/lit/ - Literature

>is there a flowchart?
Fucking Shove Your Fucking Flowchart In Your Ass
>by Anon

If you want to read hyper-authoritarian ultra-decentralized right-wing literally-worse-than-Hitler-put-Bezos-to-lead-Washcorp-core:

The "turn unproductive people into fucking biodiesel" man:
https://moldbuggery.blogspot.com/
> Gentle Intro, Open Letter are good starting points.
> Lots of great writing even in individual articles.

Land
> Lots of interesting links in his blog sidebar!
- http://www.xenosystems.net/neoreaction/
- https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/

Easy dive into Austrians starts with Hoppe:
> This book FUCKS
- https://mises.org/library/democracy-god-failed

Deeper into praxeology, Austrians & economy:
> Relevant to all of the above authors.
https://mises.org/library/human-action-0
https://mises.org/library/austrian-perspective-history-economic-thought

/lit/ says:

>Praxeology is very easy to interpret as applied information theory or cybernetics.

Space Taoism
>by Aminom

1/3
>The philosophy of the 23rd century is a naturalistic Space Taoism based on change, evolution, and creativity, a view of the universe more profound that any religion has imagined - and as such it is a true post-atheism, transcending atheism-as-negation by offering an affirmative view of life that solves the problem of omnipresent nihilism and alienation of the present, offering a physicalist reenchantment with the cosmos and a relationship with the world that can only be described as experiencing it as pure poetry in the fullness of its wonder-horror, to be ever content and comfy yet ever striving. Its symbol will inevitably be that of the calculus integral due to its similarity to the yin-yang, its synthesis of Eastern and Western thought, of the analytical with the analogical. Neo-China and Neo-Europe arrive from the future to save the present from the undead past, the autonomous movement of the unliving accelerating itself towards omnicide.

>The metaphysical nature of change is mirrored in all specifics of it, including that of calculus, the mathematical study of change, which is where we find formalization of our metaphysical principle. The fundamental theorem of calculus describes integration and derivation as inverse operations of the same process, with the physical intuition of integration being "cumulative change" and "instantaneous change." These correspond to yang and yin of Chinese philosophy respectively, with the Chinese insight into this relationship coming from a careful observation of change, and an extrapolation of its mechanics from observation - not wholly accurate, but the core relationship is precise. Examining the nature of our conscious perception of change shows why this is the case, and gives evidence that the foundations of calculus is truly a metaphysical principle capable of accounting for human experience.

>We perceive change in the reference frames of presentism and temporalism, where in the former a singular omni-present moment is the fixed point of reference, and the latter the line of time comprised of a continuum of infinitesimal moments that are gone as soon as they arrive. In the presentist perspective, cultivated by mindfulness practices, what is experienced is instantaneous change in an ever-present, and in the temporalist perspective cumulative change through time. The presentist mode is spacial, analogical (simultaneous relationships) and relational, the temporalist mode sequential, narrative and logical (causal relationships.)

2/3

>Though Alfred North Whitehead didn't realize it, his philosophy follows from calculus as a metaphysical principle precisely, describing being and becoming, permanence and change as co-equals, that "becoming is for the purpose of being, and being for the purpose of novel becoming." Rather than quoting at length, here is a link to the first 19 pages of "The Metaphysics of Experience: A Companion to Whitehead's Process and Reality" that gives a basic introduction to his philosophy, which I think the reader will conclude is a reflection of the metaphysical implications of calculus: https://imgur.com/a/ZtLDYJT He is the essential guide towards the philosophy of the 23rd century, but missing is the process of the self, consciousness as a creative process.

>Evolutionary theories of culture such as memetics fails to include subjective human experience, which does violence to it: we're all just "meme machines" subject to memetic forces, the mechanistic universe transformed into techno-organic infection. Douglas Hofstadter's view of consciousness takes a different direction, describing us as "self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages that are little miracles of self-reference," and is heavy into process thought at some points (especially his concept of shared interiority, that we host and are hosted by others) yet is still focused on the being-self, a self-representation representing itself, the self as an object, the "I." What creates this self-representation is the becoming-self, a self-querying query, a question questioning itself. Questions aren't a passive lack of answers but are quests, searches, movements, and vectors of desire. The spotlight of our awareness is a request for information having directionality, and self-awareness comes from the interplay between the being-self and becoming-self, the process of self-creativity.

