/lit/ - Literature

>>12245471
Is this real?

>>12245471
be there or be square

>>12245471
*sniff*

>>12245471
battle of the pseuds

where does pinko fit into this

holy... is this it, bros? im frightened

>>12245471
LETS FUCKING GO

>>12245471

Zizek will suplex his spine in half.

>>12245471
Peterson couldn't even keep up with fucking David Benatar.
This will be a massacre for Mr. Wash Your Penis

>>12245506
>>12245515
>/lgbt/ actually believes this

>>12245471
I have this fanasy of Zizek and Dugin ripping apart Peterson from the Left and the Right with mumbling eastern Euro accents and nervous ticks while Peterson just stands there crying out the same old tired muh individualism, muh civic nationalism, muh capitalism bullshit. Would feel good.

I want to see Peterson fail to contain his laughter at Zizek's incessant sniffing

>>12245521
HOLY FUCKING BASED

>>12245521
>t. poltard with a poor understanding of all the people he namedropped

>>12245521
Orthodox Neo-Stalinism is the future

>>12245471
AHHHHHHHHHHH

>>12245471
https://youtu.be/-ftaltfEdEo?t=214

>>12245577
>that audience
kek

>>12245471
Battle on.

Zizek spends the whole time slurping on his own tongue while Peterson has to excuse himself because there might be a little bit of dirt on his penis

I don't see either Zizek or Peterson winning. I think they'd agree on much actually.
I think a debate with either of them against Pinker would be an actual debate.

>>12245577
>actual communist invited to cambridge
and people will unironically tell you that academia isn't a red cesspool.

this sounds like it will be embarrassing for both parties

>>12245601
Zizek is about as communist as a Cuban-themed nightclub desu

>>12245492
He will moderate

So which of these three do you guys hate the most? Pinker for me.

>>12245630
Communists all have their own ways to achieve communism. Not all of them want to do it through social justice and globalism like some people here seem to think

>>12245594
No one ever "wins" a debate. They just talk through each other until it's over. They probably are similar but they would still argue over definitions of things

>>12245660
this, fans of each camp are going to gloat and circle jerk over how their guy has successfully btfo the other guy.

>>12245506
>>12245521
>>12245594
I unironically (and ironically) like Zizek, but he isn't much of a debater. Every time he had a discussion with someone who has different or even opposing views (Bernard Henry Levy, Will Self, David Horowitz etc.) Zizek always stuck to his jokes and routines and in the end he'll avoid confrontation or just retreat into a position where he doesn't have the answers but neither does his opponent. Here's the script in advance:

>P: Communism bad!
>Z: I agree, communism mean something else for me.
>P: Identity politics bad!
>Z: I agree, but for radical leftist and Lacanian reasons!
>P: Christianity good!
>Z: I agree, as an atheist christian!
>P: Muh lobsters
>Z: This reminds me of that old soviet joke about...

I cut out the buckos and the sniffs/and so on's due to space constraints, but you get the idea.

>>12245652
>Communists all have their own ways to achieve communism
Can't this logic just be used to say whoever you disagree with is a communist, no matter how varied their opinions are? I might as well say everyo

>>12245668
*everyone who disagrees with me is a conservative cuck, which is obviously ridiculous.

fuck

hope they both take a strong stance against anti-semitic alt-rightists

This will suck due to them both wilfully misunderstanding each other.

>>12245582
10/10 couple, would form a philosophical threesome with

>>12245666
The virgin debate vs the chad dialectic

>>12245676
and antinatalists

>>12245676
>I hope they are as boring as possible

Or maybe I just missed your sarcasm. Either way, cultural marxism is probably the one subject where they won't find common ground even though there should be many such subjects.

>>12245660
>PETERSON DESTROYS LEFTIST
>SAM HARRIS HUMILIATES CHRISTIAN
Why are sub100 iq so violent bros? This applies to this board too btw, 90% of anons operate on the same principle

>>12245692

>>12245709
>SAM HARRIS HUMILIATES CHRISTIAN
except if you actually watched those videos you'd know that the titles are correct

>>12245709
The same reason people started calling one another NPCs. Its easier and more viral to dismiss someone else as an idiot or even non-sentient than to admit complexity and nuance.

>>12245471
JB Peterstein is fucked

>>12245692
>philosophical threesome
Why not Das Philosophische Quartett?

>>12245739
Damn, posted wrong pic. Wanted pic related. Same LOGIC, FACTS and OBLITERATION though.

>>12245668
Communists share some basic tenets like a classless society

/lit/ has it's own Logan Paul vs CSI now

>>12245758
keep this up and send it to him before the debate. start chipping away at his psyche

>>12245706
What if Zizek somehow cleared up Peterson's misunderstanding on the issue by stating that liberal identity politics casually borrows vocabulary from Marxist groups, without actually taking up the core of its beliefs, which is its opposition to unregulated markets, and then following that up by saying that Stalinism (just like Maoism), given the fact that it does not give the actual worker the freedom to control the means to his production, is not a proper implementation of Marxist communism.
Therefore, unless workers were perfectly free to control the means of production and fully enjoy the fruit of their labour, they would not be living under true communism. Capitalism (economic liberalism) gives freedom to business owners. State capitalism gives freedom to the state.
But identity politics is not freedom for minorities. It's the tyranny of identities.

>>12245758
His son looks retarded. Who would have thought... bully raise frightened children

>>12245786
these are some awful mental gymnastics.

