/lit/ - Literature

>>12311601
Put a lock on your bathroom door and throw away the key.

>>12311601
dady finger dady finger where are you

Anyone who gives their money away to streamers deserves to have their wealth, 100% of it, forcibly confiscated and given to someone who'll put it to better use.

The Vedas -> The Upanishads -> The Bhagavad Gita.
Then choose one of the astika (Nyaya, Vaisesika, Samkhya, Yoga, Mimamsa, Vedanta) or nastika (Jainism, Buddhism, Carvaka, Ajivika, Ajnana) schools and get into that.

>>12311601
I've read the Indians. With all of eastern philosophy and especially the Indian you want to read the primary texts as much as possible as opposed to secondary books summarizing/describing them. However, this is balanced out by the fact that to get into the more deeper/complicated texts you need to learn many Sanskrit words and phrases which it can be good to learn from books written for that purpose. It is helpful to have a read a book on Hindu/Indian history before studying the philosophy but it's not at all necessary. The best and most straight forward intro book of medium length is Hiriyanna's 'Essentials of Indian Philosophy'. Radnakrishnan also has various good books of varying length that review it. Guenon's books on Hinduism are also good if you are interested in it from an anti-modern/perennialism perspective.

There are Hindu texts to read from each of the 6 darshanas (orthodox schools of thought) although most of the more interesting and relevant texts which someone interested in eastern philosophy would read would probably be found in Vedanta and Yoga, the other ones don't have as many good texts (at least translated to English). Outside the darshanas a lot Hindu Tantric texts are good too. Aside from certain Tantric thinkers like Abhinavagupta, some of the most impressive philosophical/metaphysical writings is found in the writings of the founders of the various Vedanta schools. Adi Shankara is basically the Plato of Hinduism, his commentaries and other works are absolutely kino but in order to understand them you need to have a very solid grasp of Hindu philosophy and basic Sanskrit terminology. You can start with reading some background/intro books on Hinduism and Hindu philosophical concepts, then you can start with some shorter and more simpler texts like the Bhagavad-Gita and Yoga Sutras, and then you can go from there to higher-level stuff. Radnakrishnan has good translations of both the Gita and the principal Upanishads, if you can any questions about certain schools or texts I might be able to answer it. The Mahabharata and Ramayana are more Homeric epics and are not the ideal choice if you want straight philosophy/metaphysics.

Sarvepalli radhakrishnans indian philosophy 2 volumes is great introduction to most indian thought but doesn't go much into kashmir shaivism which you can go pick up after that.

Is Buddism a Islam of Catholic(or Catholic of Judaism)? How could Veda be relevant if it totally outdated by the budda?

>>12311615
>if I repeat a meme I can pretend I'm not a cultural simpleton

>>12311772
you're assuming that with the rise of Christianity Judaism remained frozen in time. The entire rhabbanic tradition is post Christ. I think you must also understand Judaism (at least ancient) to understand Christianity. Buddhism also did not kill the vedic culture and the two schools of thought have exchanged ideas for the past two millenia. I think understanding the Vedic caste society is necessary to understand the sramanic beliefs that reacted to it.

>>12311772
>Is Buddism the Islam of Catholic(or Catholic of Judaism)?
If you mean "is Buddhism to Hinduism what Islam is to Catholicism/Judaism?", then only in the vague sense of coming after the other had already begun and in being influenced by it, Buddhism is not a continuation of earlier Hinduism though and represents a more radical break.

>How could Veda be relevant if it totally outdated by the budda?
They are not outdated by the Buddha, he rejected them and taught different ideas. There is a large amount of material in the Vedas+Upanishads (included in them) which gave rise to numerous schools and sub-schools of Indian philosophy which discuss things far beyond what Buddha taught. Buddha did not make this outdated because he doesn't even address much of it, so he is not superseding or completing it in any way. The pre-Buddhist Upanishads already contain much of the insights and ideas of Buddhism, Buddha mostly just repackaged them in a new way that make them simpler to understand and more accessible to average people.

