/lit/ - Literature

its just self help

>>12071102

>>12071102
>is his book worth reading? Are his conferences worth attending?

Depends how much time you've got!
Not sure why you'd not go and see someone who is a fairly large public figure in person.

>>12071171
Alot of it is self help but that is only part of his message
The other half is some opposition to the "postmodernists, loony left, sjws and cultural marxists" that he apparently finds dominating academia. He speaks common sense but also doesn't understand postmodernism.
He doesn't really have any set beliefs, it's all opposition to ^ and self help.
The media freak out over him is interesting in itself because really he isn't preaching anything original or any set ideas, it's mostly pointing out flaws with the current world and trying to help people.


If I were going I would ask him what comes after POMO and how you can foster a new movement because POMO is pretty stagnant.
Usually he gives some half hearted. "I don't know" answer which is ridiculous.

He’s better than /lit/ will make him sound and worse than his fan base will make him sound
If you’re capable of nuanced reading and knowing what to take to heart and what not to based on your own values, he’s a good read

>>12071273
>Depends how much time you've got!
Right at this moment, i have plenty of free time, i just want to bother going into huge crowds to attend some conference that might not interest me, that's all.
I've heard that its preferable to simply read about Nietzsche at take my own conclusions.

>>12071102
12 rules of life VS the fourteen words, who wins?

>>12071102

Just try the first few chapters and see if they catch your eye. I thought it was a magnificent book, especially the first chapters really helped me, the latter have weird rules but when you read them you'll understand. It's not really a self help book, or at least I thought so. It's really about the psyche and biology behind things.

>>12071320
Go see him and make your mind up since you're such an individualist, instead of pretending to be, and coming on here asking for instructions.

Peterson teaches at my university and he is the laughing stock of the entire school
Why would you go see one of his conferences?

>>12072050
Sounds very believable.

>>12072050
>the laughing stock of the entire school
that may be the case, but the rest of the sane world is laughing at you retarded student imbeciles. literal fuckwads.

>>12072067
Who cares about what the peasants think.

>>12072076
>uni undergrads think they aristocrats
lelmao

>>12071102

It’s a run of the mill self help book which contains identical tips to any number of other self help books.

These include;
-‘Don’t compare yourself to others, only to how you use to be’
-‘enjoy the little things’
-‘treat others not as means but ends unto themselves’
-‘if you act confident real confidence will follow’
-‘surround yourself with the sort of people you want to be like’

And so on. All of this is of course good advise, though it’s been said in loads and loads of other books before this.

What’s different with Peterson is that under that basic framework he smuggles his conservative Christian political message, but glossed with the shine of evolutionary psychology and other quasi-scientific explations.

He’s nothing more than a businessman who realized there was a lot of money to be made by repackaging selfhelp with conservative culture war shit and selling it to disaffected young men.

>>12072275
>He’s nothing more than a businessman
i think you're wide off the mark. not that I'm a Pedersen fanboy either

>>12072298
Maybe that’s an overstatement but in essence I stand by it. I’ve had plenty of professors but none have been so dogged in trying to turn their status as professor or their research into profit.

Prior to the explosion of his popularity he was selling his ‘self authoring’ program or whatever, as well as selling personality tests to businesses for their hiring processes.

And then when he does become famous be immediately pens a book to cash in on that fame. He’s been touring basically non-stop since then, racking in those ticket sales.

Does he actually what to help the young men he appeals to? Sure, I don’t doubt he is happy to have helped people. But when it comes to what his biggest motivation is, I have no doubt that it’s the cash.

>>12072428
the guy strikes me as very sincere and slightly unhinged mentally. He's definitely squeezing this, but the Anglo's capitalist tendencies are to be expected, i dont think that means he doesn't believe his nonsense

Do:
Listen to his ideas about how to take control of your life and take responsibility for yourself and to learn how to structure your life

Dont:
listen to anything he says about what causes or attributes to the chaos a person faces in their lives and any sort of political or philosophical ideas or justifications Peterson has. His political and philosophical views are mostly lazy intellectually dishonest misrepresentations of ideas or outright strawmans that people only pay attention to because they act like dog whistles to alt-right neckbeards desperately looking for any sort of "intellectual" justification for their reactionary ideology