>>12245790
>>12245758
>>12245714
>>12245582
based

>>12245762
>>12245739
kek

>>12245795
These is the problem of your ilk and why youre all pseudointellectuals. You respond to actual arguments built on reason with emotivism and then claim others aren’t reasonable. Youre hypocrites and unaware ones at that.

>>12245666
most accurate prediction itt

>>12245706
Cultural marxism isn’t even a real thing. It’s literally a reactionary boogeyman. The figures attached to it (Frankfrut school, postmodernists) have little to do with what’s usually associated with it. And these idiots who claim it exists have no actual knowledge of any othese guys’ theories and how they apply to these supposed cultural marxist ideas.

Ciderjunge vs Snifflboy
A battle for the centuries

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>>12245852
>have little to do
The problem is the way leftists like to define "little" in this context, which in reality just translates to a smoke screen for "literally everything".

>>12245864
kek

The two memelords who circle around overly complex systems of discourse just to arrive at an easy platitude are going to face off

So that sniffing thing Zizek does...
that's because of cocaine right?

>>12245876
Jungian psychology isn't that complex

>>12245878
Unfortunately not, its just a tick or something

>>12245878
he denies it, make of that what you will.

>>12245666
This is the most accurate guess however I could see Peterson attacking Zizek for this, forcing him to break routine. I could also see Zizek mopping the floor with Peterson’s lens of jungian analysis since I’m pretty sure Zizek is much much more well read in psychoanalysis in every facet

>>12245869
D-DADDY

debates are pointless trash that never actually prove anything, people who liked person A going into the debate, chances are, will like person A leaving it. The neutral, unopinionated sort of folk aren't much for viewing even pop intellectual debates these days and even if they were their presence would further detract from an already vapid experience.

Simply read JP and read Zizek, you do not need to watch them argue to know where they stand and where the contention between them lies. Peterson is far, far out of his league in an intellectual engagement with Zizek because he gets very simple facts of history patently wrong (ie, conflating marxism with postmodernity when marxism is in fact a very solidly modernist form of socialism) and also struggles with more complex terms of philosophy. Look at his definition of dasein and you'll realize that he basically engages with philosophy at an undergraduate level. The man entered into a debate with Sam Harris, king of the brainlets, and managed to spend the entire time quibbling over semantics and also ironically outing himself as a postmodernist through defining truth as not only not objective, but also as something which is useful (ie, literally anything can be true if you want it to be).

>>12245878
It would be funny if they had doping control before the debate.
Maybe also weighing their publications

>>12245660
excuse me this is 2018, my team winning means more than discussing issues or seeking solutions

>>12245901
but it's fun

>>12245881
yeah it is. that doesn't mean it's difficult to understand tho.

ROUND ONE

FIGHT!

doesn't a debate like this require a moderator?

obv not this guy but still

>>12245929
he would be a good moderator though

>>12245521
>muh civic nationalism

Isn't Zizek against nationalism?

>Dugin

Why the love for this man, he's literally an imperialist with unrealistic dreaming.

>>12245940
>Why the love for this man, he's literally an imperialist with unrealistic dreaming.
People love guru type dudes with funny accents.

Jung vs Lacan

If Zizek asked Peterson if Lobsters should be allowed to wear makeup to work what would Peterson say?

>>12245867
Like?

These figures (like Foucault for example) derived their arguments on strictly methodological approaches based on strong reason and mecessary logic, meanwhile contemporary identity politics and noeliberalism base their arguments on political ideologies and emotivism (which these figures strongly opposed). Derrida’s deconstruction can readily be applied to the left’s ideals.

>>12245940
Zizek is pro nationalism but in a really specific way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oizkRx_37zM

>>12245492
Ass

>>12245965
>These figures (like Foucault for example) derived their arguments on strictly methodological approaches based on strong reason and mecessary logic
This is just high effort baiting desu.

>>12245867
are you the same retard who thought the FFS was anti-rationalist?

>>12245970
You havent read any of them and I know this for a fact. The big pomo figures simply reach the obvious logical conclusions that analytics (for example) refuse because it would undermine traditional knowledge. The whole of Foucault’s Archeology of the Sciences and the concept of the Episteme is some of the most elucidatory works their is. It even makes sense from a cognitive psych pov. Im certain you’re not familiar with it since your ilk generally doesnt read anything that doesnt already promise to support your predetermined irrational conlusions.

>>12245998
>Im certain you’re not familiar with it since your ilk generally doesnt read anything that doesnt already promise to support your predetermined irrational conlusions.
*tips*

>>12246003
>he's asking for a rational argument! quick! back to the buzzwords! mayday!

>>12245506
They will talk past each other. See Sam Harris vs Jordan Peterson 1. Only this time Peterson will be the Harris.

>>12245998
Idiot nominalists

>>12246008
You literally just you use big words to say that he is stupid.

>>12246008
>posts asshurt buzzword avalanche
>accuses others of using buzzwords

>>12246017
Foucault explicitly denies nominalism. The whole purpose of the Episteme is to establish a higher order by which taxonimic categories in the sciences are established and that they are not purely arbitrary categories created by people and that they can be determined and understood in a much larger context. Again more evidence you guys dint actually read and simply parrot what others say.

>>12246026
>any of those
>bug words
Im sorry but this is /lit/, not ifunny.

>>12246030
>accuses liberals of being snowflakes that cant handle logic and reason and rely on buzzwords and calling people racists and other icsts
>is too unable to engage in argument and depends on calling others buzzwords
When fighting monsters, make sure you dont become one

>>12246044
what a sassy girl.

