/lit/ - Literature

>>12297797
mild 'heh'

>dfw it will never be 2013 /lit/ again

>>12297797
DFW was actually just a very elaborate Sam Hyde character. think about it.

>>12297797
Based

>>12297797
>DFW was only ever a meme on /lit/1
>Many of the old posters have gone, haven't seen butterfly2 in a while (hope he ended up writing that Oceania Ulysses)
>The meme trilogy is a meme
>When /pol/ shutdown /lit/ was full of libertarians and nazis who had never read a book in their life--nothing has changed. Most annoying thing was they would claim brainwashing and ideology at college but refused to look at their own brainwashing and ideology3.

1. A board that peaked with Kolski in 2012
2. There were a number of people who had 'tags' differentiating themselves from anonymous postersa
3. this annoyed me the most

a. posting on /lit/ is by default anonymous

boys, we must resurrect the cult of DFW.

get started on those shrines.

>>12297849
>get started on those shrines
You jest (geddit?), but I'll actually do this. Look for my post in a month or so.

>dfw
Lmao. How has this not become a /lit/ meme yet

>>12297797
this is one of the greatest posts ive seen here.
>dfw lit has been ruined
our lamentation does nothing to make it better :(. i suppose its best to leave here. i probably spend more time here than reading, and i do a lot of reading. im gonna put away my laptop for now.

>>12297881
Seeya tomorrow

>>12297863
i believe you. and i believe somesuch action is necessary for the good of the /lit/. if we do not have a meta-meme that we can deploy to either elevate and lift the discussion, or to spam and bludgeon it to death, we will always be considered a lesser-board.

>>12297797
>engineering majors to talk about philosophy
Those are actually science majors. Engies just read history

how much sweat did DFW lick from behind the knees and the various pits and folds of passed out undergraduate girls?

/lit/ used to be like 50% western canon posting and 50% Pynchon/DFW pomo memeing

>>12298021
where do we stand now?

I've read Joyce and Pynchon, but not DFW. Should I read Wallace's Infinite Brick of Text too?

>>12298037
50% off-topic pol-posting
48% Christ LARPing
2% Literature

>>12297797
Yeah I'm on board with this meme
I have never read DFW

>>12297814
>two thousand and twellvuuuh
>reading for plot
>Tell her she is my property
>she leaves

>>12298060
how else do achieve the triple crown?

>>12298060
yeah, it's good. especially if you are a sad burnout twentysomething.

>>12297797

Should DFW have had a family? Would that have saved him?

I can’t wait until it becomes edgy to like dfw again

>>12297797
If it's a DFW thread, I expect footnotes. Good job OP, you did the bare minimum.

>>12298225
we are become the footnotes, anon.

DFW is garbage. FUBU for pampered suburbanites who want to be academics. Shit's practically paint-by-numbers.

>>12298251

Honestly, as much as I dislike some of the current trends on /lit/, I don't miss the Wallaceposting THAT much. Infinite Jest is very overrated.

>>12298060
only if you've got time to kill, you could prob find better things

>>12298296
very simple, yet poignant bait.

>>12298296
this, get a grip OP, dfw is corny trash, the man hanged himself for christs sake

>>12297797

Just post Good Old Neon and move on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f-Q9GHmJGc

>>12297871
It was for a very long time

>>12297849

as in ebola-chan type shrines? are we trying to please the spirit of DFW?

>>12297797
God do I miss all the daveposting

>kolsti nguyen
>TLOTIAT, Hypersphere
>all the shit follow-up attempts (Tokyo Drift, Quagga, Dreamscape, the YA book)
>when Murakami was popular, peaking around the release of 1Q84
>meme trilogy
>second meme trilogy
>gassposter
>corncob mccarthy
>people pretending to have read Zettel's Traum, Women and Men, and other incomprehensible pomo doorstoppers
>homeless husserl scholar
>the guy who tried to create a viral campaign for his manuscript by sending to publishes via pizza deliveries
>"he realized, with a sort of laugh, that every joke he'd told recently had been at his own expense"
>tao lin shilling himself
>londonfrog
>stretched his legs
>james joyce love letters
>discussing plato with the black guy on the subway
>tfwdfw
>David's World

i tried reading good old neon and its just some guy talking to his therapist who cares

>>12298070
go commit Hemingway

>>12302133
Lick my balls

>>12301503
no place like lit eh, heh heh

Silicon Valley had DFW suicided because he wouldn't sign up for Twitter and become a zogbot permacuck stooge for the technocrats and their maniacal hypothalamus-eating patrons

>foo in the boo

can DFW's son or daughter write a sequel to IJ about the wheelchair commandos attacking ETA?

