/lit/ - Literature

>>12223978
BASED

upvote

Yeah kinda what my views on trump are to, if it takes that retard for europe to start reflecting on their own interests more and to end the awful EU than follow suit.

>>12223978
well, I read his article. all I can say is that he and I have irreconcilable differences about the most probable futures (e.g. H thinks autarky or isolationist policies will work; I don't, look at Iran) and interpretations (e.g. H says Trump doesn't let China boss him around; I think that Trump instead lets China do whatever it wants without challenging it, which is even worse).

There's no such thing as bad publicity (unless you're that boy from that english rock group who got caught trying to fuck babies)

>>12224055
the european common market is fanfuckingtastic.
american's just want to devalue the EU so it can divide and conquer. its negativity toward the EU has nothing to do with european countries freeing themselves from a bureaucratic elite and everything to do with america's self interest.

>>12224162
Americans don't really care about the EU. If anything it makes vacationing easier. We just see a continent full of people who look like us getting overrun with rapey 87 IQ brown people and feel an instinctive revulsion for the policies that allow that to happen. The bureaucratic creeps pushing you around are just the icing on the cake

>>12223978
The modern media has made it somehow a controversial attitude to admit to liking the current President of the USA.
Think about that.

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/01/donald-trump-is-a-good-president/

Here's the actual article

>>12224147
Are you talking about the singer from Lost Prophets?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Watkins_(Lostprophets)#Sexual_offences

>>12224221
>The Americans are relying more and more on drones, which—if they knew how to use these weapons—could have allowed them to reduce the number of civilian casualties (but the fact is that Americans have always been incapable, practically since aviation began, of carrying out a proper bombing).

lol this is some good shit

>>12223978
>calls him an appalling clown in the first paragraph

>I have the impression that it’s been a good long time since the United States last won a war, and that for at least fifty years its foreign military interventions, whether acknowledged or clandestine, have been nothing but a succession of disgraces culminating in failures.

Maybe from a PR standpoint they've been a failure but the wealth behind war continues to come out ahead.

>>12224247
>In six years, Ted Cruz will still be comparatively young, and surely there are other outstanding Christian conservatives. You’ll be a little less competitive, but you’ll rediscover the joy of living within the borders of your magnificent country, practicing honesty and virtue. (With some instances of marital infidelity. Nobody’s perfect, you should relax about that. Even in the best American thrillers, there are scenes of spousal repentance that are hard to bear, especially when the children intervene. I don’t want to play the “licentious Frenchman,” a character I loathe, I’m just pleading for the maintenance of a minimal level of hypocrisy, without which no life in human society is possible.)

kek

>>12224289
>In six years, Ted Cruz will still be comparatively young, and surely there are other outstanding Christian conservatives

Is this satire? Or is he out of touch with American Christianity and the interweaving of that with politics? These people are Christian in title only, I wouldn't call any sitting Congressman or former President a truly outstanding Christian.

>>12224130
>look at Iran
Sure thing you low iq cretin. Almost like Iran would be thriving if it weren’t for America and their kike sanctions

>>12224221
cringed for him

Anyone have the PDF link?

Well if I was French, after Macron, Trump would seem fantastic. The Paris Climate Accord was an abject failure and France is being robbed of it's identity because of muh diversity. Houellebecq is an individual unafraid of speaking his mind, which is a noble trait because the INTOLERANT left cannot stand for an artist to have a dissenting opinion. Though republicans hold a majority in government, we know that this is going to be short lived. Texas will go blue and bye bye the RNC for a long time. The establishment is the left; Hollywood, the music industry, publishing, and academia are all predominantly leftists that rule with an iron fist. Conservative is the new punk. I as a libertarian have had to put up with having the majority of my creative idols despise my ideology, but it doesn't stop me from reading their novels, enjoying their songs, or analyzing their works of philosophy. Be open minded in the arena of ideas, empathize with the other and maybe you'll learn more about yourself, maybe you'll construct a better argument against those with whom you disagree. The right will only become more and more intolerant if you treat them as some sort of boogie man instead of individuals with an opposing viewpoint. Same as with the left. Jordan Peterson has been the absolute worst thing for conservatives and libertarians, because he doesn't understand pomo. So, I urge you, read houellebecq before you trash him, otherwise you'll be a leftist Jordan Peterson.

