/lit/ - Literature

Houellebecq writes about France of course, but your situation probably is quite similar

>>12374117
I share this feeling and those things you mentioned are all part of the unique despair you get living in Britain.

>>12374122
Houellebecq covers France in a very French way. There is in Britain a kind of understated, dark, self-effacing attitude which make a work of literature specifically British. In Houellebecq it's very French, or very Parisian at least, and if written in Britain it wouldn't come off. There is a youngish writer who was labelled the "British Houellebecq" a few years ago, but it just didn't work.

>>12374136
Have you read any books which "get it"?

At the moment it seems to be mostly middle class Southerner /lit/ from a middle-aged perspective (e.g. Ian McEwan) which is really just Brand Britain-meets-dregs of the Empire, and then the kind of ethnomasochistic, "fuck da system" shit written by Kate Tempest and the various Africans scooping up prizes of late.

Nick Hornby. Bit dated at this stage but How To Be Good is a good start for half that list.

>>12374147
Too unserious.

What about contemporary America

Or really just can anyone recommend me good Contemporary Lit that captures our culture's complexity and disconnectedness and absolute vulgar deluge of information? datapanik.

>>12374167
I know it’s /lit/ but desu Mr. Robot does this better than any book.

>>12374117
Ausfag here
Not just in britain, its like that everywhere

>>12374163
>I'd like Britain to change its sense of humour
K

>>12374117
Jonathan Bowden
Taken too soon

>>12374167
Private Citizens is supposed to be about that, by Tony someone. I think The Circle by Eggers does too.

>>12374180
I mean it's just middle-brow airport pulp. There is no sense of seriousness amid all the banter between wife and husband, except the kind that is relevant only to their relationship.

>>12374218
It is airport pulp, but I suspect you haven't read it since it's mostly about following a guru.

>>12374144
Hopefully eventually an Orwell type figure will come along and write the modern equivalent of Wigan Pier.

>>12374225
Of course I haven't, but my point remains. I'm not after pulp, I'm after Trainspotting meets Confederacy of Dunces meets Please Be Quiet, Please.

>>12374117
i haven't read them but i'm guessing any of martin amis' books

>>12374238
Too satirical, written too lazily by someone who isn't empathetic enough to see his characters as anything but pawn pieces.

>>12374232
Welsh is also airport pulp. You haven't mad a case for why Trainspotting is better pulp, and you seem to think that Hornsby's focus is something rather different. I mean, if I categorised Trainspotting as being too much about Beeching's dismantling of the railways after ww2, you'd doubt my ability to read the same way I'm doubting yours now.

You won't get anything like that published. Don't you know anything about the UK publishing industry? Look how Sally Rooney is getting hyped up after writing a classic hampstead intellectuals in love novel.
Maybe some modern Dickens or Zola could manage it, but he'd be kicking against the pricks the whole time. The modern bourgeoisie is if anything even more snobbish and condescending than in Victorian times, Young was right when he theorised the rise of meritocracy would have this effect.
You'll have to write it yourself anon

>>12374244
>mad
Made*
>Hornsby
Hornby

>>12374244
Trainspotting at least slows down to deal with some characters empathetically, although I agree that isn't serious literature, hence my bringing Carver into the mix. Trainspotting "gets" Britain though in a way Hornsby, who is very much a Guardian-friendly, Sussex-dwelling, Londonista doesn't get. He's too sane.

>>12374246
I've only read an excerpt from Sally Rooney and it seems to be focused on the middle class, though in an unapologetic way. I found the sex scenes sexy, but it did read like a YA, e.g. "I was soooo weird and friendless and the girls in school were huge bitches even though I was intelligent, but THEN, I met Chad and my life was never the same"

>>12374183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL3agVbX6K8

Who will capture Britain the way Larkin did?

To me his work was "British" in a way few works of literature are, although his hatred of the working class irks me somewhat as he hadn't first done the decent thing and emerged from the working class to then turn around and stick out his tongue at it.

>>12374268
Hornby mocks the market you think he's liked by. That's why he wrote a book about how they're going to follow a guru and get overly into charity that's more charitable than the neighbour's recycling fads only to find out they're still boringly middle class. Most of his books are about how those people are utterly unfulfilled and friendless with mere passing acquaintances who they despise for their ordinariness and pretense. He's doing much the same thing Hollebecq does with the middle class people he invents.

>>12374283
Fair enough, I just find him bland and family friendly. The kind of thing you see Londoners chortling at on the tube. I'm looking for the Breece Pancake of Darlington, the Alan Sillitoe of today, the angsty but articulate Angry Young Man of contemporary Britain, with a bit of neoliberal critique thrown in.

>>12374293
Neoliberalism has hollowed out the working class too much for that to happen. You won't get any intellectuals coming from somewhere like Wakefield anymore.

>>12374293
I think you're making the mistake of lumping him in with chick lit. He really is the closest thing to Hollebecq from England, thought I'll point out that Hollebecq is closer to chick lit than I'm rating Hornby. You're making an assumption about him which only a really dumb Londoner who thinks he's not mocking their social consciousness would make. It's like taking the satisfaction with the polygamist culture in Submission as Hollebecq converting to Islam. Sure, some people do, but they're also about as smart as a chick lit reader.

>>12374311
Hornby isn't meta enough. I just read an Amazon preview of that guru book and it has his wife saying "My column is ironic" and him responding "I laughed ironically". Houellebecq is way too blackpilled to sink to those kind of comedic depths. I'm looking for brutality, comedic and sociological.

>>12374311
You think Nick Hornby is like Hollaback? Like the Fever Pitch, High Fidelity guy?

The collected shitposts of Londonfrog

>>12374347
I like the theory they are part of an experimental novel, and the responses to him will be included, as a portrait of modern alienation and despair

>>12374351
Who came up with that theory?

>>12374329
English brutality won't address most of those things and will be more pulp trucrime. I haven't read Hornsby's one about failed suicides, but I don't know how you're rating Hollebecq as more brutal except that you seem to think Hornby won't write about the same things when he does.
>>12374332
Yeah. Elementary Particles makes a lot of girls think they're reading big boy male science books the way Fever Pitch made them think they like reading about football.

>>12374358
Hornby. I don't know why I keep fucking that up.

>>12374358
I guess I can see how Hornby satirising the emptiness of middle class lifestyle fetishes (only read FP, HF and AAB) puts him in similar territory to Houlebecq, but he seems too cosy and lightweight for me. Too much hugging and learning

this

>>12374117
John King

Stop mate youre making me feel less bad about being an american. Is the entire anglosphere just in complete shambles?

>>12374384
How to Be Good is where it started to get very obvious he hates his neighbours dumb dumb dumb ideas. His endings get more "grin and bear it" as it goes I think, so the ending on a hug idea gets kind of bleak because it becomes more like grim acceptance than resolution.

which is worse - North Dublin or South London?

>>12374399
As bad as Britain is it'll never be as bad as America

>>12374402
Quick death is better so South London

>>12374399
Provincial England is basically any desolate flyover state with spice instead of meth. London is a different matter of course

The Silk Handkerchiefs trilogy by Paul Haworth.

Not fiction, but Peter Hitchens' books cover a lot of the issues surrounding it.

>>12374117
While you’ve identified plenty that’s wrong with the country, I seriously resent your disgust at the “paki ghettos” and “rape gangs”. I live in a part of SW London which has the highest concentration of Indian-Pakistani/Tamil-speaking population, and it’s nothing like you describe. The cultural separation of first generation immigrants (particularly in the north where they’re more isolated) is a problem, but your generalisation of them is excessive and dangerous, and leans on tabloid-tier conspiracy theories.

>>12374421
>rape gangs and pakis arent a problem
Cuck

>>12374358
I agree about the crime thing, which I loathe, e.g. movies about East End gangs where people walk around with pistols etc. Houellebecq is more brutal because he doesn't making joking / banter / satire the heart of his novels, and usually ends up by providing a clear moral message or heartfelt depiction of someone trying to be sincere and loving in a cold and brutal world. His ruthless, lengthy sociological essays, self-consciously and unapologetically pasted into conversations, are often very brutal and harsh. Whatever, for example, is just pure brutality, even though he jokes about being depressed and lonely, it is rarely treated as something unserious.

>>12374392
Nice one. I've read Football Factory, but this seems more mundane and readable.

>>12374167
Bleeding Edge is all you'll ever need

>>12374399
America is producing a ton of great books about this kind of culture, environment, social class etc.

Rustbelt fiction is in great shape as far as I can tell, as are books about the general poverty afflicting the former US middle class.

>>12374421
m8 he's not limiting it to London. London has more Pakistanis but everyone thinks Birmingham for Pakistani ghettos because they mean the Kashmiris who settled up there. The rape gangs part depends on the city too. London =/= England. Most of the Pakistani centres where you find everything in Urdu are up North

>>12374117
Why not just make this thread on /Pol/? We all know you aren't interested in books.

>>12374421
You can criticize anything unless its brown.

