/lit/ - Literature

What's this about? Is it good?

I'm going to assume this is a gay furry romance story unless you tell me otherwise.

>>12287239
i wanna be a transhybrid too bro

Waste of a cover

>>12287239
how is a 1991 japanese novel gonna make you a feminist?

>>12287768
xenofeminist*
retard

>In her teens, she wrote Kirk/Spock fan fiction.

>>12287239
>xenofeminism
Care to elaborate what this is?

>>12288498
whomst among us haven't?

>>12289428
autism but for females

>>12287239
Cool cover.

Still waiting on a premise, Opie

>>12287239

Still not available at my library. Somebody tell me if this is worth picking up.

>>12289487

One premise comin' right up anon...

"Until he escaped, he had been called “Sample B #3,” but he had never liked this name. That would surprise them—that he could feel one way or another about it. He was designed to reshape himself based on whatever life forms he ingested; he was not made to think, and certainly not to assume the shape of a repair technician whose cells he had sampled and then simply walk out of the secure compound.

Artificial Intelligence is all too real in this classic of Japanese science fiction by Mariko Ohara. Jonah, a child murdered by her mother, has become the spirit of an AI-controlled house where the rogue cyborg once known as Sample B #3 takes refuge and, making a meal of the dead girl buried under the house, takes Jonah’s form. On faraway Planet Caritas, an outpost of human civilization, the female AI system that governs society has become insane. Meanwhile, the threat of the Adiaptron Empire, the machine race that #3 was built to fight, remains."

>>12289539
> women ruin everything

>>12289428
Basically, accelarationism along feminist lines. Capital will deterroterialize gender, technology renders biological differences irrelevant, gender will be abolished etc. Transhumanism, accelerationism in a liberating way, capital leads everyone to be a body without organs etc.

Sorry im drunk

>>12287239
Does anyone know where I could get an electronic copy of this book? I've tried library genesis and b-ok.org, I thought I should ask in this thread before asking IRC.

>>12290366
Buy it filthy pirate

>>12290372
It's not available in third-world bookstores.

>>12287239
God, do I love Women so much. Are there any other anons here that are submissive in nature, and want to just worship and love one like I do? C: I don't know anything about modern feminism though, but I just want a Mommy GF so badly and to love her and never let her feel inferior to anyone or anything in this world of Hers.

>>12290529
Meh it gets old after a while when you realize you are worshipping someone who will forever mentally be a child.

>>12290529
Whether you're baiting or not, that's disgusting and pathetic.

>>12290535
Women mature much earlier than men, and their maturity peak is greater than that of a man's. The concept of the man-child, which you definitely know to be a real archetype, has far less of an equivalent among women. Women are also more intelligent than we are.

>>12290677
No. You just haven't yet learnt how to properly love them. Once you have, you will cease to say such negative things.

>>12291702
Homies over hoes, anon.

>>12291702
>Women mature much earlier than men
yes
>and their maturity peak is greater than that of a man's
no

>>12291702
>The concept of the man-child, which you definitely know to be a real archetype

Don't agree. Man-child to women is what whore is men, they just believe they are entilted to a certain type of behaviour and whine and shame when they don't get it.

>>12291702
there is no woman-child archetype because women are children.

am I a feminist if I like feminine girls and want to protect them

26 posts and not a single evaluation on the actual contents of the book. Good job /lit/

>>12287255
You may read the first few pages on google pre-view

>>12292077
Only if, by definition, you don't exert control over their lives and don't talk down to them.
>>12292224
Despite this book being a minor /lit/ meme, I've never seen an evaluation of it either. The most I've heard through the grape vine is that Yoko Taro apparently used it as a source of inspiration for Nier Automata.

>>12292224
make that 29 bud

>>12292727
>Only if, by definition, you don't exert control over their lives and don't talk down to them.
Why would anybody choose to do this? Talking down to them and controlling them is the only way the avg man can help but not be manipulated by woman's higher avg EQ.

>>12292742
I'm just saying that babying women isn't being feminist. In fact, that's about as patriarchal as it gets.

>>12292747
Well...yeah no shit? I guess I'm more asking why any man would choose to be feminist then? Under feminism men give up their advantage while women retain theirs, effectively making it matriarchy.

>>12291702
>Women are also more intelligent than we are
where is the proof?

>>12292224
I post the evaluation literally every thread because I’m the only one who’s actually read this book apparently and I’m tired of the meme it’s becoming. It’s a decent speculative fiction with some decent work on its themes of what it means to be human. The characters are memorable at least, the female is insane and she’s supposed to be a monster and the monster that’s more human than the humans basically. The English translators are university of Minnesota English/female studies majors who’ve basically bastardized into a major “feminist work” for absolutely no reason other than it was written by a Japanese woman.

>>12293158
>ignoring all the womb and female centric stuff
dude

>>12293177
Literally every female in the book is fucking insane though

>>12293197
I am not denying it, but the same goes for the males.
Only shiverer mouse was sane

>>12290081
If there won't be any genders then why is it called feminist?

Is there anything more cucked than having a daughter?

>>12294163
having a step daughter

>>12294012
Female is the side that does the replicating. So it's the one with sticking power. If men got to choose how they'd look, many would go for feminine beauty.

>>12292758
Some men don't like the social pressures that are put on them in a patriarchal society and see matriarchal societies as a preferable alternative.

>>12294520
I think you're assuming several things that do not entail this conclusion, anon. Saying "gender will no longer exist" and "oh but femininity still will" is contradictory.

>>12294520
>Female is the side that does the replicating. So it's the one with sticking power.

And yet procreation has always needed two parties. And why would replicating translate to "sticking power"?

>>12288498
I wonder whether the reason so many portrayals of brotherly love are turned into romantic pairings by female fans are due to the female mind equating the strongest possible relational bond with sex.

Gotta go F A S T
https://vastabrupt.com/2018/10/31/gender-acceleration/

>>12294949
This, desu. I would love for women to rule us. Imagine them holding your hand and gently leading you along as you walked beside them, oh God...

Any fellow little boys here? That just wish that Women would assume their rightful roles as our Mommy's, and suffocate us in motherly love?

>>12295477
Tfw when no mommy gf

>>12293158
In which way have the translators bastardized it? Did they make any changes to it?

>>12288498
in this day and age, she should list than on her CV

>>12290529
yes but instead of "mommy gf" which I find very infantile, no offense, I want a mutual Love as a radical break from the learned situation. Both parties lost in one another, only finding themselves through experience of the radical alterity that is the Other; not to be the other party, but rather found within the relation to them, which is Love as the truth-Event.
However, I am beginning to become very depressed, and convinced that the thorough and near-complete atomization of society under intense industrialization and capitalistic progress has rendered the world complete one of the same, a mirror-world, in which relation to the radical Other is nearly impossible and consequently radical Love is dead.
Worship of the Female, for me, is a reflection of a wish to enter a relation with the Other in this illusion, learned world. The Female is a visible representation of otherness.

>>12295254
Because men are expendable. One man can fertilize many women. Most men won't breed, most women will. Only a fraction of each generation of men has sticking power.

>>12295477
>>12295613
I also love dominant women more than anything in the world. I don't really want to be infantized by them, but I want someone I can rely on for guidance and to be a shoulder to cry on when need be. Maybe it's just because I'm a fairly effeminate man, or the fact that I grew up surrounded by positive female role models, but the idea of a truly strong-willed and intelligent woman is the most beautiful thing to me. The idea of such power and resilience residing in such a delicate body just drives me wild. I've also found femininity to be a lot more fascinating than masculinity as I've grown older.

I guess I could call myself a feminist, but that becomes difficult in this day and age when the term has been hijacked by capitalism to promote savage careerism and alienation between the sexes. That makes me angry more than anything else since it means that women aren't encouraged to grow spiritually and form real human connections with people. It's all about them prostituting themselves (often literally) to the larger system.

Ideally, all I want is a woman who I can love based on mutual understanding and submit to her wholly. A relationship where I can really be hers and support her through her own troubles as much as she supports me with mine.

>>12295621
And again, what does that have to do with accelerating? If you're saying that deterritorializing the genders is feminist, but then clutch your ovarian pearls when the axe swings both ways you're only coming across as pedantically misanthropic.

>>12295621
>Because men are expendable.
>Most men won't breed, most women will.

And does this have to do with some inherent virtues of the women, or is it an imposition of the men's desires? Just because your captor rapes you instead of killing you does not take away the power to kill.

>>12295482
I know, bro. :(

>>12295613
Power to you, anon.

