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12061736 No.12061736 [Reply] [Original]

>has produced the likes of
>jordan peterson
>margaret atwood
>rupi kaur
in terms of literature, is canada the biggest shithole of a country?

>> No.12061746

Don't forget BEAR

>> No.12061765

>>12061736
Can confirm, am leafcuck.
It’s mostly because American culture has influenced an already “progressive” nation and turned it into a wretched hive of feminism and entry-level political and philosophical knowledge.
It’s also because we don’t have German influence.

>> No.12061821

>>12061736
I mean in the western world? maybe but it is a country with 30 mil population and not a long history.

>> No.12061829

>>12061736
I hate Canada.

>> No.12061837

>>12061736
https://www.cbc.ca/books/100-novels-that-make-you-proud-to-be-canadian-1.4194710
>book 37
just nuke us please

>> No.12061844

>>12061736
Yes. We've never produced any good literature or good art of any kind. The Group of Seven are mostly shit.

>> No.12061857

>>12061837
lmao

>> No.12061866

Canada is the biggest shithole in far more than just literature

>> No.12061887

Counter point: Norm Macdonald

>> No.12061990

>>12061736
yes, yes, we suck

>> No.12062053

>>12061844
There are lots of great painters in Canadian history

>>12061736
do any of you seriously believe that there has never been a Canadian to write a good sentence? you're all entry level

>> No.12062059

>>12062053
Please list some

>> No.12062062

>>12062053
yes

please

>> No.12062064

>>12061887
literally the greatest comedian ever

>> No.12062068

>>12061844
Canadian animators are some of the finest on the planet.

>> No.12062084

>>12062068
perhaps the lowest form of artistry

>> No.12062089
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>>12061736
>McLuhan
>Grant
>Innis

http://pactac.net/books/Technology_and_the_Canadian_Mind.pdf

>> No.12062096

Canada has three good songwriters, three good film directors, and one or two good writers. That's it. What a joke of a country.

>> No.12062101

>>12062059
>>12062062
Emily Carr
David Milne
Lawren Harris
Arthur Lismer
Tom Thomson
Marc-Aurele Fortin
Norval Morrisseau
Daphne Odjig

>> No.12062120

>>12062096
>>12061990
>>12061866
>>12061844
>>12061765
>>12061821
>>12061837
the group of seven are mostly shit and that list is shit but youre all literally ignorant and making claims that you yourselves wouldn't believe if you read more obscure literature, of which you have probably read very little

>> No.12062128

>>12062120
post some you fag

>> No.12062138

>>12062120
>if you read more obscure literature, of which you have probably read very little
this is perhaps the most pseud like statement ever conceived

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>>12061736
Crystal Castles are pretty good though.

>> No.12062156

I like Robert Service because I spent some time in the Yukon (burger tho) but outside of that setting he's really nothing special. I like Neil Young though, and I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting.

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>>12062101
Remove the women from your list and what do you have?
>David Milne
A printmaker, HA
>Lawren Harris
Duuude, mountains are like, crazy...
>Arthur Lismer
>i just threw paint at the canvas hehe
>Tom Thomson
pic related... beautiful...
>Marc-Aurele Fortin
Literal cartoons
>Norval Morrisseau
aboriginal, dream catcher-tier trash

>> No.12062178

>>12062120
>muh obscure literature
Lmao, call me when you cucks produce a canon worthy author.

>> No.12062223

I took a course on Quebecois literature and culture and I gotta say, Gaston Miron blew me the fuck away.

>> No.12062234

>>12062156
Is he actually any good? I’ve been thinking about picking up some of his stuff, but he seems like the Jack London of poetry.

>> No.12062247

>>12061736
Pretty much. Source: I'm a Canadian.

That being said if amyone has interest in Canadian literature, Robertson Davies, Stephen Leacock, Robert W. Service and L.M. Montgomery are pretty good. Not earth-shattering, but good regional literature.

>> No.12062248

>>12061736
>>margaret atwood
>>rupi kaur

Alice Munro is better than either of those.

Not the greatest but she has stuff that's worth reading, even by severe aesthetic standards. Also one of the only woman writers I can put up with for more than 15 pages.

