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>that picture
>dead meme greentext
>Christian faggotry
This is gonna be a good thread.

>implying they don’t have a point
>implying pre-Christian religions didn’t inspire Christianity
>implying Pagan practices didn’t influence the modern day Church (Christmas)

>the extent of your faith is an online identity game expressed through sexualized anime characters drawn in ironic "badass" poses

Maybe take a look at your life

>>12142166
Everything you said implies that you should be included in that pic.

all you have to do is read the wikipedia entry on monism and you have literally proven God, it's that fucking easy.

>>12142180
No doubt influenced it, but its idiotic to say that a rolling mythos created my village elders is the same as a dude on earth matching ancient prophesies and literally claiming to be the son of God.

>>12142155
I imagine people who do not agree with me talk like
>HuRr de DuRdEeDur
On top of that, if I treat an argument I can't directly contend with I will:
PrEsuppoOse you WiLl briNg it uP and TreaT it as if it's invalid.
Haha! Therefore I am correct!

It's just all facts logic and rationality, bro!

>>12142194
Nah, I find Christian faggotry more entertaining than perturbing. Honestly I can't stand the recent influx of positivists and STEMfags that have infested this board, but the response from the religious on here has been callow.

>>12142207
That's because Monism is flexible and isn't post-ironc Jordan Memerson christ-fagging.

>>12142209
I presented their arguments accurately, I don't know what else you want from me.
>This site is hardly a place for SiLlY tYpInG
Ok mom

>>12142155
go back to 4chan

>>12142155
4channel.org is an atheist webforum for rational thinkers. Please take your fundamentalism to Trump supporters at 4chan.org

>>12142155
Christianity is monotheistic, popular, addresses our sinful nature, historic, based on a prophet who performed miracles, codified in one of the most beautiful texts of all time, built on and predicted by an existing religion (Judaism), and it offers us a clear path to salvation. What religion can compare?

>>12142305
Honestly, can we rather discuss how laconic and concise some of the passages from Genesis are? My favourity - the story of Cain and Abel is two pages at most and yet it contains so much. I'm getting to excited even thinking about it, I have to go to work please someone finish this post for me.

>>12142234
>>12142293
(You)
>>12142305
Based post, this is what I was looking for, thank you.

>>12142305
>monotheistic
Why does it matter? Can multiple Gods not exist?
>popular
Why does it matter? Can wrongful religion not get popular? Explain 2000000 schools of christianity then, each with their own unique snowflake interpretation of the Bible.
>addresses our sinful nature
Why does it matter? Can Gods not care about our sins?
>historic
So are multitudes of other faiths.
>based on a prophet who performed miracles
So are multitudes of other faiths
>codified in one of the most beautiful texts of all time
I think Interstellar is a beautiful movie, but I'm in no rush to base a religion on it.
>built on and predicted by an existing religion (Judaism)
???????????????????
>and it offers us a clear path to salvation.
So do the multitudes of other faiths.

>>12142320
>I think Interstellar is a beautiful movie, but I'm in no rush to base a religion on it.

Therein lies your problem. Interstellar sucks. You're a sinful man.

>>12142320
>young rational boy plays the endless question game
dead thread

>>12142305
>What religion can compare?
Sounds kind of like a rip off of Zoroastrianism to me.

>>12142325
>Stop asking things that are hard to deny!
Wait a second, I should do it like OP and present the opposing viewpoints in a fair, unbiased way
>HURRRRP St0p ASSkenG Q3sTionS DUrrrrRRR FuGGGGGG *shits all over the floor*

>>12142322
It's an alright film. Most big fans just had their babby's first exposure to Hans Zimmer through Interstellar. The score masks many of the film's problems.

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>>12142320
>Can multiple Gods not exist?
There can be multiple powers, but there must be that highest good, the creator of all.

If God truly wants some people to be saved, His religion must be popular.

>Can Gods not care about our sins?
The fact is, we are ignorant and miserable. Any religion that doesn’t acknowledge this is wrong.
>So are multitudes of other faiths
>So are multitudes of other faiths
>So are multitudes of other faiths
Name one faith besides Christianity that does ALL of these.
>??????????????????
Isaiah 53
>I think Interstellar is a beautiful movie, but I'm in no rush to base a religion on it.
Yes, because it misses all the other attributes that a good religion should have. What an embarrassing counter-point.

>>12142331
Zoroastrianism was formed after Judaism, and Judaism clearly paved the way for Christianity. So it was actually Zoroastrianism that ripped off Judaism, and therefore Christianity.

>>12142319
Read Pascal. The second half of Penseés is a defense of Christianity, even comparing it to other religions and philosophies.

>>12142358
>Name one faith besides Christianity that does ALL of these
Islam. I'm sorry you are a poor anglo who will never know the beauty of the Koran in its original language.

>>12142373
May you find Christ's love anon.

>>12142358
>If God truly wants some people to be saved, His religion must be popular.
So, God wants most people dead? Cause most people aren't christians. Hell, most christians aren't acting as christians. God must really want tons of people fucking dead, what a guy. And if God wants people to be saved, why won't be simply reveal himself? You know, like he does constantly in the Bible, but somehow only to select few people, and in hush-hush private situations, ensuring no eye-witnesses or ways to check his "miracles"
>The fact is, we are ignorant and miserable.
Many people aren't, and not. If you genuinely believe that people are born already sinful I suggest doing an MRI scan for possible brain tumors.
>Name one faith besides Christianity that does ALL of these.
You know where this leads. Whichever faith I name, you will already find pointless ways to debate it's legitimacy, or its scale, or question the sources, and perform a million other wonderful feats of mental gymnastics that christians prepped over the course of centuries to keep themselves sane.
>Yes, because it misses all the other attributes that a good religion should have.
Didn't know there's a laundry list of checkboxes to tick off in order to become a good religion.

