/lit/ - Literature

>>12355931

>>12355934

>>12355938

>>12355945

>>12355951

>cure your homosexuality by letting Jesus come inside you

>>12355977
if you put it that way, you got my attention

Sexuality is something you do rather than something you are, and is largely cultural, but Christfag shit like this hinders rather than helps that message.

>>12355956
>iceberg metaphor
fuck this gay shit nigga

>>12355992
congrats on taking first year anthro

>>12355931
Based and deprogrammingpilled

>>12355931
they were in DSM as mental illness but as you guessed they stormed APA meetings and threw hissy fits and disrupted
APA took them out of DSM only because they were “recalcitrant” to treatment, not because they aren’t a mental illness

I don't see why some people are so repulsed by the idea of curing gay people, even going to so far as using the government to ban any attempts at finding a cure. By definition homosexuality is a disorder which will disrupt peoples lives and prevent them from living typically. If a reliable cure could be found it would benefit a lot of people.

>>12355992
>Sexuality is something you do rather than something you are
Christians are pretty much the only people saying this anymore. Everyone has fully condensed the person and the person's actions into a singular object, meaning that any criticism of action is a criticism of person, thus the response of "bigotry." The distinction of person and action is almost incomprehensible to them. Just trying to get them to acknowledge it is like banging your head against a brick wall.

>>12356231
this is embarrassing

>>12356231
Dude women are fucking insane, and they're the most hateful, vindictive, envious beings on earth; would you really want me to be attracted to the objectively worst gender?

>>12356257
>Everyone has fully condensed the person and the person's actions into a singular object
Existentialism was a mistake. I don't understand how they reconcile the historical record of ancient Greece and Rome, medieval Persia and Turkey, the evidence from prisons and Saudi Arabia etc, with the belief that 'we were born this way and can't help it'. I get maybe they had to take that approach at first to get it accepted, but why has the narrative stuck when every 'gay' person (and a lot of 'straight' people) deep down knows its bullshit?

>>12356257
black person is black
vs.
married with children women who turn 50 and turn lesbian
and gay men who are fathers and divorced (from women)

>>12356274
Fag

>>12356278
I think this also may have something to do with the "destroy at all costs" politics that you see, where racists, etc. have to be hunted down and fired from their jobs, have their lives destroyed. The person and the action are one and the same thing, thus the person's identity, his being, is the "racist." He cannot be redeemed, he cannot be forgiven, because racism is what he is as a human. It's the same concept as what they apply to homosexuality.

>>12356323
Yeah I know

>>12356323
And prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation, and the culture at large is full of narratives about growing and healing and being a better you
I suppose its madness to look for consistency

>>12355992
>>12356257
Check out The Foundation for Exploration

Especially in this particular case, I strongly suspect that OP is a faggot

>>12355931
Only a faggot would write a book about not being a faggot

>>12356271
Why is that?

>>12356231
>by definition homosexuality is a disorder
by which definition are you referring to?

>>12356683
God's. Source: The Bible.

>>12356683
According to the Merriam-Webster a disorder is something which "disturbs the order of" or which "disturbs the regular or normal functions of." Both are relevant. Homosexuality prevents a person from living a normal life and having children and the culture surrounding the homosexual lifestyle encourages risky behavior like drug use or anonymous sex.

>>12356632

sometimes i wish i weren't gay desu

more often than not

>>12356274
lmao this absolutely!

>>12355931
>>12355934
>>12355956
>be kinda gay
>this is kind of true
I never went through isolation from other males and haven't had sex with a guy before though.

I just dress like a girl and flirt with straight guys on tinder. If god wanted me to be more hetero why would he give me a girly body like this?

>>12356274
Vaginas are also disgusting.

>>12355931
>>12355934
>self help
Just pray the gay away lmao

>>12357013
Cute.

>>12357013
L O N D O N
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>>12357013
Lmao dude just like kys yourself bro
Legit just turn 360 degrees and jump out a window

>>12357013
>>be kinda gay
You're either gay or you aren't.