>> No.12062255

Kerouac is technically Canadian

>> No.12062275

>>12062223

Examples?

>> No.12062290

>>12062223
i completely forgot about our frogs. Kamouraska is a good book i suppose

>> No.12062292

>>12061736
Ondaatje is great and Leonard Cohen

>> No.12062304

>>12061844
Leonard Cohen is considered by many to be one of the best songwriters of all time.

>> No.12062341

>>12061844
Don't be THAT harsh on yourself. Alice Munro, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, David Cronenberg, and Denis Villeneuve are good.

>> No.12062355

>>12061736
USA has a similar problem though - you punch way below your weight considering history and population size. You look good next to us but compared to similar country in population and historical destiny like Russia your inferiority is glaringly apparent. Russia produced more great writers in second half of 19th century than the USA has in its entire history.

>> No.12062368

>>12062341
i like Pascal Laugier for his movie Martyrs. Very divisive movie but i think it transcends the horror genre and is actually beautiful

>> No.12062473

It is certainly impressive that a country could so easily achieve a literary output with negative value

>> No.12062483

Anne Carson is pretty good

>> No.12062608

>>12061736
Canada has produced a lot of talented writers and poets, and some great songwriters, comedians, etc. So you hate Atwood, Kaur is shit, (and Peterson isn't writing literature at all, so I'm not sure why he's being mentioned). But if you can't find anything worth reading from Timothy Findley, Robertson Davies, Mordecai Richler, Alice Munro, Michael Ontaatje, Jane Urquhart, Dionne Brand, George Elliott Clarke, Leonard Cohen, L.M. Montgomery, Farly Mowat, Alistair MacLeod, David Adams Richards, Margaret Laurence, etc., the problem is you.

>> No.12062633

>>12062139
>>12062139
>>12062139

>> No.12062641

>>12062084
That’d be videogames.

>> No.12062645

>>12061746
wtf I love Canada now

>> No.12062698
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>>12062641
No. Television.

>> No.12062700

>>12061844
Test

>> No.12063123

why hasnt the US annexed Canada yet? makes no sense imho

>> No.12063209

>>12063123
They tried, didn't work out.

If they did it now they'd just have Democrat party winning all the elections.

>> No.12063220

>>12061736
success breeds jealously

canada punches above its weight in almost all cultural mediums

>> No.12063252

>>12061736
>Jordan Peterson
>literature
Just place it in the right category (self-help) and I'd say he made the genre swing in a more decent direction than any other self-help phenomenom I could remember.

People will always find meaning through capricious narratives, and even if you consider natural science just another one of them, after ten years of non-stop butlerism everywhere self-narratives based in observable material life (so to say, narratives with a greater posibility to be socially shared) are for a saner difference

>> No.12063253

>>12061844
I'm sure you have an encyclopaedic knowledge of all works produced within our borders.

>> No.12063254

>>12062641
but you admit it is art

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>>12061844
Pic related as well as this:
https://www.waddingtons.ca/auction/canadian-fine-art-nov-19-2018/gallery/lot/41/

you should see these in person. stunning

>> No.12064400

>>12061765
Is Canada really as bad as our eurocuck right-wing media would have us believe?

>> No.12064425

>>12062698
The Sopranos has more artistic worth than almost any film form the last thirty years
almost any book as well

>> No.12064445

>>12062698
bloodborne is one of the most overrated things in all of entertainment histoy
that's not to say it's bad but you just know the type of person to call it a "masterpiece" or something like that.

>> No.12064704

>peterson
>literature

Piss off, Americans. You have the largest shithole.

>> No.12064786

>>12061736
>Northrop Frye
>Marshall McLuhan
>Hugh MacLenna

That's all I've got.

>> No.12064798

>>12064400
It's way too fucking liberal but besides that nothing really happens here

>> No.12064845

>>12064704
Okay, forget Memerson. Name 5 Canadian authors who are on the same level as the likes of Herman Melville, Ernest Hemingway, John Steinbeck, William Faulkner, Edgar Allan Poe, Mark Twain, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Thomas Pynchon, Cormac McCarthy, Henry James, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Flannery O'Connor, and Walt Whitman. Oh wait, you can't. Lmao.

