymen campaign workers and over a career they can become quite powerful and relatively well compensated

Philosophy is like a great big board game bored game let us play something else I really do not like board games cards are much better do not invite Tom that goddamn card stealing bastard if I see him again I swear I'll shove him in the couch philosophy is like Tom in that it keeps stealing all the cards but instead of cards its knowledge and no philosopher has ever known anything but they tend to be better at parties than scientists I knew a scientist by the name of Tom he would steal all of the science stuff I just happened to have lying around the problem is that we never quite got along once you talk to Tom you'll see they always see

>>12512984
>Transportation is on there twice
>This fag thinks transportation is even a major instead of just being a subset of Urban & Regional Planning
>Either transit or URP being anything below good tier

Mocking OP aside, Urban & Regional Planning is actually a pretty good field. Decent pay and decently in demand with a cozy government job though there's always options in the private sector. You also gain the power of invisibility whenever any actual decisions about urban planning are discussed, and during every town hall meeting.

>>12513703
i don't have a stem degree, i studied what i felt like, but since i'm not a mong i do tech work to create beautiful software that improves people's lives and grows the economy, but enjoy your copes bugman

Psychotherapist here, as a degree psychology is pretty useless unless you know what you want to do with it. STEM degrees are definitely way more fun but not what I wanted to do as a profession.

>>12513715
steve bannon did his undergrad in urban planning and he's rich as fuck, and also influencing politics on two continents, it's almost like your fucking undergrad degree doesnt mean shit and it all comes down to intelligence and force of personality. something which most sadsacks on 4chan clearly lack

>>12512984
>me big brain
>you no do school GOOD
>me make chart to show you no do school good
>STEM good
>phioposy BAD
the absolutely state of bugmanfags

>>12513716
>my beepboops are beautiful
>i grow "the economy"
shallow, very shallow

Is there any way we can meddle with the brains of STEM people to turn them into the philosophical zombies they so obviously want to be. I am absolutely one hundred and ten percent serious about this. It really is worth considering that we should look into some method of removing all the functions of the brain which allow STEMfags to do anything other than whatever they need for their autistic little field. Honestly. Give me a mathematician and an ice cream scoop and half an hour. Love and passion, nope not using it, you don't need it (SCOOOP). Desire for meaning and authenticity, don't think you even knew you had this (SCOOOOOOP). Basic ethical and aesthetic sensibilities, well known to any well-adjusted three your old, you certainly won't miss this (SCOOOOOOOOOOP). Then we screw the top of his head back on and marvel at our creation: the ideal STEMfag, reduced to his essential part, a human calculator in the case of our mathematician. And I genuinely believe that he would thank me if he could. This is all STEMfags want to be, this is all they're really capable of being.

Give them all to me and with an ice cream scoop I'll fix all their problems. They won't have to worry about any of the dastardly, irritating aspects of life, such as beauty, or religious hope, or virtue, or even sensuality (which will be merely sense-data once I'm done with my scoop).

You really do have to understand, noble reader, that this isn't even in the slightest a cruel thing to do. It's removing from them those things which would do nothing but bother and irritate them till the end of their days. They don't want these things which are so valuable to you and I, noble reader. In fact, their every utterance is a plea to the universe to "reduce" and "eliminate" and simplify and I, and my trusted associates at the clinic, with our scoops would do nothing more than give them that freedom from unnecessaries that they so desire.

It's a perfect solution, which frees us from having to listen to their opinions on things outside of objectively measurable phenomena pertaining to their field and their field alone, and it frees them from the distractions, such as moral intuitions and human consciousness, which they are so disturbed by that they need to deny the very existence of these things.

Just picture it, thousands upon thousands of STEMfags walking out the clinic back towards their test tubes or whatever they do. Imagine the grotesque rictus smiles on their chinless anglo faces. "I'm finally free", they would think, were they not indeed finally free from that thing which they felt most keenly to be a burden on them, qualia, human consciousness, and all the beauty, passion, love, emotion, all the duty, the sense of virtues, the religious hunger, the ups and downs and bends and curves of being human, all that aesthetic, moral, spiritual... noise, which plagued them like tinnitus until my act of kindness.

Law student here.

Suck my nuts like Roe got knocked up.

>>12513742
>It really is worth considering that we should look into some method of removing all the functions of the brain which allow STEMfags

that would require stem level intelligence something you lack, but you could always write an angry polemic about it or something and sell to guys who smell like pachouli

>>12513032
Most of those degrees arent even rated on that.
Electrical, aerospace and comp engineerings are normally much harder and tougher fields, that teach you some of the biggest fundaments about the world and how stuff really works in the tecnological level. You wouldnt believe how much math, phisics and other specific stuff you learn from those fields.