>>12356719
>the culture surrounding the homosexual lifestyle encourages risky behavior like drug use or anonymous sex
So does the heterosexual lifestyle nowadays.

>>12356689
Not credible enough

>>12357145
Yes but for homosexuals it's more pronounced.

>>12355931
Most of what this book is describing applies to bisexuals, not homosexuals. Bisexuals can be influenced by psychological and environmental factors that make them attracted to men, like an absent father figure or social isolation. True homosexuals cannot, as soon as they hit puberty they feel no attraction towards females. This book is best targeted to turn bisexuals into repressed exclusive heterosexuals. However, doing so is more detrimental to mental health than bisexuality itself. Bisexual individuals can exhibit neurotic behaviour but also increased creativity and compassion, and they will more often than not go on to marry a woman and have children later in life. A more important societal change, rather than forcing bisexuals to be heterosexual, would be to acknowledge the larger demographic of bisexuality and make people realise that sexuality is not a binary. Binary sexuality stigma forces some bisexual men into posing as entirely gay, which is just as harmful as posing as entirely straight. The L and G section of the LGBT community is partly at fault for this, for attempting to define themselves as a group and bring about faster gay rights action, they haven't acknowledged the B section of the group, despite this being the largest demographically. I have no doubt that entirely gay individuals exist, these tend to be the ones who find out at very young ages and show little/no interest in solo female straight porn (or solo male for lesbians), and they tend to act stereotypically or recognisably gay. Trying to change these people's sexuality is pointless, whether they're happy being gay or not.

>>12357141
>You're either gay or you aren't.
Nonsense. Sexuality is not only not a binary thing, it's not even a thing at all. You make choices, perform actions, but you don't have a soul or an essence.

>>12357163
>muh authentic gays
I've had sex with a lot of people, male and female, who prove your thesis incorrect

>>12357176
degenerate

>>12357176
My thesis was that there are far more bisexuals than exclusive gays...

The more people identify closely with their sexual expression, the harder it will be for someone like >>12355992 to talk them out of it. Every argument necessarily turns into a personal attack, and every person risks losing "themselves" when refuted.

This is the long shadow of the sexual revolution, and it has caused a lot of harm to a lot of (typically underprivileged) people who have come to realize that identifying themselves with an unhealthy, dangerous, and ultimately toxic sexuality has worsened their living situation rather than bettering it. They have discovered that the freedom to do anything has made them into slaves.

>>12357163
Good post. Bisexuals make everyone fucking seethe for some reason, probably since most of them are hard to categorically define into a binary choice. People start going crazy when someone likes both (not always 50/50) and start trying to use food analogies.

>>12357216
what a load of shit

>>12356257
and this is why christianity is now progressive, not in the lefty sjw sense, but in the moving humanity forward from an impasse sense, really christianity was always a progressive light to the world since its inception

>>12356632
probably true

>>12357163
this

>>12357216
What self righteous retard wrote this? God I hate self help books like nothing else

>>12357290
self-help books always insist that the world doesn't owe anything and then proceed to make grandiose promises themselves.

>>12357269
lmao

>>12356719
>Homosexuality prevents a person from living a normal life
not true, if anything its the judgement and disgust of others that prevents them from living "normally"

>having children
I'm straight and I don't want children, am I incapable of living a "normal" life?

>the culture surrounding the homosexual lifestyle encourages risky behavior
its not as if that harm is going to extend to heterosex couples, is it? if they wanna die in a chem sex orgy then more power to them desu

>>12357337
>I'm straight and I don't want children, am I incapable of living a "normal" life?

yes, and when you're an old post-wall cat lady you will see why but it will be too late

>>12356719
wtf is a normal life?

Why would you force faggots to live a straight life? Do you really want them to have families and raise children? It's better to allow them enough freedom so they don't have to conceal their inclination but restrict the freedom to express these to a confined subculture. What we have today is queerfaggotry replacing Western Leitkultur .