>> No.12064848

>>12061837
>half of them are written by immigrants
Thank you based CBC

>> No.12064859

>>12064848
This whole country is one big immigrant

>> No.12064864

>>12064845
John Pleb-beck doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as those other writers. Other than that I agree with you.

>> No.12064877

>>12064845

>writers make a country not a shithole

Why are Americans so delusional?

>> No.12064880

>>12064859
A colonist is not the same thing as an immigrant. We didn't have to ask the Indians' permission to come live here lmao. We didn't fill out a visa application at the teepee consulate.

>> No.12064917

Christian Bök is one of the greatest living english language writers ddeessuu
"Voile" is fucking sublime.

The opinions in this thread represent the epitome of pleb-tier literary awareness.

>> No.12064926

>>12064880
That's not what I meant, our whole culture is immigration. Without immigration our population growth is about to stagnate, why do you think Trudeau is so big on multi-culturalism.

>> No.12064967

>>12064926
That's not a solution, though. Canada is going to die out whether we allow immigration or not. At the current rate of immigration, Canada as we know it is going to disappear. In it's place there will be an extension of the third world.

>> No.12064983

>>12064926
>why do you think Trudeau is so big on multi-culturalism
the reason you mention may be a part of it. but my understanding is that Trudeau is so big on immigration for the same reason that every recent lib and con gov't has been big on immigration - to get votes from all the immigrants.

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>>12061837
the suggested articles at the bottom really take the cake

>> No.12065171

>Everything swallows me. When my eyes are shut, it's my inside that swallows me, it's in my inside I stifle. When my eyes are open I'm swallowed because I see, it's in the inside of what I see that I suffocate.

Too bad this book is nigh impossible to find in English.

>> No.12065217

I am British and I hate when people suggest some sort of free movement area between us and Canada, Australia, and new Zealand (though I am ignoring the idea of going to Canada to get to the USA, which would make it worth it).

They are literally end of history, no history, basedboy havens.

>> No.12065417

>>12065217
>no history, basedboy havens
living in canada, i'll take that any day over the modern day paki rape gang haven that the uk has become

>> No.12065523

Nobody’s mentioned my guy Guy Gavriel Kay

>> No.12065665
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>We need the particulars from which we can approach the universal, otherwise we'll just be rehashing whatever dominates the European/American literary scene.

>Personally I think Canada should look to Argentina for building literary greatness. Gaucho Epics>Modernism>Borges is a pretty good rough formula.

>What my (far off and eventual) goal is, as far as literature is concerned, is to write a decent history of British Columbia. We have a couple decent books which amount to collections of dates and names, but nothing that really captures the constantly emerging spirit which is present in our nation. There's very little about the countless wars that were fought over land that's now covered in forest; the people who lived and loved and suffered and died amid a timeless and uncaring landscape; the native tribes that would take down whales on 100 foot canoes, then trade the fat as far as the Aztec Empire and Hawaii; the gold rush and all the miscreants it brought; John Jewitt who was enslaved by Indians; King Maquinna who enslaved him and several other white men, then learned both English and Spanish and negotiated a peace treaty between the two empires; the Chinese who built the railroads and spent their nights in opium dens and brothels. There's a lot of good material to work with, it's just underutilized.

>There's even an existent metaphysical language in artwork that could easily be transferred to magical literature: the frog for example, is a motif for the supernatural, because it can travel between land and ocean and inhabits two worlds at once. Raven brings order to the universe through his Dionysian adventures of self interest, crime, and eroticism. Etc. Etc.

>What made me appreciate the artistic output of my province a lot more is when I realized that literature, painting, those other "high" artistic endeavors are just trying to put someone else's shoe on our feet. Where we excel is wood carving and civil society, and this should be a point of pride. If you look at legal systems, ours is far more creative and organic (a literal collage of various nations, united under the concept of a crown) than most others, and in terms of woodcarvings BC is literally going through it's own renaissance right now.

We're a nation of boundless unrealized potential.

>> No.12065739

I've lived in the US my whole life but I'd rather live in Canada. I can't even go to the doctor here in the states.

>> No.12065875

>>12064400
canada is bad because there it is founded on the principle of "no conflict at any cost"

>> No.12065915

>>12062089
quality link anon

>> No.12066054

>>12065171
what book?