>The Darwinian process of variation -> selection -> reproduction is mirrored by the conscious process of question -> choice -> action, our lines of inquiry create potentials that we select from to actualize. Substance metaphysics has made us blind to the essential generative component of consciousness, focusing on the ordering process of selection, resulting in the idea of free will: we are free (or not) to select from objects from a list according to our will - our desires. Our freedom lies in free inquiry, our capacity to question, as by questioning our will we can create alternative desires. We can also question our questions, and our actions, and so human consciousness is a three-fold strange loop of the evolutionary process folded upon itself. Conscious experience is literally evolution evolved, the creative process that has folded upon itself to create self-creators. Self-creation isn't an absolute but an art, a cultivated skill, and it is not a self-creation creating with itself ex nihilo, but a co-creation with the multiplicity of existence.

3/3

>Whitehead's organic philosophy replaces the centrality with relationships - mutually co-creative perspectives among all things. "Every creature both houses and pervades the universe," the interiority of an occurrence comprised of its relationships to everything else. Matter is made of energy which is a relationship between occurrences, but as these occurrences are made up of energy, which is made up of relationships, the universe is a strange loop of relationships of relationships of relationships. The implication is a synthesis of the dead nouns of creator and creating with an immanent creativity, the death of art as the process of reality itself is a creative process, a tapestry of co-creation among all strands that it contains - not as a whole relating the many to itself, but as the many becoming one in a novel subject, and increased by one. The thesis of Space Taoism is "we are life-artists who co-create with the self-creating tapestry of existence," rather than human creators creating meaning out of a meaningless existence, meaning and signification is omnipresent, co-created by a subject's personal relationship with existence - the artistic act of life.

>While the integral symbol is the inevitable symbol of Space Taoism, its true holy symbol is the question mark - a symbol of awareness, infinite potential, inexhaustible meaning and endless becoming. The Tao is literally defined as "path" or "way," a motion through space and time, and the guide along this endless quest isn't an answer but an omnipresent question mark. What does one do? How does one act? What does one become? Let your questions guide you, and follow them faithfully, and they will take you to where you need to go.

>moar Aminom

>>/lit/thread/12017168#p12025671
>>/lit/thread/S12027035#p12028062
https://vimeo.com/specalblend

Cosmotechnics & Acceleration

>§00. 'Acceleration' as it is used here describes the time-structure of capital accumulation. It thus references the 'roundaboutness' founding Bohm-Bawerk's model of capitalization, in which saving and technicity are integrated within a single social process-diversion of resources from immediate consumption into the enhancement of productive apparatus. Consequently, as basic co-components of capital, technology and economics have only a limited, formal distinctiveness under historical conditions of ignited capital escalation. The indissolubly twin-dynamic is techonomic (cross-excited commercial industrialism). Acceleration is techonomic time.

>§09. Teleoplexy, or (self-reinforcing) cybernetic intensification, describes the wave-length of machines, escaping in the direction of extreme ultra-violet, among the cosmic rays. It correlates with complexity, connectivity, machinic compression, extropy, free energy dissipation, efficiency, intelligence, and operational capability, defining a gradient of absolute but obscure improvement that orients socioeconomic selection by market mechanisms, as expressed through measures of productivity, competitiveness, and capital asset value.

>§10. Accelerationism has a real object only insofar as there is a teleoplexic thing, which is to say: insofar as capitalization is a natural-historical reality.

-- Nick Land/Teleoplexy: Notes on Acceleration

>I will give a preliminary definition of cosmotechnics here: it means the unification between the cosmic order and the moral order through technical activities (although the term cosmic order is itself tautological since the Greek word kosmos means order). The concept of cosmotechnics immediately provides us with a conceptual tool with which to overcome the conventional opposition between technics and nature, and to understand the task of philosophy as that of seeking and affirming the organic unity of the two.

>Cosmotechnics proposes that we reapproach the question of modernity by reinventing the self and technology at the same time, giving priority to the moral and the ethical.