>>12295975
What a great post, anon. Even though I do desire a Mommy-Son relationship, and therefore a degree of infantalization, I still agree with everything else you've written here. I feel so bad for women in the present era, having been forced into a role which denies them of their inherent strengths and simultaneously makes men (like those seen here) despise them too, for feeling replaced. God, anon. I know how tough it is for men like us. Do you imagine there to be a decent number of dominant women out there, not the BDSM kind but simply dominant and loving, who have been societally indoctrined into submissiveness? Or are we merely hopeless, anon? Expected to either change ourselves, or live in sadness? Anyway, your post was really sincere, and showed me the depths of your soul. I've saved it in my notes.

>>12294949
>>12295477
You can be a responsibility-less lump in a patriarchal society, not every man is going to be a leader. The difference though is that while what you want is possible in either society, what normal dominant men want is only possible in patriarchal societies and the nature of male dominance means that when you create a matriarchal society and deprive dominant men of the ability to actualize their desires with directed aggression, you end up with undirected aggression.

>>12296859
Why do men have to be dominant? Why does reality have to be so cruel in our present case, wherein men behave as savages, and treat women as possessions? Women would take care of us so lovingly if we only let them, and society ceased to brainwash them, and everyone would be far happier under this new paradigm. Women would have the power and dignity they've always deserved, and men would receive the motherly love they've always yearned for.

>>12296952
Mutually assured destruction. If men can't unilaterally give up domination or power etc. Someone else will just come along and take your place

>>12296952
I don't want to be taken care of like a child, I want to own as much as possible and wield the power to carve my surroundings like a fucking piece of marble. Woman don't "deserve" power, power isn't deserved it's taken. If more men realized this we wouldn't be sliding into matriarchy. Entitlement is feminine because it's the only thing that stops men from smashing any two rocks together that they choose. Why do you want to be submissive? It's immature.

>>12297028
Someone needs to be held and doted on

>>12297041
There's nothing wrong with letting a girl comfort you once in awhile in a wholesome way but wanting to structure society or even just your sexuality around this is just...unhealthy. It wreaks of some kind of pathological mommy-complex that I'm not going to pretend to understand enough to explain. What's obvious though is that it's immature and indicative of someone who hasn't developed a proper sense of self.

>>12296766
Like I say, I'd want to be submissive rather than infantized, but I'm glad I'm able to talk to another person who loves women as much as I do. I don't know if we'll ever break free of the shackles of the Patriarchy, but I at least hope that more women do some self-reflection and become stronger people for it.

Out of curiosity, do you know any good books with great women? I can't get enough of reading about strong heroines.

The worship of the female form in this thread is pathetic. It is obvious that those who don't want to compete and failures turn to women for comfort. They abuse women demanding them to be a concept that doesn't physically exist. These are the men who post on tumblr (rip i guess) and try to fuck underage girls (they're afraid of competing for a woman in their social group with men and decide to leverage their time accumulated advantage to go after women in the same social group as teenage men (ironically the women the obtain are often mentally fucked up by parents (alcoholic fathers and bipolar mothers have forever been the downfall of American women))).
Women are people. They are not a replacement for order in life. They are not a redeemer. They are born with the same sins as men and do not have the innate power to transcend suffering. Women are not natural spiritual healers that will absolve the traumas of you childhood. Don't burden an person with your shit and not resolve to improve yourself from within. Wash your cock bucko

>>12297146
I definitely agree that there has to be something stemming from childhood here. Maybe an overbearing mother or and absent father or even someone more subtle. Outside of the quasi-domesticated state of modernity these men would be defective failures even moreso than they are now.

>>12297146
Who said being submissive doesn't involve self-improvement? Obviously you need to love yourself before you can love another, but there's nothing wrong with then deciding that the person you want to love is the one who will wear the pants in the relationship.

>>12297167
Yeah probably, my mom was significantly older than my dad and pretty overbearing and cold. I don't think I've ever been attracted to a woman my age or younger

>>12297028
Why are you so cruel, anon? Why do you not simply abandon such notions of control and embrace the wholesome sense of love you felt as a child?

>>12297070
Maybe you're right, anon. Maybe I do have some sort of internal defect, which I should be overcoming rather than embracing. But I don't know why I ended up like this, I know only that I am not interested in being dominant, but am sensitive and sweet and desire a loving and motherly girlfriend to complete my world and let there be only the two of us.

>>12297135
I'm not a huge reader, anon, sorry, but Alice in Wonderland has a terrific female protagonist in the eponymous character. She's a little girl, though, and not the adult woman you might have been looking for.

>>12297146
No, please don't say this. I don't want any underage girls. I only seek Mommy. And please don't say that Mommy doesn't exist out there. If She doesn't, I will be so sad and will have no hope to live for, as there is nothing else in life I desire any longer. No material possessions bring me happiness anymore, neither do outlets of entertainment. I dislike my job and capitalistic society as a whole - finding none of it fulfilling even slightly, and most of our present era to be error. My only remaining chance at happiness in life are the fantasies I have of me being taken care of by my Mommy. I am resting in bed, with my head nuzzled into Her neck, and Her softly cooing me to sleep. I look into Her eyes and She looks into mine - and in that moment I know I am safe - all the evils of the world are away, and the only thing left is that of Mommy. I kiss Her on Her cheek, and Her nose, and all over Her face, and She continues cooing and perhaps boops my nose back. My body is naturally cold, but Hers is always warm. I drift into my dreams. In the morning, I am woken up by a gentle presence beside me - that of my Mommy softly stroking the back of my head. I stare up at Her helplessly, barely awake, and She plants a dozen kissies on my sleepy face. My head rests just above Her breasts, and She keeps me there by the soft hold of Her hand against my head. Later in the day, I lay flat on the bed with my head in Her lap, looking up, and She seated upright, holding me in Her arms and covering my eyes with Her palms. When She makes us food, She feeds it to me and I feed it to Her. I can't cook yet, but when I learn how to, I will cook for Her too and will lovingly feed Her while seated right in front of Her. Whenever I'm sad, She coddles me and tells me "everything will be okay, baby boy". Whenever I am feeling happy, She makes me feel even happier. It's just the two of us, me and Mommy, and nothing else exists.

This is a general outline of my fantasy. If I can never have this, I will be immeasurably sad. I don't know why I became this way, but I've been like this since childhood. I have never had any real female love before, no physical contact nor relationships of any kind, and I yearn to experience being loved by a Woman.

>>12298435

>>12298454
Are you making fun of me? :(

>>12298527
No, it's a cozy post

>>12289428
Play this
http://slimedaughter.com/games/twine/miniskirt/

>>12291702
Based woman-lover

>>12298435
>Why do you not simply abandon such notions of control and embrace the wholesome sense of love you felt as a child?
You might as well ask why I don't shit myself wherever I am as soon as I have to shit like I did as a baby. I'm not a child so why would I act like one? I have actual ambitions in the world. Why build a lego building when you can build a real building? Why make plastic army men attack a base when you can make real army men attack a real country? Why listen to your parents when you can have real people listen to you? I don't want to abandon adult notions in favor of childlike ones because...I'm not a child. This stupid fucking infantilization of man that you're pushing is unhealthy and immature and the fact that you think other men should join you in it is downright evil. I hope reality hits you in the face like a sack of bricks one day, and I hope you'll be ready to act your part as a man rather than larping as an overgrown child.

If men and women don't stop fighting there will be no one left to reproduce!

>>12298567
See, anon, you sound exactly like whatever I said earlier. You seem violent and aggressive, industrious and enterprising, seeing industries like construction and war to be inherently positive, and someone like me as "encouraging evil". Yet the only evil I see is in you, and the modes of activity you seem to consider as virtuous for an adult male. I guess there isn't point in our speaking, as you have your worldview and I have mine. Take care anon, but please try to remember empathy and showing kindness to others.

>>12298567
And what has all that activity actually profited anyone? It's not like humanity needs any more authoritarianism, war or industrialization. And now people are deeply discontented. All of that work you described is just cope and won't actually fix the problems you are trying to solve, it's just cope. The modern male is a spiteful, aggressive cornered animal. We need to radically rethink our societys obsession with objectification

Stop derailing the thread and go back to discussing the book.

>>12298652
Few of us here have read it. But we are discussing issues pertaining to women and their relation to society, so it's still relevant to OP's topic.