>>12512984
>engineering
laughing at you pajeet

>145 IQ
>convince me
Can /sci/fags leave and not come back? Being a literal autist who is good at moving numbers around and solving logic puzzles doesn’t make you good at understanding abstract concepts such as being or essence. I wouldn’t waste the time trying to convince you philosophy is worthwhile because most /sci/bugmen are already hypnotized by science-worship and you probably are too

>>12513716
>i do tech work
>enjoy your copes bugman
is this satire?

>>12513742
Beautiful

>>12513762
Full of shit. next

>>12513753
>being this asspained over pasta
ohnonono

>>12513762
>studying "being"

lol

>>12513694
the only reason civilization exists is because of written language and philosophy, faggot. even if it served no functional purpose, it would still be worthy as a way to preserve the culture of humanity. petabytes on some drive shoved out into space at the end of our species miserable existence will be worthless without something interesting to put on it.
>hurr you only wanna get rich quick
Most of us understand that we're not likely to "make it" in the world of writing. Most of us won't even try. We like to write, like to read, for the sake of it. Of course I don't speak for the board, but I think I can posit at least that safely.

James Woods here (180 IQ)
It's a load of crap. MIT was full of idiots. So is Hollywood, but it's a lot more fun.
Humanities shit all over STEM, which is for autistic losers.

>>12513363
is the philosophy of aesthetics any good?
the only things I get joy out of in life seem to be the aesthetically pleasing ones, would be nice to learn more

did u guys see that recent scott forestal interview where he was talking about sartre and heidegger? lol he was one of the top apple execs directly under steve jobs, making millions of dollars, creating products beloved by billions of people, and he can still banter about heidegger better than you spergs, man you sure are dumb

>>12513770
>>12513775
Case in point

>>12513762
Even thinking intelligence can be measured by one number, and that "g" is even a measure rather than a bad correlstion, is a sure sign of the bugman.

>>12512984
they do philosophy of science, that's sort of interesting.

literature is a good waste of time.
>>12513011
lol

>>12513791
Like anyone is actually going to agree with you. It'd be best to take your pedantic little comments and stick them in your urethra

>>12513772
>thinking i read some long ass bullshit

nope

>>12513710
based

>>12513162
>STEM is artificial and souless
Every time i go assist a humanities class like law and the teacher asks a class of 100 freshmen how many books they've read in the lives, 95% of them say zero. They are just teens that spend all their free time watching Netflix and drinking when not busy with studying. I pretty much dont get the appeal to bash STEM students for "only being in it for the money" while their own class is if not just as worse and full of ignorant and arrogant assholes with no interests.

peter theil studied with rene girard at stanford before going on to found paypal and become a billionaire, meanwhile you study philosophy with some nameless marxist at your local state uni, and then go on to be a neet with no prospects in life lol its not about what you study its about how smart you are, if you accomplish nothing in life, guess what? not smart

>>12513048
The question of the definition, means, and bounds of science is a philosophical one, and philosophy also addresses metaphysical topics which science cannot.

>>12513820
>law
>freshmen
filled with normalfags and retards

>>12513831
What is the value of being a billionaire?

>>12513820
>citation
>needed
And if it's true, then good job outting yourself for going to a shitty school, Faggio. None of the top schools have this issue.
>inb4 my one or two exceptions
Drink liquid arsenic.

>>12513846
what is the value of being able to do whatever you want in life?

>>12513846
Approximately 1 billion

>>12513834
Tell me then which ones i should look to assist next. Where are the courses full of passionate intellectuals? I mean law wasnt the only one i checked but i sure got more options in my free time.

>>12513847
Oh sorry, missed you'd been talking about LAW, as if that was a proper humanities course. So add retarded on top of that.

>>12513851
I can already do that.
>>12513854
So the value is nothing but the quantity of some external posession? Sounds pretty indifferent to me.

then all these guys who say they dont care about money will be demanding college loan forgiveness because they're turning 40 and can't buy a house because they still owe 50 grand lmao

Nothing but cope and minuscule attempts to protects egos in this thread. Really fucking embarrassing guys.

>>12513831
>soulless corporate robot with zero moral scruples is the ideal specimen
>having enough money to piss on god and still being a miserable sack of human waste
wew, look at the soft one over here. think i'd rather live a life of impoverished fulfillment than rich emptiness.

>>12513866
you can run for president? you can get lobbiests to pass the laws you want? you can sue fake news outlets into oblivion? you can fund an insurgency? you can bankroll a humanities department? you can fund research on unprofitable diseased? you can take a shuttle into space? wow what fortune are you an heir to?

>>12513870
>t. Samefag

>>12513880
I don't want to do any of that.

