/lit/ - Literature

If I were a commissar I would execute Mike Rowe.

>>12390950
This doesn't really go against Marxism other than maybe working accepting their fate and not standing up for themselves and saying everyone is equal (which then it explains itself).

>>12390950
Fanged Noumena

>>12390997
quick rundown?

>>12390950
I'm pro capitalism more than anything. But the sheer fucking smugness displayed in that photo really activates my almonds.

>>12390950
That fucking expression and those empty mindless eyes really get to me.

Is this photoshopped?

>>12391002
The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.

The body count climbs through a series of globewars. Emergent Planetary Commercium trashes the Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic Continental System, the Second and Third Reich, and the Soviet International, cranking-up world disorder through compressing phases. Deregulation and the state arms-race each other into cyberspace.

By the time soft-engineering slithers out of its box into yours, human security is lurching into crisis. Cloning, lateral genodata transfer, transversal replication, and cyberotics, flood in amongst a relapse onto bacterial sex.

Neo-China arrives from the future.

Hypersynthetic drugs click into digital voodoo.

Retro-disease.

Nanospasm.

Beyond the Judgement of God. Meltdown: planetary china-syndrome, dissolution of the biosphere into the technosphere, terminal speculative bubble crisis, ultravirus, and revolution stripped of all christian-socialist eschatology (down to its burn-core of crashed security). It is poised to eat your TV, infect your bank account, and hack xenodata from your mitochondria.

Machinic Synthesis. Deleuzoguattarian schizoanalysis comes from the future. It is already engaging with nonlinear nano-engineering runaway in 1972; differentiating molecular or neotropic machineries from molar or entropic aggregates of nonassembled particles; functional connectivity from antiproductive static.

>>12390950
Based boomer confronting millennial snowflakes with uncomfortable truths.

>>12391020
boomers don't understand things have changed. Don't blame them they are intellectually complacent.

>>12391030
He’s more puppy-dog than man

>>12390950
Are boomers the most Chad generation of all time? They don’t have victim mentalities like millennials do.

>>12390950
>Lets have a one-sided debate about Labor managed by a popular TV series, Goy !

>>12390950
/leftypol/ seething

>>12390950
unironically pic related

>>12391067
wtf I love boomers now

>>12390950
His points are pretty reasonable and sound though, if you disagree you are probably entitled.

>>12391156
>if you disagree you are probably entitled
You mean like boomers were, generationally speaking?

>>12391156
you know one of the funny things about that list is that it overtly claims that people are created equal while dismissively admitting a difference in circumstances that one is born into.

Note how well it fixates values in unquestionable loyalty, submissiveness, and defeat. Do not question or criticize the system if you believe something is unfair.

Its untrue that you shouldnt blame others for challenges you face. This was one of the statements this list made which is assinine. I can think of several cases where you should blame people for challenges you face. What the fuck if someone robs or rapes your family ? Are you just going to throw up your fucking hands and say oh well I will never blame anyone for my shortcomings ? that notion wasn't expressed well and can be easily misinterpreted.

Yes the world can be unfair, but that doesnt mean its right all the time. This was another really dumb statement to make. Lol hes like almost saying well hey Slavery led to wealth, so fuck it guys, we should resent the success of slave owners ! Thats exactly the logic this man is telling people, and i dont know maybe they meant well and it was just poorly communicated, or hes really just an evil asshole

>>12391281
>we should NOT resent the success of slave owners

thats what mr slave man is saying

>>12390950
Max Weber's "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" if you want to understand it

As far as works that embody it... just think back to those obligatory highschool english diversity reads glorifying the black/mexican/chinese - american experience

>>12391281
Dude is a theater major who lives in a mansion in San Francisco and never worked a manual labor job in his life except for a few days a year for his TV show Dirty Jobs. He used to work at QVC, where he whined and complained on air so incessantly that they fired his ass. He knows exactly what he is doing and so yeah he's just an evil asshole. Or just a typical hypocritical boomer, you choose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN7D-iTOvTQ

>>12391067
>>12391074
>>12391080
>>12391153
>>12391197
People born in the 60s aren't boomers

>>12391325
This and I'm glad someone said it. He's a former choir singer roleplaying a paycheck to paycheck blue collar lifestyle he never experienced

>>12391330
t. boomer

>>12390950
more like crapitalist theft ethic, am i right guys?

Works and Days by Hesiod for those that actually give a shit.

>>12391422
>any economic activity or transaction involving markets and commerce in history = capitalism

Try again, sweaty.

>>12391330
>Period: 1946 – 1964

>>12390950
Maybe this?

>>12391432
Wrong, commie.
Earning money justly = capitalism
Losing money/stealing money = socialism

Any books about the link between protestantism and capitalism?

>>12391496
See >>12391314

>>12391501
Oh, thanks.

>>12391330
You have no idea what a baby-boomer is.

>>12391487
You have no idea what any of those words mean. You merely see this as a team sport.

>>12390950
hey man, dirty jobs was a good show. Mike rowe doesn't deserve this.
>also his podcast is pretty neat if you like quick stories

>>12391676
It's one shooped word.
Conservatism deserves all the ridicule it has comin to it.

>>12391695
How is a sheet that just says "work hard" have anything to do with conservatism?

>>12391061
wow you must be really smart using big words with lots of letters like that

>>12391708
It's their shitty shut-up-and-work ethic. They're born slaves

>>12391713
If you hate that post then you'll despise fanged noumena. the truth is that it's very poor attempt at trying to make a person's insane ramblings sound smart.

>>12391719
A slave works for nothing, most conservatives at least have the dream of "moving up" in the world. Now while that is a far fetched dream to have they at least want more then they currently have.

>>12390950
That's the communist work ethic, though.

>>12391325
>those comments
Is this some kind of meme or are all these middle age women actually this wet for him?

https://youtu.be/vE-IPRlUhGg
This is pretty hilarious stuff, he seems like a fun guy.

>>12391768
Salves worked to either pay off a debt or to keep a room and board from their masters.
The liberals freedumb, set us all as free agents competing for the rent-a-salve postions of industrial slavery and wage slavery. A perpetual debt, little different from the before.

