/lit/ - Literature

>>12073435
just skip the greeks, they aren't important or anything.

Just skip the bible. It's really not important.

>>12073435
Just skip to the meme trilogy. Nothing else is important.

Just skip existence. It's is of no importance.

>>12073435
I’ve been doing something similar anon.
Here’s my reading list to date.

>>12073541
There are some early Chinese texts and the sanskrit Vedas that I would like to include, but I’m doing some research on the best editions/translations/supporting material.

>>12073525
This, except skip Joyce and Pinecone and go straight for David Floppy Walrus.

>>12073441
>>12073493
>>12073525
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>>12073564
I hope these aren’t you OP.

>>12073541
No Egyptian Book of the Dead?

>>12073659
I've considered it, but my understanding that it, the Pyramid texts and the Coffin texts are all compilations of various Egyptian spells that were inscribed on funeral goods. Certainly interesting, but I felt like I would get a better picture of ancient Egyptian culture by reading some of their surviving literature instead. I may backtrack to it eventually though, because it does grab my interest.

>>12073541
Why interrupt Greeks with Bible and not just read it all when you get to time of Christ?

>>12074119
Because the Old Testament owes a lot to other ancient literature that was floating around the Mediterranean in the early Bronze age, and it would be a shame to not include it when the rest is still fresh in my mind. Long way to go before reaching the NT. I actually started this list after trying to jump directly into the bible and missing out on a lot of context in the reading.

>unironically reading the bible
>not reading the Torah and the Quran instead.

>>12074180
Based and semitepilled.

Start with thr cave paintings

>>12074231
>this faggot wants to look at finger paintings

Start with etched potsherds recording stores of dry goods.

>>12074254
>he didn't analyze the twigs chimpanzees use to dig ants out of tree stumps
gl trying to understand Kant lmao

stupid question
what is the order between herodotus, thucydides, sophocles, aristophanes, aeschylus and euripides

>>12074848
The order is:
Aeschylus>Sophocles>Euripides>Herodotus>Thucydides>Aristophanes

>>12075388
all right, thanks

>>12073541
based autistic woman making lists for everything

>>12073541

Based

>>12076183
>>12076407
I don’t know what that means.

>>12073541
I'd skip the secondary greek mythology summaries and replace them with more primary works, at the very least you need the attic playwrights.

>>12074180
>>unironically reading the bible
>>not reading the Torah

>>12074848
guessing...
Aeschylus
Sophocles
Herodotus
Aristophanes
Euripides
Thucydides

>>12077107
Greek Myths is on there mainly because I’ve read everything else Robert Graves ever wrote. I’ve considered swapping it out for apollodorus. Honestly, I’ll probably end up reading both. The main Greek playrights and the lyrical poets will get added in soon.

>>12073435

I'd stay with the ancient greeks first. The Bible leads naturally into Christian Neoplatonism.

>>12074180
>>12077117
Isn't the Torah like the first five books in the Bible?

>>12077236
Agreed. It is better to know all the things the Bible borrowed from before you read it.

>>12077239
Yeah, the Torah is the Hebrew equivalent of the Christian Pentateuch. That was weak bait from a dum dum.

>>12073541
I feel you're missing a lot of great stuff from the Greeks, although I didn't get much more into pre-Greek texts so I probably missed out too. Nice list anyway.


As well as pic related I read the Analects of Confucius (Ames & Rosemont) and I'm currently reading Tao Te Ching (Ames & Hall tr.). Gonne read the Zhuangzi (Watson) after and then focus more on getting through the Greeks.

>not initiating with the Indians

>>12077349
Just went by my alumni library today to find a scholarly translation of the Rigveda, but the first volume was checked out.

>>12073435
If you're reading sequentially like that, why would you ever skip the Greeks.

>>12077041
Based.

>>12077348
Nice list to you as well. I’m definitely not dropping the Greeks where that page ends, but I wanted to jump into the OT before I got too far away from the ancient near east. I wanted to cover Hesiod first though, because of the parallels between Ecclesiastes and Works & Days.

>>12073551
Any recommendations on a scholarly English translation of the Chinese four books and five classics?

>>12073435
Just read the Presocratics. Easier read and timeless, still relevant today. Plato and Aristotle are borderline comedic nowadays honestly.

>>12073435
Greeks. I would also recommend Boyce's introduction to Zoroastrianism if you have an interest in religions.