>>12298627
You seem passive, docile, and inert. You're everything wrong with the state of the world and all I feel reading your posts is disgust. I wouldn't call what you have a worldview because I don't consider children to be developed enough to really hold such a thing. I hope you find the mommy gf or whatever it is you're looking for, and I hope she cucks you not because it would be fair or because I want to spite you but because it's what you deserve in the most cosmic way. I wouldn't care if you held this place in society in a vacuum, but with the way things are nowadays everyone can have a platform for their own ideas and everyone is a prophet for their own values. And when false prophets pop up the only thing to do is to throw them on the fire.

>>12298649
I'm aware of technology's role in the rise of feminization. There's nothing inherently wrong with authoritarianism or war, they're part of humanity whether you want them t obe or not.

>>12298435
My only advice is to focus on building your character. You're absolutely right that you don't need to be dominant, but you do need to be desirable to the kind of girl you're looking for. Something all girls love is a man who's comfortable with himself and can be kind without being a doormat--Father material, essentially. Focus on becoming a better and wiser person (through exercising, reading etc.), and also show an active interest when you find a girl you're interested in. The way I see it, I can't be worthy of an alpha female unless I make myself the kind of person she can be proud of, so that's what I'm doing. Good luck, anon. Keep your head up and steer clear from the dark path of misogyny. I can only hope the men like us can find the women we love someday.

>>12298722
There's a lot inheritly wrong with war, but it's unfortunately a necessary evil brought on by the human condition. War is something that should be fought swiftly and without the need to prolong it. Romanticisation is not needed and only leads to a false belief that war is a good substitute for wrestling with one's own inner problems.

The problem with our society is actually that we throw both sexes into masculine style competition with each other, which inspires delusions of grandeur and being destined for a higher purpose, when in reality this rampant individualism leads to the break down of local communities and alienation characteristic of globalisation. Our society is not feminized at all at present: Both parents in a family must work to survive economically, meaning neither parents has as much time to connect with their children, women are sold as commodities based on their sex rather than on the merit of their character and a gender war is being fuelled by capitalism in an attempt to sell us pointless garbage.

>>12298435
that's a cozy fantasy, anon

>>12298722
You think that you came up with that worldview on your own? Messed up, resentful people in high placed can find a lot of uses for an angry young man

>>12298567
> Why make plastic army men attack a base when you can make real army men attack a real country?
Big yikes

>>12301189
based ironic reddit-poster

>>12298435
So tell me Anon, what was your childhood like?

>>12295613
>Love as the truth-Event
BASED

>>12302361
I don't know, anon. I have a mother, and she loved me, yet there was a distance as well. Our connection didn't connect past a certain extent, for whatever reason. I was a very sensitive boy, not relating much to the rest of my male peers. I loved beauty and desired myself to be as pretty as a boy could be, always staring in mirrors and spending excessive time on my appearance. I have always been extremely small for my age, and as I gained years I did not gain size. When I entered my teenage years, I was still completely prepubescent. I met a girl in highschool, who found me and my prepubescent self to be very cute, since I was so different from the other teenagers. Of her own accord, she instigated a playful roleplay with me, wherein she called herself my "mommy" and called me her "son". I soon developed a crush on her, an immature love which ultimately never went anywhere. This was many years ago, and externally I have properly developed since then, attaining all the ordinary markers of pubescence - my height, face, body, and voice are the same as found on any young man. But inside, I am still that little boy I was when young. I have had no female contact since that episode of my youth, and feel I am permanently destined to search for a girl who will play the role of a Mommy, and love me as a little boy. Though I do not pursue this outwardly, inwardly my soul yearns for it every second.

That's all, doctor. Don't judge me either, please. I know I am broken, yet I don't wish to fix myself. I only seek to attain what I desire. Those little boys you see in anime? That's what I feel like inside. I just want to be one of them again, rather than be confined to the continuous aging of body as I am, ever-destined to move further and further from the days of boyhood in which my soul still lives.

>>12296766
Why am I on this board?

>>12303423
What do you mean?

>>12295975
>the idea of a truly strong-willed and intelligent woman is the most beautiful thing to me. The idea of such power and resilience residing in such a delicate body just drives me wild
based

>>12290529
>>12287239
what kinda faggot shit is this? Y'all niggas gay.

>>12302968
>I loved beauty and desired myself to be as pretty as a boy could be, always staring in mirrors and spending excessive time on my appearance. I have always been extremely small for my age, and as I gained years I did not gain size. When I entered my teenage years, I was still completely prepubescent. I met a girl in highschool, who found me and my prepubescent self to be very cute, since I was so different from the other teenagers. Of her own accord, she instigated a playful roleplay with me, wherein she called herself my "mommy" and called me her "son".
bruh this is way to similar to my own experience.
The more I grow as a man the more I have a desire to dominant rather than submit. Really what I crave for is a dynamic relationship with a highly intelligent, independent woman who motivates me to become a more capable, powerful person but also tenderly cares for me. In general, I find it really unattractive for a man or woman to be highly dependent on each other.

>>12303464
Just imagine a woman with a cold, icy exterior and a razor sharp glare. You know she takes shit from no one and will not hesitate to stand up for her convictions. Yet beneath all that, her body feels smooth like silk, you feel secure in her embrace and once you earn her trust you begin to break through that icy exterior to find the most warm and affectionate person you've ever known.

These women are a rare breed in our society, but when you actually meet them and get on their good side, there's just no turning back. I don't see how anyone couldn't love that.

>>12298567
>I have actual ambitions in the world. Why build a lego building when you can build a real building? Why make plastic army men attack a base when you can make real army men attack a real country?
based the desire in men to dominant should not be repressed

>>12287239
Tell me. Is it actually ''feminist''? I will read it if it's not. Seems very interesting.

Has the author said anything about the apparent liberties taken with her work by translators with an agenda?

>>12303575
Books for this feel?

>>12303634
>>12303638
retards

>>12303666
retard

>>12302968
i like you, mommyposter. i hope you continue to contribute here

Bump. Spread some more love for the fairer sex.

i hate that i am genetically dedigned to love opposite gender theyvare everythhingb when you r near then but when u r isolated u think no tjey r nothing and thats how theyvget u

>>12294520
>If men got to choose how they'd look, many would go for feminine beauty.
What kind of fucked up life do you have to live, for this to be a reasonable thing in your mind.

>>12296952
>why do men have to be dominant
biology

>ITT: extreme cucks
The natural conclusion of men abdicating power, is to be dominated by other men who aren't fucking retarded. Every one of you should be in chastity.

>>12305499
Go back to instagram, Chad.

>>12305499
>implying most men wouldn't like to be relieved of the social pressures they face
>implying one rogue alpha male could dominate in a matriarchal society
Why would you support a society that forces you to compete with other males over every little thing (jobs, women, resources etc.), which has resulted in an entire generation of angry, displaced males-- Some of whom have gone so far as to commit acts of terrorism in an attempt to lash out against society.

We live in a time where ceaseless industriousness, globalisation and the commodification of sex has led to alienation across genders which is being fuelled by capitalism to sell us things we don't need. And you, the individual male are expendable in this system. That sounds far more cucked than letting a woman love and take care of you to me.

>>12305571
DUDE brah you gotta SUFFER to be a REAL MAN though breh like bro brah just think like it's like working out bro you gotta suffer & struggle & go through a lot of pain just so you can get a 6/10 slampig gf who's had 87 dicks already run through her brah cuz that's what being a REAL MAN is about breh you gotta suffer like fuckin Sisyphus brah #getshitdone #realmanhours #goalsquad

>>12294012
Feminism (actual feminism, radfem "TERF"s, not idpol libfem protranny intersectional """feminism""") is about abolishing gender roles.

>>12305652
Isn't feminism and especially radfem TERFism idpol in and of itself?

Not trying to be acting in bad faith here, just curious.

>>12306256
Feminism is not necessarily as self-centred as idpol. The abolition of gender roles is something that affects men as much as it does women.

>>12306256
its just virulent anti-cosmicism

>>12305652
Abolishing gender roles by "checks notes"
Enforcing gender roles

>>12306256
its gender abolitionism

Gender is determined by your chromosomes. End of argument.

>>12306315
>sex is determined by your chromosomes
FTFY.

>>12306315
So that intersex XY woman that gave birth to her own kid last month is actually a man then?

>>12306315
Its the same argument the Nazis used against the Jews, its in their genetics etc. Its all just horseshit really

>>12294520
>Female is the side that does the replicating.
https://singularityhub.com/2018/10/02/human-immature-eggs-made-from-blood-cells-for-the-first-time/

You need to spend more time on /pol to keep up to date.
The only difference between men and women will be the ability of males to create both male and female offspring ... (having both Y and X chromosomes at the disposal, like "female" fish that are capable of self-cloning)

... not that offspring much once the life-expectancy increases faster than the clock ticks.

