/lit/ - Literature

>>12140542
Deluze

>>12140542
Kant, Marx, Neech, Bataille, Deleuze, Gibson, Burroughs, Artaud

>>12140542
stop with these retarded threads, same as Hegel, same with everyone, start with the Greeks

>>12140542
amphetamines

>>12140542
Heidegger

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Start with Land, and read the philosophers he mentions.

>>12140581
LOL he literally writes his book in l337. cr1ng3. I can't believe anyone takes this pseud the least bit seriously. I hope this anon's mom doesn't ever find his annotated copy of fanged noumenon because she'll probably think he's gone full schizo and toss him in the looney bin. Little does she know he's just larping online with other neckbeards waiting for the cryptopocalypse or whatever

>>12140547
>Deluze

>>12140581
is the whole book like this? was gonna get it for christmas

>>12140767
I've not read it. But every photo of a passage I've seen has looked like this

>>12140785
damn lmao well fuck that then

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>>12140785
there's no way any of the Land posters on this board have read this book

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>>12140818
I've read it cover to cover, that's just one essay. It's actually really good, too, but it's about his most amphetamined. There are a few distinct writing styles used throughout the book. Most of it is closer to this.

>>12140767
Nah, the majority of the book is much more disciplined and digestible, particularly his earlier academic works. He's at his best when he tinkers with the boundary between creative and critical writing– his essay on Trakl's rats, for example, is a brilliant practical demonstration of how his poetics can infect and compromise the architectural integrity of academic writing like black mould, which also explains (to a certain extent) the drug-addled or syphilitic madness that pervades his later works. Even if you find them completely impenetrable, they're still valuable in making sense of the trajectory of his thought.

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Is this a joke? I based Nick Land a serious writer judging by what anons post of him here

Start with the Lascaux cave paintings and work your up from there

posting exerpts boys here we go

Him at his most academic, a duitiful Kant scholar who refrences all three critiques in a single paper.

his essay on Heidegger and Trakl should be essential /lit/ core, one of his most impressive academic works.

then he gets into Bataille and the anti-philosophy begins to creep in from the future

>>12140542
hes basically the new zizek, except he deals with what appears to be the cutting edge and his book title is dope and the cover is dope and schizo

hes a great meme aesthetic to look cool over the next couple years, i cant wait to see who the next meme schizo obscurantist philosopher is

by this point he is starting to go off the rails. Deleuzes Capitalism and Schizophrenia impacts like a deterritorializing comet

just over half way through the book, and shit gets into the real memes. he picks up Gibson like a sacred text and puts all his academic prowess to full amphetamine analysis

the retrocausal birth of theory-fiction

full deterritorialization

>>12140893
>basically the new zizek
>dope
>meme aesthetic
>obscurantist
So what you're saying is that you're a shitposter who hasn't read any Land or Zizek, or you're just a legitimately stupid poster who still hasn't read any Land or Zizek?

after he comes down he continues with theory-fiction proper

>>12140857
"Nah, the majority of the book is much more disciplined and digestible, particularly his earlier academic works. He's at his best when he tinkers with the boundary between creative and critical writing– his essay on Trakl's rats, for example, is a brilliant practical demonstration of how his poetics can infect and compromise the architectural integrity of academic writing like black mould, which also explains (to a certain extent) the drug-addled or syphilitic madness that pervades his later works. Even if you find them completely impenetrable, they're still valuable in making sense of the trajectory of his thought."
just read his previous works and toughts if you can't with fanged.

the end has some of his notes which are indeciferable to me

>>12140924
>So what you're saying is that you're a shitposter who hasn't read any Land or Zizek, or you're just a legitimately stupid poster who still hasn't read any Land or Zizek?
No, I'm aware Zizek's actual writings aren't obscurantist (however his talks undeniably are, and he says as much about his butt-buddy Lacan). And I'm aware they don't share similar beliefs, but no I haven't wasted my money on this fucking drug-induced autism and I'm sorry that you apparently have

Rather, Nick Land is the new Zizek in the sense that it's fashionable to talk about and walk around with his new autistic scribblings that ultimately are going to get superseded by some other irrelevant, conjecturous line of thinking. It's even worse in Land's case because at least Zizek generally doesn't pretend to understand modern technology

>>12140857
memes

>>12140937
If you think Zizek's talks are "undeniably" obscurantist but his writings aren't, then chances are you haven't had much experience with either. He constantly repurposes his ideas from his books into his talks and vice versa, something you would know had you actually read anything written by him.