>>12374421
>conspiracy theories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Sex_Gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_sex_gang

Oxford: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11447263/Oxford-sex-grooming-ring-Police-dont-have-time-to-keep-girls-safe.html
Keighley: http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11443422.28_men_arrested_in_Keighley_grooming_gang_probe/
Rochdale: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11444671/Ten-charged-in-Rochdale-child-grooming-investigation.html
Bristol: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30078503
Telford: http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/10/horror-of-telford-girls-sex-abuse-ordeal/
Birmingham: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/child-sexual-exploitation-force-west-9151006#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Wycombe: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-22626994
Harrow: http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/colindale-brothers-mohammad-imran-shabbir-6240834

The pakistani child prostitution gangs and the institutional collusion of the police/council/home office/child protection services that allowed and continues to allow them to happen

>>12374428
Yeah this isn't convincing me he's more brutal than Hornby. Hornby's brutal in a very British way, but Hollebecq is pretty tame for French brutality. He's not as flowery and soft as Genet, but that doesn't make him in the same league as the Story of O.

>>12374411
Thanks, reading an excerpt on his website right now. It's a bit colloquial, and that gets tiring pretty fast in my experience. But never heard of this author before.

>>12374454
Retarded leftie absolutley blown the fuck out

>>12374421
Oh fuck off mate, I wasn't talking about your little bubble in South London. 80% of grooming gangs are Asian, while they only make up something like 8% of the overall population. It's a huge issue in working class communities up north. And London has its own problems with black crime, but it's not really the kind of "Britain" I care about much these days.

>>12374293

You're scum. You read for image. Fuck off and never come back, faggot poseur.

>>12374421
Which part of SW London?

>>12374117
Check out Jonathan Bowden
I dont know about his books but his speeches address everything you mentioned here
Unfortunately he died a few years ago after suffering a serious mental breakdown
He was a great man, he associated with morons but he was a true gem in the rough

>>12374457
>It's a bit colloquial, and that gets tiring pretty fast in my experience.
that's the london ting innit bruv

>>12374117
be the first
write it yourself

>>12374448
I'm after fictional novels. And they needn't be right-wing, I'm just bored of the kind of Guardian-tier stuff that's being published. Many of the great working class novelists of the 60s were socialists IIRC, and I've no problem reading them.

>>12374481
good post
it'd be nice to see more people be proactive and use some agency instead of looking for others to follow all the time

>>12374455
As I said, fair enough, and I best give Hornby a better go before I form too strong an opinion. Thanks for the rec.

>>12374465
Back the fuck off!?? It's not about image, but aesthetics. I was referring to gritty realism, which is necessary to some extent when depicting Britain truthfully.

>>12374487
No problem. I'm not shilling him as fantastic (I wouldn't call Hollebecq that either) but he is on point for what you describe. Plus you can pick them up cheap secondhand. He might be a pleasant surprise.

>>12374532
Tommy is a charlatan and an actor

>>12374548
elaborate please

>>12374602
He's a zionist stooge who just shills for shekels to please his Jew boss at Rebel media.

>>12374242
i don't think it's actually meant to be a satire is it
i remember everyone thought it was & he said it isn't

>>12374117
Just read some Peter Hitchens books. Why would anyone want to write truthful fiction about this country?

Try giving Jonathan Meades a go. A truly brilliant mind and very funny. Novels ‘Pompey’ and ‘Filthy English’ are very good. I hear his others are good too. Also check out his documentaries on YouTube- ‘Meades Shrine’
https://m.youtube.com/user/MeadesShrine

>>12374607
the rebel jew aside, i don't see why fighting the islamisation of the UK isn't a more pressing matter than pointing out jewish trickery. I still think his fight is right and he should be suppported

>>12374117
I was.
>planned a novella about an underground vigilante group obsessed with ridding England of the immigrant problem
>the vigilante group was a virtuous cover up for other illegal activities
>one of the two protags, younger generation, was suckered into joining
I wrote 137 pages and gave up.

Rotting Hill by Wyndham Lewis.

unironically Will Self

>>12374117
>I need... anal sex

Lord Horror

>>12374117
>I'm talking about life in the deanoboxes, the terraces, the Paki ghettos, the post-industrial wastelands. I'm talking about the rape gangs, the male suicide epidemic, Amazon fulfillment wageslavery. I want to read about the zero contract shift workers, the obsessive NEET loners stuck in their Mum's spare room. Travelling to work on an over-crowded bus, standing about in the job centre. The clash of working class pleb culture and the privately educated upper class. I'm talking rainy walks with the dog. I need roundabouts, industrial estates, anal sex, cornershops, the exodus to London, Spice addicts, humanities graduates working in bars, the home ownership crisis, identity politics, ethnomasochism, historical revisionism, Primark, retail work, modern feminism, high rents, boomer resentment, ethnic replacement, isolation, social media, hookup culture, brand identity.

This country is completely fucked, and it's going to come to a head soon. Think Brexit will probably tip us over the edge desu lads.

>>12374643
Will Self is shit

>>12374441
examples?

>>12374776
Knockemstiff, American Rust, Crimes in Southern Indiana, Pancake's stuff that was just reprinted,

Arabian Nights

>>12374798
post excerpts or make a thread

>>12374117
that isn't britain, it's an invention of your mind

>>12374876
Or maybe you're walking around with your eyes shut

>>12374421
Shut the fuck up

Look up a book called 'Dark Albion' by David Abbot. it got recommended to me when i bought camp of the saints. It's essays though.

>>12374117
NW by Zadie Smith.

>>12374117
How long will this last lads, it's killing me.

>>12375032
Brexit will fix most of it.

>>12375042
brexit will add economic troubles and fix none of the cultural ones

>>12375054
>none of the cultural ones
Yep. The Pakistanis aren't going anywhere, and who can say where all these energies will end up being expended. We'll have a lot of uneducated people whose lives are getting even poorer and shitter, who believed that they would be free of Muslims and foreigners if brexit happened, and a ready made 'stabbed in the back' myth waiting to fall into place

>>12374683
Heard it wasn't looking good for brexit

>>12375075
their own fault. should have elected labour instead of falling for the brexit meme

>>12375054
Most of the people who voted Brexit already have economic troubles. Going to the North of England and saying "if you vote Leave it'll ruin our manufacturing" is going to fall on deaf ears.

>>12375097
>elected labour
Name 1 (one) thing that Labour has done to benefit those people. Besides, they vote for them anyway, even in Rotherham they still voted Labour.

The one YA zombie magic apocalypse had surprisingly good insights on british life.

>>12375104
>Going to the North of England and saying "if you vote Leave it'll ruin our manufacturing" is going to fall on deaf ears

perhaps "the tories destroyed manufacturing once, don't let them do it again" would've done it

>>12374117
>the deanoboxes, the terraces, the Paki ghettos, the post-industrial wastelands. I'm talking about the rape gangs, the male suicide epidemic, Amazon fulfillment wageslavery. I want to read about the zero contract shift workers, the obsessive NEET loners stuck in their Mum's spare room. Travelling to work on an over-crowded bus, standing about in the job centre. The clash of working class pleb culture and the privately educated upper class. I'm talking rainy walks with the dog. I need roundabouts, industrial estates, anal sex, cornershops,

You can read my diary, desu

>>12374167
>American
>our culture's complexity

>>12375117
Post it la

why is there now yellow vest movement in london

>>12375116
What is/was Labours plan to bring manufacturing back? They had 13 years under Blair/Brown, and they did fuck all.

>>12374421
>live in a part of SW London which has the highest concentration of Indian-Pakistani/Tamil-speaking population, and it’s nothing like you describe. The cultural separation of first generation immigrants (particularly in the north where they’re more isolated) is a problem

You imply that this is just a first-generation problem, but in actual fact, over 33% of muslims under the age of 21 believe that those who leave Islam should be killed.

Integration is a farce. We have allowed these immigrants to come at such a rate that areas in Britain resemble Pakistan in every way except geography. These children, then, grow up in the exact same environment as their parents and grandparents.


Also, come to Hounslow and then pretend that the 'Paki ghettos' aren't complete shitholes

>>12374117

I thought Britain was always like this

>>12375116
There's nothing to destroy. In all those post-industry towns the its been call centres and warehouse jobs for decades. The politicians don't want to admit it, but places like Rotherham or Wakefield or Preston etc have nothing going for them and will only decline further. Capital doesn't give a fuck about them. The mill is never going to open again

>>12375124
Because it's a French phenomenon, since they've all got yellow vests in their cars by law and can whip them out in times of revolt.

>>12375121
you can think of american culture what you want, but denying the complexity of the clusterfuck that it is makes you look like a dumb abonigger or even a french person.

>>12374117
"Lost at sea The Eternal Anglo is a Saxon without resources. Here the wound of the executioner's axe strikes as the broad axe against nature—but hewn as a cult for nature itself. The wilderness lives on as the thanatotheology of poetics, an industrialism without need of a proletariat, a syncretism of the Heathen sacrificed to His Christianity.
The Eternal Anglo has no sense of nation, thus there can be neither nationalism nor anti-Angloism. Here, within, this tide of the German Ideology insulates Him as a moat swirling into a landbridge of the dead. The carrion of foreign forces hold up the broken stride of Pals battalions, but continue to shudder as if their march strode on in time.
As His forces die - off somewhere in European wars - He sees Himself ever more as the Wound Man. He cuts his biology out of himself as the plagued organ of the smaller continent which can never be encircled. Victory comes as the pestilence of His soul is flung over the walls of continents—at once reconciling the paradox of the state of nature and the social contract with its triumph.
Now the Eternal Anglo chucks his own body over the castle walls; but only because he prefers to be on the receiving end of the pestilence of the soul.
Pyrrhic Victory is the imperial cult of The Eternal Anglo. His siege of the soul has sacked biology to the extent that His physiognomy of speech - that strangely anti-biological speech of the Queen living on through the jaundiced breath of the peasantry - arises from outside of the body, from outside life itself even; just as His state had risen outside of itself. He is a spectral soldier, apart from the crumpets and crumple of his teeth.
And here the dead voices of German folk singers are kept alive within the tone-deaf monarchism of The Eternal Anglo. Only death may sing alone.
Like the crumpets and their aristocratic strumpets, His teeth wander the fields of oceans without need. His spectral being is the occlusion of that which may never close in a bite. But beyond all theologies of power he has managed to capture something within the crude asymmetry of His jaw. The hole which does not resent. The hole which does not grow. The hole which lives beyond any spirit of attack. The hole which marches forward with neither heroism nor sacrifice nor the cheers of victory, only the endless passivity of forwardness. Against the Earth-March of the Germans He dry-heaves a quaint little garden into a desert.
Only rubble may grow Victory Gardens."