During their training, Spartan warriors were gifted a junior male warrior as a slave/ companion. All the sexual explorations and cravings were fulfilled with this slave.

This book is stupid. Why wouldn't we wanna be like Spartans?

>>12357337
What the hell are you quoting individual or half sentences for? Try writing like you've been to high school. Society doesn't prevent gay couples from having children and raising them, it's a biological impossibility. You're not incapable of living a typical or normal life just because you make a decision not to. Gay people don't get to make that decision. They can't commit to somebody of the opposite sex the way they would if they were normal.

We do not live in a vacuum. Our actions affect others even when the impact is readily apparent. Drug use and risky sexual behavior impact society in many ways but visible cost is in terms of healthcare. Doctors and hospitals that spend time and other resources treating STD's and drug overdoses could be better spent dealing with other problems.

>>12357347
Normal is defined as the typical or most common way of life. Meeting somebody and raising a family.

>>12357380
the spartans died off due to low birth rate, that's why (also they never produced any art or literature of value, but that is another issue)

>>12357337
What the hell are you quoting individual or half sentences for? Try writing like you've been to high school. Society doesn't prevent gay couples from having children and raising them, it's a biological impossibility. You're not incapable of living a typical or normal life just because you make a decision not to. Gay people don't get to make that decision. They can't commit to somebody of the opposite sex the way they would if they were normal.

We do not live in a vacuum. Our actions affect others even when the impact isn't readily apparent. Drug use and risky sexual behavior impact society in many ways but the most visible cost is in terms of healthcare. Doctors and hospitals that spend time and other resources treating STD's and drug overdoses could be better spent dealing with other problems.

>>12357347
Normal is defined as the typical or most common way of life. Meeting somebody and raising a family.

>>12356776
You are ok, my faggot friend.

>>12357384
>They can't commit to somebody of the opposite sex the way they would if they were normal.

Then how do fags like jim mcgreevy get married and live normal lives until they come out of the closet as "exclusive homosexuals"

norm mcdonald had a good skit about this on some radio show where he was like "are gay people straight? cuz if it was the other way around and i had to pretend to be gay and get fucked in the ass every night i wouldn't be able to do it, but gay guys get married and fuck their wife every night"

>>12357413
I don't believe gays who do that are happy with their situation nor do I think they're really committed to their wife. Even if they were genuinely happy and committed they still have that disorder which has to be overcome.

>4channel now encourages normie life

Sad!

>>12357435
An impressive twist.

>>12357393
They made poor strategic decisions, were joined at the hip to their subjugation of Messenia, and had a toxic and entrenched political establishment. It had nothing to do with homosex. They lasted 100 years, a mere flash in the pan, yet the 2K+ years later the Lacedemonians retain an almost godlike status in the West.

So, what's the evidence for and against faggots being born that way?

>just beleib in gawd big dummy
>rational approach
ok buddy

yet another thread that makes me avoid /lit/

Moot and Hiro were right
/lit/ was a mistake

>>12357457
papa jf made a whole episode about fags and genes

>>12357457
Genome has been 100% twice already
No gay gene exists
evidence for is you will be doxxed if you oppose these titty slappers and it’s just not worth it

>>12357479
You know where you can go back to

>>12357457
Evidence against: everything we know about different cultures. In Medieval Central Asia it was absolutely expected that while a rich powerful man would have wives to continue his line, his sexual and romantic activities would be directed towards boys. He would be laughed at if he fell in love with a woman, but writing love poetry and swooning over an attractive youth, and pounding boi-pussi was evidence he was a man of taste and distinction. Ancient Greece was similar. In modern Saudi Arabia most young unmarried men have buttsex with each other. They can't all be 'born that way' (and miraculously stop being born that way as culture changes over time)

>>12357500
*Genome has been mapped twice already

>>12355931

Yall need to learn about the concept of over-determination. I need to educate every last ignoramus populating this thread.
Sexuality exists on a spectrum and it develops through a combination of genes, the hormonal conditions in the mother's womb (epigenetics) and the culture and environment (which to the brain are all the same; impinging stimuli signals).
Some people get a double dose of the gay, some get only a little, some get none, depending on how all these factors stack up and interrelate.
Sexuality is also more plastic during puberty, the brain is still in a volatile developmental state, and depending on what kind of stimuli it receives you can develop bisexual traits.
The brain is also modular and depending on genetics and how hormonal or environmental factors impact gene expression and brain development some parts can develop in a manner sterotypical of various genders.