>>12077348
don't miss out on xunzi if you liked confucius. burton's translation of his basic writings was imo peak confucianism for the warring states period.

>>12077456
O shit nigger someones trying to summon Ragnaros into our word. Torch those books.

>>12076183
HAHAHAH

>>12073541
>BCE

>>12079943
Yes, that is what it is called, thank you.

>>12080603
No, it's not.

>>12081501
would you look at that, christcucks being triggered again

>>12081527
Imagine being so petty about the dominant calendar system being used in the world that you have to change the letters used in it because it offends your sensibilities while not changing anything else about it.

>>12081536
Imagine being so petty about the irrelevance of your religion in the modern world that you have to complain about the inevitable change in vernacular because it offends your sensibilities while not effectively changing anything about its meaning.

>>12081582
This is not counting the fact that Christianity is on the rise worldwide with regards to how many followers it has? And no change is inevitable. The BCE may be pushed hard by some people, but it's unlikely to have any real hold on the average person.

>>12081636
>judging religion on population
Gnostics, Thelemites, Theosophists rule the world nigga

>>12081582
>>12080603
>it's another 'person who pretends to be interested in history advocates for worthless changes to historically accepted practices' episode
have fun reading your list bro

>>12081751
Syncretism is the future.

>>12081536
Wow, what an inconsequential thing to get bent out of shape about. Don’t be a pedant, bro.

>>12081751
>>12081751
Saying that the Pentateuch was written entirely by Moses was also a historically accepted practice. Do you advocate not updating the record when new information becomes available?

>>12073435
I
>"started with the Sumerians"
read the rest
then I,
>"Understood the Sumerians"

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>>12082107
Ah, baseless ridicule. The last refuge of the intellectually dishonest.

>>12081922
What new information has come to light that renders BC/AD outdated? If it's the fact that Jesus probably wasn't born during 1 AD, it's irrelevant. The Common Era system is based on the same event, but just alters the name to avoid offending people. It signifies the same thing. It's just a meme being pushed by people who don't want any sort of Christian influence on their calendars despite not suggesting a reasonable alternative besides "rebranding".

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>>12082515
So altering the name to reflect the fact that it in no way reflects the date Christ was born makes you think it needs to have the complete system thrown out wholesale? That’s ridiculous, you can small changes to a system to account for new information. You’re just clutching pearls, like the religious protestors outside of Santa’s village every December.

>>12074176
>>12077910
As someone who read the Bible recently, I think you will lose out more reading the NT without the OT fresh on your mind than you will reading the OT without Gilgamesh/Eridu or whatever fresh on your mind.

Also the Egyptian stuff is pretty irrelevant when it comes to the Bible.

>>12073541
Anyone interested in this kind of reading list should check out the podcast Literature and History at https://literatureandhistory.com

It follows a similar reading list, with in-depth episodes around a 90 minutes long, with longer works like the Iliad covering multiple episodes. The Old Testament episodes clock in around ten hours in total. There’s some great analysis, but skip the hokey songs at the end.

>>12081953

what's that a map of?

>>12083477
The mythological spread of displaced Trojans after the Trojan war, perhaps?

>>12083662
The dates are too early

>>12083688
Oh shit, didn’t even notice the dates. A biblical scholars’ idea of the diaspora following the fall of Jericho or Babel?

>>12083728
Babel is located in mid Mesopotamia.

Those dates are close to Chalcolithic so I'd argue it is a map representing the migration of Chalcolithic people in those dates.

>>12077349
This, OP at least read the Bhagavad-Gita, it's from probably around the 5th-4th century and fits right into the timeline.

>>12081636
>Christianity is on the rise worldwide
Yeah but not in the west. It's therefore irrelevant.

>>12083688
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>>12083776
Looks like Neolithic migration. Those dates are the first known settlements in those areas.

>>12083851
Almost all of the Catholic churches in my area have priests that places here from the third world and speak terrible English. There aren’t enough North American priests to fill all the positions anymore.

>>12073435
You fucked everything up OP, it was SKIP THE SUMERIANS, now that you can't unread them your writing career is kill

>>12082915
So what event in 1AD do you think is so significant that it marks everything after it as our "common era" while rendering everything before it as before this era?

>>12084933
Nothing. New evidence shows that we shouldn’t asceube the date as the birth of Christ, but that also doesn’t mean that you need to throw out the system and renumber all of history. Stop being obtuse.