>>12306361
The Nazi argument against the Jews was that they are a "parasitic" group leeching off the European population,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If8YR9YAsv8
enabled by historical Jewish privilege of being the only group allowed to lend money at interest within the christian society.
Banking and finance is also closely related to indentured servitude... which was especially convenient in combination with also being a protected lower class in Muslim regions. (The Muslim ruling class in Spain turned blonde due to generations of Slav/slave-wive imports)

This is why, although stupid logistically, gas-chambers made sense to Nazis, as they were common tools for killing "parasites" in clothing.
All the concentration camps already had gas-chambers to kill the lice spreading typhus that killed the inmates,
but only in the eastern camps these were re-purposed to kill the human "parasites" already being killed by the disease spread by insect-parasites.
e.g. there is no known case of the Dachau chamber commonly visited by tourists being used on humans.

And when it comes to genetics, we're much further down the rabbit hole than X and Y chromosomes when it comes to attributing behavior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

and if Nazi legislation was based on our current idea of genetics, a 1/4 Jew being considered OK to marry a German in Nazi Germany doesn't make sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Classifications_under_the_laws

You're likely confusing it with the ideals of US-Democrats:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qJq-m0XZ9U

>>12306476
but if you could pick between a world filled with only women and only men why would you pick men?

>>12306765
"men" will likely out-compete both men and women.
>>>/d/8273945
and could be considered male based on likely Y-chromosome presence.
The main disadvantage of men in society is that male faces don't trigger female (or male) protective instincts.

>>12305578
And on top of that, family values are being compromised by designing a global economic system which ensures that mothers and fathers are both forced into the workplace to support their families, which means neither can spend quality time with their children in most cases, and when they can spend time with them, they're too exhausted from work to do anything.

Then, within the work place, women are taught to place their careers above their families under the pretenders of it being """""feminism"""""". This ironically involves them sacrificing their femininity to become imitations of men, and thus another disposable cog in the patriarchal machine. On top of competing with their male counterparts in the work place, women are also expected to sell their sex and to be the PR "face" of the company by being attractive and not planning to get pregnant any time soon. So the men are stressed from their worklife problems and the women are too, and neither have a safe haven to return to, nor the ability to find comfort in one another.

Yet despite all this, some dipshits will claim that it's women's fault and will pay lip service to the patriarchal society in place out of some grand delusion of moulding themselves into a modern Marcus Aureilus or Ulysses.

>>12306765
Provided reproduction was still possible, a world of women sounds a lot less depressing, tbqh.

How did they manage to make bipolar disorder a trait men find attractive?

All these dudes talking about women like they understand how they think and who they are inside. How do you not realize they want to submit? The number one fantasy for the vast majority of women is to be dominated. If you knew anything about women you’d know not to listen to what they say and listen to how they act.

>>12307240
why women like to be dominated? (at least in the sexual sense)

>>12307267
Pretty sick of people believing the meme that people’s sex lives are divorced from the rest of their personal lives. The smallest cursory analysis will show you this is false.

>>12307240
>The number one fantasy for the vast majority of women, according to not women, is to be dominated.
why do you keep pushing this 90's meme? can't you tell you fell for a meme? most women want anything that makes them feel engaged and not about to die, just like men. There is secret absolute fetish to master.

>>12307302
>The smallest cursory analysis will show you this is false.

how so?

>>12307267
There are reasons we know this. The most obvious being that women reproduce. Our physiology is so sophistced and evolved that our dicks are shaped with heads to scoop out the cum of other males. Do you really think there’s no evolutionary basis for women to be compelled towards masculine men?

Or maybe you think it’s just like, totes a coincidence

>>12307267
Women tend to be more insecure about having any type of sexuality (for a variety of reasons including but not limited to patriarchal reproductive control), so they tend to be attracted to men who force them to do what they actually want. It's not the domination they are attracted to, it's the excuse to actually enjoy sex because they can plausibly deny being into it

>>12307307
The most consumed entertainment industry on planet earth is in the sex industry. Peoples habits have been tracked for decades it’s pretty obvious what people’s sexual pathology is.

>>12307336
Uuhhhhhhh are you suggesting that people think the only way to enjoy sex for women is through domination? This is the opinion of a virgin. Every office mom in America is reading 50 Shades and before that they were rubbing their sugar plumbs to Anne rice novels.

Is this the power of feminism lmao

>>12307314
Because more catholic school girl uniforms are sold to private citizens than catholic schools. If you can’t make the connection you’re just a brainlet.

>>12307342
so you assume that everyproducer has all the data and ponly creates products based on those who ahd the best sales?
Even though that's not how any industry works, and wouldn't work because of saturation, you assume they make what data shows others want instead of just what they think will sell.
You're assuming at every step of the process. What they have to work with, their motivations, their logic, their sales. You don't know any of this, but you present this nonexistent assumption as proof of a meme you fell for. Are you actually medically retarded?

>>12307355
No, that not what I'm saying. Social attitudes discourage women from actively pursuing sex. They still really want it though because they're horny humans after all. Wanting to be dominated means that it's the man's fault that they are having sex and that they don't have to be anxious about whether they're a slut or not

>>12307385
So what you're saying is that slutshaming is the real issue, then?

>>12307415
That's definitely part of it but not the only reason

>>12307371
I said nothing of porn even though that’s one level of analysis. Obviously men are consumers of porn so I wouldn’t expect it to perfectly reflect society. This includes literature, sex toys ( that’s a big clue ), psychoanalysis, and can even extend into healthcare in terms of what people are doing with their bodies. Beyond all of this obvious proof the cultural milieu is quite obvious for anyone with the slightest amount of intuition. Any behavioralist will tell you this. I can’t help but to laugh as feminist women feel guilty for fraternizing with men of a certain social and sexual behavior. All of this is quite self-evident. I might be willing to hear some other explanation but the only other narrative I’ve ever seen is that there’s a mass make patriarchal conspiracy that spans across every time and culture. If there’s anything beyond this sort of idea I’m willing to consider it but if you’re about to tell me that media has simply been perpetuated by a certain class of men to women, and furthermore that they’re so easily swayed, then I’ll just have to laugh at you.

>>12307385
This makes sense

>>12307424
In what other ways can we solve this problem then? I know from personal experience that you really have to encourage a woman to get her to talk about sexual matters, and I think it's a real shame.

>>12307456
I think that it's really on women to solve it themselves. Any externally imposed solution would be just as antifeminist as anything else

>>12307456
You need to stop fighting biology and start learning to have fun chasing and hounding women. It’s what we’re designed to do. They also love it when you uncover their deepest desires. Just don’t be an autist about it.

Sometimes I feel like feminism and #metoo are peepuetuated by the horniest and most sexual of women as a challenge to men in order to find the ones most willing to break the Victorian taboos they’re creating and find the most powerful mates.

>>12307495
>They also love it when you uncover their deepest desires

not really, sometimes i look at them by accident and they look at me like i´m a disgusting freak

>>12307521
That sounds like a personal problem ( either with these women or with you ) but most people understand repressing their true selves is destructive and painful. If they can’t handle self actualization that’s their problem.

>>12307476
Very true. Even then though, there are larger social trends that undoubted shape women's behaviour. But then again, I guess wrestling with those without imposing on women's freedoms is the biggest challenge feminism faces, isn't it?
>>12307495
Oh, I have fun hounding and chasing them, but I also want to be hounded and chased back. It takes two to form a good relationship. If a woman can't be open and honest with me, how can I expect to rely on her in times of need?

>>12307567
Looks like you’ve stumbled upon the fundamental problem of our times. There aren’t qualified women anymore.

>>12307170
What a great post, dude. You've summarized our society quite well. I'm saving this.

>>12307170
A+ post, anon

>>12307816
>>12307834
Gosh guys, I didn't expect that reaction, but thanks.

The more I read, the more I become convinced that misogyny is one of the great evils of our time. Don't fall for that BS, misogynists are people who support the very systems that oppress them-- They provide ammunition for SJWs to fuel the gender war, and they encourage young men to grow distant from the very women who could help them.

Women are God's gift to man. They can support us, and use their creatively focused minds to remind us that there is colour and compassion in the world even with all it's bleakness. The kind of hope women can inspire is exactly why authoritarians want to appropriate and/or destroy them using false idols.

I can't empahsise enough how important it is to be kind to women. Open up to them, regard them as your equal and listen to their feelings. If a woman mistreats you, move on. There are plenty more where she came from.

I know I'm rambling like a madman, but I can't stress enough how much I admire women and believe they're our salvation.