>Once we accept the concept of cosmotechnics, instead of maintaining the opposition between the magic/mythical and science and a progression between the two, we will be able to see that the former, characterized as the ‘speculative organisation and exploitation of the sensible world in sensible terms’, is not necessarily a regression in relation to the latter.

-- Yuk Hui/Cosmotechnics: The Question Concerning Technology in China

>moar Teleoplexy
https://track5.mixtape.moe/zphjim.pdf

for YH, check the mega in the OP.

Thinking After Meltdown

>How then is the West going to save itself, to sublate the contradiction of the unhappy consciousness? Reaction, like fascism, doesn’t tell the truth, but only allows people to express themselves. Trump’s victory is more or less a victory of reactionary and right-wing thinking, which do not provide a worthier analysis of the situation but rather appeal to the emotions, as Ernst Bloch once said about the situation in Germany. Commentators have tried to suggest, based on the relation between Thiel and Girard, that Trump and tech entrepreneurs are comparable to scapegoats; like the pharmakos in ancient Greece or the King described by Sir James Frazer in The Golden Bough, their sacrifice puts an end to social and political crisis. However, the figure of the scapegoat is analogous to the “red pill”: it is only a rhetorical tactic that justifies its reactionary tendency as a covert truth. The sacrifice of the scapegoat is a redefinition of friend and enemy, which is rather clear in Trump’s position on China-US-Russia relations. To maintain an uneven globalization and avoid the expense of war, real scapegoats are going to be sacrificed, since they are the vessels for hiding the truth in favor of populist movements. In other words, how can the West maintain unilateral globalization to preserve its privilege and supremacy? This question is not asked by Land, who simply mobilizes the neoreactionaries as a means of advancing his own bionic agenda. However, no matter how unwilling one is, we cannot deny the fact that today’s world can no longer maintain the old order; the military modernization of the past century makes this impossible.

>Let us conclude by going back to the Enlightenment and its world process. Philosophy is fundamental to revolutions, affirmed Condorcet, since it changes at a single stroke the basic principles of politics, society, morality, education, religion, international relations, and legislation. Such a notion of philosophy has to be turned towards the question of thinking for a new world history. Maybe we should grant to thinking a task opposite the one given to it by Enlightenment philosophy: to fragment the world according to difference instead of universalizing through the same; to induce the same through difference, instead of deducing difference from the same. A new world-historical thinking has to emerge in the face of the meltdown of the world.

—Yuk Hui

>moar YH:
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/81/125815/on-the-unhappy-consciousness-of-neoreactionaries/

Civilization is a Neural Network
>by Parallax Optics

>Civilisation is a neural network.

>An atomised distributed consciousness, pulsating with an algorithmic sifting of + / - aggregate, individuated cost / benefit analysis.

>Centralisation is a bottleneck which destroys information, constraining the reflexive information flow which constitutes the cybernetic process.

>Anti-Oedipus provides a theory of capital accumulation via a circuitry of ever tightening, positive techonomic feedback loops, which constitute the accelerative process.

>Moldbug provides a theory of deceleration via the parasitic, productive energy vampire of the Cathedral, and the Leftist cooption of resources away from productive agents and processes, syphoning them into unproductive ones.

>R/acc recognises the need to keep decelerative forces away from the Process: the techonomic spiral of mutual excitation, since it is only through the non-critical retardation of this process, that escape velocity of intelligence optimisation can be reached.

>The political prescription to ensure the continuation of the Process is de-homogenisation aka fragmentation.

>A meta-neocameralist market place of armed organisation aka optimisation principals, resists political entropy + parasitic invasion, since it constitutes a self-reinforcing / policing / competing ecosystem, within which positive incentive alignment is rewarded, negative punished.

>A patchwork is a laboratory, testing X against Y and A against C. Reality has a curve / gradient bending towards the Right, because cooperation is a subset of competition, enveloped by it.

>Absent competition and cooperation becomes nonsensical. Absent cooperation and atomised competition remains, reforming cooperation as an adaptive competitive strategy.

>Competition > cooperation.

>The decentralisation of competition is essential to the validity / productive capacity of the mechanism, since total centralisation / Unity, relieved of selection pressure, is inherently entropic + anti-accelerative.