>>12224303
Trudeau claims to be a Roman Catholic. Its not just Protestant Burgers being culturally religious.

>>12224321
cringed for you

>>12224303
Have you read Houellebecq? He's a semi-satirist who's sincere in his main points but ironic in his secondary and tertiary ones

>>12224321
>"otherwise you'll be a leftist Jordan Peterson"

didn't ya just strawman peterson? Clean your room.

>>12224321
Epic boomer post

>>12224204
Whenever i hear someone shitting on trump in my country it really strikes me how much it seems like the thought of anyone disagreeing with them doesn't cross their mind.
Actually i seem to remember a lecturer saying specifically that she doesn't think anyone in this entire country would have supported him. Well i knew a few people in that very lecture hall who did.

Growing up i got the impression that Obama was loved unanimously, it was genuinely a shock to me when i learned that it wasn't so.

>>12224321
Looks like a forgot to close out facebook. Go to bed you boomer

>>12224321
>>12223978

>>12224388
I'm not American but I figured it was down to americans being really anal about their where they get their televised news. It seems to be like a sports team thing over there. My family is a FOX NEWS family. No, my family is a CBS family etc.
In England, there really isn't any high-brow conservative paper. Either it's illegal, kept from the public or they're too buzy working.

>>12224321
Aren't you a little old for 4chan?

>>12224321
I really hate but really like this post at the same time

>>12224385
>>12224413
>>12224428
I'm literally 16 fuck you

>>12224439
MODS?

>>12224439

>>12224321
I actually like this post. You do you kid. Your positions will mature.

>>12224443
Fuck it, this is 4channel now.

>>12224162
the US sponsored the creation of the EU as a bulwark against russia lel

>>12224221
It's bretty good save for Michel's usual racial waffling. The passing comment in support for Obama's foreign policy in incomprehensible. He's very liberal in many respects, simply more honest about what that means

>>12223978
Great now I have to throw my Houellebecq collection out. Thanks a fucking lot you delusional old French git.

>>12224162
And that's a good thing.

>>12223978
Based. It makes sense that he says this. France is NOT happy, I hear that 85% of France supports the Yellow Vests and this includes many Police whom had removed their helmets in a show of solidarity in one case. Trump claims they're screaming "We Want Trump" and indeed I've seen some studies that found President' Macron approval rating down at as low as 18%, as high as 26%. Trump's approval in America has for months been hovering around 42-46% or so and his approval in France is on the rise too.

Nationalism. I believe that that is going to become a big word, especially in Europe. The Euroskeptics whom want to maintain individual nations instead of have the EU hivemind puppet them as a group while pushing for open borders... they are nationalists. Poland in particularly has a large nationalist population because they've suffered enough under radical leftism with the Soviet Union which was still around at the beginning of my life time and I am far from an old man. Trump says he is a nationalist, and seeing as I dislike the EU and I'm even questioning of the UN at this point I dare say I'm a nationalist as well. That doesn't mean White supremacist, or Western Chauvinist (which I am), but simply that they believe in the sovereignty of your home nation and generally (though perhaps not always) comes with it a desire for strong borders at least in the face of mass-immigration. Italy is being lead by Nationalists, Sweden is edging more towards the right, and I hear Denmark may be as well what with the island they're planning to set up as a detention facility for their more disagreeable migrants.

The right is rising, there have been decades of leftist victories in the realm of culture... but we've had enough. Globalism vs Nationalism, if there is going to be some sort of mass European war as seen in WWI and WWII, that will be the paradigm. Not North vs South, or Allies vs Axis, or Triple Entente vs Central Powers... it will be Left vs Right. Globalist open borders vs Nationalist secure borders. Sprinkle in a dash of Capitalism vs Socialism for taste, and voila. This could be what lays ahead of us in 2019... well, at least I know which side I'll be on.