Gay men have parts of their brain more reminiscent of neurotypical straight women, but they also have hypermasculine traits as well. (Bigger dicks on average too.) It's not an even black or white generalization as you knuckle-draggers are so fixated on attributing.

>>12355931
There's much better works on social constructivism that take an anti-genetic position than random Christian propaganda from the 1980s.

>>12356257
No, it's a much broader stance. Christians are promoting a certain metaphysical position and claiming homosexuality is immoral and homosexual acts are inherently problematic.

>>12357395
Sure, from governmental studies you can claim sexuality, drug use and other potiently dangerous activities like riding a bike without a helmet should be regulated for society. If you really want to prevent people from enjoying gay sex (which you know anyone can) than voluntary self-control won't be enough.

I think that some “gay” men really just suffer from a sex addiction or something that can be cured.
But a prancing makeup wearing homosexual...just leave them be as long as they stay away from children

>>12357590
>t. scientificist

>>12357603
>Cuckault

>>12357603
I don't think the government should regulate sexuality. I'm arguing that people should be allowed to pursue a cure from being gay and I don't see why people have such a problem with this other than the obvious instances where some people are forcibly converted. I think if we could create a pill which turned gay men straight without any serious side effects we would be helping a lot of people out.

>>12357648
How do you "cure" an act? If you believe everyone is really secretly bisexual and can just choose their sexual acts freely then there's really no problem already except for third parties who want to control others. Who would you be "helping" with these pills? Single women without husbands?

>>12357603
Fixed that for you bro

>>12357664
Homosexuality should be treated as any other disorder. If you're dealing with a schizophrenic you might give them lithium or whatever which enables them to avoid some of the disruptive behavior that schizophrenics usually exhibit before any treatment. With homosexuality we could theoretically discover some of therapy or drug which enables them to live a normal and healthy life without any disordered inclinations.

I don't know where you're getting this bisexual stuff. I haven't said anything about it so maybe you're confusing me with somebody else? When I say gay men I'm talking about men who for whatever reason are attracted to other men to the point where it renders them incapable of living a normal life.

>>12356231
>by definition
Ah, it seems you've been reading the DSM's pre-1973. Try checking the ones after that, we're presently in 2019 and you should be a bit more up to date with your definitions.

>>12356632
Sadly, it does sound like a massive, extended COPE on the author's part. He likely continued to struggle with his nature for the rest of his life.

>>12357784
I don't what any version of the DSM has to say. I'm using the common dictionary definition of disorder.

>>12356776
Nah, you're based dude. No matter what you think of yourself, or society makes you think of you.

>>12357784
>DSM's pre-1973
That's the patrcian's edition.

>>12357723
Most disorders aren't treated. People diagnosed tend to actively resist any cure or can't afford them even if they wanted it. The first issue is then to actually socialize medical care but the issue is for you it seems homosexuality isn't even recognized as a disorder today by the medical establishment.
Do you believe sexuality to be genetic? People choose to engage in homosexual acts, if you think they can also choose to stop and do the opposite and engage in heterosexual acts at any time then people must be bisexual by nature. If you're waiting for a medical "cure" to make people hyper heterosexual it will probably come as fast as a cure for cancer. Most people against homosexual acts see it as an issue of sin not primarily a medical issue.

>>12357838
If homosexuality is genetic, the best possible cure would probably be chemical or medicinal. If it's purely a choice, therapy is probably the best method of curing it. Either way this is beside the point because I'm arguing that people should be allowed to pursue a cure, in whatever form that may come. There are actually laws in some places which either ban conversion therapy or restrict it very heavily and I think people should be allowed to freely make the choice to engage in those things for whatever reason they choose. Universities and pharmaceutical companies should also be allowed to pursue chemical solutions.