>>12308028
I agree with everything you said, anon. I really do love them so much and want nothing more than to make them feel appreciated. I will never be a misogynist, even if women are mean to me. I just hope so badly that matriarchy replaces our current paradigm, and that it involves women not being mean to men but being caring towards us once they are given the reins. I hope women will be interested in caring for their men, and won't be repulsed by guys like me for being submissive. I can only hope, sadly.

Also, am I a bad person if I watch ASMR videos and pretend the girls are my Mommy, taking care of me as such?

This one is what I'm currently watching, she's so pretty and kind, in my opinion:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nXeElPbXcS0

Bumping for best thread

>>12309686
>>12308028

>>12309866
I am a virgin, yes. I have devoted myself to celibacy.

Does anyone else love when girls call them "cute"? I can't get enough of it, personally.

>>12308028
Oh fuck, I'm so glad the world-spirit has been whispering to someone else too. Jesus this is refreshing. You've encouraged me to stop lurking
>>12307240
Women liking to be dominated is just another symptom of how mistreated women are in our society. I definitely couldn't speak for any woman, but I observe that women can only imagine love realistically as a side effect of abuse.
>>12294520
You confuse xenofeminism with gender accelerationism. G/ACC proffers the destruction of gender, while xenofeminism proffers a conflict between the masculine gender and feminine genders (all others) in which the feminine gender will win and expunge masculinity.

>>12309686
Dismantling the patriarchy is an uphill battle.

You'd first have to completely restructure the economy, redistribute wealth, and bring the emphasis from the international and national lens back to placing an emphasis on local communities. This would empower families, and by extension women. We would also have to do away with consumerism and centuries of patriarchal brainwashing to get women to stop viewing themselves as commodities and actually have confidence in themselves as people. Men would also have to be taught that they aren't entitled to women and to actually see value in a woman beyond sexual value.

Then, once a matriarchy is established, you would need a stable military in order to defend the society from external, patriarchal threats. I know war is not very feminist, but capacity for self-defence is necessary to ensure the longevity of any society.

In short, an ideal matriarchy would be anarchist, feminist and community orientated. As great as that sounds, you can imagine how much opposition that would receive from those currently in power. Even worse is that fact that I'm not sure that there's much that we as men can do to combat the patriarchy without infringing on women's rights unjustly.

>>12310105
Experiences of having girls call me cute or get flustered around me was definitely a boost to my self-confidence, but honestly just seeing a beautiful girl is enough to make my heart flutter and brighten up my day.

>>12308028
Women are only supportive and compassionate if you look like Chad Hemsworth.

>>12312000
Stacy from high school the average woman does not represent, anon. As long as you don’t act like an insecure fag, women tend to be pretty friendly.

Are there any femanons here that can tell us what they think of all this? Are any of you interested in taking on the dominant role?

>>12312023
I never said anything about "Stacy"
>as long as you don't act like an insecure fag
Wow how compassionate and feminine. So if i'm ugly or have a cleft palate/harelip/severe acne scarring then I should "just b confident brah" even though 90% of women (even the non "stacies") will deride me in favor of Chad Cavill. This is why your "dude we need a matriarchy women are so compassionate and caring" posts are a crock of shit.

Women only like and are compassionate towards attractive men.

>>12308028
Women who don't fulfill their role as mother or a pure grill shouldn't be given the same equal position as a human. Sorry, this is for the greater good.

>>12311815
>Men would also have to be taught that they aren't entitled to women and to actually see value in a woman beyond sexual value.
Men have been taught that women can do anything men do, just better, for many years.
Most of children television shows women being smart, males being idiots. (e.g. kim-possible, simpsons etc.)
This could however also boil down to the perception of: Women = a man + added sexual value.

> I know war is not very feminist
feminists have shamed men into enlisting (and get killed) in the world wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather

>>12310098
Virginity is a "male" value, that is currently shamed as the values of society have become "feminine".
To women virginity is irrelevant for reproduction, as they can always be sure it's the own child.
While to a man a non-virgin partner used to have the potential of the genetic linage dying, spending resources to
support a child related to a different man.
What we currently see is a developing matriarchal value system, shaming virgins while celebrating "sluts".
Most of written history in Eurasia was celibate patriarchy.
The only current examples of historical matriarchy, African tribes, do not know marriage like structures and have sons stay with the
mothers, freely roaming around impregnating any women offering herself, without any commitment to care for the child.

>Dismantling the patriarchy is an uphill battle.
Those left under the bus, dying on the construction site, tend to be ignored by media so the men getting the short straw don't get mentioned and only redistribution of positive positions with male over-representation is discussed.
Dismantling the patriarchy is dismantling the meritocracy, unless you interpret patriarchy very different from the literal sense.

>Caring about women in (almost) 2019
Any man with a brain should have made himself a bisexual by this point so that they can be attracted to other men and abandon women entirely. There's no reason to keep suffering on their account.

>>12312054
This. If you want to be treated like a princess then you should act accordingly and i'm not meaning "be spoiled entitled and workshy". I sincerely doubt the young princesses of Spain are grinding on "alpha male" dick and getting drunk 6x a week at "shagaluf".

>>12312060
I tried that route but I like tiddies and womens legs too much

>>12295613
good post

>>12312066
>I tried that route but I like tiddies and womens legs too much
If you're willing to put up with everything else about women for those two things, well, more power to you I guess. I like physical things about women too, but it's not worth it to me.

>>12312079
Women aren't willing to "put up with" any aspect of my existence so it doesn't make much of a difference either way.
>but they're the "more compassionate and caring" gender, right :^)))

>not a single post about OP's book
Well is it shit or not

>>12312089
One way that I have thought of it is that I know how I, as a man, view relationships and other people. Therefore there are most likely other men similar to me, even if they're only a minority. I can't say something like that about women.

>>12312046
Absolutely no one is going deride you on your appearance alone aside from immature children. The people who receive ostracisation from women tend to be people who actively behave in a bitter and creepy way towards them. As for Chad, he will receive attention based on the fact that he is actively being sold to women by the patriarchal system. A matriarchal society would prevent the domination of Chads, as women would be able to value more in a man than mere sexual satisfaction and would not require his income to lead a happy life. Even under the current system however, attention will be given to Chads, but women generally won’t antagonise others without reason. Unless you’re that kind of person who thinks that women can only provide you with sexual attention. In which case, that’s your problem.

>>12312054
Where did I say I had anything against mothers? I just discussed how patriarchal values actively work against family values. Women are beings forced to work under the current system, meaning that having families becomes more difficult and due to a combination of social stigma and one-income families becoming increasingly economically inviable, stay at home fathers can’t solve this either. It’s getting to the point that the only way a woman can actually have children and spend quality time with them is by marrying a rich Chad so they don’t need to work. If anything, patriarchy is the enemy of motherhood.

>pure
Purity is an arbitrary criteria to judge women by, since it can’t be measured. The hymen is extremely fragile, afterall. On top of this, some men define even something as basic as a woman being horny as being “impure”. In short, purity is a meaningless term.

>>12312156
1.) Women frequently deride and chide me simply for not being attractive. You're wrong.
2.) I dont have to say a word to women for them to be disgusted and repulsed by my existence. once I make eye contact with them they instantly become revolted by my existence.

You sure are making a lot of excuses to prove my original point about women only being "compassionate and caring" towards men they find attractive. The matriarchy can stay in the trashbin of history if you're this dedicated to defending such capricious and shallow bahaviour from them.

>A matriarchal society would prevent the domination of Chads, as women would be able to value more in a man than mere sexual satisfaction and would not require his income to lead a happy life.
Factually wrong. A matriarchy would keep a harem/stable of Chads around to keep undesirable and unattractive men like myself away from women at large. This is wholly overlooking the sexual/intimate implications of a matriarchic society with a harem of Chad centurions.

>>12312156
>Absolutely no one is going deride you on your appearance alone aside from immature children.
In other words, women.
>The people who receive ostracisation from women tend to be people who actively behave in a bitter and creepy way towards them.
Women's definition of "creepy behavior" is "an ugly man interacting with me."

>>12312156
>A matriarchal society would prevent the domination of Chads, as women would be able to value more in a man than mere sexual satisfaction and would not require his income to lead a happy life.
You're deluded. The more women are "liberated" the more woman are free to all fuck Chad. Women were only incentivized to be with less desirable men because they needed to secure a stable financial and societal position. That incentive is almost completely gone. And what do women do? Well you can fucking see it, can't you? They just sleep around profligately.