>> No.12066062

>>12065875
Sure it is. Haven't read our military history, eh? This would be an appropriate day to do so.

>> No.12066896

>>12062608
>Munro
>Ontaatje
>Cohen

>Rest of the list: Literally Who

>> No.12066902

>>12064877
Culture makes a country not a shithole.

>> No.12066914

The entire onions idea is foreign to me, a Canadian. Younger generations basically reject modernism in the rural areas. It's cold, dark, northern, with Christian tradition. There are no basedmen. Plenty of rough places and people. All international media commercialism of Canada TM presents nothing with a semblance of mine experience.

>> No.12066932

>>12064926
People who prioritize GDP growth over everything else should be shot

>> No.12066939

>>12065217
Being Canadian, I cringe at the thought of troglodyte inner-city Brits coming to travel and work here.... Look at what happened to Spain. The Aussies in the mountains are bad enough

>> No.12066945

>>12065665
Well no one wants to write a history of BC since it now ends in the complete sell out to China.

>> No.12066955

>>12065665
>We're a nation of boundless unrealized potential.
Yeah, you're in every Canada /lit/ thread, and you make the same optimistic claims every time, and every time literally no one agrees with you because you overstate the mundane and are interested in histories that are objectively small and uninteresting
Even if you were right, the ship has sailed a long time ago.

>> No.12066958

>>12064926
but why fucking Somalis.I get importing Pajeets if all you care about is muh tax base but the Somalis dont pay taxes

>> No.12066965

>>12061887
Norm is done, he apologised for down syndrome jokes and his new netflix show sucks compared to the podcast.

>> No.12067040

Strange when Canada gets painted with the huge brush. Culture is a mostly local phenomenon. There are stark differences in provincial cultures. Stark differences between cities and towns. Canada is as big as Europe.

>> No.12067127

>>12067040
Canada has the most decentralized Federal system in the world and is exceptionally spread out. That said, its cultures are only visible in rural settings, which keeps them subtle and difficult to distinguish for foreigners. Sure, St John's is pretty different from Victoria and Medicine Hat. But Vancouver and Toronto are no different from any other North American metropolis.
Also, let's get one thing out of the way- Canada is not big. 90% of it is uninhabitable. Vancouver Island and the Lower Mainland, Palliser's Triangle, southern Ontario and the St Lawrence Waterway are the only places conducive to agriculture. 99% of us live within an hour or two from the United States for a reason. There is nothing going on in our countryside, and frankly our small towns are full of hideous little bungalows with broken down cars on the side of the road with the same Smitty's next to the gas station.
Some rural ass-disaster is going to reply to this irrationally angry and claim rural Canada is some sort of cultural wonderland.

>> No.12067293

>>12067127
"All North American metropoles are the same."
Vancouver has unique distinctions even between districts. A university with an old-growth rainforest. Large asian/pacific population. North Van, the mountains. Toronto is a genuine hub of multiculturalism, more so than anywhere in the west.
Right now I live in the rural west, and it is boring. I was born in Fort McMurray and the culture(people) there is different. I cross the rocky mountains, suddenly all the rednecks become hippies. My mother is from Cape Breton. I go there and it's celts. Canada is so vast and immense that we are completely isolated from each other. The ideas that unite our people have to be peaceable.

>> No.12067399

>>12066932
This

>> No.12067444

>>12067127
my family have a cottage in Nova scotia along a coastline with like a few dozen other houses and cottages, a couple beaches, then forest that move inland up hills, bounded by oneside by a marsh and the other by cliffs, making a sort of triangular shaped headed off by a highway some kilometres inland

it is the most based location ever, all the little houses and cottages nestled in the forest, some near some further away from each other. There are little 'towns' too divided by woods with paths running through them

Im not sure ive explained this well but I fucking love it there.

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Mowat is very good

>> No.12067471

>>12061736
Very possibly, if you look at the /lit/ wiki here
>http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading/Literature_by_origin
The Canada section is godawful especially compared to most every single other country. The best they can come up with is Handmaiden's Tale and fucking Anne of Green Gables.

>> No.12067503

>>12067444
Such a nice place, love it there. Just those jellyfish...