It doesn't matter to me homosexuality is recognized as a disorder by the medical community and this stuff about socialized medicine is nonsense. I don't know why you're bringing it up.

I'm just old enough to have graduated school before the brainwashing really kicked in. I swear, most everyone younger than me absolutely worships gay people and they get irrationally angry when they see somebody insult them. It's so bizarre.

Sometimes it's like they start hallucinating as soon as criticize gays. I've had a few conversations where I would say something innocuous like "I hope my son isn't gay" or "I would rather not have a gay guy babysit my kids" and they would turn around and seriously accuse me of wanting to put gays in death camps.

>>12357893
Getting you to put forth as much of your opinions does matter because it helps better explicate you're some sort of libertarian interested in anti-gay anal suppositories that'll only be primarily available to the wealthy. You must know that "cures" for homosexuality aren't the only thing that'll get you thrown behind bars today, what do you think they got Wilhelm Reich on? I'm not saying that allowing anyone to freely claim and do whatever they want in the field of medicine without any medical establishment getting in their way is a good or bad idea but medicalizing and providing "cures" for all forms of what's considered criminal or abnormal behaviour seems more likely to just result in a lot of disappointment... and ya if it's "genetic" or "social" does matter because it's contentious and it's a lot cheaper to just change social understandings than find genetic cures which end up a gigantic waste of resources that could be put to better use.

>>12358255
This is the most retarded thing I've seen today.

>>12358239
The worst part about this homo worship is that you can say something functionally equivalent to "I hope my son isn't gay" such as "I want my son to grow up to be a good father" and nobody bats an eye. People have been conditioned to elicit a disgust response to any negative mention of homosexuality, even if it's not necessarily a critique of homosexuality.

>>12358300
You can still be a father and be gay anon

One if a fundamental attack on someone's identity that they have no control over, while another is encouraging proper moral and character development. Something that's necessary for a healthy society, while the hate only destroys and builds nothing.

>>12358657
>You can still be a father and be gay anon
No, fuck off.

>>12357784
It was only changed due to lobbying and violent disruptive activist action.
If You think You can make a disorder not be so anymore by picketing, You're delusional yourself.

>>12355956
That iceberg is very relatable.

>>12358657
>someone's identity that they have no control over

>>12357216
>male or female
>which you can change

>>12358700
http://www.enlightenment1998.com/psychiatry/psychiatry_pl.pdf

>>12357103
(((rude)))

>>12357141
Since when has sexuality not been a constantly moving spectrum?

Wasn't it Aristotle who said "In his youth he stole the men from their women and in his age the women from their men", it was Aristotle, Plato or Socrates I can't remember which one but it was in regards to a man of great power.

I believe there's a quote that goes something like "A man sees beauty in all people". Which explains the often bisexual relationships observed in early Hellas.

Alexander the Great supposedly had a gay childhood relationship with his best friend Hephaestion. And considering the extreme relationship between Alexander and his father maybe that would explain his homosexuality but I doubt that's all it was.

>>12355956
>misinterprets being a shitty father for being a shitty father
jesus christ

>>12357216
This faggot doesn't recognize ambidextrous people? Lmao

homosexuality is based and redpilled.

>>12360467
He does not even accept people who like more than one kind of food.

>>12360379

>>12360540
only homos can make some shit this raw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GVWrhdLvVo

>>12357145
see bug chasers they take it to a whole new level

>>12357337
>I'm straight and I don't want children, am I incapable of living a "normal" life?
yes clearly a faggot in spirit

>>12359629
I'm yet to be convinced that Alexander was an actual faggot. There's no proof, it's basically an unfalsifiable claim.

>>12357505
>In modern Saudi Arabia most young unmarried men have buttsex with each other.
Is there a source for this? Homosexual acts are criminal offences in KSA, it's a whacky claim.