Any books about contemporary Manchester?

>>12374117
There is no book that can adequately detail the absolute desolateness of post-industrial Britain, but the Abolition of Britain does a rather good job of explaining how we got to this point. The author talks about everything from our national psyche, to the effects of the pill, to the damage frozen foods have done to families.

>>12374683
Why do you think the country is "fucked"?

That sounds .... kinda negative dude.

>country where manufacturing started
>produces fuck all

kinda sad desu

Any books on the UK housing crisis?

>>12374163
Being light about misery is how Britain has acted forever though. You can't capture the essence of the country with something wholly serious.

>>12375148
We should have listened to Enoch Powell

>>12375132
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/liverpool-london-brexit-leave-eu-referendum

Actually a good article from The Guardian on this subject.

this is like a better /brit/ thread on int, we should have these regularly

Can we have some general recs for British art currently being produced, be it photograph, film, books or whatever?

One example I'd recommend is the music of Bill Ryder-Jones.

>>12374117
You don't want to read about shit like that, nobody listens or believes the shit that goes on.
The community is as dead as door nails. Everybody is a spiteful, vicious, selfish piece of shit. Police aid in corruption (dealing taking a cut from drug dealing to keep quiet about it). I have personally witnessed council workers and police with a bias in cases take it upon themselves to fabricate evidence against people in court. I have seen people have their kids taken away for the most ridiculous reasons. I have seen murder and suicide. I had to leave the UK in general.

>>12375195
Where did you go lad?

>>12375195
Surely leaves room for a modern Zola or Balzac to lift up the rock

"ANYONE CAUGHT WITH A KNIFE SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!"
Anglo conservatives, everyone...
(20:40)
https://youtu.be/eIqeayENY2o?t=1239

I dont really get what more socialists types can really do with these old working class towns, you likely cant reducate them, they wont bring back polluting manufacturing, the most they can do is gibs.

>>12375148
What a random list of towns
>>12375149
We sell shit now

>>12375129
Not that guy but its pretty easily understood that Blair/Brown were just neoliberal pesudo-tories that aggressively pandered to what the middle class wanted but didn't need.

>>12374421
So rape gangs are not a problem, is what you're saying?

>>12375094
We're gonna leave without a deal, which is going to cause an almighty shit-storm when it becomes clear just how much we actually rely on trade deals to get even the most basic of shit - like chemicals to treat water, or how we plan to import food as we've decided to leave at the period where food stocks are at their lowest between seasons.

This is because everyone in government right now are too busy arguing/positioning themselves for a power grab, which has been ongoing since the result, without preparing anything just in-case and desu have waited too late to do anything meaningful now. I have a close friend who works for a local council who is telling me that everyone above him is shitting themselves as they're not getting nearly enough information from Westminster on how to prepare even slightly given the knock-on consequences of the shift that will happen almost overnight.

Everywhere seems to be struggling due to the cuts over the last decade and it seems like most urban areas are the equivalent of tinderboxes already with issues mentioned by OP. It only needs slight instability which this will inevitably bring to cause a shitstorm. I'm not optimistic at all.

>>12375216
I guess people just crossed the wrong "Labour" box then, they meant to mark "Real Labour" but they marked "Fake Labour" by mistake! What a whoopsoe-doodle that is.

>>12375215
The worst affected lid.

>>12375129

>Blair/Brown

>Labour in anything but name

Anon...

>>12375228
Of course they represented Labour at the time but there's this crazy thing that happens in political parties where the dominant faction changes over time.

>>12375223
Good luck friend, it's not looking much better in Frogland. I always considered the "Corrupted and incompetent Government" trope a little exaggerated but it's become quite clear where they stand. Back then, heads would have rolled on the ground and the sewers would have run red.

>>12375238
>>12375233
So basically you think people should vote Labour, and hope they get "Real Labour" even though they have no way of selecting between "Real" and "Fake" Labour? This isn't exactly a glowing endorsement of a party.

>>12375223
This. I think the main thing that is becoming clear to people now is regardless of political view, you are going to be fucked by an aristocratic class that does nothing but lie to you.

>>12375240
What are the specific reasons frogs are sperging out, other than fuel tax?

Some sociology PhD student on /pol/ posted a lengthy thread about the various reasons that led to it (e.g. France's traditional strong public sector being cut) but what do the yellow vests actually want?

>>12375244
corbyn clearly distanced himself from his predecessor

>>12375244
What? The selection of the party leaders happens internally, so just don't vote Labour if you don't think their candidate is representing them adequately. Tories have the exact same issue.

this seems like the perfect opportunity for a socialist revolution. And I don't mean voting labour, I mean killing rich people and minorities

>>12374216
Professional writers and middle-class NPCs aren't going to be able to capture the essence of this shit.

>>12375246
What is your opinion of the British upper class?

I grew up poor but now work alongside mostly privately educated people who attended the top boarding schools etc. They are nice people, but I'm torn on the issue of private schooling etc.

>>12375249
its actually from reddit, lel. have it

I'll give my perspective. This is from a French guy doing a PhD in sociology, with the biases and also the capacity to generalise that comes with this perspective.

France has been implementing neo Liberal economic policies for decades now that have progressively undermined in tandem with globalisation the Middle class that was created from the 50s to the early 90s.

It used to be that part of the reason for this middle classes existence were strong public services that kept costs down in terms of energy, transport and communications, and enabled a measure of redistribution from urban centres to rural areas, by providing cheap services and mass employment.

The last 30 years has seen successive governments cutting taxes for big companies and capital, privatising services and such. This loss of revenue was compensated by cutting costs in rural areas like closing schools, hospitals, train lines and all that made life there livable on the cheap. This has been an issue for a while, and most regions in France are loosing population in favour of very few economic centers. Small rural areas and even major cities like toulouse are loosing population to the capital, London, and the Rhône region, while old industrial heartlands are progressively deserted and agricultural regions survive with difficulty. Meanwhile, INSEE (public office of statistics in France) have show that living standards for the bottom 70% of earners have frozen since the last nineties, and class mobility which increased for every generation since wwII has been decreasing for the first time in the 2002 study. President Hollande cancelled the 2012 study out of fear it could engender too much contestation.

This constitutes the backdrop of the whole issue. Now for the trigger.

The last lifeline for poor rural folk was their ability to find work far from home by being able to afford transportation. Having a car, and being able to afford fuel, is equivalent to being able to continue living for most rural people and the urban poor that have been relegated to far from city centres by gentrification and increasingly unaffordable housing.

So when président announces that older vehicles (the only ones poor people can afford) will be taxed more to encourage people to buy newer vehicles, that these vehicles will loose the right to be driven on polluted days, and that the fuel they use (diesel) will be taxed a lot more, you directly attack the lively hood of millions of people across the country.

>>12375249
pt. 2


These measures, taken in the name of global warming, are seen as widely hypocritical by the poeple. Big SUVs are not taxed more, are allowed to drive on polluted days. Macron himself oversaw a reform of the public train company ensuring its increasing privatisation, allowing for more expensive tickets and overseeing the creation of a cheaper bus service to double the now unaffordable train tickets. The trains were electric and fast, the buses pollute and are slow. You get the picture.

So all these people who used to trust the media and condemn workers striking because their jobs were going to Eastern Europe or China, or people protesting privatisation, are now blocking motorways and rioting in Paris. This is scary, because it offers a rallying cry against neo liberalism and the new oligarchie class that has shapen so much of international politics since the 80s. In my opinion this is why you don't hear a lot about it in international media.
.
I think that it is fuelled by exactly the same rise in inequalities and lack of social mobility that generated the rise of trump, and euroscepticism. It offers a certain hope to create a political movement that would create class consciousness to oppose the global rise of inequality and the dangers inherent to this with the erosion of state power and the incapacity to face the threat of climate change. At the same time, as was seen in the US and UK, and more recently in Italy, it is a golden opportunity for nationalistic movements and those who exploit them for their own gain to dismantle a little more of the polity in Western democracies and generate internecine conflict

>>12375255
So? Parties elect a Prime Minister after they win a general election. A vote for "Corbyn Labour" is as good as a vote for "Umunna Labour", and you have no control over who they put up if they get in to power.

>>12375256
It's not just that. People people don't vote for an MP, they vote for a party. So there's no real choice of a "Real Labour" if your choice of MP for your constituency is "Fake Labour."

>>12375259
Nor are angry, inarticulate NORFeners and right-wing Twitter e-celebs looking to make some money from their teenage wehrboo paypigs.

