/lit/ - Literature

>>12061555
Yikes!

>>12061561
No Yikes-posting allowed in my thread. Consider yourself banned!

wise n00b tier:
Introductions to Nietzsche by Pippin
The Nietzsche Reader by Ansell
Nietzsche and the Shortest Shadow by Zupancinc
On Nietzsche by Bataille
Nietzsche and Philosophy by Deleuze
Mask of Enlightenment by Rosen
Thus Spoke Zarathustra (folio edition)
The Collected Works of Nietzsche
The Collected Works of Nietzsche in German

>>12061555
The Bible

the game by neil strauss :)

you fucking retard

>>12061555
>grow out of my moral sentimentality get into the beast of prey mind set
I'm pretty sure that's just schizophrenia

>>12061646
Cringe and bluepilled

Bump

>>12061653
The entire concept of Übermensch is cringy and obsolete

>>12061555
The Immoralist ;)

>>12061555
48 Laws of Power.
The Prince.
Ender's Game.
The Iliad.
The Histories by Herodotus.

>>12061555
gotta find God first bro

>>12062415
Stfu incel. It's great concept.
>>12063377
Thanks. I've read the Histories, never thought about it that way thoigh. Some of the monarchs were pretty fucking redpilled now that i consider it. Maybe I should give it another read.

>>12064223
>incel
>redpilled
lmao

>>12061555
Tropic of Capricorn

>>12063377
>Ender's Game
Explain yourself.

>>12064623
Nice, but he seems to basic to understand Miller

>>12061555
read YA, harry potter and stuff like that and will make you to kill people without feeling gulty at all

>>12064661
it's a nerdy power fantasy

>>12063377

>Enders Game
>Ubermensch
>literally advocates for the rights of Space niggers

wew

>>12064597
>>12064670
Retard monkey nigger opinions discarded

>>12064987
You seem butthurt by something

If Nietzsche saw the fat autists talking about finding redpills in his books today he'd fucking off himself

Read Crime and Punishment OP
>>12068179
wish you would fucking off yourself you useless piece of shit

>>12061555
Thus Spoke Zarathustra is the ultimate manual on the Overman, you should read it and learn it like the back of your hand before proceeding to any other literature.

>>12061555
there are none, it hasn't arrived yet and was a prophecy not a description of extant types.

>>12064842
Can you explain how that isn't Ubermensch?

>>12066787
Not op but thank you anon

>>12062415
>t.last man

>>12068405
I agree, I think secondary literature can be helpful but some things have to be experienced and interpreted by yourself.
Nietzsche was a big believer in being your own master and not listening to what some intellectual might have in store for you. He also didn't believe in anyone truly being able to understand another. We can never live life through someone else and therefore never fully understand them.

>>12061555
It's funny that people think "der Übermensch" is something that we can achieve when it's pretty clear that the only thing we might achieve is to become great men(highly unlikely for anyone on 4chan)

Any biography of pic related. I'm reading "Napoleon the Great" right now and it's absolutely fantastic, if you don't mind the pro-Napoleon bias (if you couldn't guess from the title already.)

Probably also the Four Gospels, and a Goethe biography. Jesus, Goethe, and Napoleon (and Wagner to some extent) are probably the four individuals Nietzsche had in mind that came closest to his concept of the Übermensch.

>>12070655
Forgot pic. Biographies in general are very much underappreciated on /lit/, especially the older ones that were meant to explicitly teach you a moral lesson, as opposed to the modern "big list of facts" type of biography.

>>12070660
Got any great biography tips?

>>12061555

>>12061646
This is true. I can witness it firsthand as my best friend turned schizophrenic in high school. Worst thing that could happen to you.

>>12070660
Any good old biographies you can recommend?

>>12061555
Blood Meridian

>>12070821
Did he tell you about the Illuminati?

>>12061555
Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard
Ego and It's Own by Max Stirner
Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky
anything from Marquiz de Sade
No by Boyd Rice
The Roman Emperors: A Biographical Guide to the Rulers of Imperial Rome,

thank me later

>>12071369
I forgot Eumeswi by Ernst Junger

let us know when you will spill your first blood

>>12071376
also aoptionally
Inazo Nitobe - Bushido the soul of japan

>>12061555

>>12071369
But Crime and Punishment is like an argument against Nietzsche.
>See guys this is what happens if you excercise your will to power :^) you go insane and suffer. Well looks like Christian morality was right again lads
Absolutely un-nietzschean

>>12071458

Nietzsche's philosophy doesn't stand perpendicular to christian morals, he only advocated that people create their own moral framework and value structure (selfishness is one of the 'bad' moral frameworks). Dostoevsky showed that murder, although expedient, isn't helpfull in the long run, lest we forget he was an orthodox christian and an existentialist.

>>12071507
Yes I know all of that. But what exactly has that novel got to do with Nietszche and the Ubermensch ideal? And how the fuck did Dosto show that murder is unhelpful? By making up a fictional story about a guy too weak to even get away with killing?