>The civilisation neural network requires R/acc fragmentation to maintain experimental capacity + accelerative dynamism, along the gradient of the selective pressures / organising principal of the fanged Real.

>moar Parallax
https://twitter.com/parallaxoptics/status/1057554478088572928

Anon: Box Life
>Being a Critical Satire of Certain Aspects of Terminal-Acceleration End-Games

>I want to become an iPerson. I want to attain the ontological closure hidden underneath lifestyle branding. I want my personal brand to become autonomous. I want god to breathe into the nostrils of my facebook profile. I will become an ePerson, a smart-person. I will transfuse my blood directly into the fresh lipid and non-decaying corpse of my digital self and make it dance. My spirit will be transubstantiated into neurochemicals, of which I will be given direct and regulated dosages. I will perform artistic expression through proprietary mixes of these neurochemicals. I will share these recipes with the entires in a database labeled "friends". My thoughts shall become pure immanence. I will dwell alongside the numinous.

>moar Box Life:
https://pastebin.com/Qt4ehVKD

The Great Learning
>by China

The Three Guidelines

>The Dao of Great Learning lies in making bright virtue brilliant; in making the people new; in coming to rest at the limit of the good. Only after wisdom comes to rest does one possess certainty; only after one possesses certainty can one become tranquil; only after one becomes tranquil can one become secure; only after one becomes secure can one contemplate alternatives; only after one can contemplate alternatives can one comprehend. Affairs have their roots and branches, situations have their ends and beginnings. To know what comes first and what comes after is to be near the Dao.

The Eight Stages

>In ancient times, those who wished to make bright virtue brilliant in the world first ordered their states; those who wished to order their states first aligned their households; those who wished to align their households first refined their persons; those who wished to refine their persons first balanced their minds; those who wished to balance their minds first perfected the genuineness of their intentions; those who wished to perfect the genuineness of their intentions first extended their understanding; extending one’s understanding lies in aligning affairs.

>Only after affairs have been aligned may one’s understanding be fully extended. Only after one’s understanding is fully extended may one’s intentions be perfectly genuine. Only after one’s intentions are perfectly genuine may one’s mind be balanced. Only after one’s mind is balanced may one’s person be refined. Only after one’s person is refined may one’s household be aligned. Only after one’s household is aligned may one’s state be ordered. Only after one’s state is ordered may the world be set at peace.

>From the Son of Heaven to the common person, for all alike, refining the person is the root. That roots should be disordered yet branches ordered is not possible. That what should be thickened is thin yet what is thin becomes thick has never yet been so. This is the meaning of “knowing the root.”

>moar Grip:

>Analects
http://www.indiana.edu/~p374/Analects_of_Confucius_(Eno-2015).pdf

>The Great Learning and Doctrine of the Mean
http://www.indiana.edu/~p374/Daxue-Zhongyong.pdf

>Mencius
http://www.indiana.edu/~p374/Mengzi.pdf

>Daodejing
http://www.indiana.edu/~p374/Daodejing.pdf

>Shobogenzo
https://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/Shobogenzo.pdf

>Stoicism
http://collegeofstoicphilosophers.org/stacks

Fuck Yeah Toshiro Mifune
>by girardfag

>in progress. later.

did we go through #12 in just a day by shitposting about top soil?

>>12032912
I repeat, the top soil is not sentient

>>12032912
technically it was twenty-six hours, but basically yeah. Cosmotech #12 was truly Lightning Edition. System-Complete in 24 hours is the story i'm going with.

and it was fucking awesome

Aminom, if you read this there's an anon in the other thread who's interested in Space Taoism. any chance you could put together a list of books/links/et al for Space Taoism?

i know Hofstadter/IaaSL will be on there, along with Whitehead and much else. but an extended Space Taoism/Strange Loop reading list and whatever else you think is relevant might be a resource too. maybe stack in Intro/Intermediate/Advanced tiers or whatever you please.

cribbed from YH's twitter. this may in fact be the first confirmed Cosmotechnics meme. worth a re-post.

and no, i don't know what the answer would be. probably yes. not sure tho.

also, inspirobot is absolutely crushing it.

