/lit/ - Literature

No, but your understanding of them is.

Just do what you want dude

>>12340317
>is "start with the greeks" a meme?

yes

no of their ideas can stand up to modern scrutiny

all of modern philosophy is based on the idea that the ideas of the greeks are stupid and must be continuously mocked

>>12340353
>no of their ideas can stand up to modern scrutiny

becuase they were racist and sexit?

>>12340362
>becuase they were racist and sexit?

because they were stupid

their racism and sexism is just an extension of that

>>12340367
an extension of being based and redpilled

>>12340367

>>12340380
>based and redpilled

they were hacing sex with men. not based or redpilled

Have you tried reading Sextus Empiricus or Plotinus?

>>12340387
it's not gay if you're not cuddling afterwards

>>12340367
Even though you’re baiting I’d break your jaw if you said this in my presence. People who pretend to be faggots deserve broken bones just as bad as actual faggots.

>>12340353
>Aristotle had the idea that you should generally try to be a chill bro
>Somehow this doesn't hold up to modern scrutiny

>>12340392
hate to break it to you anon but everyone was a degenerate in the olden days, now post cockpics

>>12340387
but they always said "no homo" afterwards, so it's ok

>>12340317
This. I thought all philosophy was boring dull shit and bunch of fags discussing vague nonsense but then I got to Nietzsche ane Schopenhauer and felt right at home.

>>12340402
Where can I find books on Greek or Roman cultural customs?

>>12340406
Plato's dialogues and Aristophanes' comedies are full of curious tidbits about everyday life in Athens.
Apuleius' Golden Ass and St. Augustine's Confessions do a bit of the same for the Roman era.

>>12340406
on libgen bro

>>12340422
I've already read Plato's Dialogues and most of Aristophanes comedies (he's legitimately pretty damn funny). Confessions is my next book, I'll check out Apuleius. Thanks man

>>12340423
Thanks

Nietzsche would be ashamed of you fucking poseurs. You're not real philosophers at all.

>>12340445
Your understanding of Nietzsche is fundamentally flawed

>>12340392
Watch out everyone. We've got a tough guy on our hands. He might even browse /fit/.

>>12340445
>Nietzsche would be ashamed of you

He was a loser incel neckbeard, in no position to judge anybody.

>>12340445
nietzsche only liked the presocratics and two of the greek tragedians, he did not like euripides. he thought plato was a pleb and the coming of socrates signaled the downfall of the greeks.

>>12340468
nietzsche is based desu

i wholeheartedly believe that tony robbins is ten times the philosopher plato ever was.

i HATE the greeks

>>12340684
I ATE the greeks

>>12340690
and shat them out again

>>12340392
>I’d break your jaw
No you fucking wouldn't you limp dicked sissy piece of shit, kill yourself for thinking you're better than any of the other losers on this board

>>12340445
Nietzsche was unironically an idiot

all the guys you consider the good stuff read the greeks.
Philosophy has of course moved on. But if you want historical context. Thats where it all starts

>>12340445
nizche stole all his shit from phillipp mainlander and is a fucking hack

>>12340824
they read the greeks and BTFO all of them. the statement that all philosophy is a footnote to plato actually means that all philosophy is a continuesly BTFOing of plato.

>>12340804
shut your whore mouth up bitch

Reminder that all of western philosophy is literally just footnotes to Plato

>>12340841
The point of philosophy is to make arguments not solve questions.
You fucking idiot

>>12340859
whitehead hated plato also that statement is not really a positive
>>12340841

>>12340869
Western philosophy wouldn't exist without Plato

>>12340402
I was talking about faggot in the pejorative sense, retard. Not homosexual.

>>12340794
I would and I’ve done it to faggots like you before without hesitating. I’m not even threatening you. Just warning you to watch your mouth. Not everyone will tolerate your faggotry. Someday someone like me will come along and wreck your shit.