Also, the idea of 'out-dated' is just relative to whoever is asking it and what camp they identify with. Many Hindus would would consider Buddhism more or less as an outdated outgrowth of Hinduism that was superseded by later Hindu schools such as Vedanta which wrote elaborate critiques of Buddhist doctrines.

>>12311821
I think Buddhism and Christianity share some similarities in how they reacted to previously exclusionary traditions and opened themselves to everyone

>>12311601
do beta kuks really give money and sex to sluts?

>>12311601
OP, you gotta tell me where you get these hilarious pictures from. You and all the other thread makers always have them, and I need to know where you procure them from.

>>12311601
Man, zoomers must be such an interesting generation to psychologically dissect.

>>12311867
You can save this one my friend, it's all yours!

>>12311872
Like, I can't believe that there are youngsters actually growing up in this absolute sh*tshow of an era, seeing everything we see today as the "standard" for their areas. Seeing today's political battleground (left vs right, "sjws" vs "altright", etc), racial tensions, gender relations, consumerist dystopia, infantilized media, absence of any sacredness for anything (sex, life, our planet, etc all reduced to meaninglessness), and everything else, as "the way things are". I genuinely can't fathom growing up and letting today's mutated versions of these realms paint your whole conception of them.

>>12311853
Yes it's true that in the sense you mention they are nearly identical.

>>12311902
good post, i wonder the same

Poop on floor, work at call center, send messages to 12 year old girls on Facebook asking them to marry you

>>12312076
cope

>>12312081
Poop

>poop on floors
>skin color is poop

All is one in Brahman

>>12312081
Cope...for what?

>>12312132
Westerners with dying spiritual traditions are jealous of living spiritual traditions. Every time threads on this or related topics get posted, the same two or three racists immediately come in and begin posting lies about India to misdirect people.

>>12311660
Isn't the Gita part of the Mahabharata?

>>12312132
Coping because they are upset that some people consider Indian/Hindu philosophy more interesting than western philosophy or that they were earlier than the west in realizing a number of things, some Christians are also really triggered by people appreciating Hinduism. I think both the western and Indian traditions are both really interesting, all this 'sports-team' shit that derails threads is juvenile IMO but its a small price to pay for the best discussion board on the internet.

>>12312143
Yes, but the content is unlike most of the rest of it. Some scholars think it was composed separately and added in later. There are other sections of the Mahabharata which contain spiritual teachings but the Gita is one of the largest and most profound areas of it that do so. In-between the periodic spiritual stuff though is a lot of tales of X from Y dynasty doing whatever. It takes so much time to read that if you want philosophy you are better off with shorter texts, that's why I said that.

>>12311601
Look up the St. John's Masters in Eastern Classics reading list and pick out the Indian reading material (weeks 9-13). This is what I did years ago when I was just getting into Indian philosophy, and it was a good introduction. In the current list they use A Source Book in Indian Philosophy. It's on libgen.

Gita is a part of Mahabharata. Even if you don't read Ramayana (for which the penguin abridged translation is really quite excellent) or Mahabharata, at least read wikis on them to get a feel.

Just as with the Greeks though, if you are only reading translations you will never really understand what is going on. Thomas Egenes' two-volume introduction to Sanskrit is one of the best language books I've ever used. Don't be cowed by the Pandits. Sanskrit really isn't that hard.

>>12311601
You should look into the Graeco-Buddhist phenomenon as well...

>>12312226
my nigger.

>>12311617
Ahh yes, the Christmas special was good this year

>>12312226
yeah if you're already familiar with Greek philosophy you should check out Thomas McEvilley's Shape of Ancient Thought. It will serve as a great segue from the Greek intellectual tradition to the Indian, as McEvilley's hypothesis is that they were deeply intertwined. In a word, that the presocratics were in conversation with Upanishadic India (Heraclitus read the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad) and that later the development of Mahayana and Buddhist logic was through Indians in conversation with Plato and Aristotle (Nagarjuna read Plato).

Richard Salomon recently published a selection of fragments of Gandhari texts from the Kushan empire. The historical introduction in the first chapters is the most up to date and reliable intro to Greco-Buddhist history.