The "American Dream" of moving up (originally the American dream was supposed to be freedom fyi) makes us mean. Only the sociopathic ones make it to the top, and once at the top, where you have people working *for* you to make "your" money. Once there they are rarely ever satisfied. Everyone, all classes, live in perpetual fear of losing that money. They must spend it to pay for their freedumb, everyone knows, but the rich man has just developed a bad habit.

I want more than we currently have. I don't want any money.

>>12391487
Lobbying to keep minimum wages so low that your employees literally need food stamps to survive is a shining example of capitalist justice

>>12390950
Why are millennials so afraid of work?

>>12391872
Forcing free people to rely on the government is socialist in nature.

>>12391951
Internalised fear of ecological destruction causes many to question the necessity of indulging in an endlessly-consuming culture.

>>12391872
lobbying to import more cheap laborers so worker's wages never rise is the leftist platform

>>12392002
internalized fear is always bad even if it's "hip" fear, kys

>>12392001
Everyone relies on the government, dude. The next time you buy a house and don't develop lung cancer due to the presence of asbestos you can thank the government for that. Government is literally just the tool a society uses to organise itself for specific goals. It's in the name - govern-ment.

>>12392005
No, that's a capitalist platform. Capital will always demand cheap labour, and will go to any lengths to achieve it, no matter the social and community costs.

>>12391487

>>12391951
The labor surplus has been drying up the job market around the the world. This why there’s no affordable healthcare inhe US, austerity measures in Europe.
Then there’s the glyphosate, the widening of the autism spectrum.
We just don’t want a bullshit job to define us.

>>12392002
And this

>>12392010
Why do you think Japan isn’t breeding as much anymore?

you guys ever thought of pulling off something big?

>>12392020
>No, that's a capitalist platform.

oh so you final admit chapo fag house is a capitalist outfit since they promote open borders on the daily, glad you've finally stopped lying to yourself about caring for the working class

>>12392001

Goddamn I hate Americans.

>>12392028
Like a heist or something?

>>12392034
stay mad, just makes me want to work harder and make more money, fuck europe

>>12390958
What's his deal?

>>12392041
It ISN’T socialism. It’s state-socialism or mixed economies

Has anyone ever actually refuted Aristotle's defence of slavery?

i forget what it was but i kind of have the gist of it

>>12392064
Lincoln?

>>12392071

& what was his refutation?

>>12392071
if lincoln had really refuted it he wouldn't have had to send 600,000 young men to their deaths to "prove" he was right

>>12392071

also that hasn't exactly worked out very well from what i can see aside from the fact that the north probably just attacked the south in order to gain cheap labour for industry

lincoln apparently even wanted to send them all of to liberia to die there presumably

>>12391951
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation

This schmetterling girly always do this?

Just say a load of shite & then scatter?

>>12392100
get a load of this dude larping as a new fag

>>12392105

MY NAME IS KEVIN MUNOZ

THAT IS NATIONAL SOCIALISM

WHAT YOU REFERRED TO IT AS IS "FASCISM"

THAT IS NOT ITALIAN FASCISM ID EST GENTILIAN NEO-HEGELIANISM

>>12391281
>you know one of the funny things about that list is that it overtly claims that people are created equal while dismissively admitting a difference in circumstances that one is born into.
Stop, you're being too reasonable

>>12391951
As millennial i think it was because i wasn't taught it. First few years in job was pretty eyes-opening experience.

>>12392002
Well, you NEED eat and drink and unless you live in sub-tropic climate, you NEED shelter and clothing. Everything else is optional. You don't need to shitpost on this estonian bird-watching site.

But even if you don't have job, you probably still do some work, i. e. produce something, even if it is just work of mediocre art.

>>12392020
>Everyone relies on the government, dude.
That's true, because state puts its dirty fingers into every single thing you do. I still think free market would be able to provide cheaper and probably solution to everything state does today.

>>12392027
>This why there’s no affordable healthcare inhe US
Counterargument: There is no affordable healtcare in US because of governemnt regulations on what standards healthcare providers must fulfill. Which, obviously, drives the price up.

>>12390950
>1.
There's a lot that's good about America but it's a source of many headaches as well. Silly patriotic blinkered nonsense
>2
Meaningless fluff statement. Some people get cancer and die as kids. Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness are completely up to the capriciousness of fate
>3
Silly statement. Some jobs can damage your health. Coal miners with black lung, workers exposed to asbestos, etc. Why should one slavishly accept any job without any regard for one's skills and attributes? That's the mentality of North Korea
>4
There's only so much passion and enthusiasm that you can put into demeaning low status jobs. Cleaning toilets for a living is demoralizing.
>5
Some people are in a position that they can't proceed in life (or get an education) without debt, thanks in no small part because of point #1. Some problems are systemic
>6
What the fuck does this even mean? Obviously one has to resort to self-defense when all other protection is removed.
>7
That's also a good way to get taken advantage of. What kind of rube works for free?
>8
voicing legitimate concerns is different from whining and complaining. Some people are in dire circumstances and need to articulate their situation
>9
Nothing wrong with this statement.
>10
Clearly one is the product of one's choice and one's circumstances. One's circumstances set limits on the choices available
>11
Just because the world is not fair, doesn't mean efforts to make it a bit fairer are utterly futile or mistaken.
>12
Except not everyone is created equal. Some people are born with better genetics for a given task domain. Some people appear to be lazy because their circumstances are so defeating that all their efforts are met with inescapable resistance. It's called a fundamental attribution error.

>>12392074
Oh, I figured you'd be familiar with it.
>>12392081
It ended most chattel slavery is all.

Here's some of Cockshott's argument though

>The real criticism that can be made of capitalist economies in this regard is that they are too slow to adopt laboursaving devices, because labour is artificially cheap.
>Historians have long argued that the reason why the ancients failed to develop an industrial society, despite all the science of the Greeks and the engineering of the Romans, was the institution of slavery. Where all industrial production was relegated to slaves, rational calculation of labour costs was discouraged. A slave was not paid by the hour, so the master had no incentive to account for the hours of his servants' labour. Without such calculations there was little incentive to economise on labour time. So, for instance, although the Romans knew of the water wheel, they never moved on to the widespread application of mechanical power (White, 1962)

–Towards a News Socialism, Chapter 3, Page 42

>>12392219

SO REACTIONARY SLAVERY IS SUPERIOR TO LIBERAL-CAPITALIST SLAVERY IS YOUR POINT

>>12392236
No.