>>12246017
What's idiotic about nominalism?

>>12246026
>>12246030
that was my first post ITT.
the fag you replied to at least constructed his own sentence. you failed to even be original let alone posture against a real opponent. I'm just pointing out that it's pathetic.

>>12246047
Look at you go, make daddy Peterson proud by avoiding the argument further through memes. Im sure you feel very proud being a total pseud.

>>12246056
there's no argument, there's not even an "us", there's just you having a meltdown.

>>12246061
It’s strange that you interpret a coherent response as a meltdown simply because it doesnt fit your desired position. Yet, clearly, you’re inability to respond coherently yourself is evident of cognitive dissonance or a plain acceptance of that you have zero arguments therefore you resort to nothing but memes.

>>12245739
>The same reason people started calling one another NPCs
Before that it was Russian bots.

>>12246074
you're a trooper, you just keep going.

>>12246079
>more deflection
You haven’t used Yikes! yet. Is this all you got? Are you actually happy with being npc?

>>12246086
yikes!

>post-seizure, populist (read: watered down) zizek vs. man who managed to get BTFO by antinatalists and even sam harris of all brainlets
seems really exciting

>>12246074
Not sure if you've noticed, but you're kinda being played like fiddle here.

>>12246086
while(buttHurt = true) {
printf(npcString[i]);
i++
}

Hoping Peterson gets the up so I can see /lit/ psueds have a bitch-fit over their hero.

>>12246074
I don't think that you're having a meltdown but resorting to exaggerated reason is kinda making you look like you're losing the argument

>>12246091
Congrats. Since you bother responding, i’ll say something. What are you winning? You havent read anything relevant to this thread, yet you still respond. You have no rational system of thought yet you feel entitled to your beliefs. You dont read yet you’re here in /lit/. I genuinely care about you, or more so the idea of you. There are many like you out here, especially in 4chan. What I wonder is why you dont try? What value (objectively, as in not simply hesonistic) do you find in disengaging in rational argument in a place that attempts to foster it? Why not respond to the content in with any authentic interest in the idea? How do you go on like this? You may think I take this too seriously, but all I want is to spend some time arguing over ideas, maybe be convinced of something along the way. Yet your kind deprives me of that. Who cares what you believe in as long as you can argue it. Yet you can’t or you refuse to, which might as well mean you can’t. I just dont see the point of tha in /lit/. If these were some other board with some meaningless topic such as cartoons or music, but no. You treat ideas the same way you treat movies or music or whatever, as things you personally like or dont and that’s the extensiveness of it. If these were different you would respond to the content, yet you dont which leades me to believe in what I said above. Interpret this as you will (meltdown, #epictroll), and respond to it with a meme, but the truth remains you’ve said nothing and purposefully accelerated the conversation to nothingness by driving me away through deflection.

>>12246108
But what’s the game?

>>12246135
How is appealing to reason a bad thing? Doesnt that seem backward to you? That someone trying to engage in a rational discussion is supposedly in the “losing” side? As my wall of text abive states, this attitude is lost on me. What is there to gain?

>>12246136
Thanks for the pasta bro but you should definitely see someone.

>>12246128
peterstein will probably come out fine from this because he will say some profound-sounding but ultimately hollow statement about the worth of the individual or the innate and unprecedented beauty of the liberal democracy system that will look good on youtube highlights, while Zizek is perfectly content with contradicting himself and "dialectically" going absolutely nowhere; regurgitating in his many tangents the same jokes and talking points (chocolate laxatives, etc.) he has been bringing up for nearly a decade like some forgetful drunken grandparent.

At first i was rooting for Zizek, but now I'm leaning more towards Pinker. Zizek is the wildcard and may point out something the other two are two sensible to think of. Peterson will point out hypocrisy, but Pinker will latch onto the one logical flaw in your whole system.

Is this really happening or is this some kind of internet collective delusion?

>>12246136

dont worry, anon, it be that way some time

>>12246136
>Twilight of the Memes
Not that you are not right, but you went too far

>>12245666
i'm going with this

also checked

>>12246136
Im down to argue with you anon, what’s troubling you? be concise please!

>>12245666
trips of truth

>>12246136
he never wanted to argue with you faggot. he’s just poking and prodding at you to so you keep making inanely long inproportional shitposts. I doubt you’re even arguing with the same guy anymore. seriously how are you this much of a sperg?

>>12245666
Based Satan

>>12245762
do you have any more photoshopped Ben Shapiro memes

>>12245521
I don’t exactly understand people specific problem with individualism. Like it literally makes no sense to me. If you’re using it as a synonym for capitalism then there’s plenty of room for criticism but capitalism is capitalism.

The way I understand it it’s more of a philosophical idea about our place in the world. Obviously there are questions of free will and things like that but to the degree that one can celebrate their individuality I don’t understand what’s so deplorable about that, especially coming from communist critics specifically. They always say one can have personal autonomy while also being beholden to various collective efforts. Someone explain this please.

>>12246031
Yet he couldn't do it could he?

>tfw no Evola vs Zizek debate

Why did he have to go, lads

>>12246491
>The negroid sperm has some animalistic magical potency inherent in it which cannot be baulked; thus we see the subconscious longing of white virginal european women lusting after the african male. In a same fashion, the Greeks talked of the Minotaur which is a mythological creature which is half bull and half man. The aim of the priests of that cult seems principally to have been the production of a temporary incarnation of this beast by sending selected women of the community every year into the jungle/forest to mingle with all the imaginable bestial creatures thus to produce a miraculous birth upon returning to community.
How would Zizek respond?