>>12224417
The Spectator (the news outlet linked to in the very first post of this thread) is literally a highbrow conservative British paper.

The impression I get with British people is that they have no idea what they want from politics, or at least are to cowardly to demand it. Everybody wants to be seen as reasonable and intelligent, whereas Americans do not care about being painted as unreasonable and stupid so long as they get what they want

>>12224528

Can anyone recommend me some boomercore?

>>12224130
>Look at Iran
Sure kid. A country that has lived under international sanctions since the 1970s is a perfect example of an isolationist nation. I won't even bother to address your China example since it's painfully wrong.

>>12224534
British here, your impression is apt.

>>12224055
This

>>12224417
There are basically threw or four camps for American news depending on how you cut it. You have liberal outlets like NPR or something like Vox, then you have stuff like NBC which is 'centrist', and lastly you have Fox News or Breitbart. Each of these could be separated more but those are the basics. It's common to hear people talking about NPR, NBC, or some that's left leaning in some way but people do seem to judge you based on where you get your news from.

>>12224505
>The passing comment in support for Obama's foreign policy in incomprehensible.
The example he gives is of a significant foreign policy failure (when Obama abdicating decision-making power on whether to attack Syria to Congress in the wake of the British parliamentary vote not to attack).

Not surprising given his views on immigration and Islam, but it is sort of surreal hearing praising about Trump, I don't know why.

>>12224321
yikes

>>12224130
>Trump instead lets China do whatever it wants without challenging it
What the fuck are you talking about you utter mongoloid? The US is running Carrier Battle Groups up and down the Chinese coast right now!

>>12224528
Truly an American post. Have a (You) just in case you're LARPing

>>12224650

Paglia also likes Trump:

>The hovering Trump, bedecked with the phallic tongue of a violet Celtic floral tie, is in Viking mode, looking like a triumphant dragon on the thrusting prow of a long boat. “To the victor belong the spoils!” I said to myself in admiration, as seductive images from Babylon to Paris flashed through my mind. Yes, here is all the sizzling glory of hormonal sex differentiation, which the grim commissars of campus gender studies will never wipe out!

I guess we need to get used to the fact that all the good authors love Trump. Weird.

How do you even become "One of X's greatest living intellectuals"? Just by writing things that make enough people say 'ooh, good point'?

>>12224685
>How do you even become "One of X's greatest living intellectuals"? Just by writing things that make enough people say 'ooh, good point'?
Well, standards have fallen about that far...

>>12224684
Which other good contemporary authors like trump?

>>12224458
A literal kid just posted on here but like an idiot divulged his age. I think it’s fascinating how many young kinds have been enlightened because of YouTube. When I was a kid books was stoopid.

>>12224708
Yeah I really hits me hard, when David Lynch said that he didn't have an original thought until 22 or so that really hit home. Education for me was basically pure semantics even in English. But true education really starts when you take it into your own hands, it's weird to see young chaps starting that early, it makes me think that the future might actually be rather conservative in comparison with all the information out there. Boomers might be gone for at least another 100 years. Feels strange. I wonder if we'll see a new 50s or if Tech will impede it.

I used to respect him as an intellectual but this article is all over the place and he seems to be finally transitioning from contrarian to full-on troll. He claims to not know much about history then makes sweeping claims about the future global economy, he talks about nations having short memories then later talks about the fucking schism of 1054 of all things, as if it still had even a modicum of relevance in modern European societies. Also he considers Ted Cruz to be an outstanding Christian conservative, which is objectively stupid as hell. And as usual his statements on Islam are intentionally ambiguous dog whistle bullshit.

In the end his stance on Trump is your typical 'he's a scumbag but maybe now America will get its shit together after this necessary crisis' which is absolutely not the same thing as him being a good President.

>>12224730
Not that many people are really "Nationalist", they're just tired of the whole International Community shtick.