>>12392264

DO ELABORATE SCHNUCKI

It's not what you know
It's not what you can do
It's not who you know
It's a byzantine system of gatekeeping semantics which include elements of the metadata of all three of these things while including none of their substance

>>12392270
It's what you look like you know
It's what you look like you can do
It's who you "know" by the light of their own romances, but without coming off as a sycophant, because that's unaesthetic
And if you fuck up any of it you die
die die die

>>12392266
Wage slavery is bad, but I was just using Lincoln and the American civil war as an example of a decent refutation of slavery.

Then I posted a brief bit from Cockshott's book exposing the idiocy of slavery to begin with. Frankly confused as to how you could come to that conclusion.

How ya been Rei?

>>12392281

THE NEGRO'S LIFE HAS NOT BEEN IMPROVED BY HIS RELEASE FROM CONVENTIONAL SLAVERY

HE IS NOW ENSLAVED BY HIS OWN IDLENESS

AS ARE WE

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>>12392318
His "idleness"

Freedom is slavery.
To fascists like you of course.

>capitalists
>work ethic

>>12390950
Reminds me of this:
https://ia802906.us.archive.org/4/items/second_thoughts_idle_fellow_1108_librivox/secondthoughtsofanidlefellow_05_jerome.mp3

>>12390950
We need a new version of dictatorship and the first things to do would be to hang all the rich. We need a restart or else it is going to be another slave based society where most live in tents.

>>12392414
What an original idea, pinko!

>>12392393
Can you elaborate on this greentext please? Thanks, Joe.

>>12392414
And who would get their money? The people doing the hanging. Ordinary folks would get nothing, same as always. Revolutions are always ultimately beneficial only to a handful of disingenuous manipulators.

>>12392432
Capitalists are capitalists because they own the means of production which allows them to force everyone else to work for them, which is where their profits come from. I mean, the dude in the OP pic is waxing lyrical about the virtues of hard work, he's a fucking TV host. I think his mind would change pretty quick if had to do those "dirty jobs" 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week and that's all you'll ever get.

>>12390950
What the FUCK is wrong with American boomers?

>>12392465
That is why the solution is cyclical restarts by beheading the richests once in a while. It would be better for a while and then start again. With them being gone others who get their wealth would not get it in full power and they wouldnt have the connections and know how to have it accelerated in such amount. It would take some time until that would happen. Then future generation would need to do the divine cleansing again.

People don't want to change anything so we must accept feudalism and ever decreasing worthiness of living. Only very few who are of needed skill will live a normal life. Not everyone has connections or is math genius to make it in life and the requirements are only increasing. As we know that most people will never be able to keep up it means most people will become unemployable and die. At that point something different will happen because it would ruin capitalism.

>>12392468
I think capitalist in OP are meant as people who believe in capitalism and free market. Not necessarily as people who own the means of production.

> I think his mind would change pretty quick if had to do those "dirty jobs" 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week and that's all you'll ever get.
I think the last part is the most important part. At least it was for me. I worked shifts in old, dirty factory and the hopelessness of the career was main reason i decided to quit and look for something else. Then again, even such work has certain appeal.

It is hard and difficult, that means if you do it well, you are strong and competent.
You are produce actual, physical goods, which is pretty rewarding. Certainly more rewarding than the work in service sector.

>>12391067
another libtard snowflake millenial DESTROYED with cold facts

>>12392041

Eight hours later and I still hate Americans. Capitalist supporting cucks.

>>12391061
9/10, very reminiscent of Land

What are some works of literature that embody this ethic?

>>12393584

I agree with everything but point six. My taxes go to corporate welfare and the military industrial complex. I wish the little I pay could go towards helping other humans instead of rich twats and sanctioned murderers.

>>12392133
>Counterargument:
Counter:
The corporate state oligarchy work to make the these ends for maximum profits, not maximum health.

>>12392189
Nice effort post btw

>>12393584
D&D quest books, video game manuals, cereal boxes

Society has a form of PTSD stemming from the Recession. Millennials grew up during it and it formed their impression of how our economy functions.
Problem is, the Recession was 10 years ago. Job vacancies are at record highs. Unemployment at record lows. The middle and lower class are seeing their wages rapidly grow. Skilled workers have literally never been more in demand and their wages are skyrocketing.
Combine Millennials' out of touch sense of economic reality with their snowflake mentality and you get a generation that paradoxically thinks of themselves as economic victims, when in reality they are wasting the greatest opportunity of their life.
Young people never had and, judging by how this growth is unsustainable and future ecological destruction, never again will have as much economic opportunity as they do now.
It is a golden age for young, smart, dynamic people. Millennials are squandering it away.

>>12393776

Propaganda.

>>12393776
You're dreaming, housing prices in the city are only getting higher, and I've seen internships that demand experience now. You're delusional.

>>12393776
>the Recession was 10 years ago.
The recession is still going on
>Job vacancies are at record highs. Unemployment at record lows.
Homelessness is skyrocketing. The unemployment rate is monkeyed with
>The middle and lower class are seeing their wages rapidly grow.
This is an old stat for China
What is this, some Malcolm Gladwell copy/pasta?

>>12390958
He's a liberal arts trust fund babby, his trained vocation is "opera singing," but dammit if middle america doesn't love them some pandering.

>>12393851
>>12393867
>>12393884
Proof of how all of you are deluding yourselves. Not only that, you're shooting yourselves in the foot. You have literally never had it better to financially support yourselves and you waste it whining. Maybe you'll realize how good you have it once the economy slows down and you'll actually struggle.
But it's not my problem. The only person who suffers is you.

>>12393913
Stupid liberal or elaborate troll?

>The only person who suffers is you.
Oh, no. Millions are suffering

>>12393913

Propaganda.

>>12393904

I have no problem with liberal arts and encourage people to get education in whatever they want in an effort to return universities to places of learning and not trade schools as they are now.