>>12071548
Oh shit now I understand: maybe that guy recommended C&P to understand how it might feel to kill someone when you have grown up with Christian morals and then they all backfire and retaliate against you after you've broken their rule. Now I get it.

>>12071458
not at all, Raskolnikov does not repent his deeds, and it's cleary stated by him that he would do it once more if he could get away consequences. Not to mention Nietzsche read and admire Dostoyevsky.

>>12068502
The idea of the overman precludes helping the weak, they're a platform for a new elite caste not a project for benevolence to manifest itself on Earth.
>>12069997
Nietzsche didn't have any beliefs, that's the point of perspectivism.
>>12070002
Its funny how you use common diction and still even worse style while aping a niggerish understanding of Nietzsche and stating obvious things.
>>12070655
Napoleon, Cesare Borgia, Alexander, the Roman emperors, Darius etc. all good places to start. But, not overmen, just higher men. >>12071193
the Illuminati is unironically real.
>>12071507
>perpendicular
it just precludes morality altogether and he polemicizes against: guilt, shame, mercy as anything other than an overabundance of security in a race's capacity to withstand parasitism, sympathy and pity along with any form of idealism or overt concern with introspection which implies a misconception regarding process and substance (the Self as a process, an evanescence of the Will to Power, and not a static soul or substance which has a moral status). Nothing in this is compatible with Christian soteriology, ethics or ontology.

>>12071587
Yes and he ends up having a bad time. Someone who really didn't regret his deed would not suffer like Raskolnikov

>>12071608
Raskolknikov's thinking is clear exemplification of 'will to power' in action minus the utilitarianism part. The sole error of Raskolnikov thinking was that at the end he couldn't lift the burden of guilt. And once more he said he didn't regret the deed !!! I suggest you to read it once more as well WIll to Power itself.

/thread

What are some books about Monism? Something that would help me grow out of my dualistic separationality and get into the one with everything mindset.

>>12071692
>feels guilt
>didn't regret the deed

>>12071819
bruh I'm stoned I may sound self-contradictory but trust me I know what I'm talking about

>>12061555
HH Ewers' Alraune series. Frank Braun is literally der Ubermann.

>>12071888
I'm sure it all sounds terribly profound in your fried brain.

Rational moral sentimentality is overman. Moral rationalism is the cuck morality.

>>12061555 (checked)
The Ubermensch is a ten thousand year long project, it is not for a single life time, 'we are a rope strung between ape and angel.'

>>12061555
shitposting aside, can we talk about how entertaining this fucker is to read?

>>12068416
Actually it had already arrived and been discarded just after the beginning of the 19th c in the shape of Napoleon and the Marshalls of France- Lannes, Massena, Murat, Ney, de Kellermann....
No one will be as uebermenschlische as these men were from now until the end of time. Just hang it up, anon.

>>12061555
Technological prosthetic devices have obviated the potential- not only for manhood but even for adulthood, both of which are fast becoming relics, at least in the West. Racial and sexual equalities reveal this as a fact and there's no going back, fortunately or unfortunately.

>>12071548
He got away with murder, he just coudn´t deal with having killed someone.

>>12074269
It hurts

>>12071605
You're shit and your opinions suck.

>>12074696
Yeah. Ouch.

>>12071605
You're based and your opinions are redpilled.

>>12062415

>>12061555
Mike Cernovich - Gorilla Mindset

>>12061593
Yikes!!

>>12061555
Read Crime and Punishment for a story about an edgelord who actually takes Nietzsche seriously, then realizes how deeply wrong he was.

The overman isn't just some badass egoist in the current moral framework. God may be dead, but the new world isn't here yet. The moral guidance Nietzsche gives (Amor fati, eternal return) isn't the morality of the overman, it's the morality that enables some of us to stray away from the herd, and to endure it, so that we may eventually open a way to the new, fully naturalized world. If you have in mind that reading Nietzche will stop that feeling of anxiety and existential dread, you're absolutely wrong. Nietzsche doesn't want you to be comfortable.

Read Goethe's Faust. I'd recommend the Act of Killing (the documentary) as a non-fictional base retelling of Faust

>>12061646
schizophrenia is based and redpilled

>>12061555
Hug a horse

>>12078895
>>12080078
I still find it incredible how Dostoevsky BTFO Nietzsche years before the conception of the overman idea. Of was it Dostoevsky who influenced Nietzsche? Who knows. The story of the Turin horse is acutely poetic, if it really happened.

>>12080111
>come up with a fictional story
>Haha btfo epic style
Pretty cool how you can btfo any ideology by making shit up

>>12071706
based panzram poster

>>12080078
Yes, but do be careful!

>>12061555
my diar

>>12070902
not the same guy, but plutarch is one of the classic biographers of that type. He usually compared two people to show lessons.