>> No.12067540

>>12067293
Toronto is a fucking meme of a city. I didnt realize this growing up because i was like 'oh this is just normal'. It's not normal, nothing about it is normal

I dont even know how to explain it to other people, it's just a weird fucking city, the amount of neighborhoods, the complete lack of a cohesive culture, or any fucking culture, the endless sea of various races that surround it, the filthy downtown spotted by random shit like Chinatown and Kensington. The absoltue disaster that is the lakeshore-Gardiner complex

It wants to be like a New York or somethign but instead it is absolutely nothing except a multiracial chaos of random arabs driving around playing Drake in their shitty SUVs while the Beaches kids pretend they are living in a small American town and various shitholes like the Annex, Parkdale etc pretend to make 'art'

god it's fucking stupid and embarrasing, there are literally dozens of other retarded areas we could discuss, this is a small selection

we dont even have real ghettos, we put all our black people in shitty housing complexes like the americans but they refuse to comply with their role and become drugdealing murderers, instead they just invent the world's most retarded culture mix it wiht Scarborough trash and Jamaicans and wander around the downtown in large groups doing i hav eno idea what. I once witnessed two of them having a 'danceoff' in some supposedly trendy basement club type thing. I felt like i was watching a comedy sketch or something

all our other ethnicities are completely westernized and growing up nobody even understands what race is. There are half-Jews everywhere, i truly dont understand where they all even come from, shitloads of indians and chinese, slavs of various designations, eternally butthurt 'french canadians', and the Anglo himself, seen at last, huge and hateful, creating poorly designed contemporary architecture for his Chinese overlords

the only person i like in that city was a crazy Syrian refugee i met one night at a bustop, we exchanged words on the international Jewish conspiracy, the one and only based and redpilled incident of my time living in that dystopic shithole

also the finance district is nice at night

>> No.12067545

>>12064967
Sure, if you’re shortsighted enough not to understand the normalizing power of western culture on first and second generation immigrants. Fuck, you nationalists need to find a new boogeyman.

>> No.12067560

>>12067444
I have absolutely no idea what your point is. There are obviously quaint places in Canada, and we obviously have beautiful scenery. That doesn't conflict with anything else I said.

>> No.12067563

>>12067540
I've never been.

>> No.12067595

>>12067540
This, one hundred times this. Canadian cities are non-entities and the logical conclusion of deracination, psychotic capitalism and cultural decay. There is nothing worthwhile.

>> No.12067630

>>12062059
Me.

>> No.12068008

>>12064845
Ondaatje

>> No.12068039

Mordecai Richler was pretty good, even if he was super jewey

>> No.12068048

>>12061736
yep
it's because canadians are fucking stupid

>> No.12068055

it is America's hat, where the brain is
so that means everything in America is food being digested
and Mexico is the Butt?

>> No.12068070

>>12066902
American culture over the last few decades is primarily ghetto nig garbage and blacked videos. We can only hope it stays contained in that dump of a country.

>> No.12068076

>>12062698
>He thinks videogames have artistic merit
>He thinks Bloodborne is an example of art

I pity you

>> No.12068081

>>12067293
Fuck yah fort mac

>> No.12068088

>>12064845
Those are like grocery store romance pulp tier authors compared to the Russian greats. Why is America so pathetic?

>> No.12068090

>>12068088
Melville belongs with the very best, the rest are mediocre

>> No.12068091

>>12064926
>population growth is about to stagnate
Why do people say this is a bad thing? The world's already overpopulated. Why do western countries have to take in a bunch of third world retards in order to keep population growth up instead of just coping with a smaller amount of people?

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>>12067545
First and second generation White immigrants maybe. You don't get Western culture without White people producing it, retard.

>> No.12068123

>>12067127
>frankly our small towns are full of hideous little bungalows with broken down cars on the side of the road with the same Smitty's next to the gas station.

I prefer these places to Toronto. God I hate this fucking city and can't wait to escape.

>> No.12068146

>>12068088
>They're not the best of the best so that means they're shit
Most composers can't compare to Bach and Beethoven but that doesn't mean their music is bad.