As for Land,
>modern technology
yep, you clearly don't understand him either. Why post about two people you have no experience with, let alone an interest in them?

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okay this is epic

The first few chapters of Fanged Noumena (KCPI, Delighted to death and Art as Insurrection) are basically a radical reading of Kant (up to Nietzsche). You could probably jump straight in since he actually takes his time explaining concepts in a quite coherent, lucid way.

After that, you should be at least familiar with Anti Oedipus by D&G and The Accursed Share by Bataille to get the most out of it.

>>12140953
wtf i love land now

>>12141392
>read these good books so you can get something out of my favorite derivative dilletante

>>12141425
>dilletante
he was a tenured professor of philosophy, your pseude is showing.

>>12141459
Those who can’t write, teach. Besides a professor can most certainly be a dilettante which he most certainly is regarding topics like economics and technology. He isn’t working for the UN or Worldbank, he isn’t working for Google—he is Jordan Peterson level.

>>12141469
seething
talk shit when your wikipedia page cites you as the father of both a new genre and a new school of philosophy

>>12141469
>Those who can’t write, teach
and pseudo-proverbial statements like that don't always apply to reality. Plenty of great writers do both within their lifetime.

also:
>judging a writer by his proficiency as an ambassador or a tech geek

>>12141543
Lol. Mom my Wikipedia page says I’m important!

But seriously, if I want to learn about politics I will read someone like Kissinger. Even when he is lying, he is speaking about reality, and not his own pathetic COPE apocalyptic fantasies.

>>12141543
*creates wikipedia page for himself*
>founder of renegade fiction, father of cyber terror philosophy

done

>>12141550
Many great writers do that but not Nick Land. Also real economics masterminds work at orgs like WorldBank or other such institutions. They may even work for some kind of policy think tanks. They most certainly don’t rest on the laurels of “former tenured professor”;
Real technocrats run big businesses, they inform policy.
Nick Land is just a glossy repackaging of the typical slave revenge fantasy and a flash in the pan who is mostly relevant to other spun out failures. And what’s worse is he tenuously supports his own oppressors.

>>12141556
you haven't even read Kissinger? I literally read him in 100 level political science classes. jesus you people are plebs
>>12141559
seething

>>12141584
No i have read him, somewhat, do you not know how to read? I was making a comparison.

>>12141584
*seething dab*

>>12141584
>anyone who doesn’t dickride this meme I like is a pleb

>>12141586
No, you learned about him from those posts these last couple weeks about his thesis, no one sits around rereading Kissinger for his deep philosophical incite lmao

>>12141595
No I’ve always admired him since watching his interviews with Charlie Rose.
Btw
Vladislav Surkov is an accelerationist. Nick is a larper.

>>12141599
>the REAL accelerationist

>>12140934
He seems to be depicting the prime numbers here. I’m still trying to figure out how the dots and parentheses form numbers. It would be incredible if only certain combinations could produce prime numbers, but I’m not a mathematician, and I doubt this is fruitless anyway since it hasn’t lead to anything.

>>12141611
fruitful*

>>12141610
Honestly he is more of a typical neoliberal from what I’ve read but maybe I’m wrong.

>>12141611
the dots relate to the harmonics but I don't get the parentheses. pics upside down and I'm too lazy to turn it

>>12141571
your mistake is thinking the technocratic meritocracy is something to aspire to and worth emulating, that the standards that get someone a nice comfy job in the bureaucratic blob are meaningful. Tell me the last two decades have been anything but compounding failure

>>12141571
You're right to call him a dilettante, but he's certainly never had any pretensions about being a technocrat. There is no point judging the merit of his writing or his level of influence through a metric of political engagement because he operates through subterranean channels and connects with an entirely different
and dissipated group of people. He has no interest in changing or influencing society, he just wants to see its structural integrity undermined. Why would he want to influence policy or run a business when his entire philosophy is based on erasing precisely this dimension of humanistic intervention?