>>12304034
nobody can take DFW's throne

>>12304052

Reddit's literally writing an Infinite Jest sequel as we speak. It's an invite only sub and no I can't even mention it because I don't want to distract the team with new member orientation

>>12304085
>nobody can take DFW's throne
>there's a group pub

i mean, you've already failed. it's immediately obvious that a group pub does not match the definition of a single author carrying the torch for macroliterature.

>>12297797
I liked the Pinecone DFW conspiracy theory the best.

>>12304099

We're writing it footnotes first, which I think DFW would derive much jest from our so doing. So far reviewers love the project and we're all about inclusivity, a major theme in all DFW works

>>12297900
Go look at the “w-what’s your major bros?” threads, they’re all CS and Engie niggers with a small group of almost as annoying pre-law insects

>>12304331
what kind of inclusivity/diversity is in IJ? canadians? I guess there is class diversity

>>12304357

>>12304373
please do not do irony on our humble tibetan yak-breeding signpost

>>12304357

From a feminist perspective, the absence of inclusivity demands we as critical readers create what inclusivity would look like if DFW could have been more educated on his privilege, or better yet non-white

>>12304409

>>12304409
Yeah what would it have looked like? We could have that as well. DFW will still be there, now we can just write about other stuff... ?

>>12304412
Lol a real leftist would think this sign sucks bc women can have beards

>>12304426
brother..... you're in too deep a cover.

>>12304427
No thats just my actual opinion. Its whacky what you guys think leftists are like

>dfw /lit/ despices ESL*1 as much as DFW publicly*2 did.
1.English as a Second Language, a derogatory term*a for immigrants who attend at school or simillar academic job.
a.DFW bitched about cruise ship workers' servicemanship for not understanding his delicate demands upon who and why should the specific man on the ship*a1 bring his luggage. Supposed to be fun thing I'll never do again, the Page of the Durex Netflix and Chill in Original version.
a1.the DFW very himself, because he doesn't want to be seem to be pampered for himself.

2.He publicly blamed his african-american*a college student on his english class for she used something he called as "Ebonics", which he would never torelates. He even mocked Martin Ruther King and his very death to 'convince' her. Later, he was accused for racism by that incident which he easily bailed out, because himself and dean were the only people to decide this case. Later that later, he proudly wrote it for shilling Garner's english grammar dictionary.
a.Doesn't mean her ownership was on DFW's hand, by the way he blamed for sexually exploiting his consciouly young women students after his death.

>>12297814
this one actually hurts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV2o0Kn0yuI

>>12302133
You mean Hemmmmmmmmmmingway

>that part of the pale king where the guy talks about how insecure about sweating he was in high school

>>12301503
>>second meme trilogy
whats that

>>12297833
Explain this. But you must know that I have pretty average knowledge of Sam Hyde and MDE. I saw that Casa Bonita flick about DFW tho.

>>12297797
/pol/ has ruined this site

>>12304409
jesus FUCKING christ how do you people end up on 4chan

ill read it when I feel like it but for now I will sail my shitboat across the shitty sea and shitpost for eternity

>>12298077
can't forget
>did Holden rape phoebe?

>>12301503
>>kolsti nguyen

I was trying to remember this cunts name just this morning, wonder how he's doing lol

>>12304409
Reading this made me feel like I'm on some left-wing youtuber's circlejerk of a comment section.

>>12304409
This has to be bait. Regardless, please, I’m asking you politely to kill yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXvAd7COpJY

>>12298060
Start with This is Water or Oblivion. Move on to Brief Interviews, Consider the Lobster, and A Supposedly Fun Thing. Top it off by rereading "Good Old Neon." Skip the tomes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blnnQMEAfo8

>>12306727
i clapped

>>12301503
I miss gassposter.
And now Gass too.

