/lit/ - Literature

>>12468058
What did you like about him? How did he perfect philosophy?

>>12468058
I know the feeling, m8. Sadly there just isn't anyone like him. Schopenhauer is also entertaining, though.

>>12468058
Nietzsche's work is quite insular and he doesn't suggest the reader to 'go' anywhere other than into solitude to forge their own values.

Nonetheless, as many of the Greeks as you can handle, especially Heraclitus. I personally find Evola to compliment and critique Nietzsche's positive nihilism/materialism well.

"The fundamental principle underlying all justifications of war, from the point of view of human personality, is ‘heroism’. War, it is said, offers man the opportunity to awaken the hero who sleeps within him. War breaks the routine of comfortable life; by means of its severe ordeals, it offers a transfiguring knowledge of life, life according to death. The moment the individual succeeds in living as a hero, even if it is the final moment of his earthly life, weighs infinitely more on the scale of values than a protracted existence spent consuming monotonously among the trivialities of cities. From a spiritual point of view, these possibilities make up for the negative and destructive tendencies of war, which are one-sidedly and tendentiously highlighted by pacifist materialism. War makes one realize the relativity of human life and therefore also the law of a ‘more-than-life’, and thus war has always an anti-materialist value, a spiritual value."

http://www.cakravartin.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Metaphysics-of-War-Evola-Julius.pdf

Nietzsche is the most popular philosopher in the west because modernity turns us into narcissists -- a defence mechanism where the ego prevents real self knowledge. Whenever someone says their favorite is nietzche (and theyre an adult) I concluded they're probably about one standard deviation above the mean and literate but basically a pseud.

>>12468058
Just read the fucking Hegel or at least his summary for the understanding of dialectics and later realising why Nietzsche isn't really that dood and then go to Stirner

>>12468151
Whats your favorite philosopher?

>>12468145
Read 'Nomad Thought' by Deleuze, slave.

>>12468058
>Where to go after this guy?
>>>/trash/

>>12468058
Unironically, read Evola. Most of his stuff is literally just sucking Nietzsche off.

>>12468155
>dood
Whoopsie, I meant good

>>12468160
>read an unironic atheist

sorry friend but I have a soul

>>12468085
I don't know anything else that what he made yo reconcile metaphysics with the licence to think about culture in a clean way as his concept of Will to Power. I say it is metaphysics because as far as I think I understand the way he understands force is an attempt to put becoming instead of being as an ontological basis.
I still don't know if he is a systematic philosopher or no, because what I said above I think it is something that's behind all of his thought, but by the nature of it it allows him to think in a non-dogmatic way, which I don't find in most philosophers.
A lot of people seem to think about him as not really a philosopher. I dont get why they think like this. I think a lot of people just get angry at his writing style. It has never come up as angry to me, just provocative or melancholic at times. I also don't understand why do some many people think he was a proto-nazi or fascist.
Well that's about it. Maybe I should correct: perfected metaphysics, saying he perfected philosophy was a little too much. Sorry.
Last thing to add is that I think he was extreamly visionary. I think his thought is more relevant than the thought most phillsophers. There is something about him that doesn't seem to "get old".

>>12468171
cringe

>>12468171
If you think can't learn from ideologies not your own, you're already gone, pal.

Know thyself. Ever heard it?

>>12468189
Do you idiots still think I'm a crypto-fascist?

>>12468189
do you know using term "perfected metaphysics" can be very rude to nietzsche considering how whole work of nietzsche is "overcoming" nihilism of post-socrates philosophy, not completing

>>12468151
Anyone who reads Nietzsche get their own ego crushed down, m8. First, you will realize you are ressentful scum. Then realize you will never be something even close to his ideal ubermensch because you are probably biologically somehow fucked up, then you get to the part when he literally dismantles the philosophical problems behind the subject/EGO/soul. Then you realize you are dumb to follow his way of thinking instead of having your own values to judge yourself, but since he wants people to do that (if you are not a weak willed loser, because in that case you should just die or something) you realize you are still doing what he says you should do.
It really is a mess.

>>12468151
>doesn't hang out with musicians, cooks, poets, or entrepreneurs of any artistic sort.
(sorry)

>>12468058
>after Nietzsche
I'd recommend Weber or Carl Schmitt. The latter preferably, since he's a great writer atop of being a great thinker.

>>12468210
Well, I don't care because he Is dead. I think it is just to say that since his metaphysic is somehow "movement" centred, it is closer to physics than an atomistic or eternal-essence based one.
You seem to be thinking of him as a materialist.

>>12468255
Schmitt -> Agamben

And if you're interested in more, check out Bockenforde.

>>12468197
ideology is weaponized mob chum dude, what is there to be learned from it? how to manipulate and gaslight other human beings?

>>12468284
By the way, not only do you not need them, they're using you for access to your library. They probably talk shit about you behind your back, call you a weeb or gay because of your interest in Go. Trust me. I know these types... too well.

