/lit/ - Literature

>>12251561
Is like a picture of food, but it ain't.

>>12251561
it's when old french guys crave cock and feel disgusted but also aroused by themselves for doing so.

>>12251561
It's cyberpunk neo-feudal Nazism but the chosen people are internally homogeneous global classes of high ‘socio-economic status’ and not exclusively biological ‘aryans’. He argues for racially based ur-tribal homogenous absolutist micro-states, where unregulated capitalism combines with genetic separation between global elites and the low-IQ ‘refuse’ which are a drain on net production.

You cant know nuffin

https://youtu.be/zmYegIGhwtc

And watch the rest of his content

You're welcome

>>12251606
>let's reclaim the term cuck
>take it back from the man
>so brave, so non-conformist

Post modernism is the best thing to happen in literature and philosophy. Its about changing the narrative and pushing the envelope...

>>12251613
Why so angry, chum?

c'est nest un pipe


Owo

>>12251621
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN
STOP TELLING ME THE IMPLICATIONS OF IT AND HOW GOOD OR BAD IT IS JUST TELL ME WHAT IT ISS

It's the cultural result.of a generation trained on a canon that includes modernist thought and is attempting to respond to modernism in the same way modernism respondef to victorianism.

>>12251606
A decent fucking response on this thread

>>12251649
Subverting the narrative and turning everything into destructive propaganda.

>>12251561
It's a response to Modernism. Modernism thought that it could break down the academic order because progress was going to give us all access to all the information so everyone would obviously read it and become more progressive and global and understood through systems and objective sounding things like science.

Around about the atom bomb explosions and L Ron Hubbard starting his mental health career, people began to doubt that this was actually the case and supposed that given access to all the information and each other, humans were going to be dicks. People start to live innawoods and with a fear of technology again, so it's postmodern by having access to the modern and rejecting it, as opposed to being natively primitive, and the potential to systemically globalise but rejecting it in favour of desystemised proximity.

>>12251649
It's an academic label for a movement of modern thought in the humanities, mostly aesthetics and philosophy. People like to make noise about the ambiguity or complexity of postmodernism but I think that's mostly self congratulatory academics making a glorified in-joke.
Like any label defining an artistic movement it is variously defined by groups or individuals identifying with it in ways which reinforce their own ideas. It becomes then a collection of ideas, and to some extent whatever claims to be postmodern, is. As it was with the modernists, the surrealists, the Romantics, and so on. Each with number of manifestoes and textbook definitions all contradicting one another. These kind of labels are probably best understood to be describing the spirit of a time, a collective conscious, a network of parallel ideas and conversations, not a proprietary idea off of which others consciously build.
It is thereafter defined like pornography, a "know it when you see it" type deal. So nobody has authority, or else everyone does. But as the memes go it's about self-reflexivity and intertextuality, which in its most trivial form emerges as a book which acknowledges it is a book and plays with the reader for reading it like a book and in the more serious form looks human culture as an interaction of culture with itself backed by power, or another way to put it: memes. Probably everything you are into on the internet right now will be canonically postmodern within the next five or ten years, if we don't come up with another label to replace it before that.

Weird for the sake of weird

>>12251561
Fundamentally, it's man losing faith in himself. There you go.

>>12251561
Drugs and homosexuality

>>12251561
it's a movement of neo marxist liberal fascists who act in a clique to undermine classical liberalism by putting black women in video games

>>12252033
This but unironically.

>>12251606
This.

But to tl;dw PoMo is a scepticism toward meta-narratives. As in any world view/ideology that totalizes one's outlook of the world. EG Christianity, Marxism, Nazism, etc.

>>12251788
Po-Moe?

>>12251561
post modernism is the questioning of prior beliefs and systems
it's a self reflection by a transcendent humanity

Juden "Baal" Peterstein is an autist who's trying to make his shitty low IQ psychology thing into philosophy but he's failing HARD

>>12251788
sneed

>>12252074
Old /pol/ at least had a sense of humor about their insanity. Posts like these are just signs of grug tier cognitive limitations.

>>12252096
I agree. I like Juden Peterstein now.

>>12251561
You're welcome.

>>12251561
It's a family-resemblance term for a cluster of intellectual and cultural movements and trends; like most family-resemblance terms, it's hard to give an informative definition.

Still, I think most of the things that strike me as recognizably postmodern tend to be ironic expressions of pessimism about knowledge or effective action in some domain. Modernist literature and philosophy challenged established systems of value and representation with the aim of attaining some deeper truth (e.g. about the human condition); postmodern literature and philosophy also challenges established systems of value or representation, but tends to doubt that attaining some deeper truth is possible or, at least, that it's particularly worth the effort. Analogously, modernist politics organized; postmodernist politics tweets.

Honestly, the difference between old Simpsons/new Simpsons is pretty analogous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqFNbCcyFkk

>>12252077
based

>>12251629
He’s got a point. I like that guy’s videos but the name’s so fucking terrible.

Plato (Ancient philosophy): Parmenides was right
Descartes (Modern philosophy): Anaxagoras was right
Hegel (Contemporary philosophy): Heraclitus was right
Deleuze (Post-Modern philosophy): Protagoras was right
p reductionistic, but that's about it.