>>12312156
>Where did I say I had anything against mothers? I just discussed how patriarchal values actively work against family values. Women are beings forced to work under the current system
Yeah, retard, that's proof that we don't live under a patriarchy. If we were in a patriarchy then men would provide for women who would generally stay at home and fulfill their role as mothers. Matriarchy means women will spend their lives working instead because men won't be taking care of them anymore. Your understanding of reality is backwards.

>>12312156
>I just discussed how patriarchal values actively work against family values. Women are beings forced to work under the current system,
Our current system isn't patriarchal .. it's a meritocracy with added elaborate welfare system in the context of a feminine value system.
This makes a huge tax revenue necessary and forces women to work to support the elaborate welfare system necessary they themselves voted for.
In addition women choose to have careers instead of families (or are brainwashed to do so by watching romantic comedies), this increases workers supply decreasing the value of labor.
Twice the people working doesn't mean twice the money gets payed, it just means less machines get used as labor is cheap. Women working simply means both parents have to work to support the family, leaving the cild to be raised y daycare payed by increased taxes...

You're arguing for the installment of a matriarchy in order to create a world that looks like what has historically only existed as patriarchy.

>>12307355
>Every office mom in America is reading 50 Shades and before that they were rubbing their sugar plumbs to Anne rice novels.
my lad those books and pretty much every mom-erotic novel all contain a dominant man to whom the woman submits completely;

Does xenofeminism involve worshiping alien hotties?

>>12295255
Maybe they are just horny

>>12312237
Except men are expected to look after women. The whole social expectation hasn’t gone away just because women have entered the workplace. There’s still an ingrained bias in the system to men working over women. Women are paid less than men for a start. The obvious retort to that is women are often known to be diversity hires, but this only really occurs in cushy, privileged sectors, where the woman is expected to be a pretty face and nothing more. They’re visible to the public, but also expendable. By doing this, companies are able to score points with the PC crowd, while also forcing women to sell their womenhood as a characteristic of them selves. That’s far from being meritocratic. Lower class women who enter the workforce however, are subject to lower pay than their male colleagues due to the possibility of them starting a family. The male therefore often earns more than the female in low income households. I could also talk about how being a stay at home dad has a social stigma attached to it due to masculine pride and judgement from others, but I think you see my point. Patriarchal undercurrents still exist.

>>12312345
It's almost like working to provide for a family is something that is biologically suited to men and not women, since women have long periods of time during which they cannot work. Maybe we should structure society so that it accords with human biology. Oh wait, that's called patriarchy, lol.

>>12311815
>>12312345
The only way to solve this war between the sexes would be to completely divorce reproduction and (biological) sex

>>12312439
based but also cringe

>>12312444
They've already been practically divorced due to abortion and contraceptive technology. Contrary to making anything better, it made everything worse since it eliminates the natural purpose and male and female relations.

>>12312439
Firstly, women can work quite late into pregnancy depending on the sector and get back into the workplace quite quickly if they so chose, so the pay gap isn't entirely warranted.

Secondly, patriarchy's impact can be felt far beyond family structures as a system that shames women and forces them to meet arbitrary standards that are based heavily towards male satisfaction.

>>12312097
It's mostly shit.

>>12295613
No you silly divine feminine is a threshold representative for the id

Go into a strip club and analyze why you're afraid

>>12312485
>Secondly, patriarchy's impact can be felt far beyond family structures as a system that shames women and forces them to meet arbitrary standards that are based heavily towards male satisfaction.
And...?

>>12312059
>that white feather case
I'd barely count the suffragettes as feminists, especially since they largely represented the interests of upper class women rather than all women. They were the precursors if we're being generous.

>>12312485
>Secondly, patriarchy's impact can be felt far beyond family structures as a system that shames women and forces them to meet arbitrary standards that are based heavily towards male satisfaction.
... Thirdly, matriarchy's impact can be felt far beyond family structures as a system that shames men and forces them to meet arbitrary standards that are based heavily towards female satisfaction.

>>12312544
>since they largely represented the interests of upper class women
That's what modern feminism is too, retard. Single mothers working at Burger King aren't benefiting from any of this.

>>12312574
Sadly, that’s what mainstream feminism taught in colleges is. But that’s not what feminism is as a whole. What baffles me is why the feminists who oppose that kind of feminism don’t try to broadcast their disapproval a bit more loudly.

>>12312602
>Sadly, that’s what mainstream feminism taught in colleges is. But that’s not what feminism is as a whole.
Yes it is. There is no feminism that is good for poor women, because feminism is based around appropriating the paradigm of class struggle into a non-economic realm. It's a capitalist tool in its entirety.
>What baffles me is why the feminists who oppose that kind of feminism don’t try to broadcast their disapproval a bit more loudly.
Because they don't disapprove of it.

>>12290529
based mommy fetish, very /lit/

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I started reading this one, got huge submissive feels so far. It's really good, I got to talk to the author and she signed it for me, she had a crazy calm presence. I've got mad issues with my parents I essentially figured if you're not fed love from a spoon you learn to lick it off a knife. You all should read it if you like dominant women, it'll help you understand whatever unconscious impulse is broken or repressed. She's quote tolstoy and talks about ouroboros and grew up in hawaii taking a bunch of lsd so she's not an idiot. single mother that went from spiritualist -> stripper -> dominatrix

"Some men--the easy marks--had no idea the girl gazing into his eyes was a die-hard lesbian or was married with three kids. These men needed the fantasy to stay intact. They didn't want to know your personal problems, didn't care about who you really were. They just wanted you to obliterate their lonliness, or at least make them forget about it for a few hours. You could feel their desperate desire to be loved and you knew you couldn't give it to them. You couldn't fix them. For other men it's all about power and control--feeling powerful turns them on. As he hands over a bill and says, "Dance," the powerless little boy fades away. He's made her do his bidding, and she seems to like it. At last, he's in control. She wants him. His ego inflates like a blow-up doll. The majority of men who frequented the club were lonely, needy, weak, and afraid of women.

People tend to have one of two reactions to strippers. The first is fear and aversion since they are afraid to look at the broken parts or repressed sides of themselves. They don't want to be confronted with the mirror we hold up. It's painful, and scary, and hard. It's easier to judge and condemn than to inquire into the source of one's discomfort. I get it.
Other folks react with fascination. These people want to take home their new, freaky friend to show to their coterie. I've been to many parties where I felt like I was a sideshow attraction, a pet that's been brought up to the front of the class for show-n-tell"

>>12312638
>It's a capitalist tool in its entirety.
Not necessarily.
It could also be interpreted as a cog in in the wheel intended to wipe clean the values of society from so communism can emerge victorious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

/LIT/ - LITERATURE

>>12312683
Books for this feel

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>>12301634

check out these /lit/ threads then you faggot

>>12303442

oooo here's a spicy hot critique of latter day phenomena, hot off the press anon!
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>>12312059
>The only current examples of historical matriarchy, African tribes, do not know marriage like structures and have sons stay with the
>mothers, freely roaming around impregnating any women offering herself, without any commitment to care for the child.

None of them are matriarchal, only matrilocal. Also the kids are raised by their maternal uncles whom are sure to share genetic material with them.

>>12312706
>>12312714
Just because the whole board is shit doesn't make this specific instance not shit.

>>12312060
Only women can be Mommy's. They alone have the soft, feminine spirit which heals all problems. Men cannot compete or replace, at least for me. I will never go for a man, even if i cannot have a woman.

>>12312980
>shit posting
>introspective lamenting about mother/father complex
This threads alright

>>12312994
>Men cannot compete or replace, at least for me. I will never go for a man, even if i cannot have a woman.
Speaking from Jungian pov, mommy is merely the fulfillment of the Mary archetype projected into the female sex which can still be mimetically reproduced by men (Alongside the archetypes of Eve and Helen of Troy). Btw I am merely suggesting that there is no possibility you could be immune from being deceived by other men that understood the masculine condition that he could painstakingly embody the Anima better than the female counterpart just to attain love for himself.

>>12313145
Not him, but the masculine apparence is rugged in character and not even traps can replicate the delicacy of the female body, voice and spirit.

As a fellow woman lover, I just can't see a world without them.

>>12313200
True. Landian capitalism will render female sex obsolete and butcher the men.

>>12312665
Thank you for the rec, anon. It seems interesting. If only there was some way I could read it digitally, since I don't like keeping physical copies of books related to my kinks and fetishes.
>>12313252
This idea of gender accelerationism never sat right with me. That's solely because of how much I love women and don't want femininity and everything that's so beautiful about it to disappear from the world. Part of me feels so strange for opposing it for this reason alone, because I don't really care about masculinity as much by comparison. I like to dream about a matriarchal utopia and being able to serve and be dotted on by women to the point where even imagining a world without the female sex just fills me with sadness. Like the mommyposter, I'm just hopelessly in love with women.