Shoot me an email and maybe we can arrange an actual handshake sometime.

>>12468295
Know thy enemy, slave.

But also know your place, boy.

>>12468145
>evola
Stopped reading

>>12468298
What the hell are you talking about?

Should I go to Marx?

>>12468151
>self knowledge
there is no such thing as a self, open a book on anatomy and show me the self

Just read Wittgenstein and get it over with.

>>12468163
Klages was more original and rigorous than Evola as a Nietzsche disciple. I'd read him first. Savitri Devi also took things in a novel direction with her theological outlook.

>>12468716
>Savitri Devi
>animal worshipper
>vegetarian
>theologian
i suppose john rawls was a nietzsche disciple as well for hating utilitarians or something

Sorry OP, but Heiddeger is the canonical answer. His lectures on N as "the last metaphysician" really show you where Heiddegger's mind is w/r/t his own place in German philosophy and the Western metaphysical tradition. Also, if you really have a good grasp of the discourse surrounding N's actual metaphysical position, it'll provide a smooth transition to Heidegger's gnarlier work e.g., Being and Time. The postmodern and post-structuralist thinkers would be the next obvious answer. The dynamic duo of Bataille and Baudrillard really push N's idea of aesthetic realization into some interesting corridors (for Bataille, this means changing your life in the most radical sense i.e., pushing the boundaries of your will, turning it in on itself, etc. while for Baudrillard this has the pragmatic application of us being fucked three levels deep in the simulacra with no way out). There's Deleuze's book which a lot of people use as an entry point to his larger works. I'd recommend this text anyways because, along with Danto and Kaufmann, it's probably the most cited book-length commentary as far as secondary literature goes and can really serve to cement or test your reading. Same for Foucault with his essay on the genealogical method, though I kinda push back on this idea of Foucault as the great successor to N simply because Foucault is always secretly thinking through the political while holding up the front of a genealogist. I firmly stand in the American interpretive camp that N does not have a discernible, coherent political view. Sure, there are political implications for the revaluations of values, the conditions that give rise to strong values and good art, but a good Nietzschean would never cease to investigate even these formulations. Alternatively, if you really want to milk your reading of N, I'd suggest picking up Schopenhauer's Essays and Aphorisms and then Will and the World simply because there's a lot of prior metaphysics to N that you need to sort out to appreciate the early work and N's own formulation of will contra Schopenhauer. I think this is a part of the scholarship that has been completely neglected. In the most recent issue of the Journal of N Studies, there's this self-congratulatory piece where all the academic charlatans are patting themselves on the back for finally solving "the real Nietzsche" as far as close reading goes, and its that line of thought that's just deeply embarrassing.

And I guess the basic bitch answer for sealing the deal on modernity would be just read a bit of Marx's shorter works and then jump straight into Capital. That'll provide a good framework if (like a lot of faggots on /lit/) you've been convinced by girardfag et. al. that Uncle Nick and his Accelerationist Brat Pack are the next step in the great philosophical tradition that looks like it's going to crash and burn any day now (and already has in terms of relevancy).

>>12468417
You wouldn't know.

>>12468786
outstanding post

>That'll provide a good framework if (like a lot of faggots on /lit/) you've been convinced by girardfag et. al. that Uncle Nick and his Accelerationist Brat Pack are the next step in the great philosophical tradition that looks like it's going to crash and burn any day now (and already has in terms of relevancy).

this is, to some degree, the point.

>>12468755
You wear your ignorance like a badge of honor, pleb.

>>12468532

>>12468786
I have been reading the Deleuze book. Why couldn't he write his other stuff like this? He seems like a brilliant guy but his stuff is too out there.

>>12468145
Nietzsche was in no sense a nihilist. Vitalism and materialism aren’t the same thing

>>12469220
How to into vitalism

>>12469205
>too out there
You can look into postmodern-poststructural apologetics on your own if you want (Cuck Philosophy seems to have oriented his entire brand to that sort of thing now), but I wouldn’t be too worried out Deleuze’s other writings if you really understand Nietzsche’s claims about aesthetic representation and what not. I won’t deny that he requires a few other pieces to get the most out of (Marx and Freud are the obvious ones) but it’s worth your while if you intend on getting into the accelerationist stuff later down the road. Deleuze most aptly meets N’s description of the philosophical labourer anyways and by that account should be the standard to which academic philosophers are held.

>>12468058
SEAN GOONAN- THE FOUNDATION FOR EXPLORATION

>>12468967
Girardfag?

>>12469287
Get Klages' Biocentric Worldview, a nice selection of his essays.