>>12357216
But if you choose vanilla, you still like chocolate, although I have a girlfriend, I still like cocks

>>12355931
>dude gender and sexuality are social constructs lmao
>you can't change gayness though you bigot

>>12359629
Alexander being gay is not accepted history. He fucked the captured wife of Darius II for fuck's sake.

>>12355931
>>12355934
This type of bullshit doesn't stand on its own merit. Even if you weren't born that way, clearly millions of people are compelled to act on their impulses (i.e. be gay) regardless of the many horrific consequences. So whether you were or weren't born that way is completely irrelevant.

Also, if you weren't born that way then, as the book itself demonstrates, its due to a complex intersection of physio/psychological factors going all the way back to childhood. How the fuck are you supposed to resolve that with a bit of prayer, shame and electro-shock therapy?

It seems like you can get a lot more done when you treat gays like human beings instead of repugnant monsters as >>12355938 demonstrates. It seems like self-destructive behaviour (suicide, unprotected sex etc.) is more of a result of that very thing.


>>12357013
What's your kik?

>>12355931
It's a societal side effect. Mouse utopia experiment proves.

>>12361655
The more women degenerate women become (like now) the more men will seek male partners.

>You have a choice to repress an urge that you cannot control or modify.
>Expect people to be happy with repressed homosexuality.

>>12361672
Just jerk off to something else.

This debate was settled a long time ago. The only question unironically worth discussing is whether it is gay to enjoy looking at trangender ftm porn and/or wanting to fuck them.

The general opinion is that it's not gay. It is at most somewhere in the middle (bisexual).

>>12361687
Fuck off with this unfunny meme argument.
If being gay means being attracted to men then yes it is gay. There's no stipulation that being gay means only being attracted to masculine men.

>>12361702

No, not really. You don't find a 10/10 woman attractive because of her vagina. That's only one (sometimes small) part in their attractiveness. You are attracted to their feminine features and other general stuff like symmetry, proportions, health, skin, hair, etc.

>>12361687
Btw if it isn't obvious I mean m2f.

>>12361717
Gay and straight are words that refer to the sex you are attracted to, nothing else.

>>12357500
You don't understand genetics in the slightest. Mapping a genome doesn't mean you can automatically identify every gene, you just know the base code. Finding what a particular gene's function is requires a fair amount of testing. We're no where near understanding the human genome in its entirety.

>>12361730
According to your definition.

>>12361687
>It is at most somewhere in the middle (bisexual).

>>12361717
>You are attracted to their feminine features and other general stuff like symmetry, proportions, health, skin, hair, etc.

>tfw 4chan keeps reaching the same conclusions that gender theorists have about sexual expression that run of the mill gender theorists (as well as the post-modernists and the Greeks) reached ages ago but are too paranoid to even partially agree with something Tumblr-esque despite the obvious evidence brought about by thousands of hours of tranny porn and self discovery away from the prying eyes of society

Hopefully one day we will stop pretending like we care about the moral issues that anonymous faggots in our tiny pockets of the internet feel is important long enough to achieve some kind of Lain style collective cognition, or at least some fucking agreement.

>>12361741
That's what fuckin webster says fag.

>>12361792
(((Webster)))

If it's written by a protestant you know its going to be some simplistic bullshit. Although I like how all the faggots and atheists on /lit/ came out to protest this thread.

>>12356719

The argument of a "normal life" is fundamentally flawed because you would have to compare a queer person to a contemporary, straight one, meaning that a life that is lived by a heterosexual that, assuming, should construct a family structure at some point in their lives and procreate is the most desirable and should lead to fulfillment, truth or the highest good, when that is hardly ever the case, especially nowadays.

The only one true path to fulfillment is through the abnegation of passion, to live a life without vice and to be rational and reasonable, as has been suggested by the stoics, the saints, the paramahamsa yogis and any or all men of any culture that sought virtue.