>> No.12068163

no menaud maitre drqveur is top tier literature anyone who don't like it is still in secondary school or worse they are in cégep

>> No.12068168

>>12066914
Thanks for sharing this anon. I have travelled in this country and have to agree. This thread seems to be filled with self-loathing GTAers who haven't seen much of their own country.
It's November and I've been skiing the Rockies for the past 5 weeks. Enjoy your circlejerk faggots.

>> No.12068222

>>12068163

It's mediocre, just like all French-Canadian literature (including Prochain Épisode).

>> No.12068559

>>12062255
yep, but as with most canadians they eventually move to the bigger market down south. then you tell americans the artist is actually a leaf but they say that no they're not, they left. so we're only allowed to have the ones too crappy to go to the bigger market? like somehow actors from small towns aren't from there?

>> No.12068596

>>12062248
>also one of the only woman writers I can put up with for more than 15 pages

That says a whole lot more about you than Munro m8.

>> No.12068604

>>12062355
>Russia produced more great writers in second half of 19th century than the USA has in its entire history.

No it didn't.

>> No.12068674

>>12068168
Thanks anon, enjoy your skiing. I do not like how often Canadians on this website continually are against their country.

>> No.12068914

>>12068674
>>12068168
Woah, you went skiing on mountains. See, that's what I love about this country. You literally can't go skiing anywhere else in the world. It's so fucking cool that no other country on Earth has skiing. But that's what makes us so unique. We have wilderness and mountains. I don't know what I'd do without this place

>> No.12068951

have not read much canadian lit but glenn gould is canadian and he is a top-tire pianist

>> No.12069045

>>12068111
Hell, even with white people. Look at Catholics in the US. Totally segregated. Doesn't matter that Irish/Italians/Poles etc. have done well for themselves, they're still an outgroup. They still have ghettos all their own. They don't associate with the Protestant majority in much the same way that the Chinese in Vancouver don't associate with the white majority (or plurality now, I guess). And that's after 100+ years of trying to assimilate a very similar people.

>> No.12069054

>>12066945
Maybe we can prevent a complete sell out to China by writing a really good history of BC.
>t. hongcouver fag who has only had Chinese employers

>> No.12069085

>>12061736
Canada's trouble is that it has rarely thought of itself as an independent nation. Prior to WW2 it's identity was entirely rooted to the British Empire and the Anglo literary tradition. Pretty much since Lester B. Pearson was PM the country has basically become left-wing America. Canada has an identity crisis, and everyone is split on how to solve it. The way I see it, you have four camps: Loyalist right wingers, who want to be closer to Britain and the empire; americanizing right wingers, who want a republican party Canada; the multiculturalist who wants to abandon any idea of a core identity and reduce Canada to a collection of individuals; and the smallest camp, the wacky nihilist-environmentalist secessionist who want to blow the whole thing up and try again.

>> No.12069092

>>12068914
The point isn't the skiing, faggot. It's that this country exists outside of Toronto, and is sometimes actually pretty nice.

>> No.12069107

>>12069085
That's very similar to Australia to be honest

>> No.12069163

>>12069107
But Australia doesn't have a global superpower right next to it, dominating all it's culture, economy and draining it's best talent. If you ask your average Canadian what Canadian culture is, they'll mutter some vagueries about tim hortons and hockey.
That being said, this thread was originally about literature, and I can't name a single Australian writer.

>> No.12069172

>>12068914
its worth noting that whistler is consistantly rated one of the top mountains in the world, therefore one could take your stupid hyperbole and find a grain of truth in it

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>> No.12069181

>>12069163
We might not be geographically close to America, but in terms of politics, economics, culture, even language, American influence permeates everywhere. Hell, McDonald's has so embedded itself in the modern Australian identity that going for a "macca's run" (trip to McDonald's) is now a universally recognised phrase.

Ask an Australian what Australian culture is, and they'll mutter something about timtams and cricket. We're every bit the confused anglos as you are.

>> No.12069193

>Open leaf threas
>takes until the second post to mention America
Hahaha almost as obsessed as Britian. Almost.

>> No.12069212

>>12069181
I don't know much about Australia, but it seems to me that you guys have more "insularity" if that makes sense. Everything good about Canada gets sent to America. Denis Villeneuve may be Canadian, but he works in hollywood, producing American films for American audiences. Seems to me in Australia (though I might have this wrong) you import a lot of American things (and we do too, you'd need more than two hands to count the number of chains that have gone bankrupt in the US but stayed on in Canada), but all the good Australian things get to stay in Australia.