>And what’s worse is he tenuously supports his own oppressors.
>tenuously

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reported for copyright violation

>>12141709
Aiming to undermine the structure of society is certainly an interest in changing and influencing it. He doesn’t have a chance. Or he does as we all do through our own entropic activity.

>>12141683
A professorship is a comfy job in the bureaucratic blob, albeit a relatively low status one.

>claim to be anti-anthropocentric and anti-human
>capitalism gives me a sad :( we should accelerate it :(
>also, human madness as a phenomenology is good :^)

I honestly can't take Land, Thacker, or anyone else like them seriously.

>>12141730
>professorship
>low status
What planet are you living on? Everyone that isn't a moron or highly skeptical of intellectuals, worships academics.

>>12141753
Lol what fucking planet do you live on that anyone worships academics outside of the people who want to be one themselves? Hey everyone look at this post! I am laffin!

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I hate nu-4chan.

>>12141720
>aiming to undermine
>aiming
again with the misplaced intentionality. Why would he engage when, in his mind, humanity has already reached the impotency of its endgame? A self-driving car doesn't need a driver to crash itself

>Or he does as we all do through our own entropic activity
Precisely. The entropy of capital is plenty enough to do the job.

>>12140542
To add on to this, is Land actually worth reading? I enjoy all the William Gibson cyberpunk stuff, but I don't really want to spend my time reading poli-sci BS based on it.

>>12141774
Oh so like me he wishes he lived in neotokyo. Okay cool I “wish to see that” too, no intentions man, just don’t threaten the status quo hehe

>>12141760
Managerial liberalism takes its "good ideas" (tm) that it pumps out every month from """intellectuals""" pumping out paper after paper whose reasons amount to whataboutda gdp or whataboutda privilege. The entire non-Fox media, when they need some justification for whatever dystopian social engineering they need to push, parades academics around as a priestly class. The entire "FUCK YEAH SCIENCE!" culture is built around worship of scientists and science. There isn't a non-rightist on the planet that doesn't look up to academics and professors. It's rampant across the political spectrum of the left, liberals, and centrists. Having the slightest disagreeing with these people will get you called an anti-intellectual.

>>12141792
I have never ever witnessed this. You must have a very specifically curated twitter feed designed to stoke your outrage or something. Most people don’t care about academic. And really the left media gets it talking points from the big ones like the NYT whose contributors admittedly skim some of the relevant papers but all of it is well filtered through what the Koch’s or Soros or GE or Disney wants. I watched the nightly news tonight and one of its segments was to “let people know” online retailers were making cyber Monday “all week long”; it isn’t the fucking professors, it is advertising PR, and only a real nut job would overlook this obvious dimension of the media.

>>12141792
You're not wrong about the media worship of academics and intellectuals (although your exclusion of Fox is laughably redundant, given their lack of journalistic standards). That said, you're creating a strawman out of the "former" academic Nick Land, who would actually agree with you on the unfounded reverence of intellectuals, see his writings on The Cathedral if you don't believe me.

Nick Land is too fascist to be a libertarian and too libertarian to be a fascist

>>12141825
Oh yeah I can’t get through an hour of tv without someone shoving the latest critical theory or some intellectual idea down my throat. FUCK. Listen to yourself. If you watch tv you might see an academic on PBS or something but they very much care more about what a celebrity thinks than even the most famous academic.

>>12141844
To be fair I live in the UK, so my experience of news media is that it is very much reliant on academics, government officials, scientists or political activists to justify its claims. I can imagine American journalism is far less rigorous.

Besides, weren't you just arguing that the entire non-fox media relies on these academics to (in your paranoiac words) push their "dystopian social engineering"? why the sudden flip-flop?

>>12141885
No I was arguing against that guy by saying academics were hardly ever seen on the MSM and yeah I’m an American so I can see how your tv would be different from mine.

>>12141810
Seems I've struck a nerve with people you look up to. You're projecting your own insular view of the world in order to protect your priestly class (that you probably desperately want to be part of). Your entire worldview is built around some sort of weird economic determinism typical of someone who has only read far left economic thought where things like elite social networks, culture, ideology, ideas, human nature, etc. don't have an influence on things at all. You're probably one of those people who legitimately believes that things like the Iraq War or the Libyan disaster was solely about oil.

