/lit/ - Literature

kys

>>12186264

>>12186254
Just consume MSM every day.

>>12186254
Lenin
Kropotkin
Goldman
Marx
Althusser

some pretty basics to start with i guess

Leftypol has made a flowchart, but I'm on my phone and thus not in possession of it.

>>12186279
>thinking the MSM is actually leftist
remember you can press the button next to your bed if you forget how not to choke on your own spit again and someone will come help.

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>>12186293
Right, I forgot that leftism has never been tried in real life and every so called communist state wasn't REALLY communist therefore it doesn't count.

>>12186309
You can't even defend your dumb MSM post can you. Immediate move to a new topic.

>>12186365
There's nothing to rebut here, kiddo:
>remember you can press the button next to your bed if you forget how not to choke on your own spit again and someone will come help.

>>12186293
>uhmmm ackshuallyy theyre liberal

Leftism has never existed and will never work. NEOLIBGANG

>>12186254
>Implying they read

>>12186254
In case you're not baiting:
Grover Furr: Bloodlies, Kruschev Lied.
A. Murphy: Triumph of Evil
Mobo Gao: Battle for China's Past
Nickolay Yakovlev: Archipelago of Lies
Rosa Luxemburg: Reform or Revolution
Selected writings of Alexandra Kollontai
Ludo Martens: Another view of Stalin
Konstantin Chernishenko: Human rights in the Soviet Society

Obviosly, what >>12186280 said as well.

This will keep you busy for a while

>>12187475
Or you can just skip to the end and move on with your life.

>>12187501
That chart is the end, I was of course implying to start with the greeks first!

>>12186293

Not that guy, but of course the MSM is leftist by any real standard-a center-right one. If you disagree, then you are a stupid person. Next you'll be preening again about some immaterial distinction between classical/neo/liberalism and Marxism, or the corporate character of today's media, as if it matters.

>>12186280
Don't forget Sorel

>>12186254
anything by Buddha, or Nagarjuna

>>12186254
How tf in one month /lit/ turned into leftypol vol. 2.0 Just look in a catalog dumbass, there were three (3!) Threads about leftist literature today and there are probably another three in archive. Is this some fucking leftist raid???.
>inb4 fucking /pol/tard gtfo to containment board.
Nope im not from there just dont understand this ammount of shitty politician threads.

>communists
https://youtu.be/JBKYA2aeXHA

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>>12186254
>> Leftist
>> Literature
He isn't asking for political tracts, you faggots.
Anon, read the Strugatskys, Yefremov, Mayakovsky, Platonov, Kataev, Akhmatova, Tsvetaeva, Bulgakov, Pasternak, Alexander Zinoviev and the pre-Archipelago Solzhenitsyn. For starters. God-tier.

>>12188772
Thanks

>>12186293
>leftist humour

>>12187566
>the corporate character of today's media, as if it matters
How does it not?

>Americans think CNN is leftist
Most democrats would be considered centre right in Europe.

>>12188772
> the pre-Archipelago Solzhenitsyn
why, Anon, did he change his mind or something?

>>12186254
For some reason I doubt that Marx had good posture

>>12188784
>still believing in the left/right spectrum
idiot

Eric HOBSBAWM

Go read about the concept of social banditry. You'll thank yourself for it and feel good about things.

>>12188817
hobsyawn more like. This guy doesn't even try to conceal his bias towards leftism

>>12188796
Pretty sure he was an alcoholic book nerd who was just resentful poor people didn't agree with him.

>>12188772
>be member of Russian intelligentsia during the Soviet era
>hate the soul-numbing effects of leftist ideology, but also value your life and having your work published
>opt for peaceful reform within the parameters of the system and satire instead
>get called a "leftist" 80 years by people on a Sri Lankan origami picture show internet site

you don't get to become as BASED as pic related and write things like Morphine and Heart of a Dog through the cultural sickness that is leftism.

>12188772 (You)
>Strugatskys, Yefremov, Mayakovsky, Platonov, Kataev, Akhmatova, Tsvetaeva, Bulgakov, Pasternak, Alexander Zinoviev and the pre-Archipelago Solzhenitsyn
>Solzhenitsyn

>leftist
b8(8)/8

>>12186254
atlas shrugged
mein kampf
a vindication of the rights of women

>>12186365
There's nothing he needs to defend dude, the msm has been leftist for years and it just gets worse.

>>12186254
step 1: start a fire
step 2: throw it in the fire

ITT: Discord trannies.