Mike Rowe is a pandering, fake twat pushing others into servitude and romanticising jobs that are shit. Not to say we should look down on the workers at all, but dislike the need for them to be done by humans. Though, some jobs on the show were just unnecessary.

>>12393913
It really isn't your problem, we can all tell.

>>12393776
this reads like pasta from the trump general on /pol/ unironically typed out by some boomer who, four years ago, would've written the exact opposite diatribe

>>12393942
You're smart enough to read Harvey and understand him, even if I disagree with him.
That means you're smart enough to make yourself useful to society and support yourself.
The people who fail in Western society are (with very little exception) low IQ, poorly educated, and/or face mental challenges (including addiction).
I'd have sympathy if a high school dropout on Facebook was complaining about how tough it is for them. Or if they grew up in a shithole country with little opportunity.
But you're literate, smart, and complaining? Give me a break.

>>12390950
Probably À rebours, because that's a capitalist's goal, is to get rich off of other people's labor and live like a fucking pig.

>>12393987

GODDAMN KENYAN MUSLIM NIGGER IN THE WHITE HOUSE RUINING THIS GREAT COUNTRY

>>12393995
I want my freedom
And I want this freedom for others.

I feel it's my duty and pleasure to tear down this cage you're so proud of. The prison riot has already begun.

Bring back the soviet union and liquidate everyone born before 1985

You must really like those idiot Trump supporters who thought he'd bring back their manufacturing jobs.
They're the uneducated, addicted dropouts who are at a structural disadvantage due to the West's neoliberal meritocracy.
Bravo for fighting the good fight :^) Keep it up and you're just gonna further embolden them!

>>12392449

underrated

>>12394091
meant for
>>12394051

>>12394017

The problem withwith this is that pigs are nicer and more empathetic than rich people. Personally I've been trying to change my lexicon from analogies like yours to just straight up calling them rich people or class traitors (cops, I mean). I don't liken things Ij dislike to animals anymore since I like animals.

>>12393584

Pretty good. 5 is VERY true.

>>12391043
Only the title, the real one is called "The SWEAT Pledge". The rest of it is real.

>>12393776
>The middle and lower class are seeing their wages rapidly grow
Rapid growth is a SINGLE PERCENTAGE POINT above inflation. Can't you see the shit on the wall? That "growth" is mainly felt by the rich jews above you and the next recession will wipe out that tiny sliver for you next recession. Wage growth doesn't even take in house prices or the cost of living. It's fucked.

Allt hose job oppurtunities ARE CASUAL, PART TIME OR 3 MONTH CONTRACT. the casualization of the workforce is wrecking everyone. 1/3 of the population is now part time. it used to be 10%. Under employment is AT RECORD HIGHS.

You are deluded. You've ignored every fact in front of you and shoved your fimgers and your ears and chanted "more money for jews is more money for me!"

>>12393666
>satanic digits on a tripfag
NEET asceticism confirmed divine

>>12394146
>You are deluded. You've ignored every fact in front of you and shoved your fimgers and your ears and chanted "more money for jews is more money for me!"
This is the epitome of boomerism.

>>12393776
Job vacancies are such a meme. Companies will complain but refuse to hire qualified people. I think they just like promoting the illusion of openings.

>>12394117
That's fair.

>>12391713
>>12391743
>grug no like Nick Land, big words grug need look up make grug feel small brain. grug call big words guy small brain, make feel big brain

>>12391951
work =/= job
I don't think I'm lazy or entitled. I like doing things and want to learn how to do a lot of different things. But there's a difference between work and being forced to go every day for 8 hours wasting most of my life doing something that probably doesn't even actually need to be done

>>12393776
>The middle and lower class are seeing their wages rapidly grow.
kek
>never again will have as much economic opportunity as they do now.
kek
Even if wages were going up at a decent rate, it'd take a lot more to catch up to the absolutely insane cost of housing, education, and healthcare
The job market is fucked, the middle class is fucked. The qualifications for jobs is retarded, years of experience, degree required, all for a 12 dollar an hour paying job.
Student loans are a bubble waiting to pop, housing is going to explode on itself again. There's gonna be another depression/recession within the next 15 years

>>12391080
They don't need victim mentalities because they became hugely profitable through stealing from their children's generations. Lower taxes, no infrastructure spending, the increased corporate drive for quarterly profits over long-term planning; all these profited the boomers while stealing from their children.

>>12390950
>I believe I won the greatest lottery of all time. I am alive.
Yikes!
>I walk on earth.
Yikes!
>I live in America.
Oh that's another yikes for me, sweetie

>>12390950
>I live in America
How is this not a negative?

>>12395009
>The qualifications for jobs is retarded, years of experience, degree required, all for a 12 dollar an hour paying job.

Yeah even if you filter for entry-level positions on Indeed they still all require experience on top of a bachelor's, I just don't know what to do

>brother is super charismatic

>gets married and goes into real estate at 27

>makes 100k in his first 6 months.

He got his degree too just recently but come on, if all you want to do is make money you just go into the right field for it.

>>12395344
>>12395098
America is by far the biggest cultural powerhouse nation in the modern world. It's not even close or arguable.

>>12395359
It's not about making money, its about enjoying working. Not everyone is equal and has insane charisma

>>12395360
What culture is America exporting, anon?

>>12393995
Not everyone is satisfied with life just by being "useful to society"

>>12395376
You are on an American website talking about an American businessman's pledge. Go on /tv/ or /mu/ and 90% of the works will be American. 90% of good 20th century literature is also American

>>12395384

You don't know what culture is, do you anon?

>>12395368

Yes but for most people these days regardless of the degree they pick it comes down to making money, going to an employer who pays you the most etc etc.

Nearly most youths in america these days wish to make as much money as possible so they can live out their materialistic dreams and desires. Being poor or just barely making it is a death sentence for a young american unless they're extremely unambitious. Life can really suck but people just make things harder for themselves by getting a generic business degree or so on.

>>12395360
AmeriKKKa is destroying everything that is beautiful. I really wish that shithole would seize to exist.

>>12395395
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

>>12395408
>capeshit is culture

You're a fool.

>>12395411
>Movies aren't human expression

"no"

>>12395412
Only a chimp would conflate Hollywood dreck with culture because there happens to be lots of it, you're being incredibly disingenuous.