>>12305954
>gold watch

>>12297797
I got Tai Pei for Christmas this year; did Tao Lin actually shill on /lit/?

I seem to remember all of the threads on him in 2013-14 were all joke threads (like 'Go to bed Tao', 'Voice of a Generation', 'Selected Tweets' etc.) Honestly if there was an attempt to shill anyone here it was Joshua Cohen.

>>12304550
>the entire part about the girl who was sexually abused growing up with her whore mother

The main thing I miss is how everyone would sage personal or oot posts, you'd check the thread and most names would be in blue, maybe someone would hide a joke in their options but mostly it was just letting the thread die if it had no real content.

That and capsloq guy, out of all the weird characters he actually made me read certain stuff. But I guess I miss us having weird characters.

>>12306795
how fast people would forget about him and the make a million threads made it look like shilling, and if it was himself that makes it pathetic-fun so we just believe.

>>12298105
Too real, anon

>>12304331

I heard about this Reddit project. It's pretty based. I think every generation and demographic needs its own Infinite Jest. Whites have there's, so theyre ok. But what about the Inglewood Basketball Academy?

>>12297797
I loved Broom of the System. Infinite Jest was a slog and I stopped reading it shortly after the first end note was DFW thinking the reader doesn't know what meth was.

>>12308164
Same. BOTS gets better with every read, while IJ is Wallace strained on every page, having shot is wad back in grad school.

>>12306795
Tao insists that he didn't create threads, but he did keep a google alerts of his name and respond to threads on here in a way that was shill-like

So, what's out game plan? how do we make /lit/ as good as it was again?

>>12297797

Why have we strayed from what DFW taught us about publishing on the reg and the transient literary life of living by meet-the-author cash envelopes and smashing only the best audience bunny. He taught us to love our readers because it makes the transition to their futon more graceful, especially amongst libidinous literary types. But DFW also insisted that we love ourselves. Tell the groupie whore to slow her tug because you had yet another Big Mac after this and you were doing this for your readers, selflessly, really.

>>12297797
the 4 footnote should be a.
Also youre missing your qv.s, that shit is necessary

>>12308903
time travel

unironically that 2010-2014 or so feeling can’t be replicated again, it was sort of a generational thing, like the retarded version of Paris in the 20’s, just enjoy that it happened

>>12308903
all of 4chan is suffering from the same problems. /pol/'s explosion has tainted the entire site, every single board is being overrun by /pol/tards who can't help but bring their alt-right shit into every single conversation they have on this site. Something as innocuous as a discussion on cycling in /n/ now will inevitably devolve into a rant about "jews" or "niggers".

the most ironic thing is that most of the posters are incredibly new to 4chan, but will pretend like this has always been their site to push their ideology. before /v/ started that gamergate shit, there was very little political discussion here. you had some conservatives, you had some communists and you had a majority of posters that didn't really care much for politics in general. boards that were innately more political, like /lit/, were often left leaning if anything.

/pol/ has done more damage to this site than /b/ ever could and I don't think we're ever going to recover.

>>12309571
/pol/ gets the blame, but that's just half the problem. People have to remember that eras are a sort of unique phenomenon in history without clear beginnings or ends. The example above of Paris in the 20's, San Francisco in the 60's (the high-water mark story by Thompson comes to mind) 4chan from 2003-2014. That era of which /lit/ was a part of was more-or-less dead the time moot quit. There was no saving it. It was just as much because of the retarded /v/edditors as it was with the people who spent their teens on /b/ and their 20's on /sp/ growing up and moving on. These sort of eras as a rule of thumb apply mostly to people of a certain age. The guy who was a college freshman outcast in 2003 when 4chan first went up is 33 now. Let's use as another example, the listless college freshman who discovers a love for literature as an undecided major and turns to /lit/ in 2010 when this board was created. He was probably browsing /b/ since he was at least 15, came on as a chanology newfag who killed /b/, but was a poster on the golden age of /lit/. He's 26 now, probably leaving a graduate school, no more connected to the 15 year old's of 2018 than our friend the orginalfag is to him.