But to wash any refutation of the family my argument might have brought, it does appear that through family one might reflect better his flaws and strive for said good more than one that would live a life solitary, which often as it is, is followed by the most deranged of behaviours.

So you're saying that boy I knew in junior high who was born and raised Jehovah's witness, dressed in pink every day, pranced around ever since he could walk, and spoke with an extremely high pitched voice was just someone who had a bad relationship with his father?

The most fulfilling lifelong companionships come from the interaction and mutual appreciation of intellectual equals. One could never reach the peak of interpersonal relationship with a mongrel. Likewise, a man could never reach said peak with a woman.
Come back home, lit. Use your women as your baby pumping servant while experiencing true intimacy with your fellow man.

>>12361508
I don't think he was a full blown faggot but Diogenes literally sent him a letter accusing him of being "ruled by Hephaestion's thighs".

That's kind of hard to dismiss isn't it? And once you look into Alexanders up bringing, his strange relationship with his mother, his failed relationship with his father... It does make sense that he would "experiment" with his best childhood friend.

When Hephaestion finally died Alexander made the whole city mourn his death and Alexander suffered a mental breakdown. No one can deny this. He went nuts, he wanted to die in battle with his best friend and (supposed) lover Hephaestion. But Hephaestion died of some infection.

Then suddenly, once they went back into battle, Alexander starts getting drunk and "accidentally" killing his best friends... That sounds like someone who can't come to terms with the fact they lost their closest friend and possible lover.

I think it's a cute story anyway

>>12361584
By who? A Catholic scholar doesn't accept that the earth is older than 10k years that doesn't make it right.

>>12361588
Uhmm. I'm a masochist and I like to be verbally degraded.

>>12355945
>Guess I'm frustrated
you sure are

>>12355992
>something you do rather than something you are
there is no difference

>>12357163
How would a bisexual man's future wife feel about his previous sexcapades with other arse bandits?

Seems to be the hidden implication that this hypothetical bisexual is also biologically determined to be an utter sex fiend. You can repress being a boor, obviously, and that's beneficial for society.

So glad that my fellow anons are finally acknowledging the light of Christ and renouncing their wicked ways. Soon enough all of 4chan will be a wholesome Christian imageboard, and the dens of iniquity that are the pornographic boards and the random board will be purged from the site.

>>12355934
>Myth!
>Many homosexuals are happy with their way of life.
So, just one?

>>12361588
>This type of bullshit doesn't stand on its own merit. Even if you weren't born that way, clearly millions of people are compelled to act on their impulses (i.e. be a pedophile) regardless of the many horrific consequences. So whether you were or weren't born that way is completely irrelevant.
>Also, if you weren't born that way then, as the book itself demonstrates, its due to a complex intersection of physio/psychological factors going all the way back to childhood. How the fuck are you supposed to resolve that with a bit of prayer, shame and electro-shock therapy?
>It seems like you can get a lot more done when you treat pedophiles like human beings instead of repugnant monsters as >>12355938 # demonstrates. It seems like self-destructive behaviour (suicide, unprotected sex etc.) is more of a result of that very thing

>>12361583
Do you purposely misunderstand, or do you need me to explain it?

>>12357590
This. Don't forget about birth order effects. Every older brother that a boy has increases his chances of having a homosexual arousal pattern by 15%. The mothers body developing antibodies to male foetuses (or specific features of male foetuses) and interrupting the masculinization process in some way. We know that pregnant women who have been exposed to endocrine disrupters (finesteride for DHT) have a much higher incidence of giving birth to a gender dysphoric child. Being gay (and by extension transgender) can be best thought of a mild intersex condition where only certain brain structures (and arousal patterns) are affected rather than the genome

>>12365679
>The mothers body developing antibodies to male foetuses (or specific features of male foetuses) and interrupting the masculinization process in some way.
Or maybe they just admire their Onii-chans a bit too much.

Is AIDS proof of a Just and Right God?

The best part about being bisexual is not even the hot steamy sex, but making breeders and faggots mad at you.