>>12393326
>very reminiscent of Land
That’s because it was written by Land. In fact it’s probably the most well known thing he has written.

>>12393884
>The recession is still going on
the recession ended in '09 bro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession

Anyone else feel we'll soon be at a tipping point? Between the hatred of capitalism and the rise of socialism and nationalism, we are one disaster away from some sort of "awakening"

>>12395415
It's literally the definition. Maybe if you said high culture

>>12395469
Nowhere close

>>12395495
Capitalistic movies by committee written to appeal to the Chinese market don't constitute culture. In fact, they have the exact opposite effect, dumbing down the populace.

>>12393623
>sanctioned murderers
You mean niggers?

>>12395469
Nah, the general public is too comfortable. Most places that had drastic revolutions were subject to mass starvation, lack of shelter, lawlessness, etc. We're nowhere near the levels of unrest that were present in Czar-led Russia or post-Versailles Germany.

>>12395448
Oh thank goodness Wall Street and the all of our precious banks are solvent and humming along as if nothing happened. Thanks Obama.

>>12394091
What will they do when they discover his plans wont bring back prosperity?
Collectivist "sheeple" sorts are a notorious nut to crack, rightwing or left. I can only hope that modern communication networks reach enough of them to help them realize how un-free they and their ideology truly are.
And whats with pinning any of this on me? You pretend I have some kind of power over these events. Voting Hillary, (the greater of two evils) wouldn't changed much. We're headed for another crash and greater unemployment.

>>12395787
If by "niggers" you mean soldiers and cops, yea.

>>12395469
One or two.

>>12395787

The military. Politicians kill far more than "niggers" ever will. Racists are fucking stupid.

>>12395469

>rise of socialism

Where? Do you mean actual socialism or American "gubment does dis" retardalism? I'm assuming the latter because socialism, disappointingly, is on the rise nowhere.

>>12395830
>the greater of two evils
How can someone who seem intelligent hold so many retarded opinions is beyond me. I had blocked your shitty trip years ago but turns ago you’re still here woth even more retarded opinions. Go die in a fire

>>12396049
You voted for Hillary?

I didn't vote for either fyi

I don't trust banks

>>12391951
I want to work in a field that I am content with what I am doing and assist society and community. Rather than being the conduit for a corporation to continuously sell shit to rich assholes, who'll just buy more stuff again and again

>>12391314
literally this

germans are the quintessential example of capitalist work ethic, and it derived from asceticism

>>12390950
>tfw a Boomer Opera-singer-turned-TV-host tells you to abandon your dream

>>12396251
>hey kid I gave up my dream so I could jump into shitty port-a-pottys to make a point! Lazy millennials!

>>12393957
>trade school is less worthy than liberal arts
>actually useful jobs are shit
Robots lack the finesse and heuristic processing to deal with "messy" tasks; you have no absolutely no sense of the state of technology or it's trends nor of what it means to be a worker.

>>12394362
>Companies will complain but refuse to hire qualified people
You are in the same mindset as the guy above. Students aren't looking to acquire the skills other people need - universities are being run like diploma mills for snobbish kids to feed their egos. Health, engineering and informatics are some of the fastest growing sectors with people having jobs set aside for them even before they graduate because the scarcity is so great. Plumbers, contractors, electricitians, mechanics, etc, are essential to keep their communities running but waiting times and prices for these services are getting out of hand because there are so few of them.

Having a liberal arts degree doesn't make you smarter or more cultured than a street sweeper.

>>12396531

I didn't say street sweeping was meaningless or to be looked down on. I'm saying some of the jobs were pointless. I remember one guy who did crayfish or something fishing in a swamp. Apparently that swamp would burn your legs if you stayed in it too long. Why? Why do that? It's quite literally a voluntary job that is completely unnecessary.

Another I remember is vermiculture. An actual necessary job that can be pretty clean but the stupid hicks were throwing shovels full of horse shite on each other. For what purpose? I guarantee that could be automated by the way.

Yet another one was brick maker. Automate it. How is it even a dirty job? Wash your hands.

Also, you agree and reiterate that university and college is a trade school now. Not everyone wants to go to school to just be employed on the way out. It's depressing we incentivise that instead of following interests for the hell of it and not following profit.

>>12396626
The stupid hicks know things I don't about vermiculture. Maybe they'll automate it, maybe they'll make a robot that doesn't crush the worms, that has a "feel" for the soil, that can discern pollutents from useful waste, etc, but we aren't there yet. Robots can barelly get sight and hearing right, scent, taste and touch are pretty much unexplored territory.

Brickmacking is largely automated, even in most of Africa. Automating isn't the same as removing humans completely from the process.

I don't think colleges are like trade schools. I like trade schools. I also like R&D but that isn't what most kids go to college to do. "Following interests" is something they can do on their own time and money - if it aligns with what other people need even better but "profit" here stands for compensation for doing something someone other than yourself wants to get done. Why not pay people to jerk themselves off while we are at it?

>>12396708
>Why not pay people to jerk themselves off while we are at it?

We do. Thanks, capitalism.

>>12396708
>Why not pay people to jerk themselves off while we are at it?
It's called porn, anon. Been happening for decades now.

>>12391866
Wahhhhh things in the real world have to be earned. And it sux cuz you need to buy things with MONEY. You need money to by everything. I think my job literally flipping means I shouldn't have to pay rent because I DESERVE to own my own home because look how useful I am! Look how much money I can make compared to people living in the third world doing something a small child could probably do. I want everything but I don't want money (even though I can use money to get anything I want) because I wanna make everything for myself and I want everyone else to make things for me too. This is the morality behind collectivism. They think of themselves as slaves, and if you aren't a slave you are "Mean". It is a selfish feminine morality. The purpose of freedom in the American dream is to enable you to make your way without being unfairly obstructed from foreigners or fellow citizens. Money is why you are afraid of losing money and not afraid of just getting murdered or starving to death you fucking ape. If capitalism never existed you probably wouldn't be able to read.

>>12394051
The cage is in your mind. You are the one who built it, just like all the other millions of people who build the same type of cage. Do something useful if you think you are so useful. If you can't figure out how to be useful in the 21st century first world then you are only worthy of being a slave.