>>12224740
Ted Cruz should have been president. Honestly, the guy is moral America personified. He would've been W. without the negatives. For lack of a less lame term; Lawful good.

>>12224740
orange man bad

>>12224162
Yeah, the fact that your treasonous governments have been actively replacing your cultures and dominating your natives in favor of outsiders has absolutely nothing to do with it. I swear, I like Australians more than I like Europeans at this point.

>>12224760
>Ted Cruz should have been president. Honestly, the guy is moral America personified.
What? Donald Trump is nothing if not America personified, as in, actual America and not America as Cambridge, NYC, and SF would like it.

>>12224740
>dog whistle
Post disregarded.

>>12223978
>arguably the greatest French intellectual of our age
Yikes
>or wowza, or Oof, or whatever the kids are saying

>>12224772
I should have capitalised 'moral', Donald is 'American dream Don' and although I don't live there I think he is still a fantastic fit.
What really surprised me (I shouldn't) was how people pass on all his smooth deals.
I guarantee if it was any other president they'd be in line for a 100 diplomatic business errors. It's all hypothetical of course, but you get the idea that Kim might've/would've fucked Obama and fucked Hilary.
I think people don't want to admit he's doing a decent job because he offends them so much.
I still think Cruz would've been a better fit though presidentially (if that's a word).

ORANGE MAN BAD

>>12224799
>What really surprised me (I shouldn't) was how people pass on all his smooth deals.
Congress (donors) can just wait out the Trump admin and return to business as usual in 2-6 years.

>>12224740
Based. I understand his main point in that Trump being an isolationist president coupled with the US’ shrinking global influence is a good thing for France and the rest of the world but some of the stuff in there is just weird. I wish he would expand on that Islam statement because it’s literally unrelated to any other sentence in the essay and feels super out of place. If he wanted to say something about it he should’ve made a point instead of an off hand reference. A lot of it is muddled in irony and satire tho. I think after he made his main point he just started trolling and fucking around like with the Ted Cruz line and calling Trump a “great president” since he calls him a clown in the first paragraph. It’s structured in a way where it gets less genuine and more entrenched in satirical b8 as it goes on.

> (I write this shortly after a new hunting expedition has been launched in France against the notoriously anti-liberal writer Éric Zemmour).

what did Houellebecq mean by this?

>>12224740
> then later talks about the fucking schism of 1054 of all things, as if it still had even a modicum of relevance in modern European societies.

I'll take "war in eastern Ukraine" for 400, Alex.

>>12224760
Ted would not have won, he was too redolent of Karl Rove's mid-aughts evangelicals. Trump won precisely because he isn't much of a Christian, among other reasons.

>>12224802
Who are you talking to? The essay is positive. The thread is mixed...

>>12223978
Houellebecq confirmed for redpilled.

>>12224740
>being a brainlet

>>12223978
>arguably the greatest French intellectual of our age
Y I K E S

>>12224872
He’s a coward. He had to insult Donnie in the first couple sentences but then goes and says he’s a “good” president. Very wishy washy and dishonest. If he actually supported Trump and was actually Redpilled he wouldn’t beat around the bush like this or try to play both sides.

>>12224509
>npc opinion
>npc reaction face
o i am laffin.

>>12224221
>China/India will scale back
Ebin satire, Wellbeck.

>>12224740
>And as usual his statements on Islam are intentionally ambiguous dog whistle bullshit.
>dog whistle
lmao, I bet you are one of those tofu chaps that deny the presence in britain of war time levels of rape from paki grooming gangs

>>12224895
is this eighth-dimensional b8?

>>12224961
He's right you know.

>>12224973
Is this sixteenth-dimensional b8?

>>12224878
He is writing in Harpers, man.

>>12224303
This where this satire or his perspective as a french men is not that knowledgeable of feeling and views of certain topics and people in America but a fun quick read for the better.