>>12032801
Techno optimists really need you to believe, for the sake of gains anon. your moral authority is negated and your abstractions are worse than speculators notepad files.
however you legitimate your views, real power will choose and implement what is to be known and what is worth discovering.
the opposition to any acceleration is a natural force that revels in the sacred violence of existence.
your lives as philosophers are to me the same as the abstract painters in that I might turn my eye to a strange scene or even look over an ineresting historical fact or two, but who cares about these channels, these agents of self-deception who crave so much what I give that I may choose amongst them, make them my own, and then forget them.
just as history will forget the sides
as in the mad pressure a crack appears or a piston turns, and I move on
---
I believe it was "adjacent possible" along with a bunch of biology we're likely to want to make sense of next. I mean, while time remains.

>>12033795
>your abstractions are worse than speculators notepad files
how dare you. i spraycan all of my posts on the sides of bridges before i even think of transferring them to notepad

>however you legitimate your views, real power will choose and implement what is to be known and what is worth discovering.
i wonder if real power knows what it's doing tho. if it's intelligence explosion, ok. if it's intelligence explosion twisted through a lot of meatbag unconscious haunted by crazy dreams and mortgages, maybe kind of. i'm not sure what the relation of reality to power is. my guess is that it's a lot more complicated than we know now. the real power you're referring to has nothing to do with anthro-politics of 2018, that's for sure. if you're referring to Land, sure. that's true, in a sense.

>the opposition to any acceleration is a natural force that revels in the sacred violence of existence.
violence is not the sacred, and the sacred is not violence.

>your lives as philosophers are to me the same as the abstract painters in that I might turn my eye to a strange scene or even look over an interesting historical fact or two, but who cares about these channels, these agents of self-deception who crave so much what I give that I may choose amongst them, make them my own, and then forget them
>just as history will forget the sides
>as in the mad pressure a crack appears or a piston turns, and I move on
that's quite poetic, really. i'm fine with this. was unironically worth it to read this

>I believe it was "adjacent possible" along with a bunch of biology we're likely to want to make sense of next. I mean, while time remains.
what did he mean by this tho

good book list, also. very nice. don't really know where else i could put this image, so i'll put it here.

>>12032925
That's wrong, sport. Topsoil is sentient.

>>12033885
me:

I4
N1 obv, N5 for about 24 hours
G4 no and i keep checking to see if it's still the case, it is, G5 probably would have been better but too late now
O1 mos def, O2 occasionally but it isn't, O3 & please don't tell anyone, O4 shit, O5

goddamnit i got a Dark Contrarian bingo. fuck

ok guys what is the approved Cosmotech/acceleration form of suicide. is a John Cena/U Can't See Me followed by a Motoko Kusanagi building dive? asking for a friend

Trash the machines, deceleration now!

>>12033948
inarguably true

inspirobot has been killing it all day /acc-wise

>>12033960
meanwhile in timeline #32428243: If Nick Land Were Green

also there appears to be some pretty wild stuff going on in Slime World. i don't know what this means, but it's pretty darn interesting. i'm guessing that's Trakl Heidegger is talking about.

gender theory is not my bag, but if it were it would be of the Nyx variety. i feel less trigged now than i might have been before by stuff i see on the news and elsewhere since reading that article. it doesn't change my whole worldview or trajectory or anything, but it does make me realize that gender stuff really is a lot more interesting than i perhaps had thought earlier. it undeniably has a role to play, even if i gravitate towards B-movie (and occasionally A-movie) representations of men and why they aren't so bad. i am glad for having read it tho, and much more sympathetic towards people i think i would have been indifferent to before. that's the magic of theory for you, to crush those little icebergs that grow on your heart, i think.
>or melt them, as the case may be
>it's a global heart-warming
>aww
>ffs kys girardfag
>hello inner self
>hello

i think it comes down to humor, in the end. there is a secret correlation between comedy and despair that just cannot be sacrificed. there is something indestructibly hilarious about men being placed in impossible situations, and overcoming adversity by hook or by crook, and in ways that transcend a great many political divides, whether it's Chaplin, Sanjuro or Snake Plissken. it is true that for the sake of this redemptive laughter they must also *suffer,* and they have no absolute claim to the meaning of suffering. everybody suffers, and it is for that reason that everybody deserves compassion, not only because suffering is the royal road to wisdom but because compassion is arguably that wisdom itself.