>>12142341

>>12142373
Islam has a few flaws.
1) Its prophet never performed miracles. Anyone with political talent could have done what Muhammad did.
2) It promises sexual pleasures in the afterlife.
3) Muslims think Jesus is a prophet, yet they can’t believe the Bible is infallible, since Galatians 1:8 refutes Islam.
4) Muhammad and early Muslims looted and killed, whereas Jesus and early Christians caused themselves to be killed.

There is simply no beauty in Islam, except for its squiggly lines.

>>12142362
>Zoroastrianism was formed after Judaism
No it wasn't. In fact the evidence shows that Jew did not start becoming strictly monotheistic until after coming into contact with Persian culture during their captivity.

>>12142155
>For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist 1 Corinthians 8:5

>>12142395
>So, God wants most people dead?
Romans 9:23-24
>What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory

>If you genuinely believe that people are born already sinful I suggest doing an MRI scan for possible brain tumors.
Don’t babies have jealousy, and wrath, and burning desire, among other sins?
>You know where this leads
Just name one better religion. This is an important matter, life or death. A person hesitant to believe in Christianity due to other religions must think that those religions have an equal or greater chance of being true, or else he would seek belief in Christianity to maximize his chances.

I suggest you read the whole of Penseés.

>>12142402
Bait

>>12142155
You don't need a logical rebuttal or a quote from Hegel. I can tell you firsthand that Buddhism is the only true religion.

>>12142155
If you want to pwn them epic style, ask why atheism itself isn't just one truth claim among many

For something more interesting, have them explain why Christianity flourished despite having no military power, facing persecution from the Jews and Romans, and teaching unpractical morals such as freedom of slaves and alms for the poorr?

>>12142155
>hey guys please reassure my dogma when it is being questioned! These are arguments are invalid because they annoy me!

>>12142399
>1)
Isra and Mi'raj and the Splitting of the Moon
>2)
That is a hadith that promises 72 virgins and, unlike the Koran, one does not have to accept their legitimacy
>3)
I see no problem with this. Jesus is a prophet but that does mean the entirety of the New Testament is infallible. A prophet's words can easily be twisted.
>4)
Why do Christians ignore how there own religion was spread by both martyrs and the sword?
>There is simply no beauty in Islam
Tfw you will see the beauty in Islamic architecture such as the Great Mosque of Córdoba or the Aljafería Palace.

I have never heard a more pointless debate than religion vs atheism discussions.

>>12142461
>Why do Christians ignore how there own religion was spread by both martyrs and the sword?
The Bible doesn’t encourage fighting for religion, yet the Quran does. Again, Muhammad has others killed, while Jesus caused himself to be killed.

>>12142461
Hadith is from the Holy Prophet, heretic. You are surely a false flagging infidel.

>>12142469
suck my succulent toes trippy

>>12142461
>mfw modern Muslims have cognitive dissonanced "72 virgins" into "72 raisins"

>>12142433
Dumb christcuck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple_Judaism#Monotheism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism#Classical_antiquity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Yahweh_and_the_rise_of_monotheism

>>12142481
only if u promise to bathe them and smooth the calluses first.

>>12142491
The entire overarching story of the Old Testament is pretty much "Jews often worshipped other gods and got their shit kicked in for it"

>>12142491
>undecided 10th or 6th century BC, with 6th century being the most commonly cited date
This was meant to help your case? Judaic monotheism didn't begin with the Second Temple either, friend.

>>12142500
these thick hardened lumps are going straight to your inner mouth flesh proudboy.

>>12142505
Cope
Read the other two links.

>>12142491
>>12142505
>>12142515
Outta the way chumps.

You know western culture is fucked when people on 4chan of all places turn to religion unironically.

>>12142515
The greentext was in reference to your Zoroastrianism source. Here's actual pertinent information regarding Yahweh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Bronze_Age_origins
Surprise, there's a lack of agreement on the dates for both religions. But again, the Second Temple is irrelevant to all this.
And you believe that the other anon is a dumb christcuck? You're a willfully ignorant Zoroasterfag.

How does religion reconcile with pre-historic life?
>homo sapiens existed for at least 100k years
Did God just not give a fuck for 98 000 years? What about earlier humans? Were neanderthals not worthy of salvation?

>>12142155
The Traditionalist critique: all religions ARE true.

>>12142554
That was Eden.

When you look for historical renderings of trees by different cultures and nations in different time periods, you find them in all manner of medium and style, emphasizing different traits, and often appearing very distinct from one another. Despite this it’s also clear that these renderings are describing a similar central subject. This can’t be properly viewed as evidence that trees do not exist. If anything, it suggests that something very real and widespread out in the world is being described, called a tree.

>>12142564
Well, the dumbest post of today has been posted. Everyone, we can go now.

>>12142554
Neanderthals were animist and polytheist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_worship#Palaeolithic_cult

>>12142540
>But again, the Second Temple is irrelevant to all this.
How is it irrelevant? Also that part of the page only talks about the possible origins of Yaweh and has nothing to do when the worship of Yaweh became monotheistic. Scroll down the page where it explicitly states that pre-exilic Israel was polytheistic. And read the other page too.
>You're a willfully ignorant Zoroasterfag.
Nope. Look in the mirror dumb christcuck.

>>12142564
Dont listen to that other guy, I thought this was a nice analogy.

>>12142491
>>12142572
based wikipedia proponent

>>12142610
We're not the same guy, but I did used to call people Christcucks so I guess we might as well be.

>>12142305
>Ahhh, christianity is the one true religion.
>Oh, you want proof?
>If you open the Bible right... here. You see? The Bible says that the Bible is right.

>>12142155
Well, they can't all be right, but they can all be wrong, so there's that.