>>12223978
Unlike the noted philosopher Gwen Stefani, Trump appears to be a Houellebecq girl

>>12224810
>Donbass having anything to do with religion
Learn to geopolitics nigger

>>12223978
The man praises Trump for not killing as many people and his trade poilicies while still pointing out his flaws and he's painted as a Trump supporter by the media.

French people are just the fuckin worst

>>12223978
>arguably the greatest French intellectual of our age
*heavily* arguable
>just came out as a Trumpist
no shit, he literally wrote a book about france becoming an islamic republic

>>12223978

Houellebecq is a good guy deep down inside, nothing I didn't know already.

>>12225201
He wrote about it being a good thing. The man is as left and as cuck as they come.

>>12223978
is he /ourguy/?

>>12224693
Tito Perdue

>>12224221
>https://harpers.org/archive/2019/01/donald-trump-is-a-good-president/
"President Trump was elected to safeguard the interests of American workers; he’s safeguarding the interests of American workers. "
Like hell he is. He's allied with the reactionary "conservatives", who want to destroy everyting the labour movement accomplished the last century-and-a-half. That real workers actually fell for it is horrific, and shows how uneducated and propagandized the US working class is.

>>12224878
>Very wishy washy and dishonest.

He IS French.

>>12224193
>look like us

Nice try mutt.

>>12225532
>it’s a sniveling liberal wonders why the uneducated mouthbreatjing boards of I think peasants don’t trust him to act in their best interests thread

>>12223978
>Houellebecq
>leading french intellectual
quoi

>>12225694
In the minds of /pol/tv, anyone with more than secondary education, including agronomists, are "intellectuals".

>>12223978
pls this is not the politics subreddit

>>12224221
>2019/01
are you from the future?

>>12224303
>Or is he out of touch with American Christianity and the interweaving of that with politics? These people are Christian in title only
so like every christian ever? including the catholic church

>>12224289
pure gold

>>12224681
I am Canadian but I wish to be an American someday.

>>12224162
The economic union is quite good but added on a horrific political union.

That's racist.

Edit: wow, thanks for the gold kind stranger, I'm so surprised this comment has blown up and my inbox is full, I'll try to get to all of you! Thank you again!

>>12224304
>autarky
>no sanctions
retard dolt

>>12225232
Islam is a conservative religion socially though.
I think you confuse the lax foreign policy and censorship overload currently endorsed by leftists who love Islam and Islam's complete apathy (perhaps even hatred) toward leftists.
Sharia Law is fundamentally authoritarian, now whether you see religious doctrines as constitutional is another story.

>>12224534
Class consciousness is huge here. Reminder that Marx didn't come up with his final class struggle views until he came to England.
People care very much about standing. I've seen many people go against their real views simply because they didn't want to come out as 'lower class'.
If you want any change in any direction to happen here, just bombard the media with association between the opposite position and chavs. Guaranteed you get the change in the next five years.

>>12223978
based and redpilled, Trump is a retard, but he is /ourretard/

>>12225932
Soumission doesn't say that Islam is good, houellebecq is known for not liking it at all. It is merely not as bad as 'liberalism' or whatever you call it.

>>12224221
>Obama didn't escalate foreign wars
This reads like empty pandering. It's kind of pathetic how it manages to hit all the typical leftists points to appeal to.

>The Americans are relying more and more on drones, which—if they knew how to use these weapons—could have allowed them to reduce the number of civilian casualties (but the fact is that Americans have always been incapable, practically since aviation began, of carrying out a proper bombing).

>>12224162
>the european common market is fanfuckingtastic.
The problems with the EU are mostly not economical, though there are also economical problems with it. Weaker states can't keep up with the stronger states, the euro is too strong for their economies and their markets get flooded by cheap high quality products from the rich nations, which forces them into niches like the southern states concentrating on cheap food production for the rest of the EU or the eastern nations providing cheap labor.

Then there is the (at this point undeniable) movement towards the European super state. A movement that is to some degree a natural progression of the matter described above, but also a concentrated effort by the people at the top of the EU. The problem with this is that it is orchestrated behind closed doors without the consent of the public. The citizens of the EU states voted to be members of a EU that was defined as a trade union, they did not agree to being part of United States of Europe.