>>12313642
Your matriarchal utopia will be subverted into a dystopia where MtF trans will be in charge and your beloved girls be brainwashed to serve the masculine lesbians.

>>12313749
trannies are just obsessed with their anima/with identifying with it. Keep it as an object cathexis/choice and you're golden. You're a good boy you know :)

>>12313749
I dread the thought. But I like that we've had a thread on /lit/ where we can talk about how great women are. All the misogyny that gets thrown around here really annoys me, especially since I believe the world would be a better place if more of us came to terms with our feminine side and realised that man is only complete because woman exists. I wouldn't mind more threads like it to be honest. More people need to know of the virtues of women.

>>12313765
I just want them to be kept away from harm, that's all. Giving them authoritative power is not a pleasing solution.

>>12313642
I hide it behind my books on the shelf
>>12313822
They're just in a spotlight for mainstream social media, given how it's all drowning in itself the filth of it all should become more easy to recognize I would hope.

>>12313818
Jung did exactly that, it's why most his patients were female and why he had a harem of them loving on him. whereas Freud whined about it and called it a father complex.

>>12287239
Books for this feel?

>>12313818
Most men are in touch with the feminine these days. Women, however, aren't taught the same. They're taught that the masculine is negative, and they never learn that woman is also incomplete without man.

What's the primary difference between xenofeminism and gender acceleration? They seem very similar from what I've read but I've heard people say they are polar opposites

>>12313885
Is it worth picking up Jung, then? I just want to really explore my effeminate nature and my love of women deeper so I can live happier and feel spiritually closer to them. If not, do you have any other recommendations?

>>12314580
You're right that that's a problem, but I guess I'm talking more in the context of this place.

There's a torturous dismissal experessed by many here of all things feminine in favour of hypermasculinity. I have nothing against masculinity and enjoy many of the masculine texts this board likes to praise, but I think it's downright destructive for a man's mental health to deny himself more effeminate passions and pleasures when need be. The feminine has allowed me to view the world through a lens that masculinity alone couldn't provide. Moreover, it's given me a greater faith in humanity and has been a good antidote for pessimism.

Rugged manliness has it's value, but I also wouldn't trade the sublime sensuality associated with femininity for the world.

>>12314812
The sort of /r9k/ anti-woman masculinity you see on here definitely gets annoying after awhile, but my problem with threads like these is that it attracts almost the opposite. There's tons of posts in here by weirdo femdom fetishists talking about how they think the world should be ruled by woman, and that's almost more toxic than what you typically see on 4chan given the crazy submission complex inherent to it.

>>12314863
Sub crazy males sometimes just don't know how to deal with being loved/wanted, or maybe if they're too entangled with a close mother presence and seek out ideal women.
>>12314812
Jung is perfect, though 'ego and the id' is a good short primer. Jung was thought to be the heir of psychoanalysis (and Freud loved him since he wasn't a jew, since a lot of people accusing psychoanalysis as being a jewish project, though ironically Jung turned anti semitic toward the end)

>>12314863
I'd consider femdom fetishism to be a lesser evil. At least that's hot and is based on positivity rather than negativity. Better than the passive aggressive vitriol you have to put with by misogynists in a daily basis. I just get angry when I see people make misyogynistic comments here, because they're digging themselves deeper into their own despair and are fueling an idpol war that I'm quite frankly sick of hearing about.

That's might sound biased considering that I'm a femdom fetishist myself, and could probably be classified as a feminist to a certain degree, but I really feel that the endless bashing on women is just an anti-intellectual exercise in being bitter.

I don't care about /pol/shit and /r9k/shit, I just want to talk about books with people.

>>12314971
>feminist
ugh yeah sorry but I think that your entire opinion here is tainted by this crap. Feminism at this point is just a vehicle for female supremacy, and considering your sexual predilections its no surprise.

I don't see how you can say that voluntary submission is "based on positivity", it's the absolute definition of negativity. It's saying that you are below the person that you are submitting to, that they are better than you so you should attach yourself to them rather than forge out on your own. Woman-hating is rooted in a view in supremacy, and supremacy is a positive self-affirming ideal. The problem with the woman-hating isn't that it's negative because it's not. The problem with woman-hating is that it's entirely based on resentiment. Of course woman-hating is just a response to feminism, which is itself resentimental. It's an endless cycle and at the end of the day I think it's woman-hating that will win because while extreme femininity is entirely solipsistic and self-serving, extreme masculinity has no problem with destroying everything including itself to get a feeling of actualization. Feminism wants to control society and so does hypermasculinity, but the difference is that hypermasculinity has no problem with ripping humanity back into the primitive slime if it can't get it's way. Glory or death, it's certainly a masculine concept.

>>12315143
That's why I said to a certain extent. I believe firmly in women's rights and think women suffering in misogynistc countries need to be helped, but I don't subscribe to whatever SJW nonsense they're peddling now, nor do I think men's rights should be revoked.

Submission though, I will defend in personal relationships. If the individual male consents to submission by a female (which is exactly what submissive men would do given the option), then it's no different from any other sexual arrangement. Speaking personally, I want to be a sub in my relationship with a woman because I'm dominant in every other aspect of my life. To find a woman would would be able to make me forget my day to day problems by embracing me and letting me pour my heart out to her after stoically suppressing my emotions all day would be ideal for me.

for all the idiots who are arguing for or against xenofeminism, try reading something first, so it looks like you actually have some sense of what you're talking about

jesus

http://www.laboriacuboniks.net/20150612-xf_layout_web.pdf

>>12314863
I'm not a "femdom fetishist", I just want a Mommy who will love me and let me love her. A motherly woman who will fill the hole in my heart, both through her own affection towards me and through letting me be affectionate towards her. I don't want a submissive girl, it's not my preferred brand of femininity. I like dominant, motherly women (of my own age), who will lead and guide me, a submissive and trying-to-be-innocent boy, rather than me doing the same for them.

>>12315143
The toxic strands of feminism which you're referencing here are the fringed reaction to the toxic masculinity of past and present. There are plenty of women out there who support the feminist cause, but not the insanity which you find in all those lovely "feminist cringe compilations" on the internet. The point is that you're looking at a fringe, recognized to be such by the people within the ideology, and deeming it the whole movement. It isn't, it's merely that bad apples have become the loudest spokespeople for a movement otherwise docile and full of validity.

>>12315533
Eve and Mary are two sides of the same coin, whore and mother, etc.

>>12315554
I don't have any background in Jung or whoever, sorry anon. I literally don't understand what you're speaking of here.

>>12315533
That's still a type of femdom, anon. You want a woman to hold the dominant position in your person live. That's all femdom is at it's core.

>>12315672
It's progression of archetypes, anon. Or how you'd perceive women.

Eve: women as mothers who cares for the man.
Mary: meaningful relationship and family bond.
Sophia: women as human beings with the same fancies and faults as men.

>>12316976
Well, it's no fetish at the least. It is the very thing my soul yearns for most, and the life I'd like to live.

>>12317214
Oh, okay. Thanks anon.

>>12318257
>it's the thing my souls yearns for
I feel you, my man.

But the question is what can we submissive men do to attract such women? Society encourages women to repress their dominant sides, so finding them becomes difficult. It's even worse for me, because I don't look like the kind of guy who is submissive in public.I'm scared that the fact that I apparently look imposing (according to girls
I've spoken to) will scare off the women I want. I'm sick of having to play the stoic, I just want be showered in love by a girl, to be able to cry into her chest and just show my effeminate soul without shame.

This thread has been a great comfort to me, knowing that there are other women-lovers like me out there. I just hope we can all find our happiness and the girls we love one day.

>>12315204
Well yeah that's a negative arrangement, you're giving up power in a part of your life to a specific woman. And a lot of the people here seem so fucked in the head that they extrapolate this out and say they want to give up power in all of their life to all women in general.

>>12315533
>I just want a motherly figure in my life who I can fuck and also by the way just by coincidence I think the world would be better if women ruled it
This is exactly what I was talking about

>>12315549
Every form of modern feminism I've encountered has been toxic. They get special treatment from every major institution in the nation and then claim to be oppressed. They have student unions, business groups, Fortune 500 support, lobbying groups, special grants, and everything else supporting their cause as an interest group yet somehow we live under "patriarchy". Meanwhile women are vastly outeducating men, out performing them in the workplace, etc because we're actively encouraging it to be that way and "nobody can understand why this is happening". But we still have to act like women are this oppressed silent group. Feminism is absolute lunacy and it should be beat back militantly.