>>12366450
Are AIDS babies proof that your god is cruel and random or that he knows they were going to turn into Hitlers or some such thing?

It's been suggested that AIDS is a sort of watered down ebola the Pentagon cooked up to eliminate more of a certain community. So is this more of a case for your "Just" and "Right" god-state?

>>12366478
Heh. Well at least you like that part.

>>12366499
>It's been suggested that AIDS is a sort of watered down ebola the Pentagon cooked up to eliminate more of a certain community. So is this more of a case for your "Just" and "Right" god-state?

>>12366499
No it’s proof that homosexuality is immoral, butterfly. You should know the truth: God has destroyed cities for being gay

>>12366523
>Hasn't read his bible
Never gonna make it

>>12366530
Sodom and Gomorrah

Just stop, homosexuality is a sin

>>12366549
Ah yes, the gays. Famous for
"Checks card"
Raping women

>>12366478
Which sex do you prefer though.

>>12366587
Obviously guys. You can’t beat how a cock looks, generally speaking.

>>12366523
The salt of the Dead Sea is not from god turning a city of people into salt.

>>12366555
>>12366614
That's a big YIKES from me!

>>12357784
they also recently removed gender dysphoria
don't really think there's anything objective going on over there

>>12366624
They actually didn't. They removed Gender Identity Disorder. GD is still in there thanks to the efforts of one Ray Blanchard

>>12366598
Do you eat dude ass?

>>12366617
Did your pastor tell you to say that?

>>12366633
God I wish

>>12366598
Honestly just kill yourself, the only good looking penis is a horse penis.

>>12366638

>>12366683
I'll take that as a "yes"

>>12366555
trips wont save you from degeneracy or your culture from sliding into oblivion.

>>12366735
So says the preacher man but I don't go by what he says

>>12357337
No one is entitled to live free of judgment and people being disgusted by their actions. PAssing judgments and evaluating actions as desireable, neutral, or repugnant is a part of being human. Besides, if you're doing something that people find disgusting and the fact they find it disgusting bothers you, maybe that's a sign you SHOULDN'T DO IT!

Btw, while you might be indifferent to people killing themselves in such a destructive lifestyle, there's lots of folks with enough empathy to worry about their fellow Americans.

>>12357013
>Vaginas are also disgusting
But a man's asshole is fine?

>>12366895
fine? it's the best.

>>12357445
Because people who were smarter than them took an interest enough to write about the fucked up society the Spartans set up for themselves, or, allegedly which Lycyrgus set up for them. Without Plutarch/Xenophon no one would still give a shit.

>>12359629
That's not proof sexuality is on a spectrum, that's just proof that in the old days, just as today, there were prominent people who were well and truly fucked in the head.

>>12366905
Youre not gay youre just an anal sex fetishist

>>12366913
this man's asshole literally fell apart

>>12366917
Any source on this? I have no idea who this guy is and this is all I could find
>Foucault died in Paris of neurological problems compounded by HIV/AIDS
>neurological symptoms complicated by septicemia.

>>12366955
some anon on /lit/ said it and i tend to trust our community here.

>>12366963
It makes sense that you would get sepsis taking it up the ass too much

The idea of homosexuality wasn't invented until almost the 20th century. Not every group has to be labelled and in-grouped together.

>>12367056
homosexuals should apologize for being fags

>>12355938
>Mike:
>I just got your letter. You'd better not kill yourself, buddy.
Holy shit lol

>>12357013
>If god wanted me to be more hetero why would he give me a girly body like this?

That's why you need to work out faggot. Sexuality is a spectrum from: Healthy -- to -- Unhealthy .

Right now you are very unhealthy. Get a gym membership, change your diet, and you'll be surprised how much your body can change given the right chemical encouragement (all natural).
t. former twinkbody

>there is some guy thinking about two men butt plundering each other and getting angry about it
I'm glad the Christians of /lit/ are tackling the real problems of anal buggery and are supporting conversion therapy research.

>>12366598
So you're gay.

>>12367714
Gay people don't like girls