>>12246501
He wouldn't because it's a shitty fake copypasta.

>>12246491
i'll take a dugin vs zizek debate

>>12245739
okay this is epic

>>12245589
i laughed

>>12245839
agreed anon

>>12245970
Foucault is methodological though, to a fault I'd say

>>12245901
if he is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong them why none point him out lmao you sniffistics are crazy man

>>12245666
lol this is exactly what's going to happen

ZIZEK
FEARS
PETERSON

>>12245666
Hickory dickory dock, the mouse ran up the clock

>>12245471

What is more encumbering? Being burdened by Biological Essentialism and having no idea what Dialectic is or simply being haunted by Marx? I'd wager the latter. Note how even the French goblins, though purporting themselves effervescent and kaleidoscopic, are bound by the awful torpor of Marx, tragic caged animals.

>>12246075
Nice try Ivan.

>>12246136
Okay, this is epic.

>>12245582
This picture is exuding downright heinous energy desu

>>12245666
This debate is never actually going to materialize I can almost promise you.

>>12245714
>>12245790
>>12245832
>>12245869
please stop making these before i report you to the jannies

>>12245938
No he wouldn't, but he'd take this snoozefest past garbage time well into Level-2. Maybe he'll sneak amphetamine into the complimentary popcorn. Who knows he might actually turn it into something worth our time

>all these Zizek sycophants actually thinking he has a chance against Peterson
>when a no-name brainlet like Will Self blew him the fuck out
You guys are morons, Zizek has absolutely nothing to say in the face of raw practicality.

>>12245864
Underrated post

>>12245969
I thought this was just an s4s thing

>>12246136
this is exactly what I want zizek to do to peterson lmao
I didn't even read your post btw

>>12246447
Just found this one.

>>12247164
>when a no-name brainlet like Will Self blew him the fuck out
video?

>>12247164
Will Self didn't do shit though, he was just being annoying and contrarian. He was right to call out Zizek for not talking about personal responsibility at all, but that's not much.

>>12247183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CId1iOWQUuo

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>>12247204

>>12247219
top kek
got more like this? I remember there being a warhammer one

>>12247222
I ran out. Googling these gets you some very weird ones though.

>>12247234
actually found it

>>12247247
kek

>>12247114
>imagine not being an essentialist
What a wastrel you must be.

>>12245839
>>12245786

Good posts. I don't think Peterson would care though, he will just say that whatever the left tries will still end up as state capitalism and tyranny.

>>12245471
He could have debated him several times already but he knows Zizek ks much smarter and more of a seriois philosopher so he is too scared.

>>12247176
Kek

>>12245521
Beautiful

>>12245790
Is that even Peterson?

>>12245471
Zizek will curbstomp this latent homosexual fucking neocon bitch into the ground so hard his beads will fly out through his nose.

>>12245832
To the gulag you go

>>12247185
I really like this pic

>>12245666
>Bernard Henry Levy
Bernard Henry Levy
>Bernard Henry Levy?
Yes, Bernard Henry Levy
>Did he really just write Bernard Henry Levy?
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WHAT ? LMAO? BERNARD HENRY LEVY?

B H L
H
L

Do you even realize who BHL is ?

>>12246136
imagine writing this much on 4chan

>>12246136

>>12247524
So I misspelled Bernard-Henri Lévy™, it's been a while. And yes I know who BHL is:

>Early essays, such as Le Testament de Dieu or L'Idéologie française faced strong rebuttals from noted intellectuals on all sides of the ideological spectrum, such as historian Pierre Vidal-Naquet and philosophers Cornelius Castoriadis, Raymond Aron, and Gilles Deleuze, who called Lévy's methods "vile"

>More recently, Lévy was publicly embarrassed when his essay De la guerre en philosophie (2010) cited the writings of French "philosopher" Jean-Baptiste Botul.[57] Botul's writings are actually well-known spoofs, and Botul himself is the purely fictional creation of a living French journalist and philosopher, Frédéric Pagès. The obviousness of the hoax led to suspicions that Levy had not read Botul, and that he consequently might have used a ghostwriter for his book.

>He has even given rise to a school of philosophical thought called Botulism – a play on words with the lethal disease – and has created a theory of "La Metaphysique du Mou" the Metaphysics of the Flabby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTENoPNaOCo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-bE6XBlW6g

>>12246169
It’s not happening. People forget that this isn’t the first time Peterson called out Zizek in Twitter (the first time he got baited by a fake Zizek twitter account)

Zizek doesn’t pay attention at all to what’s popular and I’m pretty sure barely uses the internet

>>12247669
Zizek does know about Peterson's desire to debate him, he mentioned it several times although he isn't that interested in the debate saying that Peterson is peddling conspiracy theories and writing self-help books.

Zizek is obviously the intellectual heavy weight here, but he isn’t being played. Even he knows that; which makes me wondering why would he actually seriously engage in this foolish? It is a known fact Peterstein is a pseud, but however that is the case his enterprise is a profitable one.

Does anyone remember the beef with Tana Mongeau and idubbbztv? Reminds you a bit of that episode, doesn’t it?


Excuse English, not first language.

>>12247728
Is this a Slovenian Youtube comment or something?