>>12319376
>They get special treatment from every major institution in the nation and then claim to be oppressed. They have student unions, business groups, Fortune 500 support, lobbying groups, special grants, and everything else supporting their cause as an interest group yet somehow we live under "patriarchy".
Because this is a patriarchal trap. Femininity can not be "represented" within the present patriarchal structure, it can not speak. It is not a question of content within patriarchal society (one constituted through the phallus), but rather of form. Symmetry can not be equated with emancipation, no matter how much either neoliberalism or the right attempt to present it as such.

>>12319421
Of course not, femininity is not an outwardly dominant archetype. Feminism seeks to take women and make them into men who are better at being men than actual men, and it's succeeding. You could say that society is structure in a masculine manner, but paradoxically the actual people who are succeeding in this society are women.

>>12319421
Just joined the thread but could you explain this in greater detail? Maybe I’m a brainlet but I don’t get what you mean.

>>12289428
1995 alternate reality

>>12298554
The hell is this

>>12287239
Better kys yourself before it’s too late

>>12291702
The reason there is no equivalent stereotype of "man-child" among women, is that it is assumed that women are emotionally/psychologically children until one demonstrates otherwise, at which point she will be compared to a man.

>>12319475
Not him, but the basic argument is that the kind of feminism that is mainstream nowadays is not true feminism because it seeks to promote women within the context of the patriarchal system rather than dismantling the patriarchy outright. By being encouraged to become careerists and materialists, women are by extension being encouraged to cast aside their femininity to become shallow imitations of men. This doesn't change the system, it simply changes the gender representation of those high up on the social hierarchy. This means that only upper class women benefit and that the majority of women are still subject to economic disadvantages and sexism in society. A textbook example of this is Hilary Clinton-- She claims to be a feminist, yet was instrumental in silencing the women whom her husband sexually assaulted. One could argue therefore that she is merely a puppet of the patriarchy since she actively enabled abuse against women. If you want to look further into this, read up on how Sarah Palin was torn apart in writing by actual feminists for self-identifying as a feminist.

>>12319455
but this is just the re-labeling of gender roles, a few definitions are changed here and there which might result in a slight hierarchical shift yet the entire structure remains the same

someone who actually read the source material or who unironically calls themselves a "xenofeminist" get in here and explain something to me. how is this not just a reterritorialization of already existing systems? the board is being shuffled but the same exact game is being played. what the FUCK is the point? where is the exit?

>>12318618
I don't know, friend. Men like you and me have no Bible to follow to lead us into the lives we desire for ourselves. We are the first explorers on a voyage barely taken by any men before us. The past two-thousand years have seen the subjugation of women at the hands of men, and therefore any society one observes will be an example of patriarchy, and the male-members in them less likely to have been into dominant women, and those who were less likely to have displayed so publicly. Therefore, men like us have no previous cases to look at and follow the lead of. That said, you refer to yourself as "effeminate" often, and I wonder if that's the correct term to use. After all, we're here discussing our love for dominant women and how we desire for them to embrace such a role in the future, rather than remain in the cage of submissiveness which society forces them to follow. Dominance is neither masculine nor feminine, it is simply an essence. And the same goes for submissiveness. Refer to yourself as "sensitive", or "boyish", rather than "effeminate", since that implies the very connection which you and I are trying to eradicate the notions of, this being that "femininity = weakness, submissiveness, etc". Mommy's are dominant, yet still every bit as feminine as any submissive woman would be. Regarding your imposing appearance, try and soften your self-presentation in some manner, such as your choice of clothing or the facial hair you wear.

This thread has been really nice for me as well, and I'm really grateful that OP instigated such a rare, women-positive thread here on /lit/. Sadly, I think this thread's term is soon to be up, and our lovely discussion will see its end. And /lit/ will return to its usual stew of ironic misogyny and also genuine disdain for the fairer sex, yet a flag has been planted. You and me, and several others here and in a few other threads (which I posted in), showcasing our love for them, and our wish to submit to their wondrousness. And hopefully, this change of sentiment will begin to slowly sprout in future threads as well, with additional anons unashamedly exclaiming praise for that unmatched canvas we call Women. And from here, guys like us will be able to browse boards like these with greater ease, no longer having to wade through pools of toxic comments directed at the gender we're smitten with. Take care my fellow female-loving anon, and don't ever change yourself for the sake of the wicked system we live under. Stay true to what your soul desires, and you may one day obtain it. If this thread ends, and I don't speak to you again, it's been wonderful to have a comrade spreading the good word about women, sharing in the same sentiments as I do. Take care.

>>12319660
Lol, no. They are far more mature than men are, and it's often our own immaturity that they have to put up with in a silent struggle. A girl becomes a women by or after her teenage years, but men remain little boys for most of their lives.

>>12316976
Why is that femdom? If a man was dominant to a woman, it's not termed "maledom". Why, then, does the inverse have a word reserved for it? Why can't things just be allowed to be, and not be unfairly labelled?

>>12320342
Thanks for that mommy poster. I just want to say that the impression I get from you is that you're a great person and you'll always be a friend in my book. You deserve your mommy girlfriend.

I don't think this needs to be the end, though. I think more than a few people here are fed up with the misogyny on this board, so we might as well take steps to change that. Making some threads about feminist readings would probably be a start. Time and time again, I've noticed that the majority of people who hate feminism don't know anything about it. A read of The Second Sex and A Room of One's Own was enough to make me dismiss misogyny outright. I've also read some wonderful modern critiques of patriarchy (mainly looking at how capitalism enables it).

You and me (and probably a few other guys too) have a shared enemy in the patriarchy, so there's nothing stopping us from spreading the word of female virtues to the best extent we can.

Keep up the good fight, pal. And have a Happy New Year.

I don't see anything about the book in this thread. What is it about? It has one dope cover.

>>12319455
>Feminism seeks to take women and make them into men who are better at being men than actual men, and it's succeeding.
Jesus, this place...

>>12320327
I haven't read this book and my understanding is that this book isn't even an explicitly xenofeminist work, and that feminist translators in American have translated in such a way to make it into some kind of feminist sci-fi spin when it really isn't in the original edition. Actual xenofeminism argues more in favor of the whole transgender "your identity can be literally whatever you claim" type of thing. That the further away from nature we go the further away from 2 traditionally defined gender roles we go. Obviously there's more to it than that but it's not just "women will be in charge in the future". It's more "there won't be men or women in the future".

>>12320834
Just a reminder that there are people on this board who would unironically believe that this woman did anything wrong.

Makes me sick, tbqh.

>>12320580
Several people have talked about it already. The degree to which it's a feminist text is disputed, but it's alright.

Read Ellul.

>>12320934
Nothing*

>>12320892
Bro
The protagonist is a genderless machine that can take any shape

>>12306289
Not a single TERF in the word has a problem with you wearing dresses and taking dicks up your ass. Their problem is when you declare yourself a woman because you define woman as a person who wears dresses and takes dicks. Also the whole thing about shaming lesbians into having sex with men to validate those mens egos is kinda in bad taste.

>>12306256
No, because being a man or a woman is not an identity, it's biological reality.

>>12298722
can i subscribe to your big boy posts?

>>12295255
It has more to do with females not having genuine emotions and only being able to mimic those they see in men; so when they experience something they can't mimic (genuine friendship and cameraderie) they glitch out and translate it as sexual attraction.

>>12325099
Sure follow me on twitter faggot

>>12325390
You're reading too deep into it. Girls do it because they're perverts and think two males having a sexual relationship is hot. It's no different from when men fantasise about a close female friendship being a lesbian one.

>>12320531
You don't belong on 4chan.

>>12324068
>>12324076
These. I'm not sure why some people tru to reconcile TERF related stuff to feminism, since it undermines the struggles women face. There are several cases of feminists despising trans people for this reason.
>>12325899
God forbid people want to talk about literature and the ideas presented by it on a literature board. Discussion of feminism has just as much a place here as discussions of religion or philosophies like traditionalism.

>>12290529
The longwinded academic definition of a cuck.

>>12291823
This kills the feminist

>>12305578
When you know you're too weak and soft to become a man so you willfully crawl back to mommy

>>12326968
Suffering is meaningless unless there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Being an easily replaceable pawn in increasingly unfriendly working environments isn't manly or dignified, it's tantamount to physical and spiritual slavery.