>>12375262
>>12375264
Thanks laddy. Any books on this issue?

I read a book about Houellebecq recently which focuses on his sociological / political themes, and was interested to discover that when his first book came out and he was described as a lone voice standing against neoliberalism, the truth was that tons of writers at the time (fiction & non-fiction) were writing about the issue in France.

>>12375240
Cheers m8, genuinely having to spend my time looking at long-lasting foods, provisions and non electrical shit just in case the worst case scenario happens because so far everything that was seen to be the worst case scenario over the last two years has happened and I doubt anything is going to change within the next couple of months.

It's surreal being in the UK at the moment - it's so clear the government is/we're in chaos and we're hurtling towards the worst case scenario to a point where we're just sat laughing about how ridiculous it is knowing how bad it'll be. Being in Tottenham in 2011 during the last set of riots was eye-opening as to how quickly the state/police can just fuck off and leave you to your own.

>>12375246
The poorest are always the ones who are fucked - it's genuinely the one thing that stands true regardless of race, religion or political systems. What I can't believe is that people fell for all this nonsense.

>>12374399
Despair at the state of your country and the feeling that everything is slowly slipping away is the usual British state of being desu. Eternal pessimism is the norm here

>>12375274
>being anti-Brexit

Fuck off Quentin

>>12375270
Is that what I was suggesting?

>>12375258
Both nationalism and communism are going to make an active resurgence. This is the start of our 30s.

>>12375271
This is almost always the case. Rarely are there completely unique ideas, what catches on is either the writing which captures the story well, or whoever has status.

>>12375289
Dunno tbqh

>>12375288
>Quentin
I'm from Tottenham m8.

>>12375270
>>12375116
>>12375104
>muh norf is bad and poor
Actually, the Norf has the fastest growing economies in the UK. The economy around Manchester is booming, jobs are everywhere. This is how I know 90% of people on 4chan are just bullshiters that talk utter nonsense. Most of you haven't left your parents homes in years and just repeat things you read from other people just like you.

>>12375292
Not going to work. Nationalism is dead, and the spirit of people has changed. Those who will take power in the next stage will have to apprehend this new spirit. Read this: >>12375139

>>12375306
Alright, sorry Schlomo

>>12375307
Absolutely not true you nonce. The economy is "booming" if you want to become an Uber driver or whatever. Secure, well-paying jobs are scarce.

>>12375274
Christ, that sounds downright apocalyptic. What state do you expect the UK to be in by the end of the 2020s? Just an educated guess, nothing serious.

>>12375307
Manchester is doing well and that's about it. Half the towns around it are still shit, run down and some of the most deprived areas in the country. Grew up in one and 2008 killed the town barring the poundshop and Greggs

>>12375354
Is Manchester noticeably diverse now? It was about 59% in 2011 and surely will be minority WB in 2021.

>>12375362
Hard to tell, still a fair few white people where i live (more than London anyways), but the Chinese student population has exploded in the last 5-10 years meaning that in the city center something like 1/5 of people are Chinese at certain times but they're mostly temporary. The gigantic increase in Chinese students is the only thing ive noticed

What books would a cute working-class girl like this be reading in 2018 lads?

>>12375371
J.K Rowling

>>12375233
That's a common misconception desu, it was the most radical British government since Cromwell. Demographically-transformative levels of migration, House of Lords reform, a complete onslaught against civil liberties.

>>12375342
No they're not.
You're just some bellend with a degree in literature. Tech jobs are some of the fastest growing jobs currently.

>>12375362
I live in south Manchester (Gatley). Almost all white

>>12375381
>muh techies

Fuck off to /g/ you goober

>>12375383
Isn't that Greater Manchester though? On the census there's Manc Central and Greater Manchester. The former is 59%

>>12374293
I'm from near Darlington. Can you wait 10 years for me to write it and get published?

>>12375391
It'll be Greater Manchester. Manchester central has China town and a bunch of other minorities clustered in areas like Rusholme.

>>12374273
His inequality dream is realised at least

>>12375307
where is the wage growth reflecting this "boom"

>>12374117
Bahahahaha I knew this was a fucking /lit/ post.

>>>/tv/108258747

>>12375447
i guessed it was a stealth /brit/ post because of deano

>>12375262
>>12375264
i chatted with a french guy on /int/ once. fella couldn't get a job because he had no degree and no experience (due to high barriers to entry-level and even unpaid positions), but the unemployment agency he went to couldn't send him to job training because of budget constraints, and welfare (€500 a month) apparently cuts off the moment you register at university, so he had no choice but to languish in gib purgatory with the added bonus of some dodgy gig slavery every now and then. no social mobility, just total rigidity. seems utterly rotten

>>12374167
Evan Dara, Sergio De La Pava, and Deborah Eisenberg

Maybe Joy Williams if you want decay

>>12375274
>>12375223

Ah, some mental no deal apocalypse bullshit from Tarquin and Louis (parents work in media, live in Islington or the Shires, have never had to work in atomised service industry jobs competing with illegally underpaid eastern europeans, etc.). I'm not sure if you're pigshit arse-backwards thick enough to have believed the BBC/Guardian stories that tell us no deal means riots and food shortages, but whether you are or you aren't, you're spooking gullible foreigners like >>12375350.

>>12374238
Lionel Asbo is shit, just like everything else execreted by professional silver spoon cunt Martin Amis. A far worse novelist than his father.

>>12375246
Britain has been fucked by the same elite class since the Industrial Revolution. We were fucked a little more gently from 1945 to 1979, when you could leave school at 18 and have public housing, a decently-paid, lifelong job and strong trade unions to offer some protection, but since globalisation and neoliberalism really kicked in we're left with the Britain outlined by OP. If you're the kind of ivory tower cunt that thinks muh no deal Brexit will make everyone "wake up", you're the kind of person that has been able to survive post-1979 for the most part unscathed. Leaving the EU won't make things any better in itself, but it has dealt the smug neoliberal cunts in the media a bloody nose and made them all upset about a possible camembert shortage. That's something to be grateful for.

>>12375381
Yeah, loads of tech jobs in Doncaster and Chorley.

>>12375556
Who's the faggot, I could check in and open him on /fr/ with mangled french to the vast world of public domain works hosted online .

literal tens of millions of words (several times the span of gay shitty fantasy novel series like ASOIAF) of ancient chronicles, plays, novels, all available for FREE, and since he speaks two languages he has double that for himself

NEETdom can be way more interesting than wagecuckery.

>>12374117
>>deanoboxes

>that smell of fresh carpet
>that fine dust on all the surfaces
>that builders mcdonalds trash in the recycling box
>deano cracks open the door on his new empire, letting the waft of fresh house waft waftily over him, like cracking open that first can of the night
>his key clatters down and echoes on the table, he cracks open his first fosters of the night, 3 pint cans in the fridge. bosh. home sweet home
>the stench of carpets begins to dull his senses
>he can't tell if he's warm or cold, his house is so well insulated and it's completely silent.
>Deano hums chelsea dagger to himself. his own palace. he notices one of the brown letters that looks important
>sat in the middle of his "living room" floor (where the beanbag's going), Deano opens the letter
>'Congratulations on your new home. MR Dean Oswald, We hope that you are settling well. This is a note to notify you that we will commence taking payments of £4919 p/w/p.a/pp commencing as of the first of last month, not including the outstanding monthly and bimonthly interest inclusions at 299% APR per annum. Regards Conglomobank'.
>Deano's eyes see the words but none of it sinks in. he drops the letter and pulls a pizza menu towards him
>Fuck yeah! The local pizza place do donner meat on a pizza! The lads are gonna flip their shit!

IT WASNT SPOSE TO BE A BLOODY DOCU

>>12375579
have you heard of my charity tech startup that teaches slum children in mogadishu how to code?

>>12374180
What is british humor? It changes every time I see people talk about it

>>12375381
>It's okay 35 year old bazza can start coding
fuck off reddit

>>12375574
ahh the tankies have arrived. how lovely

>>12375574
>but it has dealt the smug neoliberal cunts in the media a bloody nose

thats the whole problem. they will get away with a bloody nose, the people who'll experience inflation and budget cuts because of brexit will have it worse

>>12374167
>>12374117

>>12375587
>Deano hums chelsea dagger to himself
kek

such a shit song, even for landfill indie. its endurance is mindboggling

>>12375381
>why don't the poor simply get degrees that would help them get careers in growth industries

>>12375371
Mine gf reads Freud and lets me put it up her arse

>>12375464
what's that?

>>12375638
and how does that make you feel?

so no deal is basically the most likely option now?

mays proposal is shit, it will turn britain into a second-rate EU member and thats it

>>12375612
>inflation and budget cuts because of brexit

We've had budget cuts since 2010. The budgets of local authorities will be 50% of what they were in 2010 by 2020. Some councils have had to apply for administration by central government because they can barely afford to pay binmen. Guardian cunts moaning about how much brexit will hurt the poor are cynical, self-interested bastards. They spend week after week trying to smear the Labour leadership which, if elected, genuinely would change things for the poor people they claim to care about (but often openly loathe and decry as feckless chavs, thick racists, culturally backward, insufficiently cosmopolitan etc.). One thing Brexit will probably do is cause a drop in house prices, which is the last thing these cunts want.