The government system of the EU is undemocratic and oligarchic nature. Laws are being made behind close doors by the 28 members of the European Commission, making deals with the industry and one another that are not transparent to the public in any way shape or form. Obviously this commission is also dominated by the strongest states in the EU. The members of the Commission are appointed by the respective heads of government of the members states and are not elected directly by the public. Most people in Europe don't even know who these people are who basically run the continent. The European Parliament, which is directly elected by the public on the other hand is comparatively powerless. They can only vote on or amend laws handed down from the Commission. If they refuse to pass a law then the Commission can just put it up for vote again and again until it is accepted. It's basically a charade. By the way this was also done in EU referendums regarding joining the union. They just voted again and again until the people of a nation agreed to join the EU.

Then there is the media in the EU which is also controlled by corporate interests and is basically completely dedicated to spreading propaganda. Like being for mass immigration (the overlords need more cheap workers) and framing all populist reformers from the right or left as dangerous extremists. Just look at how they reported on the Yellow West protests in the France. Their pro-EU-interest puppet Macron is sitting on shaky ground. The media had previously sold him as some kind of reformer to the people, which of course now looks somewhat hilarious in retrospect. Similar sentiments spread all across Europe, even in Germany. If the EU does not reform its government structure to be more democratic and transparent then I am almost certain it is doomed to collapse in the near future.

>>12223978
I love the smugness of all these Europeans who constantly prophesize the demise or irrelevance of America. They're wrong everytime, but that never deters their constant retarded oracles.
>China are the good guys
lol it's embarrassing what qualifies as an 'intellectual' these days

>>12224130
Iran is unironically a really nice place. The people and the country are both fantastic.
Especially considering they've been under sanctions for like 40 years, they've done really well for themselves.

>>12224321
>''I as a libertarian''
Stopped reading right there.

>>12224760
>Ted Cruz should have been president. Honestly, the guy is moral America personified. He would've been W. without the negatives. For lack of a less lame term; Lawful good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gplpSfaouP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QMDvxiEfyQ
Wish I could find that one with his mom. He is a horrifying soulless person.

>>12224204
Trump's controversial rhetoric made liking him controversial. I voted for him and even I can see that.

>>12226075
>wow his daughter is being grumpy in public, what a monster.

>>12225733
Agronomy is unironically a more worthwhile pursuit than any humanities degree.
Prove me wrong.
Protip: You can't

>>12225912
Underrated.

>>12225999
Your average citizen is uneducated on , irrationnal, and quite frankly stupid ; in fact the dumber they are the louder they call for "direct democracy" like what they are doing in France.
Democracy as a spectacle for the mass had a good run but the curtain is unraveling so bad that even the dumb hicks can see through it now. Something has to be done.

>>12224147
He was Welsh, fucking England stealing our lime light again

>>12225532
Blue collar pleb here. He has done more to stand up for my interests than any president in the last 38+ years. Every president since Reagan has attacked viciously the ability of working people to get ahead. The Washington consensus on neoliberalism has damaged terribly the state of working people. He talks like my concerns are legitimate. the Democratic party has long forsaken any loyalty to the unions, they just use them as a vote piggy bank by scaremongering how awful the Republicans are. They are right in this regard, but the Republicans are awful for working man to the exact extent that they are in consensus with the Democrats on economic matters.

You know what is in my interest? There being jobs for people of my skill level in my country. Not flooding the job market with a bunch of foreigners. Small things like that. Things that 'help the poor' do not help me. A minimum wage does not help me, I make well above it because there is competition among companies for my abilities.

I cannot help but feel that you are not a working person and you are completely divorced from the reality of people like me. I think the guy talks like a moron and his foreign policy is weak in some ways but Houellebecq is right on this account.

>>12224162

t.Neoshitlib

The common market has destroyed the productivity and competitiveness of southern Europe, here in Greece we are literally importing tomatoes from fucking Poland.