>>12469445
literally who

>>12469432
aye

i think that anon is absolutely right, btw. and that is a really good post. i agree with a lot of it. i would only want to add that i think terminal burnout/collapse/catastrophe is secretly part of the whole enterprise. that the whole thing should stagger towards ruination, or that Uncle Nick should find his nemesis in Woke Capital isn't necessarily a bad thing, in a certain sense. the whole reason to read him is to expose the grotesquerie within the heart of neoliberalism, as well as the narrow superficiality of both forms of socialism that emerge as self-propelling countermeasures - socialism *and* fascism.

you don't have to work too hard to find in The Beast a figure of Sun Wukong. the Beast is who he is not because he is an enemy of the system of his world, but because he is an absolutely complete personification of it, and who finds *peace* in the asylum. the Beast isn't insane (but he would probably tell you that he is, and to kindly fuck off and leave him alone - so does this make him crazy, or...?) and the Axe Gang gets its deliverance from him - unless i'm mistaken, it's the Beast himself who kills their leader.

and then you have these guys. yes, they are landlord-rentiers of Pig Sty Alley, and clearly benefiting from the system of production - but their lives are just as hellish as everyone else's, in a way. they are landlords in a permanently impoverished system, and custodians of a certain lie. in the end, we might even say that the hero's greatest action isn't just defending the polis to which he belongs, but actually enlightening its greatest threat, which turns out to be, in the end, no threat at all. but the Beast doesn't know there is an alternative. that's what makes him what he is.

in some sense i don't think comparisons to Uncle Nick or /acc along those lines are all that crazy.

>>12468058

Go back: Greek tragedies, Spinoza, La Rochefoucauld, Homer, Giambattista Vico, presocratics.

>>12468058
Kierkegaard

>>12468456
nice 1 bend shapiro you fuckin rekt that libtard.

>>12469702
lol

>>12469523
Shut up

>>12468151
this but unironically

>>12468058
>Where to go after this guy?
If you're on board with him, here:

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/videogame_culture_preface/
http://orgyofthewill.net/

>>12468058
Yourself. You are the next philosopher you should read. You better start writing now, just make sure to use not words, but actions.

The abys is watching, don't disapoint it.

>>12470408
>just b urself

>>12468151
That you ask who someone's "favorite" philosopher is shows you're a pseud.

Ok /lit/, if I were to read only one book of his, which one should it be?
Also, could someone post that quote where he mocks prationalists/scientism?

>>12470895
Genealogy of morals

>>12470895
Genealogy of Morals unfortunately, his best written work is Gay Science, the funniest is Anti-Christ but GM is basically his polemic against the whole of religion, philosophy and slave morality

>>12470895
Beyond Good and Evil instead of Genealogy of Morals, if you're more INFx than INTx.

>>12468337
faggot

>>12471547
Kill yourself

>>12468058
You read Kierkegaard and realize how much you've been misled.

>>12468171
>reading evola
>having soul
Choose one buddy

>>12468058
Nihilism is a self defeating meme. If nothing has any intrinsic value, nihilism has no intrinsic value. If nihilism has no intrinsic value, why should i give a shit about it?

>>12473278
idiotic post

>Evola
>Stirner
Stop promoting meme philosophers!

>>12472612
Where to start

>>12468058
Nietzsche made me happy, which ain’t easy
Derrida makes everything a text, amusing if not true
Heidegger is great
But only Nietzsche made me happy

Heidegger is not a continuation of Nietzsche, like Nietzsche is of Schopenhauer. Heidegger is influenced by Nietzsche, but attacks core Nietzschean ideas, such as the emptiness of being and the will to power.

Foucault, more than anything else, seeks to follow in Nietzsche's "archeology of ideas". Elsewhere however he is certainly not Nietzschean, he sees power as central but in a very different way. Although he does embrace constant creative destruction and recreation of the self, but Nietzsche didn't invent that, it's also a major theme in Meme Stirner, and part of the Romanticist challenge to the classical ideal of linear perfection

Derrida turns Heidegger upside down, he completely subverts him and creates and a diametrically opposed philosophical project. I do not find much Nietzsche in Derrida.

Haven't read Delueze

>>12474964
Sickness Unto Death

>>12475023
Foucault is Nietzschean only to an extent but he is mostly concerned in criticizing power whereas Nietzsche embraces it to its fullest extent. Stirner is a more independent version of Nietzsche but without as much culture. Heidegger is reddit embodied.

I used to feel this way but over time I started questioning some of his beliefs.

>>12475765
>Heidegger is reddit embodied.
based

>>12475765
stop talking about philosophers you haven't read you brant.

>>12468058
I remember when I was 17 too.

Read shestov. He reads Nietzsche the best. He doesnt get caught up in the wishful superman, but fucking dunks Necessity.

Or cioran if you want to get really edgy. Man just gives up all hope, uses lots of Nietzschean methods.

>>12469287
Back to Greeks

>>12469523

>>12468058

>>12468058
A bunch of psychologists all read him

Empiricism and phenomenology of the mind nigga, Adler Jung Neumann Freud

Doesn't hurt to start with a little Gurdjieff beforehand either

God is Self, ego consciousness contained within alternating between differentiation and non-differentiation