>> No.12069230

>>12069212
Perhaps, although I'd still say a fair share of our "best talent" so to speak ends up in Britain, the US, even Asia, etc.

Think about Mel Gibson, Russel Crowe, Cate Blanchett, and so on, who started out in Australia but then had to move on to the UK/the US to really strike it big. I mean, perhaps the geography thing does play into it to SOME degree, but really with cheap flights, telecommunications, and so on, its not that hard for us to get to other parts of the world these days. It's the difference between a 4 hour drive or a 12 hour flight to get somewhere important (relatively speaking), and with how much of our culture is tied in with British / American culture, there's a LOT of Aussies willing to do that.

>> No.12070194

>>12069092
Until you need to buy something with your shit tier wage and and shit tier purchasing power

>> No.12070326

>>12061736
I live on Canada. Can confirm.

>> No.12070481

>>12067540
>implying the ghettos in and around the GTA aren't filled to the brim with retarded somali gangs killing eachother every week over drugs

>> No.12070592

>>12069045
You're retarded m8. Catholics are only segregated insofar as they're more likely to live north of the mason-dixon line than south of it (spics not withstanding).

>> No.12070626

>>12067545
I'm not short sighted, I'm being realistic. At the current rate of immigration, there's no reason to expect that they will assimilate to our culture. There are just too many of them. If anything it will be the other way around. You liberals are too optimistic and naive.

I don't understand why immigration is the one government policy we must never question.

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>>12068088
>implying Moby Dick isn't a brilliant epic that stands alongside the Russian greats
Get out.

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>>12068088
REPENT LOST SOUL

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>>12070626
Because cities are meat-iq grinders that need TO BE FED MORE BODIES. Modernism actively selects against modern populations, we have already eaten all of our modern Canadians. We need to eat Indians and Chinese to increase our GDP for reasons. Important reasons, more important than you or I. All that matters is technocapital runaway GDP growth. Now get back to your high fructose corn syrup instagram orgy porgy feelies and stop asking questions like some sort of non-bugman

>> No.12071474

>>12061736
Don’t shit on Atwood. She’s more intelligent than her retarded fan base would imply.

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>>12061736
>jordan peterson
>rupi kaur
No one's gonna care about them 50 years from now, especially not Kaur
>margaret atwood
Known for one book

Anne of Green Gables, now THAT was a book

>> No.12071828

>>12061736
Yes, yes it is

>> No.12072055

>>12067540
LMAO reminds me of why I left that hell hole.

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>>12063209
Or the Queen would just be staying over for an extended stay in her new palace.

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>>12063220
no.

>> No.12072216

>>12068091
now get a politician to say something that doesn't affirm everyones right to life...it can't be done without antagonism. which is the bases of auterity measures during chaos, but yet there is no obvious connection for anyone beyong a life time. the short sightedness of people leads to the necessity of the right. it is that along with other facts that make the left no longer in existance as an organising force to function as a state.

>> No.12072227

>>12069045
100 years is a lot to a fool, not a people

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>>12069085
>and the smallest camp, the wacky nihilist-environmentalist secessionist who want to blow the whole thing up and try again.

First it was aboriginals and then first nations, now this. I'm not saying that much every time I see a tribe. Sorry, not doing it.

>> No.12072631

Canada hasn't had enough significant formative events in order to have a strong national identity or culture, which is conducive to producing writers who have anything insightful to say at all.

The prevailing attitude in Canada is just going with the flow and being inoffensive. The most literary aspect of this country is the nature and scenery, but it's wasted because it's full of boring fucks who only give a damn about tim hortons and hockey games.

>> No.12072715

>>12071045
lmao an anon who actually knows how immigration works
explaining it to /pol/ is a waste of breath

>> No.12072720

>>12072715
cities being meatiq grinders is a very pol take on things. that comes from Spandrell im pretty sure

>> No.12072997

>>12072720
It's from Land

>> No.12073008

>>12072997
No >>12072720 is right, Land borrowed it from Spandrell - "IQ shredder"