>>12226286
>in Greece we are literally importing tomatoes from fucking Poland
Why? Are they that much cheaper to buy than to produce yourselves?

Weird how 'buy local' and 'neoliberal global integration' are both ideas of some popularity on the left.

>>12226286
TOURISM MAN LISTEN TO FRAU MERKEL YOU'RE ONLY USEFUL FOR TOURISM GO DRIVE A TUK-TUK ON DIOGENES' HILLS

>>12226293
The EU paid some countries to de-industrialize. You figure out that free-market

Feels good being an american and not eating pollock tomatoes

>>12224221
nothing like listening to a frenchman whining about american military adventures abroad as if the inability to do so anymore is proof of moral superiority

>>12226401

>inability to do so anymore
Not even true. They've messed with Central African Republic for instance

>>12226298
>The EU paid some countries to de-industrialize.
What are you talking about?

It slapped more regulations and opened up to competition which might've killed some factories which weren't as productive or as clean as competitors.

You might be thinking of the PAC, which did create perverse incentives for overproducing some goods (like dairy) and downsizing production of locally-targeted production (now agricultural production is much more directed towards exports, which isn't necessarily a bad thing because comparative advantages relate to immutable geographical and climate factors but does increase food miles which is bad for the environment).

>>12226406
my point was if it wasn't the united states it'd be someone else, but the french and british are uniquely bitter and sanctimonious being residents of failed empires

>>12224162
You literally don't know anything about shit all do you

>>12226286
I hope you don't think you would become more "productive" or "competitive" without just lowering the average living standards dramatically. Even if the EU broke up Southern Europes problems would probably get worse, that's like thinking Alabama would become more "competitive" just if the USA broke up

>>12226298
>The EU paid some countries to de-industrialize.
Countries don't need to be paid to deindustrialize... industrial production for export lead growth isn't much of a viable growth strategy any more so instead of trying to subsidize 20th century industries you should be thinking of why you aren't capable of actually establishing modern profitable sectors and just importing cheap labour intensive foreign goods

>>12225999
Spot on. And nice digits.

>>12226286
Still don't get why you elected communists to fix an economy. Literally anyone else could have done the "no we just don't pay back germoney" move.

>>12224130
>look at Iran
not "western"

>>12223978
He has kind of a basic french conservative view, something akin to Eric Zémmour but probably with less "french grandeur" autism. It's kind of a let down to me, not because he's right wing (so am I) which anyone could have guessed but because he cares about meme like anglo-french rivalvry and France as something that still exists. I think he is not going far enough in his analysis which is a bit superficial imo.

>>12224303
Bro, he does not know much about american politics. Why are you people so baffled about the fact that the rest of the world can not name every single member of trump's cabinet when you can't place south africa on a map?

>>12224269
>Yeah the gulf war was a huge failure.
Thanks for confirming for me that this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

>>12224162
Europeans can't stand each other and it's dissolving because of economic, demographic and immigration problems. Good luck, idiot. The Span, Portugal, Italy and Greece are in perpetual debt and the north countries are autistic cucks who lack self-awareness. You people can't even breed.

>>12224162
>the european common market is fanfuckingtastic.
It's basically irrelevant if Europe starts turning into the middle East.

Personally I like the Idea of the EU, but not of an EU which hates the European population with a seemingly burning passion...

>>12224760

this reads like a joke to me. jesus. no one fucking likes ted cruz. "he would've been W" the age of politicians like W is over.

>>12224221
I already read Rise of the Rest by Fareed Zakaria literally a decade ago when it was first published. As is typical, the rest of the world lags behind the United States.

>>12227673
For the same reason the rest of the world only knows about the shit they care about but likes to run their mouths about how ignorant Americans are - petty ego defense.

>Houellebecq: Trump is great because his presidency is reducing the power and escope of the American Empire

>"The Left": Wow, just wow, what a fascist this Houellebecq guy is

I guess Gore Vidal would be considered a fascist to these guys too, nowadays.