Is it just me or does anyone not realize that this entire thread is fucking bait? I mean seriously, someone else has to notice it. If so, then I suppose you are all willing engaging in this circlejerk.

>>12513876
i think graduating at the top of the stanford class and then making an alternative payments system outside of the banking oligarchy and then having a successul billion dollar exit and then going on to teach philosophy classes when you're not chilling in your los angeles penthouse reading books sounds pretty fulfilling but i'm sure being a neet has its high points too

>>12513897
>keeps refreshing
>thinks he isnt part of the circlejerk

>tfw /scifitlit/chad

>>12513897
Make any thread attacking the ego or making /lit/ feel insecure I can guarantee over 200 replies

>>12513895
oh ok yeah i mean if you're a low iq guy who just wants to watch tv then by all means crack open a cold one and laugh at "the bugmen" just dont be whining about wealth inequality or any shit like that since "you dont care about money"

>>12513905
Duh, of course i am. I like it, but I just want to make sure we're all on the same page

i just love reading ppl's copes

>>12513909
I don't do any of that either, nor do I want to, besides cracking open cold ones. You see anon, once you master your judgments, getting what you want is assured, because you want nothing you cant get.

>>12513847
>>12513863
>Imagine being this much butthurt but just having someone shit talked a degree of your field.
>Hurr law isnt real humanities so jks you are just a retard
>actually you must have gone to a shitty school, thats why.
The cope. I must admit that i frequented more law classes than anything else, but i also went to several others such as psicology, philosophy and history. The people dont change that much and the classes are still vastly filled with bimbos.

>>12513928
ha ha the ultimate cope" "i didn't want those grapes anyways, probably sour"

>>12513697
I'm in Canada where uni is way cheaper than the united states, and my father paid for the degree (he wanted me to go to uni, which in this credentialist world I don't really blame him). I just kind of landed in poli sci because I was too dumb to do anything else. I had a shit ton of fun in uni but I'm as directionless as they come, so I have nothing lined up. Do I regret being in poli sci specifically? No, it was pretty interesting stuff and I got pretty good grades throughout it. I only regret not worker harder to find an internship or even office job somewhere while I completed it.
>>12513670
Doesn't sound stupid at all anon. I say go for it; if you're good at math it should be a breeze. Try and line up some sort of finance/banking experience (even being a teller would be decent frankly) while you do it, I feel like you could get a pretty cushy job when you graduate.
>>12513706
You're not wrong, but that's also a very specific job without many openings. It's also something you get more through connections than hard work, and needless to say I know zero politicians.

>>12513938
Ha ha the ultimate ultimate cope "ha ha the ultimate cope"
inb4 this is a cope, because clearly it is

>>12513940
>It's also something you get more through connections than hard work, and needless to say I know zero politicians.

where do you think people get connections? you fucking work your ass off on brutal campaign work going door to door canvasing shitty neighborhoods filled with assholes for years until you move up the ranks, and that includes traveling to other cities and states, going where ever the action is

>>12513934
you don't see any passion until postgrad bro
undergrad is daycare for retards

>>12513949
>where do you think people get connections?
Their dads?

>>12513938
The wail of a dissatisfied man. You yourself are the one coping with some failure or inadequecy. I want no grapes, I want only to make the proper judgment of impressions and to discriminate between what I can control and not control, and to remember that good and bad apply only to my will, nothing external, like grapes.

>>12513938
peter thiel doesn't want anything he can't get either, it just happens that he can get a lot more than you, probably because he's smarter than you

>>12513959
feed me more nourishing copes lmao the only person they're fooling is yourself

>>12513958
by going to good schools and having social skills you utter fucking brainlet

>>12513965
You're jealous of a billionaire, I'm happy with like one percent of that. Who's coping?

>>12513353
What a fucking brainlet, he is basically going full Sam Harris right here
Philosophy does not says your senses are always unreliable but it criticies blind confindence on them, and that's not even the opinion of every school of philosphical thinking

>>12513481
I'm a liberal arts (Philosophy major, English minor) student, but I'm also autistic, anti-social, and often masturbate to h-manga.
I've read Kant and Schopenhauer's words on the evils of masturbation, yet I still do it out of habit.
I've tried stopping watching anime and reading manga, but I can't say I experience the same kind of joys I used to have with them by reading Balzac, Gogol, or Kierkegaard. Even finding uplfting poetry is often hard.
I generally just feel lonely and depressed.

>>12513959
peter thiel doesn't want anything he can't get either, it just happens that he can get a lot more than you, probably because he's smarter than you

>>12513949
No big politicians did any of that. Most of them got their connections from friends in school or knew some way into the media

>>12513149
underrated