>>12246136
/lit/ as a format limits discussions, because people come here for some memes, plus majority of this website are anglos, thats all. if you want to discuss ideas, dont get anywhere near anglos and attend some local seminars on philosophy, if they exist. other way just read alone, its more productive

>>12246136
This the cry for fatherly love that hromonally imbalanced lgbt adherents of the Frankfurt School carry inside themselves manifested in a 4chan post.

>>12247637
No man makes me prouder of my country

>>12246136
You alright man. Don't believe all the shitposters, you were right.

>>12246136
btfo

>>12245515
Just listened to this. David pretty much spent the whole time saying something, and then saying:
>That's not what I said!
Then saying it again.
All the whilst getting flustered that Peterson was trying to progress the conversaton and bringing previous points up in the context of discussing the current point.

>>12245864
Top kek

>>12245471
:O "Christ"mas came early this year!!!

Is the pseud feud

>>12245506
>>12245515
>>12245589
>>12245630
>>12245742
>>12245852
>>12245962
>>12246997
>>12247469
>>12247728

>>>/lgbt/
>>>/trannypol/
>>>/gulag/
>>>/trash/
>>>/reddit/

>>12248102
oof

>>12245666
based

>this entire thread
it is too late I realize there is not an individual board here worth my time.
you are all children

>>12248113
Imagine taking this long.

>>12248102
Is fart-right babby gonna cry?

>>12246136
You are wasted here. Leave us and save yourself

>>12248119

>>12246136
/pol/ absolutely SEETHING

>>12245668
SJWs are the leftovers of the KGB's destabilisation efforts, they are designed to be unstable and self destructive since they were never intended to survive the revolution. Globalism is one of the later and more direct attempts to use the social justice paradigm so created, since the old USSR has collapsed and the programmes it launched have become like the Doomsday Machine on Star Trek episode of the same name.

>>12248178
okay schizo

>>12248032
Oh, so he used the Peterson gimmick? Fighting fire with fire, clever

>>12248267
>that's NOT what I meant *rolls eyes*

>>12245601
you know literally nothing about cambridge union lmao
ps: theres lots of far right who speak at oxford and cambridge union

>>12245601
>new ideas scare me

lmao uni isn't for you.

>>12248319
>communism is new to me
lmao uni isn't for you.

>>12248343
cope harder, Cleetus

>>12248267
It went like this:
>DB: Suffering and pleasure is unbalanced, suffering is heavier
>JP: There's no objective way to measure those. Also that statement isn't necessarily true for every person, people can live in ways to out balance the suffering.
>DB: UHH HOLD ON A SECOND, you don't even need to measure it! Also why are you using those terms of suffering and pleasure, what are you, hedonisitic?

>>12248309
kek yeah, it's an outright right-wing think tank
>Far right leader of the AfD in Germany has cancelled her speech at the Oxford Union, following pressure from anti-racist campaigners.
>This comes after Oxford’s Student Union and the Oxford University Labour Club both passed motions condemning the invitation for her to speak.
>A collective statement has been issued, signed by representatives twenty eight student societies. These included the Oxford SU Campaign for Racial Awarneess and Equality, Oxford SU Disability Campaign, Oxford SU LGBTQ+ Campaign, Oxford SU Women’s Campaign, Oxford SU Class Act, Free Education Oxford, Oxford Migrant Society, Common Ground Oxford, Oxford Left Network, Oxford Climate Justice Campaign, Oxford Central African Forum, Oxford Students’ Palestine Society, RS21 Oxford, Oxford University Hindu Society, Race and Resistance Network, Oxford Afghanistan Society, OULC, Oxford University LGBTQ+ Society, The Changing Character of War Research Group, Oxford Queer Studies Network, Oxford Sustainability Society, Oxford Pro-Choice Society, On Your Doorstep Homeless Campaign, Oxford South Asian Arts Society, Oxford Centre for Feminist Foreign Policy, Oxford University Living Wage Campaign, Oxford BAME Drama Society, ‘Hard to Get’ Research Group.
https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2018/11/02/students-react-to-alice-weidel-cancelling-union-talk/

>>12248352
Nimm ihn in den Rachen, Matze.

Just another inane episode in the history of Spectacle

>>12248356
my point still stands :)

That weird feel when I disagree with sniffer on nearly everything yet still like him way better than the self-help guru.

>>12248360
keep believing that.

>>12248363
Keep getting angry over universities not being reactionary enough my triggered snowflake

200 replies for a bait thread.

>>12245716
found the sub100 iq

>>12248387
Let's see if it will reach 300.

>>12248356.
those societies are all left wing societies you retard. half of them are just the same group (oxford student union) with different names. and just because some afd lady pussied out of coming doesnt mean the union is left wing.

the term card ox the union is consistently trump administration, republicans, tories etc i went to seen bannon talk there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AtOw-xyMo8

if you dont go to oxford then pipe down kid

>>12248362
because just the way they approach conversations is different. zizek will agree with almost anything you say (a lot like /lit/'s girardfag) even if he doesn't agree, and it makes for pleasant conversation. jbp will find every possible reason to disagree and dab on you as hard as he can. this makes jbp unlikable, and just as annoying as hardcore sjws.

>>12248359
>tfw try hard to be like that kid but too manlet to pull it off

>>12248430
Yeah it's definitely the attitude, Zizek just feels like someone who is humble, curious and genuinely likes thinking and discussing ideas, Peterson feels too self-righteous "I have it all figured out".