It's interesting to me that you only took the media angle, and not the policy and cultural angle. I mention something about Fox news, and you go berserk. But mention something about elite policy? Or NGOs? Or the general culture of educated urbanites (who are the ones that rule the planet)? Total silence on your part.

BTW, wonder where Soros got his idea for "Open Societies" from?

>>12141825

There's no strawman going on, because the conversation isn't about Land. It's about academics in general. Go back to memorizing your list of wik.ipedia fallacies.

PS, I've already read about NRx. I've been reading them longer than probably anyone here and came across Moldbug in 2007 on that old art blog where he had a guest post before UR was made (same place Roissy/Heartiste got big). Moldbug was the one who coined the cathedral. As to the academic angle, pretty much the entire second wave of Land-lovers (from about 2015 onwards) are all academic bugmen. Look at cavetw.itter for instance. Mostly leftist academics or grad students. The original NRx crew were highly suspect of Land (see eightchan's old /duck/ and /aristoi/ boards, or older comments on xenosystems).

>>12141844
Jesus Christ you are a gaslighting moron. The ideas filter down and spread out across closely-related populations, sub-populations, and high status individuals. That's how ideas work you fucking idiot. Are you seriously denying the rampant leftist thought across a variety of media at the moment?

>>12141905
>berserk
Hardly
>priest class that I want to be a part of
I actually have a whole thread where I’m arguing against this, but suck your thumb and stroke your straw man all you want. My point is advertising is far more important to media agenda than academia. That is obvious. They pay for it, and they profit from it. Soros is first and foremost a financier, and I imagine his lip service to the professors is nothing more than a way to add legitimacy to his thinly veiled policy of making more money than god and creating an insulated economic-political structure for billionaires while entrancing the masses with a manufactured sense of opposition.

Do I deny neoliberal thought is prevalent in media? Not at all, ideas like cultural conglomeration, consumerist morality and above all a worship of “job creating” billionaires and the state apparatus that support them is a constant in the media, but none of this comes from the professors, there are actual professionals who work in think tanks to direct the media, to direct PR and even government policy and none of these people are the type of people who teach classes and write books—those types more or less preach to the choir, they may in fact try to influence the political class, but it is not a “culture war” the ultimate paradigm being pushed is state/economy and that is all in service of the wealthy and their guard dogs. Interestingly Noam Chomsky exposes all of this wonderfully and he himself is a professor, although lately he has just become another neoliberal mouth piece, I don’t know how they got to him.

>>12141905
Also it’s funny how you accuse me of being mad when you’re the one who is clearly super angry. you’re a tourist from /pol/, admit it.

>>12141829
good post

>when she deterritorializes your machinic desire

>>12140542
Start with the cave men

>>12141928

It's like I'm replying to someone who got all their ideas from books published during the Bush admin. Are you going to quote Naomi Klein next? The issue here is one of fundamentality and telos. What grounds what, and what are the functions of power. You are saying that this phenomenon is grounded in money and advertising. You are treating the billionaries and media as if they are little economic variable widgets unto themselves (typical explanation from bland commies and liberals), and it doesn't go any deeper than that. When it is pretty clear looking at their subcultures that they have more going on than that. The media has other functions than making money, including shifting the thoughts of the populace and making sure they vote on things the elites believe in. Otherwise you wouldn't see the media panicking about the lack of advertising money they are making and the shutdown of a lot of legacy media. You also wouldn't find high status elements of the elite class (the fashion world, NY literary scene, most roundtable groups) openly espousing left and liberal ideas and funding them through the massive NGOs and foundations. The Rockefeller and Ford Foundations pretty much funded most of the social justice stuff in academia the 60s and 70s (and the American elites themselves were doing it, because they were highly liberal and left leaning). You can find memos on one of their sites (all open, not a conspiracy), of them pushing social justice in TV shows like Sesame Street in the 1980s. Again, the problem is your explanation completely rules out any sort of other fundamental factors or functions, and if you do include it, it's always "but that's late capitalism or neoliberalism." Always covering up for garbage ideas that you personally like.

>>12141939

You wouldn't be defending them if you weren't part of the prog-borg or looked up to them. You've been memetically pwned, son.

>>12141469
>He isn’t working for the UN or Worldbank, he isn’t working for Google—he is Jordan Peterson level.
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>>12140558
nice meme m8