>>12072448
>reactionary
Back to /leftypol/

>>12072428
It would be difficult to contest the material facts you've presented, but I think this is one-sided and misinterpreting his history:
his other book was published what? 20 years ago? and has been free on his website for ages. as have all his lecture videos on youtube too.
how many people have actually read Maps of Meaning? probably not so many, so it makes sense to condense its essential message into something more manageable.
it's clear to anyone with a brain that taking unpopular positions perceived as right-wing is a suicidal thing to do in academia, so his standing up to the trannies and PC brigade was commendable and hardly a signifier of success in the future.
research papers are all available online free too. the self authoring suite requires development and so on, why would that be free? these things are not prohibitive either, let's not be ridiculous.
the man has put his career n jepardy for his belefs and is exploring alternative sources of funding, crowdsourcing and the like, and more power to him. it's not as if he's forcing people to support him on patreon or anything.
as to selling those tests to businesses, are ou going to complain that he charges patients for therapy as well? that's literally his job, for god's sake. do you live in an ivory tower or what?

>>12072067
I recognize these speech patterns, Jordan you're pathetic man

>>12072454
He is a reactionary. Criticisms of political correctness are valid and I tend to agree with them but it doesnt change the fact that he is a reactionary critic.

>>12072466
The term reactionary is a bit retarded if it covers both Peterson and Carlyle

>>12072466
he is no reactionary.
t. real reactionary

>>12072473
What views do you hold that make you a real reactionary?

>>12072477
the ones to the right of the fish knife, amigo.

>>12072469
Words are insufficient at explaining the infinite complexities of consciousness.

>>12072473
You're all centrists to the radical reactionary anarcho-primitivistts seeking to reverse the agrarian revolution and everything that follows.

>>12071102
Are you portuguese? Are you going because JMT told you you should go? I get the feeling he didn't read it and was trying to be poke his critics to the left.

>>12072448
>>12072466
>jp is reactionary
He is a basic old white guy with conservative-to-liberal views and dad vibes. He would be a moderate in US politics. He only got attention in the first place because he was positioned next to loud freaks.

>>12072458
I’ll say that me saying it’s all about the money for him isn’t the whole story. He’s also a massive narcissist and acts not just to make himself rich but for the sake of gaining adoration and attention.

Read the introduction and postscript of Maps, he thinks he’s a genius. He thinks he made some massive discovery, and he clearly feels like some kind of Schopenhauer, a guy who’s figured it all out but is totally neglected by both the public and the profession but hoped that one day people would realize the truth he’s uncovered.

This idea that any ‘right wing’ thing receives back lash is mythology in the conservative imagination. I’ve got a psych degree (from a Canadian university) and *all* my professors had believes about the biological basis of behaviour that the absolute constructionist would consider “right wing”. And yet nobody gave them any trouble for that. Because they stayed in their lane, did their research and taught their courses. However they didn’t make YouTube videos cultural Marxism or make up a bunch of shit about anti hate legislation.

And I don’t think he’s done anything *wrong* with his self authoring suite or his personality test, it’s completely within his right to make and sell those and I’m not criticizing those on any sort of moral grounds. I’m pointing them out because they show he’s an entrepreneurial indivudal. That’s interesting because I’ll tell you that it’s a trait that isn’t so common among professors. And that’s why I lean towards the book being more an attempt to capitalize on fame than anything else.

>>12071273
>POMO
>movement
Haha, you don't understand post-modernism either!

Any appearance regarding his book is absolutely not worth attending. He just regurgitates various summaries of the chapters and then answers a few pre-selected Q&As from online and dips. I don’t like the book personally. I think it’s poorly written and boring. His Maps of Meaning is much much much more interesting

>>12073871
You're right, he is capitalizing on his fame, but there's nothing wrong with that, or with the fact he thinks he's right about some things.
His book reminds me of Daniel Goleman's books, he, like JP, used psychology to pack a self help message in a way that the masses can read and understand, that's far from a cash grab, he brings science to the layman, that's something a lot more people should do and should be commended on this.
I also agree with you on your opinion on his "development programs", they're a massive cash grab.

>>12071102
Is he doing alright lads? I don't think he's holding up.

>>12072854
>Are you portuguese?
You guessed it
> Are you going because JMT told you you should go?
No, dont even know what you are talking about. Its mostly because for some reason a lot of people that i know are going to see his conference without even knowing who JP is and what he stands for. They get influenced very easily, but oh well.

>>12071332
You need the 12 rules before you get to the 14 words.

>>12072275
This guy has never read or watched Peterson but hates him anyways because Peterson reminds him that he's a cuckboi basedgoy.

>>12074380
accurate.

>>12071102
>is his book worth reading?
No.
>Are his conferences worth attending?
Only of it is free and you have nothing else better to do, just for the sake of meeting a memebrity.