>>12375646
most likely is they cancel brexit

>>12375659
dude, the guardian is pro-labour whenever they express a political opinion
the readers are *extremely* pro-labour, read any comment section
dunno why you picked the guardian out of all media to hate.

what brexit did so far was to weaken the pound significantly, making it easier for foreigners to buy british assets and harder for brits to buy import goods

>>12375645
Like a child exploring his anal fase with plenty of help and lube from a nice chubby girl

>>12375640
>pull up to my Barratt new build home with my 25 year fixed rate mortage in my grey Audi A3 on finance after a hard days work as deputy assistant head of sales targeting
>open the boot and take out my River Island and Superdry bags with the new gear I bought on the way home from work
>open the door
>yell hello to my wife of 2-years in the kitchen as she is already home from her work as a Team Leader in a call centre
>sit down on my leather sofa bought on sale at Sofology (haha I love those adverts, what is that sloth like haha, love sloths me)
>put up my feet on the IKEA table
>whap on the telly and tune in just in time to see Bradders going through the rules of the final chase with the contestants who made it through before they face Anne Hegarty
>perfect timing as my wife comes in with the dinner, another one of Jamie Oliver's cracking 30 minute meals
>tuck in as I pretend to listen to my wife's stories from her day at work
>send a cheeky snap to Smithster and Deano to see if they can come round for the champions league match later to watch it on the ol' Sony Bravia, maybe sneak in a few rounds of Fifa '17 on the PS4 first, bloody Smithster ignoring the rule of no tap-ins what a melt haha

>>12374117
There is no book that can capture the beauty of life in the UK.
Only videos can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOHY8ZyK0Aw

these threads make me wanna live in the uk. brit-threads are always far more vibrant than ours

t. german

>>12375679
>tfw iwll never understand bongs

>>12375679
pretty comfy desu

>>12375683
Holly fucking based

>>12375679
There's something so utopian but depressing about Deano life.

why the FUCK do brits make fun of regular lads who live beyond their means, they're victims of corporate propaganda

why do they allow the banker cunts to get away with it

>>12375733
>why do they allow the banker cunts to get away with it
because thats the british way of life
its no coincidence they are the european finance capital

>>12375674
This just proves you don't read the Guardian. Excluding Owen Jones and the occasional one-off columnist brought in to fabricate political diversity, the Guardian has been repeatedly critical of Corbyn.

Here is an account of the Guardian's coverage of the two days before the leadership election Corbyn won in 2015:
"On these two panic-stricken days alone, the Guardian website carried opinion pieces hostile to Corbyn from Anne Perkins, Suzanne Moore, Polly Toynbee, Tim Bale, Martin Kettle, Michael White, Anne Perkins (again), and Anne Perkins (yet again). There was not a single pro-Corbyn column."

The Guardian's opinion editors, Jonathan Freedland and Martin Kettle, both hate Corbyn. Just this week Freedland compared Corbyn to Trump and spoke postively of how the Democrats are "holding Trump to account" (lol). Go on the Guardian website on any given day and there will be at least two to three anti-Corbyn articles, plus the usual promotion of a second referendum, normally framed along the lines of "Labour's grassroots put pressure on Corbyn", something clearly designed to undermine his leadership of the party.

>>12375244
Blair called himself new labour precisely because he was abandoning labour policies.

>>12375733
same reason the US has subprimes even though they resulted in the biggest crash of the last 100 years.

>>12374117
you might like Ballard´s last novels, Millenium People and Kingdom Come

>>12375574
>We were fucked a little more gently from 1945 to 1979, wh
British nationalisation fucked them worse than the Germans tbph. It made Maggie Thatcher seem appealling, that's the scale of Not Good you're working on.

>>12374117
Why don't you?

TV show but I think Peep Show perfectly captures elements of it and I think Mark and Jeremy could perfectly be placed into any Houellebecq novel and their circumstances and situations would never change. Atomised is kind of like Peep Show I guess.

>>12375741
>Corbyn is mainstream UK labour
You're going to piss off the Communist Party boxstuffers and the Labour Party with that ignorance. The Guardian is considered typical of a New Labour voter, especially ABC1s.

>>12375587
Now that you've found your paradise
This is your kingdom to command
You can go outside and polish your car
Or sit by the fire in your shangri-la

>>12375795
its not so much about industrialization vs privatization as much as its about the shift of the economy towards austerity and finance and the total abandonment of industry and decline of government services in the uk

the only big EU economy that isnt in meltdown mode is germany, and that is because it retained its core industries, kept housing costs in check and retained most government services and never became an economy dominated by banks/insurance profits

>>12375795
maggie seemed appealing to the same history-oblivious plebs that voted for brexit

>>12375258
>>12375292
>>12375314

I reckon we'll head towards some sort of First Republic post-Brexit. There might be a vote on whether or not we should keep the Windsors or not but considering how apathetic people are towards them I can kind of see it happening.

>>12375826
>Beeching's axe was a wise response to the end of rationing and really preserved resources sustainably
>Oh yeah and forget that rationing happened please thnx
Literally what history of the UK are you looking at?

>>12375679

Deano houses are the new council tower blocks from the 80s and Deano is the new Chav. What I despise though is the false sense of class and sophistication these people are trying to have when ironically they hate the rich and those better than them with every fiber of their being.

>>12375836
>Forgets Maggie was in opposition during the 1975 ref and didn't fuck it up like this
I'm beginning to think nobody reads history books.

>>12375850
ive honestly got no idea what beeching has to do with what i said

>>12375691
There's something very comfy about being British, I can't quite describe why that is. I partly suspect that it's due to the British class system being so fucked that the great mass of people, excluded for the most part from having any influence on society other than voting every couple of years, have largely been allowed to form a culture of their own with no frills or pretensions. While this does lead to stuff like slag and deano culture, it also leads to the general sense of humour which is self-effacing, clued-in, brutally honest and pretty grim. We are a pretty sodden, crowded little island but the fact we've taken over a quarter of the world in the past (again due to carefully manipulated working class spergouts, IMO), we have since sat back and had a laugh with a been-there-done-that attitude that few other countries can really grasp.

>The New Hope for Britain was a 39-page booklet which called for unilateral nuclear disarmament; higher personal taxation for the rich; withdrawal from the European Economic Community; abolition of the House of Lords; and the re-nationalisation of recently privatised industries like British Telecom, British Aerospace, and the British Shipbuilders Corporation.

This was Labour partys program in 1983.
Brits voted against all of this and for Thatcher.
Now they got what they deserved.

>>12375885
It's the time period you picked. Your argument that it was a time without austerity is immediately voided by the rationing and dismantling of major infrastructures which marked the period and that's before we get to the housing point which is hilarious. That's the collapsing tower blocks era. I honestly think you should study the history of the UK government since 1945 to 1979 so you can understand how it relates to the retarded things you said. Beeching's cuts are slap in the middle of that and result from relaxing austerity. This is really fucking basic.

>>12375905
for me, the comfiness has to do with the fact that most british problems are still first world problems (its not like any UK citizen is starving), but they are being articulated - at least on this image board - with such larmoyant intensity, as if it were hell on earth

just look at the OP. thats someone posting from one of the richest and happiest countries in the world, and it sounds like he is venezuelan

of course, we germans have all of this too, but germans are well-aware how good they have it somewhere deep inside. britposters genuinely seem to believe in their own plight

>>12375865
>when ironically they hate the rich and those better than them with every fiber of their being.
this is the correct attitude to have when the rich and (((those better than you))) don't represent your interests or people

>>12375574
Why do you think I'm some middle-class bloke called 'tarquin'?

I've replied once already saying I'm from Tottenham m8, there's no middle class there. Dad born there, Mum born there. We're as working class as it gets.

I've worked at the JD warehouse in Rochdale when I moved about after Uni, minimum wage with people who could barely speak any English. You're talking complete shit.

I'm wasn't arsed about Brexit, the people voted. What I am arsed about though is no-deal which will fuck us over completely. People in the leave camp after the vote even said no-deal was an unlikely possibility and we could iron out a deal and that turned out to be complete bullshit.

As I said, I'm from Tottenham so I know first hand how quickly things go from ok to rioting, police doing nothing but form lines and watch as your local shops are broken into, looted then burnt. So yeah, I'd rather be prepared than to be caught out rather than talk complete shit and try and call people out on a Mongolian image board lel

Tl;Dr - get fucked cunt

How do you lads deal with the dread of it all? It honestly feels like short of a violent revolution nothing will snap us out of our sleep walk into oblivion. I find it all so paralyzing.

>>12374675
Seriously these books!
Lord Horror is based on a historical personage: Lord Haw-Haw, aka William Joyce, British fascist and radio announcer. Warping him from Haw-Haw to Horror, the novel views the rabble-rouser DJ through a glass darkly. It turns out to be a double negative — after Auschwitz, can you view a fascist any more darkly? — that catapults the narrative in the other direction, into exuberance, extravagance, and excess. (In the novel, Hitler's penis suffers from a gigantism that seems to epitomize the over-the-topness of the book itself.) Lord Horror takes the repository of symbols bequeathed by World War II and pours it into a cauldron boiling over with pop culture. Bigots and death camps get cooked up with rock and roll, comic strips, esoterica. It's a "what if the other side had won the war" trip like you've never seen before.

>>12375930
i never said it was a time without rationing, no government can operate without it

>>12375944
based. anon didn't deserve a real live telling-off from a genuine brit. (You)s are too good for him.