>>12245786
>given the fact that it does not give the actual worker the freedom to control the means to his production, is not a proper implementation of Marxist communism.
Couldn't it be argued that the revolution had to implement an authoritarian state in order to get to the point that the workers could control the means of production? That they just failed to survive long enough to reach that point? And just because they never reached that point doesnt mean that we cant use the USSR or Maoist China as examples of communism gone awry?
If the ends of these regimes was true communism and these regimes used these ends to justify their means, then wouldn't Peterson be correct in being anti-communist if communists have in the past believed that their ends justified any means?
Actually asking for a response here. Not being confrontational

>>12248411
>those societies are all left wing societies you retard.
so? not an argument.
>half of them are just the same group (oxford student union) with different names.
lie.
>and just because some afd lady pussied out of coming doesnt mean the union is left wing.
nobody claimed that, the claim was that academia is dominated by progressives, socialists and outright marxist sympathizers whereas token conservative positions are actively being pushed out and only accepted hesitantly.
>trump administration, republicans, tories etc i went to seen bannon talk there
no comparison, these people are at the center of the political spectrum and none of them is an extremist edgelord as zizek is.

if you can't
>if you dont go to oxford then pipe down kid
Anglo universities are a meme, kid.

>>12248387
are you kidding? This is NEWS

>>12248456
Okay, it's actually on his twitter.
So why is Peterson posting bait?
(Would like to see it happen though.)

>>12245852
The alt-right will never admit how ziocon they truly are.

>>12245471
Zizek has no hair plugs.
Automatically wins by refusing the phantasmagoria of capital dialectics.

>>12245739
>left memes
>believes the NPCs are really a misunderstood future proletariat academia representing anti-incel theory

Is cute how kermit squint so much to appear manly.

>>12245762
>JUST lefty memes
Are you posting these ironically?

>Mr. Zizek
>B-but call me Dr. Peterson! I have a PhD in clinical psychology!

Never before have I seen a public figure lay their insecurity so bare.

>>12248530
Fucking amazing meme power

>>12246169
Imagine being a Pinkerfag...
LIBERALISM NEVER KILLED ANYONE!

Is this the Chomsky vs Foucault debate of our generation?

>>12248547

>>12248455
do you realise how many societies there are at oxford? 28 condemning the invite is nothing

>lie
thats literally just OUSU subgroups

>these people are at the center of the political spectrum
>the absolute STATE of american politics

>Anglo universities are a meme, kid.
yeah, i wish i went to your community college. lmao

>>12248472
>it's actually on his twitter.
you're not wrong

Hey big guy, once you're done fooling around with the guppies why not try a real man on for size

>>12248455
quick question: how fucked does one's politics need to be for bannon to be a centrist?

>>12248644
>pronouns your attack helicopter

>>12248658
Or for a SocDem supporter like Zizek to be "extremist"

>>12248530
>that last panel

Top kek

>>12245471
Why do people post as if this debate will actually happen?
Žižek said he doesn't want to do it.

>>12248760
Eventually some big money is gonna come his way and he will accept. Right now it's being hyped quite a bit by both sides because they keep mentioning it. Like someone itt said, it will be like a meme boxing match (Logan Paul vs ksi or whatever).

>>12248530
>lefty

Making fun of Ben Shapiro should unite the entire political spectrum. Unless you're literally Ben Shapiro, you should approve. Same goes for Zizek, he's too much of a living meme for you to unironically think that all memes about him are made by right wingers.

>>12248509
see >>12248805

The only thing good that can come of this is society realizing that psychoanalysis is a waste of time.

>>12247078
I know you're baiting, but I just gave two examples in that post.

>>12245666
spot on

>>12245471
Don't puss out this time Pete.

It's gonna be like a 4chan argument in real life. One side has no idea what they're talking about (Peterson and literally anything left wing) and their audience has the same ignorance. Even if Peterson gets destroyed his audience wouldn't know. It would be "lefty mumbo jumbo". In all honesty I think Ziezek is above this. I think he's just doing it to promote his book

>>12248530
>>12248578
where have you been anon, I miss your severe autism

are we witnessing the wwe-ization of the world?

>>12249041
>. In all honesty I think Ziezek is above this.
The level of delusion in zizekfags is astonishing.

>>12249032
>>12249041
>I think he's just doing it to promote his book
Žižek is not doing anything. There won't be a debate, as much as JP would want it.
It's fake news and OP is a faggot.

>>12249144
not a fan of zizek or the other guy, but it's always a disappointing conversation between a philosopher and a youtube meme who got famous for bullying trannies.
if they had a genuine right wing intellectual it would work (and has). pick dugin if you still want a famous shitposter

Where does Zizek stand on the Jewish question

>>12249261
it's jot a question of "do jews do bad things" but rather a question of "why does the jew need to exist for the antisemetic pathology to function?". even if what the antisemites say are true (he doesn't think so, see his take on Europa) the function that the jew plays in antisemetic ideology is still pathological. it is the ideology itself which must be dismantled, you cannot stoop to the level of dismissing individual antisemetic claims without validating the entire ideological structure.

>>12249274
I agree with him desu. It's sad that so many people who could probably be doing something useful are obsessed over Jews. I don't really know why, but I think it's a combination of desperation, brainletism and laziness. Also Nazi-fetishism (don't get me wrong, those guys looked pretty cool, but seriously).

>>12248892
No ofense but I mean professionals.