>>12227834
Well I was mostly being a cunt because we are on 4chan, still I'm saying that Houellebecq has a french viewpoint of american politics. He's not much interested in it, the few things he know he got from french media that spinned their CNN fed news in a way french people would understand and ginally he's projecting french politics unto america's.

>The United States of America is no longer the world’s leading power. It was for a long time, for almost the entire course of the twentieth century. It isn’t anymore.
>It’s very good news for the rest of the world.
>China will scale back its overweening ambitions. This outcome will be the hardest to achieve, but in the end, China will limit its aspirations, and India will do the same. China has never been a global imperialist power, nor has India—unlike the United States, their military aims are local.

This guy is quite the retard. The only thing holding back the other super states is the overwhelming thread of the US military and sanction power. If I have the choice between being ruled by the US or by China or Russia then I will always take the US.

>>12227927
Let me guess, you are American, right? Because when the rest of the world has a choice, they increasingly choose closer partnerships with Russia and China over American-imposed neoliberalism.

>>12227941
Kek yeah right if another obama like figure is elected your cuck eu leaders will come crawling back

>>12227941
Nah, I am European. And if you think American neoliberalism is worse than Chinese corporate colonialism in Africa then you are positively brain damaged.

>>12227941
Absolutely this.

>>12227951
Nothing can be worse then neo liberalism.

>>12227958
>Nothing can be worse then neo liberalism.
I call bait

>>12227951
If you believe European countries are free to choose between American and Chinese influence you are very naive. Europe is an occupied continent. Africa, Asia and (most of) Latin America are not, they can choose between the U.S. and China, and they choose China.

>>12227951
>if you think American neoliberalism is worse than Chinese corporate colonialism in Africa then you are positively brain damaged

But is. Just compare Africa in the 90s, under the rule of neoliberals with Africa now. Then it was civil wars, now it's economic growth and development.

>>12227966
It isn't.
The soul destroying nothingness of shilling for corporate interests, while pandering to the masses with gibbs and consumerism, is the peak of everything that is wrong with the world.

>>12224542

>>12227981
I prefer being shilled to in a world full of rich nihilistic teenagers like you are, instead of slaving away in a factory that has nets in front of the windows so people can't even escape into death.

>>12227977
Even the European colonialism was better than what China is doing. At least the classical colonial powers invested in local infrastructure and education and tried to better the locals in their own twisted way, instead of just trying to wring out as much money and resources as possible before moving on like carrion birds.

>>12228007
>I prefer being shilled to in a world full of rich nihilistic teenagers like you are, instead of slaving away in a factory that has nets in front of the windows so people can't even escape into death.
Why?
At least if you suffer you have a chance to live, life without out suffering is beyond meaningless. Being in constant agony and in constant joy is practically the same.

>>12225999
I like you :)

>>12228014
Your life in the west is meaningless because of your own making. People choose to live their lives filled by a corporate jobs, have 1.5 children and watch TV all day. Nobody forces you to do it. You actually have the freedom to do something meaningful, you just lack the willingness to do it.

>>12224130
>I don't, look at Iran
can anybody possibly be this dumb
do you think Iran exists in a vacuum

>>12228037
That's absolutely ridiculous, no I am a bee drowning in honey, there is no escape.

I am not "Free" Freedom implies not only the physical/legal ability to do something but also the mental capacity and by that standard I am shackled with bonds of submarine steel.

>>12228063
Then jump out of your net-less window.

>>12225999
Bring undemocratic isn't the problem. The problem of the EU is that they seem to have a burning hatred for the European people and as you can see with e.g. Germany having a democracy is not a protection against that.

>>12228072
I literally can't, again, I don't have the mental strength to cause myself suffering, I can barely leave my couch with a comfy blanket to brush my teeth and go to bed.

>>12223978
>leading french intellectual
>houellebecq
>not Badiou

>>12224162
This guy gets it.

>>12228103
You can't really call some 100 year old guy past his prime and peak mental performance a leading intellectual.