>>12395351
Just apply for them anyway.

>>12397610
>things in the real world have to be earned
No no. Things in life are being stolen from you and me. We work to fill their pockets with more and more.
Please say you're joking. So dumb.

>>12397646
>You are the one who built it
No, dear. I did not build this cage. You can't see it yet?
>Do something useful
Like go into business for myself? Get a few employees, pay my taxes? You blind motherfucker.

>>12397655
>>12397673

go the fuck away.

>>12397610
>being this insufferably naïve
>he thinks America is a meritocracy

you're deluded

>>12396531
I don't have a liberal arts degree. I have degrees in IT and CS

>>12391156
It moreorless amounts to
>shutup, work, and be slavish in body and mind

>>12397610
>Wahhhhh things in the real world have to be earned.

Why?

>>12397610
>If capitalism never existed you probably wouldn't be able to read.
You're a parody of a human being. Libya went from 8% to 85% literacy inder socialism same as Cuba same as Russia. Making jews rich isn't the pre-requesite to fucking reading you boomer

>>12393904
>making fun of the arts on a literature forum

capitalism is terrible for the arts. People make fun of you for pursuing it even though consuming art/literature/music is one of the most meaningful experiences you can have in life.

>>12394687
Ramblings of a intelligent drugged schizo are still ramblings.

>>12397808
I'm sure socialism is.

Capitalism is corrupted dogshit but it's the closest to meritocracy right now.

>>12390950
The slaves of antiquity had it good. Free room, board, didn't need to pay rent, insurance, any bills whatsoever really, couldn't even get into debt.
Nowadays, masters don't even have to pay for their slaves food and board. In fact, they charge them for it, and are able to obtain more production from slaves through the ever-looming threat of homelessness and rejection by society. The "payment" given to slaves, which through a semantics game changes the current definition from "slave" to "freeman", has no legitimate or set value. These "bio-survival tickets" that are "earned" through bodily degradation are printed by the masters and systematically endowed with a speculative value, which in the end becomes less valuable the very moment it is put into the hands of the "freeman" through the (also systematic) process of inflation.

>>12396857
You only get paid for it if someone else wants to see you do it, tho. It's socially useful to a degree, rather than just self-gratifying.

>>12392219
>Muh slavery built the US
>Muh slavery doesn't work
Legbeard pinkos I swear.

>>12399433
Slavery in the US picked cotton, so they made the clothes and got the white southerner fancy palatial houses etc. Cotton-gin could have been invented ages before and saved people a lot of hardships. This sort of thing happens all the time. Sometimes capitalism doesn't do things efficiently at all. As it's main purpose is to make money. Same shortsightedness as Rome.

>>12398484
>capitalism is terrible for the arts.
Then why are artists lobbying governments for further capitalistic and monopolising laws?

>>12390950
Ayn Rand - Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal

>>12400658
>Disney Corp is an artist

What are you talking about?
Seriously though, capitalism corrupts everything, artists are no different.

>>12398672
Be careful to differentiate Mixed Economy Capitalism and Laissez Faire Capitalism. The latter is the meritocracy you speak off.

>>12400700
Every namefag that talks shit about Capitalism is a boon. Unironically thanks.

>>12400735
The ability to collect more money than someone else isn't meritorious in the least. This is why capitalism corrupts and changes into corporatism, oligarchy or state-authoritarianism

>>12400742
/lit/ was much better when we banned the Randroids on sight.

>>12400700
Go read up about how much "non-disney" artists abuse the everliving fuck out of the capitalist systems like copyright and Intellectual property. The Sam Francis Foundation and ARS has spent millions upon millions funding pro-capitalist laws.

Disney would fucking kill for something as disgusting capitalistic and protectionist as the CRRA.

>>12400767
Artists are peak Anti-Marxian, https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/oct/12/artists-threaten-legal-action-resale-royalties

>>12400764
r/philosophy interlopers incited those Rand wars. Make no mistake.
Please do NOT go back t.o leddit and continue being butt hurt over capitalism with your name on. Take time off work even. Post more often. Based namefag.

>>12400764
>The ability to collect more money than someone else isn't meritorious in the least. This is why capitalism corrupts and changes into corporatism, oligarchy or state-authoritarianism
No altruism is the culprit there. Has a degenerative effect on capitalism.

>>12400764
Imagine being this afraid of some meta-capitalist lass

>>12392064
Rousseau addressed it in the social contract, but he's obviously pretty controversial.
>Aristotle was right; but he mistook the effect for the cause. Every man born in slavery is born for slavery—nothing is more certain than that. Slaves lose everything in their chains, even the desire to escape from them: they love their servitude, as Ulysses’ comrades loved their brutish condition ·when the goddess Circe turned them into pigs·. So if there are slaves by nature, that’s because there have been slaves against nature. Force made the first slaves, and their cowardice kept them as slaves.

>>12396049
neolib cringe

>>12390950
>Capitalist
>work-ethic
I don't think that inheriting money and using it employ people to make you more money is work-ethic.

>>12390950
This is unironically the best piece of anti-capitalism propaganda I have ever seen. That it is totally unintentional only makes it better.

>>12401675
>he thinks the majority of people wouldn't actually agree with that shit

>>12395411
culture is a complex word and lots of things are culture, including capeshit.
Some distinguish between Culture and culture for this reason.

>>12401675
>This is unironically the best piece of anti-capitalism propaganda I have ever seen.
Only if your IQ is over 120. For everyone else it works in the favor of Capitalism.

>>12392005
who said "open borders? that's a koch brothers proposal"
tell me who said it incel

>>12398724
God I wish I were a slave

He just wants to lessen the social stigma of working "dirty" jobs. He isn't consciously trying to prevent your revolution of the proletariat. If fact he always has supported unions and workers over bosses.

>>12400783
What are you even trying to imply with this article?

>>12401559
Do you understand that a massive chunk of familial inheritors piss away their fortunes through incompetence? You just never hear of those people.

>>12401874
You appear to not have watched his video on Prager U. Give it a go.