>>12245901
>conflating marxism with postmodernity when marxism is in fact a very solidly modernist form of socialism
why do the left have such a hard time understanding the idea that Marxism and postmodern leftism stem from the same thing

>>12249325
because we read the primary texts rather than steven hicks and peterson

>>12249274
I don't get it. Can someone please explain in simple words

>>12249343
see zizek's take on the sound of music

>>12249343
antisemitism is a spook but the world that gave birth to antisemitism is all spooks as well. the absolute state of neocringe leftist intellectuals.

>>12249343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkSV4xyKkds

>>12249325
nice buzzwords

>>12249274
But Jews really do bad things. You're just denying reality if you think it's not true.
Is Zizek another no identity politics allowed fag like Peterson?

>>12249358
>stirner
>neocringe

>>12249232
>youtube meme who got famous for bullying trannies.
Source?

>>12249381
you are not only missing his point, you are proving it.

>>12249367
he's more bluepilled than i initially thought.

>>12249388
he only got famous for refusing to use trans pronouns.

>>12245638
based

>>12249391
explain

>>12245471
Which of these three do you think would win in a fight? I think Zizek could take them both down.

>>12249481
see
>>12249274
>>12249367
if you don't get it you might just be a brainlet (that does tend to correlate with antisemitism)

>>12249486
Zizek risks dying of one of his many diseases just by standing still. Given that Peterson is filled with diseases as well, Pinker probably has the best chance although I don't know anything about his health.

>>12249500
>thinking a weak little Jew like Pinker could stand a change against a big Slavic brute

>>12246136
this will make for some fine pasta

>>12249568
>big slavic brute
Zizek is more of a alpinid/neo-danubian phenotype.

>>12248152
this sounds like such bullshit... being unable to sleep for 25 days and feeling a sense of impending doom because you drank some apple cider? either he's lying out of his ass or there is something seriously wrong with his body. probably both.

>>12249614
He has some severe autoimmune disease or something, he only eats meat these days. Same as his daughter.

>>12249663
I'm aware of his meat-only diet. his story still sounds fishy.

>>12249675
Maybe he's description shouldn't be taken literally, drifting in and out of sleep (pretty much sleeping with your eyes open) can leave you constantly tired without killing you.

>>12249698
*his

My brain is starting to give up as well.

>>12249698
could be, but then "I didn't sleep at all for 25 days" is a straight up lie.

>>12249675
>people don't get that toxicity can result in reactions to a countless number of things with only tangential relation to the original toxin
Monsanto is a hell of a drug.

>>12249716
do you not believe he just laid in bed with his eyes open due to existential dread bought about by apple cider?

>>12249738
How does apple cider give you existential dread for a month

>>12246467
individualism is a meaningless word

>>12249757
Well if someone put a gun to my head and forced me to make this idea work I'd say that his gut bacteria went into overdrive when interacting with something in the cider which led to all kinds of substances being produced which interacted within the rest of the body and within the brain releasing substances associated with anxiety (or fear or anticipation at least) or something similar in larger quantities than the healthy thresholds and for some reason his brain doesn't readjust quickly after such a change.

That or it's some Jungian shit about apples being the forbidden fruit.

This is the pseud equivalent of the Mayweather McGregor fight except no one can win

>>12249821
But in that fight both of them won a ton of cash, maybe this will be the same situation.

>>12245852
what about yuri bezmenov? can you refute that tankie?

>the chad two hot dogs
>the virgin doom cider

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPof3taFRto

>>12245832
LMAO

>>12247728
>Zizek is obviously the intellectual heavy weight here,


>communist
>intellectual

might as well say that autistic kids are the next step in human evolution

>>12248157
better dead than red

>>12249874
You don't belong on this board

>>12249874
Autism is an adaptation to information age capitalism. The most succesful people in the world are autistic.

>>12249880
commies don't own this board.

>>12246467
There is no indivisible self and hence no individual (i.e. smallest measure of) identity.

>>12249858
holy fuck i forgot about the hotdog video.

how can anyone hate this commie

>>12249880
>>12249882

and we call those people, useful idiots

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Useful%20Idiot

>>12249885
Im not communist
You really don't belong on this board.
If you keep posting like were on >>>/another board/ then you'll continue to stick out like a sore thumb

>>12249886
I’m not being coy but can you explain this in a way that isn’t academic newspeak? What do you mean by the self isn’t indivisible? I truly want to understand what you mean because I’m open to having my mind changed. Please elaborate.

>>12249878
>tfw your boss lets you scream about how free you are as he's fucking your boipucci

>>12249899
I'm not even the same guy. You're just blindly lashing out in hopes the talking points you've been given in your shareblue facebook group are going to catch on.

>>12249760
Except it isn’t because when I say it people know what I mean.

>>12249923
Well if you arent the same guy you sure post like he does as well
Maybe you can both go back together?

>>12249937
There, there, anon, I'm sure the meds will start kicking in soon.

>>12249921

>tfw leftists have the mental insight of a 15 year old who doesn´t know why their ideology doesn´t work

>>12249904
Not him, but I think he means that "you" can think of "yourself" without any appeal to a metaphysical unified self, just as a group of drives, memories, habits etc.

It's a pretty standard philosophical and even religious notion (buddhist especially afaik )and rather widespread.

>>12249949
Nice dodge.

>>12249904
I guess I mean that it is impossible to single out a thing which can be identified as a self. I don't know man I find individualism quite appealing but I have also read some Lacan (le divided subject, in crude and shallow terms what you want to be and think you are are different selves), as well as Deleuze (who says Kant put the self on a historical scale, which makes no two identified selves the same - think of Heraclitus' river). I guess there are many ways to go about saying this. But if you were to ask me, which would be stupid, I also have the faculty of memory, through which I continually make my self-identification a more coherent and wholesome thing, and it's just more sane and practical to presuppose I am an individual conscious and responsible being.