THE NAME OF AN ART MOVEMENT FROM THE SECOND HALF OF THE 20TH CENTURY THAT HAD A FOCUS ON IRONY, SUBVERSION, AND META SELF REFERENCE. NOW THAT IT'S CLICHE AND OUT OF FASHION IT'S USED FOR POLITICAL SMEAR

>>12253644
but how does that relate to politics? i see many people self describe as/labelled as post modernists but i dont know how irony can develop politically

>>12251561
It's might be better to explain what Structuralism, Post-Structuralism, Deconstructionism, etc are, and how they all relate which makes Postmodernism.

>>12253756
WHAT THE FUCK
WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS SHIT MEAN AND WHY IS THERE NO CONSISTENT DEFINITION

>>12251561
After Modernism

>>12251649
modernism is "make it new", tearing down traditionalist ideals and aesthetics and replacing them with weird modernism

postmodernism in contrast to modernism defies ideals. instead of making it new, postmodernism internalizes the idea of not making anything anything

thats how i understand it at least

>>12251561
Post-modernism is a collection of different stances (sometimes in conflict with each other; see Derrida v. Foucault, or Deleuze v. Lacan, or Baudrillard v. Foucault, for examples), that seem to be expansions off of the work of either Nietzsche or Heidegger, usually reacting to figures like Hegel, Marx, Freud, Husserl, or Saussure. Their work can be characterized as skepticism of a radical variety, usually directed at discursive accounts of knowledge or essentialism metaphysics. They're better understood when read alongside whatever they're commenting on, or in light of the late modern philosophers mentioned above.

It should be emphasized that their primary touchstones are Nietzsche and Heidegger, and not Marx (Jameson might be an exception here).

>>12253907
wow great

was i right here >>12253899

>>12251576
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>12251606
BASED cuckphilosophy

>>12252356
the name is the best part faggot. what happened to 4chan liking being subversive?

>>12253929
its not subversive on his case though, he's said that he wants to reclaim the word. The problem is that its original form isnt exactly graceful either.
Anyways, yeah Cuckphilosophy is good, even though i dont agree with him he's clearly head and shoulders above a lot of those awful types of youtube political commentators like Contrapoints, Hbomberguy or Styxxhexenhammer.

>>12251561
its called having too much time on your hands

>>12253914
I have reservations about the description of modernism, but I think you nail the "essence" of postmodernism. It seems to be the strange experience of a bunch of different thinkers almost simultaneously thinking there's either no ground, or much less ground to rationality and the Enlightenment project then had been realized. Nietzschean abyss starers frustrated by the lack of grounds (except perhaps in the arbitrary will to power) for their hopes for peace, freedom, equality.

Post Modernism says the future is a thing of the past.

>>12251561
Is your room clean? No? That's Post Modernism.

>>12253956
reclaiming something is a form of subversion

>>12254105
not in the way 4chan subverts, which is what i was talking about.

>>12252074
Is this bait?
A concatenation of buzzwords does not an opinion make.

>>12252356

i concur :)

>>12252245
>the simpsons was a ferocious satire and expression of social upheaval and unrest

fukcing undergrads

>>12252245
>Super Eyepatch Wolf
I hate his voice so goddamn much.

>>12251561
Uh the period after modernity

>>12253899

This hit way too hard jesus christ., fucking thorough

>>12253899
Sounds pretty accurate from what I've observed except the part of "I profoundly appreciate art", the guys I know are uncultured swines but sure they read Infinite Jest the stoner, Stirner, and the russians (though Kafka not so much, and kierkegaard only in this board...), also I don't think they reject alright or libertarians but many do take fringe political choices that are neither, I don't think guys research that much about camera lenses, and they might like reddit (not every young guy is a 4channer). Vim is easy to use but I'm not entirely convinced that it's the editor of choice, and yep it fits pretty well.. (though not in my case lol)

>>12251561
At least the meaning the word in literature has for me is when you deconstruct the whole story.
Think about Little Red Riding Hood and how straightforward the story is right? if you attempt to rewrite the story think about what is happening at every moment in the story, think about their thoughts, analyze their psychological profiles and why they think like that and act the way they do, think what is happening parallel to the story and parallel to those stories, what happened in the past and what is gonna happend in the future, and while you rewrite the story think about yourself as the author and what those characters and the story expect from you, because supposedly you have realized stories aren't moving fordward, it's an expanding sphericity that exist and existed and it can reach all levels, you are able to use every existing concept and deny any of these too, because that is also possible, I think these makes sense and is not hard to understand.

>>12255546
>>12254708
its just loosely connected things that the maker didn't like that has a vague connection to 4chan across all boards, i doubt it was thought through to any good degree

>>12253899
So literally just nihilism?

its a spook

>>12253705
>i dont know how irony can develop politically
just look at NAZBOL / White Juche

>>12251561


>objective bad, subjective good.
>facts aren't real.
>everything is relative.
>west bad, everywhere else good

>>12253915

they're trying to be ebin smart guy memelord

>>12253899
>Protagoras
But a lot of these examples are post-post-modern, or ironically post-modern.

>>12257535
How do you know

when the scientific utopia didn't happen everyone decided to be sarcastic about it rather than admit the entire project was bankrupt to begin with and return to based Catholicism

>>12257533
this but inironically

A mistake

Basically a deconstruction of the aspired "universal truths" of modernism