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>>12190013
At least they seem more mentally healthy than any of the lost /v/irgins that feel the inkling to spam threads with this irrelevant bullshit.

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>>12190025
I’m not done, sweaty. Don’t interrupt.

>>12190030

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>>12190039

why are /pol/tards always seething at every mention of Marx/socialism/leftism? How can people be so insecure about their ideology?

>>12190045
I’m done for now, I guess.

Sent from my iPhone.

Edit: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

>>12190046

>>12190025
spotted the legitimate discord tranny

>>12190055
Not at all, but I would rather be around discord transvestites than abnoxious b-style posters. I don't care about discord and your cringe comp is going in my cringe comp.

>>12186254
Those Marxes look more like Walt Whitman imho

>>12186395
>Grover Furr
fucking embarrassing

>>12187566
>immaterial distinction between classical/neo/liberalism and Marxism
your lack of understanding of these concepts is showing. liberalism and socialism are, of course, incompatible, being based on different modes of production

anyway, i'd recommend the works of Laclau and Mouffe for something interesting. they call themselves post-Marxist, they go too far in their assertions, but still very interesting and relevant.

oh, and Gramsci's prison notebooks are essential if you want a Marxism that moves beyond childish marxism-leninism.

Beginners’ Reading List for Marxism (including works by Engels)
Always keep in mind that Engels’ works are his interpretations of Marx, not Marx himself. In addition, he offers original insights (correct and incorrect) that are not attributable to Marx.

Introduction and Overview

(M) Marx’s Letter to J. Weydemeyer (1852)
(E) Draft of a Communist Confession of Faith
(E) The Principles of Communism
(M/E) The Communist Manifesto
(E) Socialism: Utopian and Scientific
Foundations of Marx’s Critique

(The foundations of Marx's outlook were completed around 1846 to 1847, which was "a time," said Engels, "when Marx had cleared up for himself the basic features of his new historical and economic outlook". The following works range in dates from 1843 to 1846.)

(M) Marx to Ruge (Sep. 1843)
(M) Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844
(M/E) The Holy Family, Chapter Four Excerpt
(M) Theses on Feuerbach
(M/E) The German Ideology, Chapter One
Critique of Political Economy

(M) Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, Preface
(E) Letters on Historical Materialism
(M) ‘Estranged Labor’ from Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts
(M) Wage-Labor and Capital
(M) Value, Price, and Profit
(M) Capital Vol. 1
Critique of Socialism

(E) Letter to Bebel (1882)
(M) The Poverty of Philosophy
(M) Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League
(M) Inaugural Address of the International Workingmen’s Association
(M) Strategy and Tactics of the Class Struggle
(M) The Civil War in France
(M) Conspectus of Bakunin’s ‘Statism and Anarchy’
(E) On Authority
(M) Critique of the Gotha Programme
(E) Anti-Duhring

For dispelling myths about marxism
https://marxmyths.org/index.php

Anarchism
What is property by proudhon
Philosophy of poverty by proudhon
Statism and anarchy by bakunin
Mutual aid and the conquest of bread by kropotkin

>>12190543
You can find all the Marxist works online for free on Marxists.org
And the anarchist ones on theanarchistlibrary.org

>>12190543
how is a list of works written in the 19th century at all relevant in the present day? I mean, sure, it's good to get foundational knowledge, but it really isn't the case that most of these are worth reading.

Take Capital Vol. 1. It's over a thousand pages long. Harvey's The Limits to Capital distils everything essential in it, and actually brings it up to date.

Also I would really suggest you to read up more and more about left-communism and communization rather than marxism-leninism or Maoism
If you're interested I would like to provide some resources on leftcom or communization too

Watcha doin' son, reading your old commie gobblygook again?
Just kidding, champ. I love the Marx Brothers.

>>12190589
Please don't read any secondary sources or commentaries on capital
Read the actual capital by Marx , the first 3 chapters are difficult but after that it's a relatively easy read

Seems like the right place to ask - any recommendations for British/Irish working class literature? - have read some of the Young Angry Men (Silitoe mainly, because a lot of writers grouped under that not very helpful tag seem to be Oxford types) but looking for more.

>>12186279
fpbp

>>12186293
ahh, the eternal purity spiraling of the left. reminder that even if you support left now, they will murder you for being insufficiently left anyways in the future once their spiraling reaches its typical conclusion that happens every time.

>>12188772
>pre-Archipelago Solzhenitsyn
the extent of mind games lefties go to shield themselves from cognitive dissonance is nothing short of mental illness

>>12190904
>british angry young men
the concerns of getting yelled at by school administrators seem so trite compared to migrant gang rapes.