>peak USA hours
>Peterson thread suddenly bumped to top
hmmm...

>>12074399
>0241 local time
>peak hours

>>12074411
All shitposter neets have their highest activity at night

>>12071102
>is his book worth reading? Are his conferences worth attending?

yep

>>12074425
>all USA posters are shitposting neets

>>12074428
Yes?

>>12074431
some of us could just be insomniacs.

delet this.

>>12073871
>that it’s a trait that isn’t so common among professors.
>those who can, do; those who can't teach.
it's almost as though some sort of natural selection were at work here, preserving these shysters from any real attempt at productive work.

>>12071102
Reread Plato instead of wasting time on this meme self help guy masquerading as a philosopher

He is a neoliberal shill. Definitely not right wing. A gatekeeper and a pseudointellectual, basically.

>>12072076
t. peasants' peasant

>>12074607
Americans hate education, wow.

>>12074617
>go to college
>come out less able than you went in
really makes me think (because unlike degree touting baristas, I still can)

>>12073871
>his idea that any ‘right wing’ thing receives back lash is mythology in the conservative imagination
>yet nobody gave them any trouble for that. Because they stayed in their lane, did their research and taught their courses. However they didn’t make YouTube videos cultural Marxism or make up a bunch of shit about anti hate legislation.

>it's a myth there is a backlash against people who speak out against leftists
>I'll use examples of people having to keep their head down and not talking out against leftists to bolster my point

Psychologists confirmed for retards who don't understand causality. I don't even read peterson, but people like you are delusional.

you already heard what he has had to say

>>12072466
>He is a reactionary.
You're not a 'reactionary' unless you're part of the One Holy Apostolic Church.

>>12074617
> globalist indoctrination is education
Maybe only in the 're-education camp' sense.

>>12073871
what did he make up about anti-hate legislation

>>12074673
is that the sedevacantists? Mgr Lefebvre and co.?

>>12071171
Self-help with shit that has been repeated by other self-helpers since they started being printed.

If you can look past the cringy self-help stuff there are some gems, but nothing you won't get from listening to his biblical lectures on YT

>>12074684
>is that the sedevacantists? Mgr Lefebvre and co.?
No, you brainlet retard.

>>12074731
>being this retarded

>>12073871
>had believes about the biological basis of behaviour
This feels very limiting of man's freedom DESU

>>12074376
He cries often. The guy is unstable, his neuroticism is clear as day in the way he conducts himself. I bet he has had one psychotic episode in the past.
Good role model to take advice from .

If you want to read self-help for bored housewives but still look cool in front of your idiot friends then Peterson's your man!

>>12071273
>"apparently"
Dyude Foucault and Marx are the top cited authors in the humanities. Way higher than Shakespeare for example. The post modermodern neomarxist view is massive in academia. Don't gaslight/ be npc

>>12075338
Who let you out of your cage?

A poor-man's Stoic, I think. His actual self-help advice is handy, but his unwieldy justification for most of it is stupid. As neat as Jung's ideas are, they should never be taken seriously as the basis for self-help. I find Peterson's long-winded explanations amusing more than enlightening, like for example "Each person is living out their own 'hero vs. dragon' myth, and it's the people who adventure into the dragon's den who are successful, because as we know from these common myths the gold represents ______ and the virgin represents _____ and so it's entirely justifiable to think that when a man imagines himself the dragon-slaying hero that he is pushing himself to the top of the dominance hierarchy, which we know exists because of lobster hierarchies..." etc. etc.

As soon as he started peddling his Self-Authoring and his book and Big-5 trait test, he exposed himself as the fraud he is. Shame too, he's very intelligent

The advice isn't terrible it's just fucking obvious and could be presented in twelve greentext bullets instead of a whole fucking book, but since Peterson is a hack he decided to milk his gullible followers

>>12075378
Unfortunately, they can't be presented in greentext bullets because he wanted to be obscure

>1. Stand up straight with your shoulders back
>11. Do not bother children when they are skateboarding
>12. Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street

Unless you read the book it's not obvious what the hell these mean, or why they are good rules for life. Unless he's just really passionate about good posture and petting animals

>>12075364
If he's so intelligent why's he such an idiot?

>>12075414
$$$

>>12075395
It's clear what he means. his naive behaviorist view of the human psyche makes him accessible even to the lowest of the low

>>12074376
Anon, I...

>>12075439
how is "Pet a cat when you can" equally good advice as "Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't"? Not that they're good advice, there's just a discrepancy