>>12312259
>Richard Salomon recently published a selection of fragments of Gandhari texts from the Kushan empire. The historical introduction in the first chapters is the most up to date and reliable intro to Greco-Buddhist history.

>>12312195
oh c'mon man. i've be to india for several months at a time and there's a lot of day-to-day life issues that indians have to deal with that they shouldn't considering the egos they have as a people. that said, indian intelligentsia can compete with the west if they have the resources to which they only seem to be able to find within the west itself.

>>12311622
The same could be said of anyone who buys items sold by sports teams.

>>12312662
isn't that typically clothing though? it's not much different to buying the same stuff from any other brand
not really comparable to maybe getting a 'thank you anon' from some apathetic thot

>>12312138
Interesting, didn't think of it that way
>Two or three racists
Chill dude, it's just people joking around. I think you're projecting a little when you say all that stuff about spiritual tradition, it's just people repeating (admittedly funny) memes

>>12313256
Nah, I think the other anon's right here, as it makes sense for /pol/types, like those who presently LARP as either Christians or (now) Pagans, but cannot sincerely follow either, who already have a prejudice against Indians, should hate them even more now seeing as they realize the spirituality their culture is still rich in compared to the dearth of such in any Western nation.

>>12313256
>Chill dude, it's just people joking around
I'm not that guy, but I have noticed that sometimes it is joking around but there is also a small subset of persistent people who expend a lot of time and effort trying to derail threads about Hinduism and eastern philosophy. I don't know if they are just butt-hurt Christians or something but you can often tell it's one or two people because in the same thread they will have the same posting-style and phrases. When people just ignore them and keep posting it makes them even more angry and they progressively make more and more elaborate trolls posts hoping to bait people into replying so the conversation gets derailed.

>>12311857
>do beta kuks really give money and sex to sluts?
Of course they do, many such cases!

>>12311878
But you made this, correct? Terrific creativity, you have. I don't even know how to use Paint, lol.

>>12311601
>"This is a sacred account and destroys all sins. It is auspicious and in conformity with the Vedas. If a person reads about this conduct, he is cleansed of all sins. A man who reads the account of the Ramayana has a long life, with the sons, grandsons, and followers. After death, he obtains greatness in heaven. A brahmana who reads this becomes eloquent in speech, a kshatriya obtains lordship over land, a merchant (vaishya) obtains the fruits of trading, and a shudra person obtains greatness."
>Valmiki Ramayana. Bala Kanda, Sarga 1
Why aren't you reading the Ramayana to become a better and greater person?

>>12313007
But you're not really paying for the clothing. You can get better and cheaper clothing without the logos. People buy that shit because they want to "support their team," as if any if the billionaires on the field give a fuck what the audience is wearing.

>>12313651
Yes, yes, we all know it's just basic bitch tribalism and consumerism. Now, can we PLEASE get back to shitposting about poo literature?

>>12313352
Stop with your paranoiaposting. First it was Kant, then Christians, now it's Christians and Pagans.

>>12313651
I've not watched live sports but been to other stuff at stadiums, I feel like it's more a spectator solidarity and subculture thing, like long hair and band t-shirts at a rock gig or lightsticks at a kpop thing
probably more so at a sports event considering half the audience will identify with opposing team
I don't think anyone is pretending they're pleasing the players on the field, definitely not like the keks who donate to twitch jezebels at least
(and are you ever paying for clothing? except fast fashion slave labor produce, most stuff is branded or in a house style and marked up accordingly)

>>12313412
Please refrain from posting jezebels. I’m on a 22 day NoFap streak (came a little during the night once)

>>12313464
Best translation?

>>12311902
Same feelings here, anon

>>12313906
The passage I posted from the translation I'm currently reading is from Bibek Debroy's unabridged critical edition. This is the first time I'm reading the epic, so I can't say if its good or not.

>>12314030
Thanks. Rama was an ancient Aryan god-man right?

>>12314089
Yes, he was the seventh incarnation of Vishnu.

>>12314109
Just like this god-man