Bump

>>12340690
I AT the greeks

>>12340533
He was the based loser incel neckstashe

>>12340864
>The point of philosophy is to...not solve questions

>>12340913
Would you please wreck my shit desu?*-*

>>12340913
>this faggot is defending the greeks
>the same greeks who were huge faggots
>the same greeks who were kiddy diddlers

Kys you faggot.

>>12340907
Shove a fork in the closest power outlet

>>12342369
they were just really close with their homies bro it's ok if u have no friends and cant understand that lmao

Yeah. The knowledge the Greeks gave us comes intuitively. It's more of a "So that's where that idea comes from" kind of thing.

>>12342337
It's to improve human life you Analytic pleb

>>12340913
>someday someone like me will come along and wreck your shit.

>>12340353
>(nietzsche, schops, spinoza, leibniz, novalis, montaigne, whitehead, 20th century french theory, etc)
All these fucks were negating the cultures around them in order to get back to the Greek worldview. And when I say back, I mean before the atrocity that is Aristotle's worldview. (To get why this seemingly hypocritical statement is mildly funny, start with the Greeks.)
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What would Robert Graves do?

>>12342429
Tell me where you live.

>>12342436
I think you mean before the atrocities of Plato and Socrates

>>12340386
I've never wanted a black goddess to worship as much as I do now in my life. Why does nobody tell whiteguys that we were meant to bow before some Nubian princess and make spells to hold their attention on our insignificance. So fine, regal, powerful, and antagonistic; so beautiful and unconcerned for me, above me. I've made myself a crippled tapestry of flesh, a walkway to keep her feet dry.

>>12342337
>>12342406
Quiet! Or the gods'll give you an Ism.

>>12342334
absolutely he was. yet he still became one of the most intelligent and life-affirming writers to ever live, despite never getting laid and living a miserable, sickly, and health-burdened life.

People dont admire him for the pussy he could or could not get. People admire him because he was able to spread an unbelievably positive message despite living an absolutely horrible life.

But Nietzsche is only funny if you read the Greeks...

>>12342453
I said what I said. You want to enter into a convo about it, or are we just talking shit at each other to no end.

>>12342505
give me your email, lets have an intellectual conversation (though, I doubt you will be able to keep up, let alone will have the balls to respond to me)

>>12340392
i would jump in and punch him with impunity with you like how odysseus smote thersites for running his foul mouth

>>12340392
>nothing but cope

>>12340392
Wow, what righteousness we find here.

>>12340392
Based

based greek Laconism is whats up

>>12342445
up your butt and around the corner

>>12340445
>Nietzsche would be ashamed
Fuck Nietzsche. He can say that to my face and I'll fucking sit him on his ass

>>12342464
nice

>>12340317
If you did not read it in the native language, you did not read it.

>>12340392
based and 4chanian

>>12340317
modern philosophy is all based on those fuckers, but its like tech majors telling you to start with FORTRAN because it was the predecessor to the modern programming language. You dont need to do shit, just do what you want and faggots that try to tell you otherwise in this case are just that. Probably same snobs that enforce the genre fiction/literature differentiation. I started with Camus and it was a blast, I briefly studied aristotle and plato, enough to have some resentment for what platos influence on the west has been and many of his ideas. Aristotle is where its at.

Never studied them extensively but maybe thats where the problem is for you.

Starting with the greeks is a meme perpetuated by hypocrites who haven't even read The Tale of Genji yet continue to read novels.

>>12340445
Nitch didnt even like being called a philosopher, why would he be disappointed? He just liked people to be educated in it.

>>12340804
epic contrarianism m'slave

>>12340317
>20th century french theory
>"the good stuff"

I thought the greeks were pretty great. The romans suck

>>12344968
apu speaks the truth

>>12342882
FACTS and LOGIC

>>12340336
yep

>>12340392
shut up, faggot

>>12342497
Okay this is going to sound dumb. But aren't there pics of him engaging in a threesome or something? I know nothing about this guy, so maybe I am mistaken, maybe the photos aren't real. But, whenever Nietzsche comes up on /lit/ some anons say that he was into wild orgies, while others talk about how he was a complete virgin. Which one of them is true?