>virgin incels still arguing in this thread after 24+19 hours = 43 lm@ing at your life right now

>>12390950
Here's the real one ya fuckin commies

>>12393957
>>12398484
I have no lack of respect for the liberal arts either, I brought it up to point out how far his actual person is from the persona he projects.
>Capitalism is terrible for the arts
No it's not, go to an art museum. There's tons of artists in every town, some are even pretty good. Under capitalism people have generated new media and platforms for art and communication. We're pushing teh boudnaries and making some really cool shit, complaining just shows that you don't pay enough attention.
I thought le wrong generation was just a stupid reddit meme but here we are. Fuck.

>>12402225
>I thought le wrong generation was just a stupid reddit meme
have you ever been on pol

>>12390950
Mike Rowe is probably the most masculine-conscious ""man"" on the planet.
Even fucking Alan Carr is manlier than this brownnose.

>>12402280
Nothing fake about his extolling of masculinity champ.

>>12402203
It was one word, slave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw7PchFNJ7o

>>12402308
Rowe's subject of "masculinity" is strikingly negligent of all biological perceptions and completely clouded with his own ideological signifiers e.g. his blinding social class as primary virtue.

Real masculinity is completely without abstraction, it is power and only power. People who claim "Christian values are the most masculine" do so because they desperately want to associate themselves within the higher echelons of the social structure, without putting in the work.
A cocky Australian teen who clubs his heart out does so because he wills it. He wants to do it, he has the agency, he does it. Only a fool would have you believe that masculinity is a set of rules, it's a mindset of power and it always has been, every other "condition" is a cope.
If you're a masculine "man", by definition, you are not exploited, nor would do that to yourself.

>>12402248
Yeah I checked it out a couple of times but thought it was a large amount of viral marketing and schizoids

>>12402412
You're putting way too much thought into it.

>>12402450
Save your toilet reading for /tv/

>>12402471
neurotic af

>>12402486
It's something I've come to accept, even if I wanted to be less neurotic and attempt to "turn my brain off [not insinuating that all or any of my thoughts are in anyway brilliant]"
I can't fathom it, just as I can't fathom a reciprocal sexual relationship. It doesn't exist in my universe, I once got a massage and the woman was letting out shallow grunts and I felt as though I should be aroused, but it had been conked out of me. Instinctively, although my confession means nothing to you, I would like to understand why can rationalize not being hypervigiliant in a world with so many antagonists.

>>12402532
fuck man sounds really tough. I have no advice for you as everyone is different, but I really hope you find a way to make life a little more comfortable and enjoyable for yourself.

>>12391080
Boomers are the whiniest and most entitled generation in history.

>>12392432
Another way to put it would be the difference between Stakhanovism and Taylorism. It's quite interesting that for all its talk of individualism the West implemented a system in which the average worker was treated like a drone with no human qualities. Meanwhile, the Soviets made a national hero of a common worker and had competitions to see who could compare in their work ethic/output to the national hero. The capitalist version is lacking in culture, and, in the long-term especially, destroys productivity.
And this is by no means an isolated philosophy, as the thinking behind machine guns and aeroplane design was the same. The M16 was designed with the thinking that an average soldier has no understanding of the real mechanics and cannot take care of the rifle himself (apart from the basic cleaning and assembly). It was an efficient and accurate weapon, but also a disaster in the field due to jamming and getting clogged with mud. Meanwhile, the AK47 was designed so that the common soldier could repair it, switch up parts and make any changes he needed. It's not nearly as accurate, but it is basically indestructible and allows a soldier to modify and switch parts however he wants. It could be sitting in mud all night and fire perfectly when needed, and jams were rare and easy to clear. It's the difference between engineers with their theoretical efficiency and common people tinkering based on necessity.
It's really just propaganda saying that capitalism is more efficient. You have to keep in mind that Russia was devastated from the war, had less of a manufacturing base, no money acceleration process from colonies, and less than a third of the Western population. America was unscathed by the war. That's a huge handicap (like a queen in chess or nine stone in go) if one wants to analyse how efficient each system was.
t. not a communist, I'm sure there are interesting aspects of where capitalism worked much better as well

>>12393776
Q predicted this.

17 will pay it forward.

>>12393776
If these retards stopped buying avocadoes then maybe they could afford a house and a wife.

Even the diamond companies are suffering. Won't someone please think of the diamond miners?

>>12402629
Check this out:
https://youtu.be/HE6rSljTwdU
Russia's government has been between a rock and a hard place since before the bolsheviks, it's an entity that wants to continue to exist but the things it has to do for that goal are pretty fucked up, especially with US and China on the same tiny planet.

>>12402629
You should look up why M16 was having such huge issues.

It really was capitalism's fault, in a way, but not in a childish and oversimplified way you're presenting it..

>>12402181
>Prager U
right the channel that declared that Hitler wasn't a Nationalist

>>12393776
HOLY SHIT. ONE 40-HOUR JOB IS NOW 6 8 HOUR JOBS!

GREATUST ECONOMUH EVUH!

BASED ORANGE MAN GOOD!

>>12402648
Dennis Prager and his cronies are fucking retarded, I hate the democracy of the internet.

Work is slavery.

>>12402646
What were the problems? And how is it childish? Look at the aircrafts as well, it's the same thing. Western designs require constant attention to the runway and even a pebble could cause a fighter to crash. Meanwhile a frogfoot takes off from runways that are filled with cracks and ruts. It's a smart design strategy because in a real war the runways could be half destroyed. What are you going to do? Bring in half of the army to sweep away the craters?
Make an argument instead of these retarded fallacies that things have to be overly complicated. You're just proving my point.

>>12402640
There was a great lecture by some major diplomat that destroyed the media narrative about Russia being unpredictable, for example the annexation of Crimea was literally telegraphed over a decade ago, was a 100% obviously going to happen and any surprised expressed by world leaders is 100% fake.