>>12249927
They mostly misunderstand what you mean and project their own preconceptions and feelings onto it, although to be fair that happens with most concepts. It's an excess of meaning rather than a lack of it I guess. Of course there is some overlap, they won't just understand collectivism when you say individualism, but the more the conversation goes on the less consensus there is.

>>12246136
This ones going in my Yikes! folder

>>12249964
>>12249982
>>12249993
Interesting responses anons and point taken about the division between an actualized self and the reality of self. As I said previously ofcourse there are questions of free will as we’re tied down to our inner drives and obvious shortfalls of ability etc

But I still fail to see how these are anything more than anything than contemplations of a rich inner life opposed to the corporeal everyday minutia we actually experience wether that’s something that is or isn’t fully realized. It almost seems self evident to me that. We’re being alone in the world. I feel like collectivists are very hateful towards this seeming fact as it betrays their ideals. Some say that we can be autonomous and also collectivized but I suggest it’s the other way around. Our natural state being that of the individual and we can sometimes collectivize; thus the individuals ability to conceive oneself as such is tantamount to the trust and best like IE:heroic individualism.

>>12249407
I could have sworn I've seen a video of him claiming that he would use their pronouns if they asked him. I think he qualified it by saying that he would do it of he didnt think they were trying to power over him or something along those lines

>>12246136
Yikes!

>>12245601
People of all political persuasions are invited to the Union. They had Roger Stone not long ago

>>12245786
Peterson addresses that by saying that no matter what you try the Stalin/Mao types will rise to the top and fuck it up anyways.

If it's true or not I dunno but that's what he will say.

>>12250403
one problem with his theory: uncle joe was based

>>12245967
First 30 seconds of ever watching Zizek and I already find something blatantly wrong wtf.

Slave rebellions were forever about becoming the new masters.

>>12250065
>But I still fail to see how these are anything more than anything than contemplations of a rich inner life opposed to the corporeal everyday minutia we actually experience wether that’s something that is or isn’t fully realized.
I'm not sure what you mean here exactly. If the opposition is between contemplation and everyday corporeal minutia then you're already in a different type of philosophical system, potentially a dualistic one whereas most pluralistic (as in reducing the self to a plurality of assemblages - habits, memories, drives etc.) systems do not make a distinction between body and mind except perhaps as a secondary consideration (some forms of epiphenomenalism).

>We’re being alone in the world.
While not a position exclusive to collectivists, some focus on how we're not alone even when there's nobody around simply because we're so rooted in society and culture and language (even when we go against them) and these things are themselves collective in some sense. Especially if you deny a metaphysical individual entity, you are even closer to this collective (or however you want to call it) substrate because it intertwines with "your" other assemblages (including material ones since behaviors are learned and consolidated through repetition while still being influenced to say the least by genetic/epigenetic predispositions).

>Our natural state being that of the individual and we can sometimes collectivize; thus the individuals ability to conceive oneself as such is tantamount to the trust and best like IE:heroic individualism.
I'd say rather, following Hume, that we are sympathetic rather than altruistic or egotistic that is to say we are predisposed to caring for those close to us (with sociopathic and psychopathic exceptions of course) and something similar happens with individualism-collectivism since we live with others for most of our lives. For example babies who get no proper human interaction/affection (just feeding and other basic necessities to keep them alive) tend to die inexplicably as far as I know. In fact individualism can just as well be a reaction (positive or negative) to family or society or culture and thus caught in the logic that it's trying to escape. I'm not picking either term, rather I would say that the very opposition is flawed and most societies try to integrate both even if the accent falls on one or the other.

>>12250409
>to the gulag with you xD

>>12250442
>Slave rebellions were forever about becoming the new masters.

So rebelling slaves wanted to enslave their captors? I find it hard to believe that this was the case for all slave rebellions or even for the majority of them, but I'd love to hear why you believe that to be the case.

>>12250220
>>12250230
That's Zizek's first wife Analia (she's the daughter of a psychoanalyst hence the name). Pic related is his current qt.

>>12250169
I remember the same thing. Maybe he would use them out of politeness, but he disagrees with it being enforced. Iirc even Ben Shapiro said something similar despite his desire to DESTROY boipucci with LOGIC and FACTS.

>>12248452
If only Solsjenitsyn and Jung were still alive and could correct Peterson on his thinking. It's so obvious that Peterson read them both, took from them what he agreed with and conveniently ignored what he didn't like and never brings it up.

>>12248554
Liberalism has that shitty quality of producing material wealth but spiritual poverty.

The suffering it produces is absolutely off the charts but it's not physical suffering.

>>12249368
Marxism is fundamentally bitterness and jealousy(justified or not) of those who have it better.

Postmodernism is a weapon to tear those people down.

And there you have it.

>>12250568
Okay Mr. Moneybags, you can keep your hedge fund.

>>12250523
I think Shapiro is a little more entrenched than Peterson. I dont think Shapiro believes people can be trans, but idk what JBP thinks on that subject.

>>12246136

>>12248102
>I'm a commie for not accepting Peterson as gospel
triggered

>>12249274

The average Jew is more "pathological" than any antisemite has ever been. Actual violence against the Jews has been so sparse that it might as well be a joke. Calling Hitler an "antisemite" is intellectually disgraceful, Canada is "antiamerican" by the same logic.