In this view, the /pol/fags aren't villains as much as they are sort of tragic figures. 4chan lost its soul for good in 2014. Since then, everything has been just going through the motions. These people now who are 13-20 or so are trying to recreate the same thing that happened here five to 15 years ago , but the fact is that they are just sort of LARPing. There is no longer a cultural force on 4chan. It is sort of like a historical town that still pays people to dress up like it's the 1800's so tourists can go in and gawk and take pictures and look at the people living primitive lives. Nothing is being pushed forward, everyone is going through the motions. It is simply a place for redditors to go on vacation and say nigger.

>>12309771
an astute assessment anon, but then why are we still here?

been on /lit/ since ~ '12 and it's completely changed yet here I am

>>12309771
It’s not like /pol/posting has just spread through 4chan. The comments section of my favorite economics blog is now like 7/44. Even on the street in my city I saw one white guy yell “you’re a white male” at another white guy. Like what the hell is going on there?

>>12309803
Where you gonna go?

>>12306831
Why would you want that at all? This is a community centered around /lit, /lit is it's focus but it's still a community above all, which requires jokes and ot posts. If you want pure /lit how about you stop the pseudary and actually read?

>>12309771
>>12309860

While shrewd observations, there's many a cohort that wind up here for whatever reason and many more still lurk than dare participate. To some extent there's always an organic element that can't be quite generalized. Instead you can only lurk and try to understand that element's membership. There's a yearly, seasonal and cultural event driven periodicity to 4chan that make claims such as "it's shit and has always been shit," that reminds me of otherwise smart people concluding the economy is tanking because an index plummeted in measure.

>>12309871
it's like taking your hat off when you get inside, just pointless manners that we do to show off how nice we are and be superior to others. Why wouldn't you enjoy that?

>>12308164
>footnotes are for inform readers
You know novels are not textbook, right? Anyway BoS and girl with the curious hairs were both mistake, inferior unfinished prototype of IJ. His essays are way much better.

>>12297833
>DFW was actually just a very elaborate Sam Hyde character. think about it.
Would you care to explains this?

>meme trilogy
Wait is this actually a thing? I’ve genuinely been wanting to read those for a while now and only sort of browse /lit/

>>12304409
I think the novel could have benefited from John Wayne being a girl, creating a character who demonstrates that girls can be better than boys at sports and introducing a lesbian affair between her and Avril.

>>12298077
>>Tell her she is my property
>>she leaves
Damn forgot all about that one. Lost my old folders, post some canon Stirner posting pls

>>12311413
>dat feel when was actually just a...
You’re using the acronym incorrectly

>>12297797
DFW is a trash gen x writer.

Footnotes? Get the fuck out of here with that self indulgent bullshit

>>12312838
yes but not because they're considered bad books, just because they get posted a lot and a lot of people have opinions on them without actually having read them - go ahead and read them, they're spammed a lot for a reason

>>12309520
shit shit shit no. I didn't use that time wisely, I couldve made more friends

>>12297845
My name is spelled Kolsti, actually.

>>12314012
What would you consider a non-indulgent way to write a novel? Novels are inherently self-indulgent.

>>12297797
>this board has become a place for engineering majors to talk about philosophy2
This but fucking unironically. Why couldn't those soulless beady-eyed autists stay on their shit board?

>>12309771
>There is no longer a cultural force on 4chan. It is sort of like a historical town that still pays people to dress up like it's the 1800's so tourists can go in and gawk and take pictures and look at the people living primitive lives. Nothing is being pushed forward, everyone is going through the motions. It is simply a place for redditors to go on vacation and say nigger.
Best post on this zombie of a basket weaving forum, can't wait for tomorrow to end and leave this graveyard permanently.

>>12314857
See you on January 1st, anon

>>12314857
it's childish nostalgia, anon. 4chan is a means of communication. it did not magically attract some kind of wunderkind talent that made its early years a kind of cultural shangri-la, nor are its contributions ended because some anon "said it was so".

>>12314770
That’s the point since they’re already self-indulgent there is no need to go overboard

>>12306727
This is post layed some serious psychic shit on me. May the post-modern absence of God damn this horrible image and fiendishly catchy show-tune pairing.^1

1. The music made me smile, but the fleshlight's portrait like resemblance of the author had me shocked.

>>12312889
shitposting or not I would've been into this