>>12375950
american here. on the mexican border, even. it's all loud truck exhausts and norteno music and people who don't speak english. i'm used to living in the apocalypse. we're already dead my man, just enjoy your life as best you can and study what you enjoy and will prepare you for the elevator to heaven.

>>12375140
See Lord Horror by David Britton. Not about Manchester exactly but Savoy books based out of Manchester. Lord Horror is amazing piece work

>>12375950
I've literally just accepted it. Races come and go. Who remembers the Scythians? Who cares about the Picts? White Brits have had their day, enjoyed their victories, and are now spending their final days either booming around on cruises with their second-wife, offing themselves if they're young, or 'avin a laff and having no kids while their local ethnic community gets smaller and smaller. There is no way out of this except by resorting to the kinds of purges probably never before seen in human history. Breeding rate statistics alone make it clear that within 100 years at the very most White Brits will be a minority on this island.

>>12375950
Prepare by having all the means necessary to get /comfy/ when shit does hit the fan.

>>12375940
>thats someone posting from one of the richest and happiest countries in the world
I think you are underestimating how hopeless and bleak provincial Britain is, Germany is not quite the same as you have multiple hub cities (thank you holy roman empire). Outside the middle class enclaves Britain is Latvia tier. If Northern Ireland or Scotland was independent, or if London became an independent city state like Singapore, it would be one of the poorest countries in the EU

>>12375988
>if Northern Ireland or Scotland was independent,
are they that much wealthier than the rest of the UK?

in latvia, the average wage is 800 euro or something, it cant be *that* bad

>>12375959
>>12375826
>e shift of the economy towards austerity
For Britain to shift more towards austerity in the post war period then rationing would have been in full force and getting more involved post war. What you're seeing as a shift towards austerity post 1979 is nothing of the sort, and the shift away from austerity was more damaging to industries in the 1945-79 period than the not very austere period after it. The reaction to moving away from rationing and austerity under the time you chose is to wreck the train system, the shipyards, stripmine parks for coal while shutting down coal pits, and many other things that only were corrected or stopped by austerity measures much later. The move away from austerity is not at all a good period for the UK.
That you think austerity was particularly harsh under Thatcher ignores that she was handed a country which had its major communications and industry already collapse under the nationalisation plans postwar. The previous moves away from austerity were in fact the cause of more destruction than the austerity that rounded it off, because there was no longer half the infrastructure to cut by the time you get into the Tory 80s.

>>12374117
>Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern. They were born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to work at twelve, they passed through a brief blossoming-period of beauty and sexual desire, they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty. Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films, football, beer and, above all, gambling, filled up the horizon of their minds.
>It was not desirable that the proles should have strong political feelings. All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism which could be appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working-hours. And even when they became discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere, because, being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances. The larger evils invariably escaped their notice.

What places do Deano and the lads like going on holiday?

>>12375381
>Tech jobs are some of the fastest growing jobs currently
Based codemonkey jobs which will eventually be taken up by Indians

>>12376014
>kebab house right next to the cathedral

Can someone please put the bongs out of there misery

>>12376018
Shagaluf, Ibiza, Costa del Crime, a cheeky weekend in Prague or Minsk, maybe Amsterdam if they're feeling a but cultural ("She's giving you the eye mate, get in there phoooar!").

>>12375998
I mean they are actually very poor, and if independent countries would have an economy about the same as Latvia. Being in the same country as London massively boosts the figures, like when people share a lift with Bill Gates everyone in the lift is on average a billionaire.
One of the things that cucked the Scotland independence vote was the slow realisation that without subsidy from London, Scotland would be a colder, wetter Macedonia.

>>12374117
Kalergi's book Practical Idealism

if brits are that poor and miserable, why is every tourist trap in europe full of them?

>>12375865
>they hate the rich and those better than them with every fiber of their being.
Deano doesn't hate the rich, he works in sales (or retail manager) and The Wolf of Wall Street is his favourite movie

>>12376043
Cheap flights, cheap hostels, and cheap prozzies.

>>12376043
The EU is largely responsible for tourist infrastructure, and affordable travel with Ryanair and such

>>12376069
how so

>>12376043
>>12376069

Blame Ryanair. You can get flights for like £10 from the UK to Ireland, Spain, Germany, etc. Good deals but you get the shittest tourists and people with them unfortunately.

>>12376075
>>12376069
ryanair is irish and will become more expensive after brexit

good riddance, i hated britplebs shitting up comfy spanish beaches

>>12375976
I know you're right but it's so fucking gut wrenching. All the blood spilt by our ancestors all the pain, struggle and torment endured by them so that the torch could remain lit and passed on. If they saw how it would all unceremoniously end they never would have bothered. Supposedly when Constantinople finally fell Constantine took off his royal clothing and joined his soldiers in one last death charge against the Ottoman forces. I think about that a lot.

>>12376048
>>12375942

Deano is no better than Chav but at least Chav knows his place in society while Deano wants to live a fake fantasy on social media where he's living a millionaire lifestyle and pretending to have class.

>>12375381
>Tech jobs are some of the fastest growing jobs currently.
aha, remember when thatcher did this the madlad
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-broadband-race-in-1990-1224784

>>12374117
these are issues only if you are white british cis male, fuck off racist


I guess you could try reading Tommy Robinson Enemy of the State, I have it but havent actually read it yet (I live in London)

>>12376081

I hate the type of tourists you're talking about who only just go there for cheap beer and sun and turn places into their own special ghettos full of the worst type of working class imaginable. I'm glad I voted Leave if it means Deano and his fucking obnoxious friends can't travel to those places anymore.

Why haven't the Brits implemented damnatio memoriae for Thatcher yet?

>>12376108
the very same people who voted for thatcher multiple times are still alive and still share ehr sentiments, that a proper economy should be about charging as much rent and interest from as many people as possible

theyre called boomers and they are the lpageu that has scorched our countries

>>12375195
This comment unironically reads very well , like an English taxi driver

>>12374421
>brown people doing anything bad as a group is a conspiracy theory
>but if they do anything bad as a group (ever), it's white people's fault
I hope everybody recognizes that this nasty creep is trying to cover up child rape

>>12376086
In the future all the deeds of your ancestors will be neatly summarized and defined by the colonial period. Future Islamic scholars, dictating the curriculum to mostly Muslim schoolchildren, will talk about the conquest of India, Africa as being definitive of Anglo-Saxon (Celts thrown in with them) culture and disposition. The life force of the White race is totally spent, except in places like the Baltic states which are essentially just Western countries twenty years in the past, which will themselves try to "modernize" by imitating the societal trends of Western nations (immigrants and all) in the hope they'll benefit financially. In New Zealand the capital off Auckland is already confirmed to become majority Asian in the next few decades. In Melbourne and Sydney the same thing is happening, and in Canada Toronto is already "majority visible minority" while Vancouver is confirmed to become majority Asian by 2030 at the latest (with Richmond already vastly majority Asian). Sweden is going the same way, despite massive controls on immigration after the 2015 / 2016 refugee influx, and Germany, Belgium etc won't be far behind. In Britain it was recently announced that Birmingham has joined London, Luton, Slough and Leicester in being "majority minority", and by 2021 it's pretty much certain that Manchester, Reading and Watford will join them. Look at the Gaelic language in Ireland and Scotland, and you'll see the future of White Britons, steadily retreating from the cities, and then eventually withdrawing to small isolated coastal, rural communities to live out their final days.

>>12375563
Go away Evan nobody wants in on this meme

>>12376086
>>12376145
Who and what is behind this replacement?

>>12376145
>and its beautiful

>>12374117
I read, in part, to escape this miserable culture. Why would you ever want to immerse yourself in it even more?

>>12374216
The Circle was atrocious. Captured sort of a conditioned personality, but was still quite awful.

>>12376122
Reminds me of the prologue to Atomised

>>12376145
>>12376086
>Future Islamic scholars, dictating the curriculum to mostly Muslim schoolchildren, will talk about the conquest of India, Africa as being definitive of Anglo-Saxon (Celts thrown in with them) culture and disposition.
There will be no such thing.
All the non-whites and whites have been indoctrinated into the same capitalist presupositions. Everyone is a neo-liberal, multicultural, consumer drone.

>>12375951
>this obscure broadcaster from the 40s represents the abject failure of our social policy from the end of WWII to today
>certainly not us enlightened liberals fascinated with the human crotch
>certainly not we decadent domesticated cattle who have controlled the course of the island for the past 80 years

>>12375615
isn’t this just about the media though?

>>12376145
>White race is totally spent, except in places like the Baltic states
Baltic states have their own problems, majority of people are alcoholic and uneducated, teachers will work as bus drivers or travel abroad to pick up cabbage because the salary of a teacher is an absolute pittance and simply not enough to even exist.

>>12376156
Capital and inertia.

I feel like Irvine Welsh is the closest thing we have to a Zola or Houellebecq.

>>12376145
>Celts
Kek you haven't met many have you?