>>12188784
Why do you repeat this lie? Democrats are 100% on identity politics train and are to be considered far-left now. Not to mention CNN doesn't even pretend to be non-partisan anymore.

>>12190046
Because it's proven not to work, 100% failure rate comparatively and decisively. People who do not understand that and buy into commie rhetoric are incredibly stupid, and people who understand that but use commie rhetoric for personal gain are incredibly dangerous, text-book examples of psychopaths. Both groups deserve gas. Any more questions?

>>12186280
>No Sorel
>No Bakunin

How much butthurt does Bakunin cause because he's not some bourgeois autist who think that nationalism is a product or capitalism

>>12190969
and fascism is in any way different how?

>>12191086
I didn't advocate for fascism. I explained to you why /pol/ hates Marx/socialism/leftism when you asked. Take it or leave it.

>>12190977
this

>>12190952
>identity politics are exclusively left-wing
>capitalists are to be considered far-left
Please read a couple of books before posting here.

>>12190952
>he thinks idpol is what makes something far left
lol

>>12191153
>not sufficiently leftist!!!!!!111
Aaaand here comes the purity spiraling. Like a clockwork. Choke on dick.

i started with marxists.org and reddit/socialist starter pack, OP, you won't go wrong with those

i grew out of ideology when i started working minimum wage jobs after high school because i couldn't afford to go to university. my dumb parents raised me a republican voter and my religious teachers in school didn't help me either. i am basically re-educating myself properly trying to fix all the damage the state and tradition did to my impressionable, underdeveloped mind. i am so mad

>>12186254
>Leftist literature
It's just called literature, OP.
Start with the Greeks or fuck off.

>>12190046
>why are /pol/tards always seething at every mention of Marx/socialism/leftism? How can people be so insecure about their ideology?

reactionaries are dangerous. they react violently to what they fear the most. that is why they find solace in religious, state, and corporate sponsored propaganda telling them they have everything under control and will keep away the brown people and the communists for just a few of their dollars every Sunday morning. ignore them and reach out to the few enlightened out there like OP asking questions and willing to hear opposing views and unconventional wisdom

>>12190046
why are /leftypol/tards always seething at every mention of anyone else right of Marx/capitalism/rightism? How can people be so insecure about their ideology?

>>12191194
This better be b8

>>12186254
socrates. plato, the bible, kant, hegel, marx and then all the marxist.

>>12190025
>mentally healthy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>12191228
thank you for your based post

>>12191198
>greeks
>leftists

>>12191228
Post body.

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>>12190013
Still looks better than reddit grandmas

>>12192709
Not really, comrade.

>>12192728
actually it is

>>12192905
Mentally ill communists chopping their penises off looks better than some cringey posts from 2015 of old women talking about 4chan?

A picture of Marx's face made out of coins is the corniest book cover possible, but the David Harvey Capital book, along with the Ben Fine + Alfredo Saad-Filho book, are the best intros you could go with for the critique of political economy (that I know of)

>>12192905
>cute old ladies figuring out computers
>surgically deformed, SSRI numbed transvestites

>>12192925
imagine trying to defend the invasion of 4chan by bommer reddit scum

>>12187935
Because the ground is shifting. Watch, you'll be either gone or adopt some sort of anticorporate stance like the fools before you in 2010.

>>12193069
also a lot of /leftypol/ comrades have since returned to 4chan after the BO split the board and destroyed much of the community with his "anti-imperialism"

>>12193046
Imagine trying to defend the invasion of 4chan by discord trannies.
Imagine reading on /r/chapotraphouse that 4chan was a leftist paradise before the election and people only said nigger, I mean the n-word, ironically.
Imagine thinking that those old ladies ever made more than a few posts.
Imagine deflecting from being called out for being a the discord tranny that you are.
Imagine chopping of your penis so you can have an open wound that you have to shove a dildo into to keep it from healing.
Imagine calling your open wound a vagina.
Imagine replying to this with something like “imagine being this mad”.
Imagine being a communist.
Don’t @ me.

>>12193096
>Imagine replying to this with something like “imagine being this mad”.
imagine being this mad tho

>>12193136
I said don’t @ me.

>>12193151
you seem consumed by irrational anger at a tiny fraction of 4chan's population

>>12192925
mentally ill people cutting their dicks off are better than boomer grandma's yes.

where the fuck do you think you are?

>>12193176
>>12193178
Discord trannies.

>>12193252
4chan is changing ideologically and you can do nothing except ineffectually lash out against it.