>>12402553
for what it's worth, I appreciate the proverbial pat-on-the-back, my current hope is most likely counter-intuitive in shifting my reading towards the social. I realise that what most people want, sexual or no is a "contingency plan" in a relationship, either that or someone to plant their desires into, as such I'm currently attempting to mold myself physically into an object in the very slim hope that someone will put up the faucet in my head for shallower base instincts.
My family says I'm a man out of time and that may be true. I can't relate to the vast majority of people and in a strange sense I've actually become more confident because I assume everyone thinks I'm a daft cunt anyway, so my efforts are to make my eccentricities endearing (not like Brad Pitt with a sewing needle, more reasonably (yet still pathetically distant) like Zizek, where the appeal lies in intellectual rebellion rather than the physical / sexual rebellion I'm as of now incapable.)
It may be a symptom of the modern age, but in relentlessly trying to unfuck myself I've fallen into constant hyper-awareness where I can't escape my own narcissism, the very narcissism that is the only thing preventing me from looking like a fucking loser in public.
It's a vicious cycle. I hope I vaguely sate your curiosity by getting across, if anything an appreciation in your attitude.

>>12402646
Its was like old faggots not knowing what they had in their hands, and the military industrial complex ass being exposed.

>>12402681
Yeah, they're kind of screwed and delaying the inevitable by implementing this very expensive authoritarian type of propaganda despotism.
No worries. I hear the women are decently good looking so I kind of want them to collapse soon so we can get a wave of hot economic refugees. They're used to russian guys so for sure going to find me very attractive.
This is also why we should push for more women and children refugees for the middle east.
Imagine them without their oppressive shitty male overloards. Brown sugar in daisy dukes and an american flag bikini top? Yes please.

>>12402662
No, capitalist jobs are bullshit.
Work is that which is necessary to live. Socialism takes issue with the way those who work are remunerated. Which is obviously unfair under the current system

>>12402681
I don't think it was quite the stretch of the imagination that Russia had its eye back on retaining old territory, but the surprise of how sudden it became especially with a lot of international attention placed on Russia at the time (Olympics etc.)

AUTOMATION NOW!

>>12402676
M16 is not overly complicated. It's a fine assault rifle, and pretty reliable to boot. I'm saying it as a Russian with a casual interest in firearms history, btw, not an America-fuck-yeah mutt.

What happened to M16 in Vietnam was borderline sabotage. See, adopting it meant ditching M14 (which was a horribly outdated mess that only got adopted because of lobbying and general Army conservatism), and lots and lots of people HATED that. It was issued without any cleaning kits, and the Army switched to a dirtier, hotter powder, which caused it to run faster than it was designed to, causing failures to feed, parts breaking etc. The gun was well designed, revolutionary in many ways, accurate, lightweight, well sealed against dirt, and pretty easy to field-strip and clean. It's just that everything else went against it.

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1735

If you want to see a poorly designed American firearm, look up the problems with the M60.

>>12402181
>Prager U

>>12402687
Gotcha. I can tell from your tone here that you're struggling with an excess of self awareness. It honestly sounds like your plan might work, and in my experience any plan you commit to is better than no plan at all. You sound much smarter than me, and I'm doing fine, so you got this. Also sounds like your family is a bit of a support structure here, yeah? Lucky guy if so.
I believe you are going to be fine and have the potential to feel better very soon or at least get better at mitigating this 2019 flavor of narcissism, based on these two posts.
Thanks for expressing appreciation for my pat on the back, lol. In my opinion everyone deserves that from somebody so you don't need to even address it. Like I said, I truly hope it works out for you.

>>12402706
this fucking meme book. It's bad, the data is bad, the takes are bad. The shitty takes can't even be logically supported by the shitty data.
And can you pleast stop tripfagging? I know it's old fashioned to get hung up on this but I find it really annoying when one or a few people decide to fuck up an anonymous board like this. The best of chan culture is due to the anonymity and lack of signature, you're having fun here and thus benefitting, so do your part.

>>12402739
In all honesty whenever I've had this flattering notion bestowed upon me that I'm "smart", obviously it's a nice compliment, but I doubt I am any smarter than the average guy, I simply have a distorted vocabulary. The words that come to mind aren't chosen for accuracy, they're chosen because they just "pop up".
Thanks, I'll stop my wind-baggery. This is the year I hope to quit using the internet for good, but I have to admit it's nice to see support to-and-fro, in the same sense I also hope you have a good one Anon.
Watch, "It's a wonderful life" if you haven't already, you're making a real life for yourself.

This thread is ass

>>12402181
you people really can't go one fucking second without sucking zionist cock can you?

>>12403131
>>12402648
>>12402734
I'm not posting that in support of Prager ya mooks. The video's existence is something that hard-deconfirms what that anon was asserting is all.

>>12402751
I posted it for the theme of the post. I haven't read it and don't even have it on pdf
However, it clearly states at the bottom of the cover that it is a THEORY.
Your opinion doesn't even address it for what it is.

>An anonymous...
Is here >>>/b/ Your "best" of all chan cultures.

>>12402593
That's millennials. It's clear where all this bitching about boomers and zoomers is coming from. Mysteriously a generation in between both is being metioned less and less.

>>12402412
It's IS possible he is just a simple man extolling simple admirations ya know.
I swear to god you "m-muh wage slavery" soccie neets are insufferable.

>>12402325
I'm not watching your cute little video namefaggot. Put your faggot fingers to keys and type out what your trying to get across.

>>12403785
It's a brief ten minute review of the wonders of "Technocracy Technate"
It's all about getting more efficiency in society. Energy conversion accounting for maximum comfort, a functional working scheduled, that kind of thing.

That one book by Max Weber with capitalism in the title.

>>12404321
The Zero Books thing?

>>12404331
Was thinking about this thing.

>>12398484
Na, it just commodifies art to much where it doesn't reflect the human condition.

I'm not one for neoliberal capitalism or socialism, but a tempered mixed economy where capital's power is equal to labor's power seems to produce a cultural golden ages.

>working hard is bad

i hope your fathers know how their sons became spineless socialist faggots

>>12404392
No it;
>Working hard for chicken feed
>Working hard to enrich someone else
>Working harder and longer than the previous generation FOR LESS

Get your head out of your ass, the boss mans don't like you, fuckhead.

>>12404392
>working hard is bad
>socialist
Pick one, faggot.

>>12393904
wow, sounds like he belongs here

>ctrl f infinite jest
>no results
Meme trilogy should be obligatory reading for being allowed to post

>>12394687
t. pseudo-intellectual

>>12390950
The C.U.C.K. pledge

>>12390950
ayn rand or just talk to any slavish bitch anywhere anytime