>>12376179
Don't forget isolated from their community and family. Don't worry just consume more to be happy :)

>>12376156
The surrender of the Empire, then the turning of that Empire into a Commonwealth, which in turn allowed former subjects of the crown in the West Indies, Africa, India etc to be categorized as British pseudo-citizens, leading in turn to their abandoning their poverty-stricken, collapsing nations and catching the first boat to Britain. The SS Windrush was a quick-fix, short-term solution to the problem of post War employment shortages, which in turn allowed non-Britons to gain a foothold in the country and establish themselves as British citizens with as valid a claim as anyone to be here. Then due to natural / animal behaviour, ghettos formed, and due to a mixture of crime and genetic disposition certain groups drove the White Britons away from the surrounding areas, where relatives of the settled non-Brits, their many descendants, and new waves of immigrants settled, often in council homes which were subsequently purchased by larger immigrant families who had no problem sheltering three generations under the same room until their collective capital was sufficient to buy new properties and either live in them or rent them out. As for who is responsible, it's too complex a story to draw up a small list or blame certain groups. However just look up Barbara Roache if you want to know what Blair-era politicians in charge of immigration thought about the subject.

>>12376179
There's plenty of evidence to suggest second and third generation Muslims in the UK are even more religious than their parents.

>>12376201

>Balt states have their own problems

I'm curious about this more since I've got Latvian hertiage and I'd love to just fuck off from the UK and go and live a comfy literary lifestyle there but it sounds worse than here.

>>12376220
What do you mean?

>>12376240
So what?

>>12376246
P.s.
My personal anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. I've been around asians as I had an asian gf.

>>12376246
So thinking Deano and Mohammed are going to be just as enthralled by consumerism is wrong, because while Deano is at 5-a-side and his girlfrielnd's at home nursing the furbabies, Mohammed's o his way back from noncing to impregnate his cousin again.

>>12376256
Stop living your entire life online you delusional loser.

>>12376256
>Mohammed's o his way back from noncing to impregnate his cousin again.
Based Mohammed is living the dream as much as deano

>>12376242
Even if countries like Latvia are able to remain independent and ethnically homogeneous they will in time just become the playgrounds of the huge multicultural neo liberal super nations and nihilistic Russian mafia politic.

>>12376281
russia is as neoliberal, multicultural and dying out as it gets as well, its population is declining as we speak

>>12376107
That will certainly be the case and you can hurt the richer second-home class who have places in Spain, Portugal, etc.

Sorry but strict Muslim culture is actually preferable to 21st century British culture - neoliberal, multicultural, atheist, consumer, whatever you want to call it.

>>12376081
The Europeans will lost some tourist money but I think it will help the clear up the shittiness and affordability of places like Barcelona. Overall a win for both sides

>>12376311
most places who are ruled by islam are hellholes and the places that arent are islamic in name only

>>12376154
I'm just an MFA student who genuinely likes his work.

So many scared and delusional little /pol/tards. America is basically below 50% European now and it has never been as rich or powerful as it is now.

>>12376242
> comfy literary lifestyle
nope, if you can keep your UK salary in Latvia, you will be living like a rich man among poor. That may or may not be comfy, depends how you see it. But you will be alone and people will only pay attention to you to take your money. If you expect to work there and earn a living in other words Latvian wages, you will not have even time to read a book because all your time will be spent working to buy food and pay bills. There are a million social problems as well.

>>12375140
jesus christ

>>12376332
>powerful as it is now
Fairly certain they were more powerful when they were the only country in the world to have nukes and European countries were bankrupt shit holes

>>12376346
Pretty sure they weren't as right now the whole world depends on the u.s. look how shit scared China is over a few tariffs.

>>12376332
its almost as if richness (as in: richness of the stock owning 1%) and power dont equate quality of life

i dont care much about immigration, but your argument is beyond retarded

>>12376343

>Social problems
I'm interested in hearing about this? I heard the mafia issue was pretty bad there but what about social class issues? That's still a thing here in the UK but we're not as obvious about it now as we were centuries ago, we just price people we don't like out of where they can't go and what they can't buy.

>>12376332
the fact trump got elected shows there is massive discontent amongst whites

>>12376360
Quality of life is much better now too.

>>12376364
Lots of blacks and hispanics voted for drumpf. Blacks made several rap songs about trump. They love him.

>>12376343
>earn a living in other words Latvian wages, you will not have even time to read a book because all your time will be spent working to buy food and pay bills

you got what you deserve for leaving the soviet union and believing you could compete with germany and the likes in a market economy

At this point all I long for is to be part of a group that commits a stupifying act of poetic self destruction in a prominant location. If not I'll accept death by opioid overdose sometime in my early 30s.

>>12376343
Depends. My auntie lives in Lithuania and makes about 3k euros a month as a senior accountant in a big Swedish company.
Baltics are pretty shitty, but it's relative. Look at the Baltics in the early 90s, several times worse. There have been great improvements since then.

>>12376389
Also for the GCHQ agent monitoring my ip now I'm talking monk-like suicide not Islamic terrorism you cunt.

>>12374117
>cornershops
There's a word for a shop that happens to be on a street corner?

>>12376418
Yes. The phrase is "paki-shop".

>>12376389
>>12376414
go see a doctor you virgin freak

>>12376332
America is a shithole and more unnaffordable than ever

>>12376434
For the opioids??

this has been fantastic, we need a new thread lads

>>12376442
And that's not because it's less white

>>12376455
for the depression before some cult movement exploits you and puts you on HRT or turns you into a skin head

>>12376473
>for the depression before some cult movement exploits you and puts you on HRT or turns you into a skin head
haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ZjplLullc

>>12376497
>>12376497
>>12376497

>>12376361
There are lot of russians, the 'uncultured' type of russians, then low wages, high prices, alcoholism, drugs, western consumer culture, inequality, you name it, the high economic growth literally mirrors social decline. Again if you are western consumerist you might not mind it at all even like it.

>>12376473
Nah I'm not that gullible buddy. It's just Mishima like desire for a dramatic death without any real ideology behind it. Just narcissism I guess.

BASED janny

Why was the /britlit/ thread deleted?

>>12376598
too obvious attempt to make a topic-free chat for brits, which is what /int/ is for

Have any of you neo-Christians tried to take my dude Kierkeegard's leap-of-faith back into Christianity?
How many layers of truth are you on, /lit/? And can you ignore it?

Deano is more pernicious than the Chav. The Chav was defined by its fundamentally anti-social disposition and unwillingness to embrace and come to terms with a modern society where it had no place following mass de-industrialization and the collapse of provincial towns due to London-centric government policy. Deano, however, is very much an apologist for the neoliberal wasteland he finds himself in, having scraped his way to a managerial position at Bazza's Windows LPC or a team leader at the local PPI claims call centre. Ask Chav to join your revolution, and he will march under the banner of St George, as we saw with the English Defence League movement. But ask Deano to storm the bastille and he will take your picture on his iPhone and snapchat the "Magaluf Lads Tour 2019" group with a caption suggesting you are a cringeworthy nonce for knocking on the door of his deanobox. The Chav throws eggs at David Cameron if he visits the local community centre he's helped defund, Deano will take a selfie with Sadiq Khan and think himself a success if he gets over 14 retweets for the picture. The Chav has access to a deep store of resentment which could be unleashed, under the right circumstances, in nationwide revolt. Deano has a range of consumer tech goods which all, in their own way, contribute to his domestication and childlike sense of contentment.

I'm wondering from a sociology point of view what will happen to Britain and Deanos-post Brexit. Deanos are kind of the end result of what happened to Chavs so I'm guessing what will eventually replace Deanos and their subculture. Interesting to think about. What I find interesting is that both groups want to live in 07-08 again.

>>12376620
its our natural urge to colonise

I could write you a story about my life as a middle-class 20-something wageslave who's posted on 4chan for 9 years and has had sex with two people.

Would that interest you?

>>12376628
We're already seeing black "culture" become mainstream, so it'll just be more of that. Expect articles in The Guardian saying shit like "actually, there's no such thing as black culture, since the culture itself is very diverse". British-Jamaican culture, British-Ghanaian culture will all be pushed into the spotlight and celebrated by the same old types, and then there'll be the success stories of British Muslims (who are the poorest ethnic demographic) becoming middle class, and their resultant cultural shift from poor, fresh-off-the-boats, peripheral outcasts into middle-class shining examples of Britishness.

>>12376624
>Deano is more pernicious than the Chav.
But which one is more capable of critical thinking?

>>12376652
>and has had sex with two people
you lost me there

>>12376598
Because you're a faggot you got plenty of answers already stop trying to create another garbage general with no topic

>>12376677
What if I told you that one of them was a guy

>>12376671
Neither. But you don't have to be to be useful.

>>12376687
ok, try it

>>12376652
>i could brag about my insignificant middle class libcuck psuedo-socialist life to you guys would you like that?
I'd rather have teeth pulled

>>12376145
It's going to be an interesting moment once whites are extinct yet thousands of movies, photos, comics, art pieces and such will prevail to prove they once existed. It'll be a unique situation in human history.

>>12376498
I'm guessing he falls in love with a black and sees the error of his ways, British television is straight up propaganda.

>>12376698
> libcuck psuedo-socialist

Actually I've voted UKIP in the last two elections, it is insignificant though

>>12376687
you angered god there

>>12376700
Whites are not going to go extinct, idiot.

>>12374638
Poast em

>>12376700
Like fuck will civilisation be around for another millennium lol

i just luv<3 the way regular british residential buildings look at time, untouched by modernism, they are so unaplogetically gothic and washed out

>>12375140
And thats a good thing

>>12376717
>implying if something continues to decline with no recovery in sight it doesn't die
Unless this is some "hahah, but what even IS 'white'?" post, in which case fuck off.

And no, mutts don't count.

>>12376717
Allow me to correct my assertion; when whites are tiny minorities barely seen yet all media from the 20th and early 21th century had them as the numerically dominant race in their countries.