>>12186254
>It costs money just to visit this man's grave.
Even in death Marx performs a capitalist function.

>>12193298
do you think this is some major own?

>>12193306
Do you think it’s normal to cut off your penis?

>>12193298
Marx in Capital: the material world around us is produced through specific social relations that I characterise as capitalism.
Guy who has to close "Your disk is almost full" dialog window every time he boots up because of metastasised anime reaction image folder: it's ironic that Marx lived in a world produced through capitalist social relations.

>>12193324
you seem pretty obsessed with trannies

>>12193324
If you want to

>>12193306
No, just stating the irony.

>>12193330
>>12193334
You will never be a real woman and, like most discord trannies, you’re statistically likely to kill yourselves. Mentally healthy people don’t cut off their penises, nor are mentally healthy people communists.

>>12193329
>Marx in Capital: the material world around us is produced through specific social relations that I characterize as capitalism.
Right, but his entire argument was the dismantling of these capitalist relationships and replacing them with socialist ones. I wasn't trying to prove a point for or against socialism, just stating how all these years later even his corpse is still working in a capitalist society. That must be indescribably frustrating to him, which makes it funny to me.

One more try, comrades, I’m sure it’ll work this time!

>>12193354
Tell me more about your mother. Did she care for you?

>>12193252
>>12193262
it's not changing ideologically.. if anything it's reacting/been slowly recognizing the invading force of causefags from /pol/

>>12193362
Yeah, it's undeniably true that the tensions at the level of theory or history Marx uncovered did absolutely not develop in the way he thought they would practically and politically

>>12193375
She did, but she also wasn’t overbearing. I was allowed to walk home from school by myself. She’s been happily married to my father for over thirty years. He was a good parent as well, he never beat me, yet still instilled discipline and good ethics in me. As a result of my childhood I have grown into a mentally healthy young man. I am neither a communist, nor a penisless discord tranny.

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>>12193418
Cope.

>>12193388
A lot of the boards are moving left, mostly because people are so sick and tired after three years of /pol/ autism.

It's more prevalent on /a/ and the other anime-centric boards where there's a substantial centre-left presence.

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>>12193430
Delusional.

>>12193401
It sounds like your parents let the family computer raise you, to be honest.

You also seem to have an unhealthy obsession with dicks and trannies.

>>12193430
>It's more prevalent on /a/ and the other anime-centric boards where there's a substantial centre-left presence.
This is why no one on 4chan likes either /pol/ or lefty-/pol/, you fucks always have to bring your political bullshit and taint it with everyone you see, hear and touch. /a/ is for anime, not politics. The only people on /a/ who post anything you might construe as political are the same autists who shitpost and derail threads because they feel they have to be the centre of attention wherever they go. That is a very small minority of 4chan outside of /pol/, despite what you might believe from your 2 years of experience on this site.

>>12193451
I don’t know where you pulled that from, your arse most likely. We sat down for family dinners most nights and I wasn’t allowed to play video games for more than two hours on the weekends. I also haven’t chopped my penis off and made an axe wound on my crotch that I have to dilate for four hours a day.

>>12188784
When it comes to issue like culture and immigrants, the Democrats might be the most left wing party on earth. In Europe, saying something like "we need to restrict immigration" it considered an intelligent and respectable position. In America, saying this will get you branded as fascist by the Democratic Party.

You can't purely look at the desire for public spending. Democrats are now at the point where they want to abolish immigration enforcement. This would be a radical position in Europe.

>>12193505
I swear there is nothing more nauseating than burger fumes

>>12193531
Go ahead and make a snarky reply but you know its right. Europeans want public spending but there is still a deep embedded conservatism in their culture that is absent in USA.

>>12193505
dude any time a european politician even suggests restricting immigration the nytimes will run stories all week about a rising tide of fascism returning to europe or whatever guaranteed

>>12193505
Damn dude you figured it out! Obama did in fact secretly abolish ICE and establish open borders! The fact that 1.2 million asylum seekers entered Germany in 2015-2016 and that during that period the USA only accepted a maximum of 85,000 asylum seekers per year are just counter-information from ZOG to make you forget Europe's pure racial ideals. Bill Clinton definitely did not hire a record number of border guards. The Democrats are absolutely the utopian ideal of liberated human movement, and the best humanity can ever realistically hope for in coming to terms with movement across nation states and through zones of capital is timid 21st-century social-democratic European policy.