>>12376717
how so?

>>12376700
>>12376770
no one will care much
just like greek culture used to dominate europe, while it is a bankrupt backwater now

>>12376770
>media can't be destroyed, or changed
Why do you think there's so many non-white characters in movies and shows that where historically 100% European countries?

>>12376765
>>12376771
I have to agree with him; making an entire race of several millions go extinct is pretty hard; their numbers will be greatly reduced, but a complete extinction is unlikely unless an ethnic cleansing is actively pursued or some natural disaster occurs.

>>12376730
They ain't regular homes mate, they're considered mansions here.

>>12376765
>>12376770
>>12376771
Look at America now. That's the future.
A muttified society with some pure strains running around, but the overal culture/ideology will be the same. Whites are not going to go extinct or lose power.
Look at Brazil or Chile as examples. Almost all entirely muttified, but still ruled over by a tiny white elite.

>>12376788
>but a complete extinction is unlikely unless an ethnic cleansing is actively pursued
Why wouldn't it be considering how much hatred there is among non-Whites for Whites?

Also being a tiny minority of a nation with no place you're a majority is just extinction in slow motion.

>>12376810
Why hasn't it happened in Brazil, Chile, and Argentina, then? /pol/tards are utterly delusional.

>>12376825
South Africa is a better example for the time frame

>>12376825
What about Rhodesia in the past and South Africa currently?

>>12376804
>you'll be 1% of a population with no cultural control, but you'll be "in charge"
Woah, what an awesome future to look forward to!

If you want a vision of Britain in the future, image Rotherham nationwide, with every political leader being a Muslim.

>>12376785
imagine being this apathetic

>>12375135
>american
>culture

>>12376852
Better apathy than care about something that you're losing. You avoid all the hearache, and can say "modern britain is great because of the wide range of ethnic restaurants.

>>12376730
>Subdivided into a dozen flats so rentberg can get more money

>>12376850
>If you want a vision of Britain in the future, image Rotherham nationwide, with every political leader being a Muslim.
Is this chart in need of an update?

>>12376852
no one is preventing you from learning about greek culture today, even learning the greek language. you dont have to be conquered by greece to do this

>>12376864
Thats terrible anon.

>>12376884
Because I was talking about the general treatment towards whites, which is why I paired it with a comment about South Africa.

>>12376864
who willingly would eat british "food"?

>>12376844
>>12376850
Terrible example. Africa was stratified by racism for decades, policies of integration were not pursued, they were actively fought against. Meanwhile in south America, just like in north america and europe, integration has been of central focus.
South Africa and Rhodesia are less developed socially, culturally, and economically compared to south America and the west, the policies there are the exact opposite of what we have. So its no wonder they are decades, if not centuries, behind. God /pol/tards are fucking delusional.

>>12376891
It's what they're like. Losing demographic majority? "I don't care about race." Now there's no need to worry about the disenfranchisement of my group, in fact, I don't even see groups haha.

>>12376850
>If you want a vision of Britain in the future, image Rotherham nationwide, with every political leader being a Muslim.
Never going to happen.
Utterly delusional m8.

>>12376902
>its only racism when its against blacks

>>12376902
Wow, I guess the hostile minorities in Europe will stop being hostile when they're majorities because of some policies a few decades years ago. And you call me delusional?

>>12376912
I hope that soon someone comes along who can light a fire under peoples asses and make them care about potentially losing everything our thousands of generations of ancestors built for us over some exotic take-out and appearing non-racist

>>12376913
I know. It'll happen in Rotherham, Bradford, Bristol, Telford, Oxford, and more and more places as time goes on, but it wont be nationwide. That's just silly!

>>12376902
>still using racism as an argument for anything

>>12376924
if non-whites were actually "hostile" you would be dead long, long ago anon

>>12376934
>I know there's grooming gangs and terrorism, and its getting worse as they become more numerous and gain political control, but if it was really happening you'd be dead.

That makes no sense.

>>12376924
>all minorites are hostile bro!!!
Deluded loser that sits online all day fearmongering.
>>12376932
Is this a sexual fantasy of yours? Does it get you off to believe rhis delusional nonsense? 50 years will go by and you'll have wasted your life and achieved nothing, while your delusions will never come to fruition. That's the reality for /pol/tards in the future. Wasting the best years of your life on nonsense.
>>12376933
>actively making blacks second class citizens isn't going to make them buttmad when they get power, bro!
Deluded.

>>12376934
Thankfully we have laws in our countries due to us being civilised

>>12376931
ancestors had vastly different traditions

both marx and adam smith, are both robespierre and ludwig xvi are part of "european culture"

even today, we have political parties with completely opposing views, all referencing to a sort of european ideology

>>12376946
if your delusions were real, you would be dead long ago, anon

>>12376955
>>actively making blacks second class citizens isn't going to make them buttmad when they get power, bro!
Which one is it then, will minorities oppress whites when they're the majority or won't they?

>>12376946
>everyone is part of a grooming or is a terrorist bro!
Deluded.
Most pimps and owners of prostitutes in white countries are white men. That's the reality of it.

>>12376957
Yeah its called the french revolution and it fucked everything up

>>12376975
Are minorities oppressing whites in Brazil and the USA?

>>12376955
>>all minorites are hostile bro!!!
Not even what I said.
>Is this a sexual fantasy of yours?
Cool deflection. Also see: >>12374454

>>12376975
>its okay to kill people because a few of their forefathers did some bad stuff

>>12376981
"when they're the majority"
Why did you obviate that part of my post?

>>12376979
so you agree that parts of white culture deserve to be abandoned

Lads we need a new thread ffs.

>>12376985
That's pretty unrelated to what I said. I asked why he says that minorities won't oppress the current majority once they've switched placed even though he has affirmed that they will out of revenge.

>>12376995
french jannies deleted it

>>12376971
Me hating you doesn't make you drop dead by virtue of hate.
>>12376974
>>everyone is part of a grooming or is a terrorist bro!
Not even what I said. Not everyone in a group needs to do this. That's the point of vanguards that push group interests. They're outliers, but they're defended by the group because they ultimately serve it. It's why you have terrorists on the run living openly on ghettos with no one turning them in.

>>12376985
they didn't even do bad stuff, they acted like all humans do but he is buttmad because Europeans were very successful at human nature

>>12376991
Is that what you're arguing? I wouldnt call anything in the past 300 years "white culture", all its been is tearing down culture one bit at a time. European culture stretches back far further than some subversive fags from the 18th and 19th centuries.

>>12376804
>Look at Brazil or Chile as examples. Almost all entirely muttified, but still ruled over by a tiny white elite.
dont confuse ruling class with white people. White ruling class will not hesitate to push regular whites aka 99.9% of white population into extinction if that will give even more power.

Thoughts?

>>12377057
ah, okay, so you get to pick now which parts of european culture are "trve"

>its yet another autistic /pol/cels ruin a good thread episode

>>12377087
>ugh why are people talking about aspects of modern britain in a thread about modern britain?

>>12377079
If a small group subvert a thousand year old tradition it doesnt make their subversion more culturally important than the thousand year old tradition.
Throughout all the ages there has been a certain continuum of european culture even as it changed politically and religiously. Only in recent history have we started to actively destroy that in favor of something alien. Therefore I dont consider it european. Capitalism is not european tradition, neither is marxian socialism, they are destructive to european culture

Do we only hate this culture because we can't take part in it or are we seeing the writing on the wall and society going down the drain much faster than Deanos are? I get the feeling that because Deanos are thriving in an enviroment like this they have completely blanked out all the negativity and social corruption that we're eventually heading towards.

>>12377099
good thing you felt addressed

>>12377057
I dunno anon the Dutch were doing pretty well in the 18th c at expanding their culture

>>12377107
before protestantism there was catholicism and before that roman paganism and before that greek paganism

which one should we be following now and why

>>12376990
Didn't obviate anything moron. Minorities ARE THE MAJORITY in the u.s. and brazil.

>>12377131
Read my post again
"Throughout the ages there has been a certain continuum of european culture even as it changed politically and religiously"
European religion is still "pagan" in its own way, christian and otherwise

>>12377118
Deanos tend to be the sons of boomers who took the white flight option, and therefore see little multiculturalism in their Essex suburbs or their Scunthorpe newbuild estates. There aren't necessarily all that many of them, they are just the upper crust of a working class who are scrambling over one another for the few managerial positions available in the new retail & call centre landscape, hence the Wolf of Wall Street earlier on; they don't give a fuck about British society really, as long as Chaz, the furbabies and Norf FC are alright. There could be an England squad full of N'gubus and he wouldn't give a fuck, as long as he can sip on a cold one on the artificial grass of his 3x3 meter backgarden while the wifey sits indoors fingering herself over amateur cuckold porn videos.

>>12377144
>Minorities ARE THE MAJORITY
You know you're on a literature board?

>>12377071
would rather just go cottaging in public toilets desu

>>12377152

>Furrbabies
I hate it when people give dogs or animals human names

>>12375679
Interested in the deano meme and where it originated. First saw it on /r9k/ britfeels thread but wanted to find out where it all began

>>12377560
/brit/ on /int/

>>12375679

Holy shit Deano's face is the same colour as his house.

>>12374277
>although his hatred of the working class irks me somewhat
He's completely justified, have you even been in a working class pub?
Pearls before swine is an understatement.
Daytime drama TV is art to these people.