>>12193544
>1.2 million asylum seekers entered Germany in 2015-2016

Holy shit that a ludicrous amount of people in a short period, wtf is wrong with krauts

>>12193561
its because merkel was in charge for like 20 years , supposedly a democracy but they sure dont change leadership too often

>>12193473

Think pic related in regards to Gamergate. Not everything is "omg trolls from /pol/". If you cover your ears and pretend nothing is happening then your hobby is going to get more and more corrupted by political influence.

>>12193567
whoops

someone make a graph in excel showing the relationship between times you fuck every month and likelihood that someone obsesses over immigration but thinks global warming is a hoax

>>12193544
Fucking retard. The fact it happened in Germany is because the government forced it upon them, not because it had public support.

People in France, Germany, Canada most places in Europe want to restrict immigration more than the CURRENT Democrats, this is a fact. Your stupid, silly tone almost seems like a defense mechanism, because you know Im right

>>12193573
>Belief systems are intrinsic to human intelligence and survival. They frame the flux of primary experience, which would otherwise flood the mind.
jesus christ what a pseud

>>12193576
Yeah, I guess deep down I know you're right! Sorry for being silly.

Democrats have popular support for immigration reform? And that support is reflected at the level of the rhetoric and policies of their politicians in power? That's so cool!

>>12193575
haha woah leftists fuck amirite?

>>12193576
Peppering your arguments with insults and cusses is a hallmark that you're insecure about the validity of your own argument and are using bluster to hide that fact.

Faggot.

>>12193590
incel cope

>>12193575
>The 1804 Haiti massacre was carried out against the remaining white population of native French people and French Creoles (or Franco-Haitians) in Haiti by Haitian soldiers under orders from Jean-Jacques Dessalines. He had decreed that all suspected of conspiring in the acts of the expelled army should be put to death.[1]
>The massacre, which took place throughout Haiti, occurred from early January 1804 until 22 April 1804, and resulted in the death of 3,000 to 5,000 men, women, and children.[2] Squads of soldiers moved from house to house, torturing and killing entire families.[3] Even whites who had been friendly and sympathetic to the black population were imprisoned and later killed.[4] A second wave of massacres targeted white women and children.[4]
This will be you and you’re urbanite friends the moment the brown hordes outnumber you, which won’t be long now.

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>>12193573
>Religion is a belief system intrinsic to human survival
No
>My substitute for religion is art
What a backwards way of unsuccessfully trying to prove why your art degree is worth something to society.

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>>12193596
haha woah leftists fuck amirite?

>>12193590
if u ever spent time with leftist they are like a group of chimps, one chad fucks most of the chicks, and all the other dudes are resentful that this guy is violating the rules of feminism by seducing chicks

>>12193596
I get laid friend the hurr if you disagree with me means you don't get laid fallacy is a little played out don't you think?

>>12193612
Jesus. What are you even arguing at this point?

>>12193602
Yikes! As a 19th-century French slave owner, this has me quivering in my leather boots. The eternal coloured horde seeks metaphysical vengeance of my pale purity!

>>12193618
Yes.

>>12193617
that some leftists fuck a lot but most dont

>>12193567
>If you cover your ears and pretend nothing is happening then your hobby is going to get more and more corrupted by political influence.
Not too sure I follow your reasoning. Are you trying to argue that Marxists are obsessed with viewing everything in society from a political standpoint? Because if so then I agree, but it's the exact same mindset as /pol/ and the alt-right. Politic ideologies don't fall on a linear scale, its closer to a horseshoe.

>>12193617
Hmmm. Obviously you have not spent time with Leftists, whom are much like the Neanderthals of yore, centring around one "pack-leader" or "friend-who-fucks" — would a taxonomy of skull shapes help?

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>>12193643
I think you both need to go to bed. Aren't exams coming up?

>>12193575
I mean conservatives like vastly outbreed liberals so idk what your point is.

>>12193618
Do you really believe that non-whites aren’t extremely tribal? This will not end well and it’ll end within our lifetime.

>>12193648
One has a significantly higher rate of stable marriage than the other. Interestingly I wonder if that corresponds with domestic abuse?

>>12193643
the guy who fucks isnt the leader, the leader is usually the gay guy from the most expensive college, the guy who fucks doesnt want to lead he just wants ass

>>12193647
Wow. I have no need for rote study. I merely google image search "Plato" and scroll through the results, absorbing the wisdom contained in that noble and well-formed brow.

>>12193654
>conservatives are mentally stable have happy marriages
>they must be beating their wives
We’re not Muslims. Lesbians have the highest rate of domestic abuse anyway.

>>12193602
SSRIs can probably help whatever you're suffering from

>>12193651

Imagine being a Haitian slave. Wouldn't white people - until you developed a better idea of the history of your situation - spear to be doing what they're doing because of their "highly tribal" nature?

>>12193603
Militant atheism hasn't won over a single state. In North Korea there's Roman emperor worship. The Russian Orthodox church is alive and well. In China:
>According to Peter Ng, Professor of the Department of Religion at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, as of 2002, 95% of Chinese were religious in some way if religion is considered to include traditional folk practices such as burning incense for gods or ancestors at life-cycle or seasonal festivals, fortune telling and related customary practices

Marxism, a materialist ideology, ignores man's unconscious and his spiritual needs. An apolitical pop culture directed at the masses might do that, but cultural Marxism interferes in that aim.

It's amazing how much you're missing the point.

>>12193693
*spear = appear

>>12193693
So it’s okay to kill people that want to help you and innocent women and children if they’re white and prefer their own tribe? And you’re okay with that happening to you to atone for your original sin of being from the white tribe?

>>12193675
>A stable marriage is a happy marriage
A stable marriage only means you're not cheating or at risk of divorce. Plenty of couples in domestic abuse classify as stable because they incorporate it as part of their relationship. The point about lesbians is true though, so I guess that answers my question.

>>12193705
Of course

The silver lining of the carnage of world war I was that dipshit nationalists like the ones in this thread would have immediately enlisted in 1914 and gotten ripped to shreds by german machine guns

>>12193705
That sounds extremely cool. Where do I sign up

>>12193639

The only thing that will destroy cultural Marxism and allow mainstream movies, music, and video games to return to ars gratis artis, is counter-revolutionary action.

>>12193696
I'm not doubting the importance or omnipresence of religion in society, but to utter such stupid hyperbole like "religion is a belief system intrinsic to human survival" is beyond moronic. Religion, as this person pointed out, is not intrinsic to human survival, but some type of spiritual belief system is according to them. It's true life is bland and meaningless without some form of spiritual belief, but it certainly isn't "intrinsic to human survival".

>>12193735
oh no star wars had a black guy in it, cultural marxism is ruining the west, fuckin kill urself brah

>>12193744
>this person
>doesnt know who camile paglia is
>calls others pseud

yikes

>>12193735
Ha, unironically go neck yourself. You're no better than the sjw trash ruining your escapist media.

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>>12193753
>using others arguments because you're too lazy to come up with your own
The pinnacle of pseud.

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you have to admit tho star trek really was ahead of its time that shit would trigger fatkids today if it came out in 2018, but it was released in the damn 60s

>>12193769
>Hating people for making everything political because they hate others who make everything political makes you a political agent
There is no end to this viscious cycle.

>>12193769
If you're trying to argue I'm a bleeding liberal then you couldn't be further from the truth, but keep projecting.

>>12193747
prime example of a completely non-political movie that once captivated people being transformed into sterile trash. Without any political intent, Lando was cast as black in the Empire Strikes Back. Yet you see the clear racial divides in casting colored people as good guys vs. evil white raycissts in the new one. But that doesn't describe the entire backlash towards the series. It fails on its artistic merits, which have degenerated because of the new critical emphasis on political correctness.

Here, as recently as Nov 19th, a Broadway musical is being condemned in the New York Times for having a mostly white cast:
>The Rockettes and Race: A Very White Christmas - The New York Times
>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/30/nyregion/the-rockettes-and-race-a-very-white-christmas.amp.html
>"the crowd was very white"
>"I talked to the producer and was informed that the cast was only 10 percent people of color"

>>12193761
Sam Hyde charges people $10 a month so that they can watch him in his 2007 Toyota Tercel rant into a camera about credit card interest charges

He personally tanked MDE with his massive fucking ego and he deserves the hell he lives in right now

>>12193811
I agree but that tweet is spot on.

>>12193806
>a completely non-political movie
Star Wars has always been a pure embodiment of liberal ideology. It's just that you're mad that the liberal zeitgeist isn't catering to your racial fetishes anymore

>>12193813
It isn't, it's just more dehumanization as what >>12193778 describes

>>12193814
Great now the Disney shills are in the thread. Lucas didn’t give a fuck about making a “liberal” movie when he made Star Wars. That is such a fucking bald-faced lie. Your the racial fetishist. The old movies didn’t give a fuck about race. Your new movies are dogshit, Kathleen. Everybody knows it.

>>12193814

Who are the fetishists? Who goes to Broadway shows, asks "what percentage of this cast is people of color?", then trashes the whole show in an article because it's "too white"?

>>12193834
Communists aren’t human.

>>12193806
Politics isn't some process detached from the state of the society it grows from - Star Wars always reflected liberal politics. Yeah, not in this desperate money-grubbing way it does now, but the political was always there. Star Wars was always a story about a bunch of weird rebellious losers fighting a straight-laced conforming society of old white guys with British accents. Today's Star Wars is more racial and hammy about it but it's still the same general schtick.

>>12193849
To put it another way: Lando being a black rebel wasn't a big deal, but there were no black guys on the Empire's side.

>>12193843
>cognitive dissonance detected

>>12186254
ah yes this thread is still up but the library thread is not

4channel was a mistake

>>12193843
Not an argument.

>>12193842
>Who are the fetishists?
You are.

>>12193868
Not a real woman.

>>12193849
I want to do zizek voice but it's late and I need to go to bed.

>>12193883
The wall isn't going to be built, amnesty will be granted to millions of illegals, the Supreme Court will be packed with five new liberal justices and Obamacare will be replaced with universal Medicare that will take your tax dollars to pay for tranny surgery.

>>12186254
I am the walrus.

>>12193876
omg so BTFO, it is me, not the race-obsessed msm castigating shows for being too white.
>this audience at this Beethoven concert is too white
>that means it's evil
>>12193849
You can distill an essentially liberal viewpoint from its cinematic language but "liberal" in the context of US politics did not necessarily equate to "cultural marxist" in the mid 20th century. The previous Star Wars's message could be applicable for a pro-democratic Chinese student rebelling against Maoist China. Nor did the film industry or film going public of that period blatantly repress "fascist" movies like Dirty Harry. Film criticism emphasized aesthetics over politics.

>>12193905
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937

>>12193911
>You can distill an essentially liberal viewpoint from
First you said that star wars was apolitical and now you're admitting that there's a liberal message in early star wars. Which is it?

>>12193911
>Film criticism emphasized aesthetics over politics.
Fake news

>>12193923
Revolution can be advocated in the name classical liberalism, such as the constitutional government of the United States, which was built on a revolution. Insofar as that is not a controversial statement to the American public or challenge wider political beliefs, it is essentially apolitical.

It's comforting to know that nationalists on 4chan have gone through three election cycles and still act like it's 2014 and anyone outside a few thousand highly online sadsacks gives a shit about media representation politics

Do you losers seriously think that unemployed assembly line workers in Opiate Valley, Indiana care if Disney put a black guy in a Star Wars movie?

>>12193911
Again, the execution has changed. These Star Wars movies are ham-handed as all hell in a way Lando just being black was not - doesn't that just reflect the changing times rather than the spectre of whatever "cultural marxism" is supposed to be? These days everything is relentlessly politicised by everyone, left and right - as times have become more liberal so too have big-money movies from the US, which exist and have always existed primarily to make money, after all.

>>12193946
So essentially if the politics depicted don't deviate from something blandly acceptable to all parties then it's therefore without politics? And anyway, the politics of modern Star Wars are basically the same except some characters have pink hair or dark skin! The ragtag bunch of losers are still fighting the authoritarian superpower. This is only 'political' to you because it triggers you while the earlier example where no one has pink hair does not.

>>12193946
You're backpeddaling hard. If you're upholding a political viewpoint as good relative to another viewpoint or ideology then you're being political regardless of how accepted your viewpoint is.

>>12193298
Marx: Capitalists are such blood sucking leeches they'll even take advantage of the dead
You an intellectual: The fact you have to pay to see Marx's grave disproves the point Marx was making!

>>12193401
>I have grown into a mentally healthy young man.
If you honestly think it's healthy to spam non-stop tranny shit from your phone then you're dumb. Your parents failed but your not smart enough to realise it.

>>12193505
aaahhh yes you guys remember when Obama abolished borders? Or when Hilarry was going to do that?

In reality Obama set the record for most deportations and also used cages for kids. Hillary even agrees with right wing populists on immigration. Stop being so annyoing. you're on a literature board, read about other things than dem vs repub propaganda. The US is a one party state.

>>12194050
If you’re not against mentally disturbed self-harmers who have a much higher chance of being child molesters than normal people than you’re not mentally healthy.

>>12193354
Mentally healthy dont sperg about trannies for no reason or believe that because someone lived in a certain country during a certain time period they are not sane regardless of the fact they were most likely not allowed to leave said country during said period.
Kys loser.

>>12186293
Cthulu swims left friend

>>12194082
people can do what they want with their own body. its called freedom. if you disagree you are not a mentally healthy person.

>much higher chance of being child molesters than normal people
Citation? Not claiming its false, its just good practice to provide citations for such statements :^)

>>12194069
Although, of course, neither party is interested in truly halting the capitalist machine, the Democrats have clearly shifted permanently and forever towards cultural Marxism which is aimed at the social fabric of America. Is a "woke capital" cultural Marxist America still profitable? Yes. The Democrats don't care if Aztec hordes flood into the country, the new Star Wars will still sell tickets. Also, the Clintons are no longer viable so Hillary's getting cannibalized for that anti-migrant statement as we speak.

However, both Democrats and establishment Republicans are currently ripping their hair out over Trump's China tariffs. Fascism and "illiberal" democracy? The true cure to the ills of international capitalism?

stayyy tunnnedd :)

>>12194094
No one cares about them doing it. It's academia taking the act of cutting one's dick off and distorting it into being something healthy that's sickening. It's teachers being unable to say "if you do that you're a fucking psychotic retard and here's perfectly good reasons why" in schools. Then, of course, the added insult of asking for state funds to pay for their Frankenstein procedures.

>>12192709
Listen up you fuck, do not bully actual old people here you stupid fucking mong.

>>12193046
>muh secret online community, NO ADULTS ALLOWED

>>12194043
marxism is the biggest cuckold ideology in world's history

>>12193430
/a/ and r/socialism needs to leave

>>12194123
Well their opinions are wrong and they should feel stupid. But they dont feel stupid which makes them even more stupid.
Why get so upset about stupid people doing stupid shit?

>>12194103
>stayyy tunnnedd :)
Cringe

I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how young of a concept communism and even capitalism really are. In the long line of time and our lives how much does it matter? It appears that eventually both will collapse no matter if you think it’s because of social decay or technology. Maybe it’s environmental or war related.

I just want you guys to take a deep breath and realize it’s temporary. I also care about all of you and I want you to be happy. Yeah, I’m talking to you. If you’re a Tankie, Shitlord, Furrie, Faggot, Fascist. It’s not that important. You’re a human being and you have value, it might be Anonymous but maybe this message will find one person that could use it. Take care out there in the wild, anon.

>>12194196
>Take care out there in the wild, anon.
Thank you anon
I have Jesus to accompany me out in the wilderness though

>>12188772

>pre-Archipelago Solzehitsyn

I wonder why...

>>12194206
Go with god, treat people well. Even the ones that might not deserve it.

>>12186254

>>12194196
either ideology can potentially destroy the natural world

you're grossly underestimating the effects of industrialization

>>12194180
Academia enables them. I sat in a class where I, with 150 other students, had to listen to a professor use Shakespeare's The Tempest as a launch point to start a discussion on the views of Judith Butler, who says gender is a construct.

>>12194216
>Even the ones that might not deserve it.
Everyone can receive the grace of God if they have true faith in Him, given willingly.

>>12194249
Are you trying to say that industrialization will be the cause of the collapse? Or that it’s a huge economic force that necessitates one of those economic systems?

Either way the point is to relax and at least for just a moment allow yourself some peace before letting the world weigh you down. It’s something worth doing, and I’m asking you to be open to it simply because I care about your well being.

>>12194260
Is this something you read specifically somewhere? I’m happy you can feel that kind of love anon.

>>12194265

I'm just getting (you)s on 4chan stop breadpilling omg I haven't forsaken Christ.

>>12194291
Go to sleep, Jason

>>12190952
>Democrats are 100% on identity politics train
and so are all first world centre right parties. typical yank brainlet

>>12188772
>pre-Archipelago Solzhenitsyn

>>12193915
you do realise this bill was a compromise between F.D.R. packing the court and the four horseman court? it's literally irrelevant you dumb right wing cunt ahahahaha the state of yank education

>>12190952
And right wingers don't use identity politics?

>read Stalin
>this is a grave error
>this would be committing a grave error
>in doing this, he committed a grave error
Jesus christ.

>>12186254
Guide it yourself. Be like the majority of leftist thinkers and skim through Marx and Engels, don't bother learning how to actually analyze or critique anything, and then offer "critiques" and "analysis" on contemporary society that basically all boils down to
>society exists, but it benefits someone other than me, and that is oppression because i would like it to benefit me instead of other people

If you want to actually get engaged with leftist literature and learn something, go learn how to analyze things, realize that the vast majority of analysis on postmodernism is purely misinterpretation, and start from Marx.