it's a funny, sad, and painful world like that. and it will become funnier, sadder, and more painful too, perhaps. whatever my ultimate contribution to make to these threads will be, it will likely be a meditation on comedy and wasteland praxis. and because i don't know how long these threads are going to last, and because i don't want the magic in them to end before i finish that train of thought, i will probably have to get around to posting it sooner or later, which goes against my inveterate and virtually heroic laziness.

alas, being lazy only seems to get more difficult the further into 2018 we go. human obsolescence will be for realsies, and it will lead to a lot of frustrated, disaffected, and ultimately ready-for-Politics people.

>>12033960
Deceleration general when?!?

/lit/ needs IDs so I can filter OP.

>>12034117
this has been asked before, other than Linkola or ISaiF i don't know what would go in there. i'll happily put a link in the OP if there are some good essays or files or other things you guys want anons to read about. one of the purposes of this general is that, dwelling as we are at the Chrono Trigger End of Time, there are a lot of different portals you can through, there to begin a Magical /Acc Journey of your own, and get royally fucked up. or shill for the /acc of your choice, i suppose, if you wish.

>another would be a comprehensive retracing of the intellectual journey from Hegel to Land, which is another thing i will never get around to before Neo-China arrives from the future &c
>and if anyone *does* want to make a flowchart, it's still a worthy thing to make
>just sayin'

so...the Whole Earth Catalogue, maybe? what else falls into the Deceleration category?
https://monoskop.org/images/0/09/Brand_Stewart_Whole_Earth_Catalog_Fall_1968.pdf

>>12034169
my namefag handle is girardfag, but i'm not using it these days because reasons. can you not filter the threads?

>Cruffatin: A word of unknown origin ingeniously used in the hip-hop song "Witness" (artist: Roots Manuva) - referring to a man-made hidden meaning, probably a South London word-mix of prophet and crocheting. Meaning: to make up a vision of the future and tell people about it without revealing everything at once by only feeding them encrypted information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TkmpeYOUYI

>>12032801
you looks like having very high functional schizophrenia

>>12034433
you just made this thread way cooler than it has any right to be

>>12034447
the cruffiton liveth

>>12034531
*cruffatin

cosmic balance restored

>>12033960
EMP the machines, Butlerian Jihad now!

>>12034447
in case you're wondering, the mildly Zen edition name comes from a Land quote, somewhere. DJ Krush is awesome and in general anime ninja/samurai qts, fuck yes. i guess if you had absolutely no idea what any of this was about, and this is the first time you had heard of /acc at all, it might well strike you as only so much schizophrenia written by the kind of person you would expect to find wearing a sandwich board around downtown and shouting at traffic. that will be me in about five years' time, but it comes out of a long story told by a bunch of other dead European guys. hopefully it will all make sense in time. the Alex Jones clip is for fun
>mostly

it was kind of a toss-up for what image to use in the OP of this one, i really liked the DJ Krush track and i wanted something thematic to go with it. i thought this one was pretty good too. so no actual schizophrenia, altho it probably could look like that at first glance. just good old-fashioned continental theory-fuckery.

>i do my same way, ain't nothing else I know
>gone up in the life with this here rag-and-bone flow

the cruffatin do liveth, tho. that part is for realsies.

If humans have the unconscious desire, Faustian spirit, death drive, or whatever to create an immanent AI God that "hates" humanity, does that also mean humans unconsciously hate humanity?

>>12034740
this is one of the best questions i've ever seen raised in these threads.

i'd say the answer is heavily yes, although it has something to do with our brain processes under the hood. Nietzsche called it ressentiment, Sartre bad faith, Heidegger angst (or inauthenticity) and JBP Bitterness And That's No Joke. they're all right, and the list goes on for much longer.

i'd say it's a) the fear of death and b) the anxiety about the ladies. my own feel is that mostly people hate themselves more than each other. from ignorance, and confusion, which drives the sad passions, and fuels envy, guilt, bitterness, and the rest. once upon a time maybe there was a little more conviction in God; that became transferred over into a kind of conviction in Revolution; and now God is a question mark and the Revolution has entered a phase of terminal scapegoating and hysteria. speaking for the West, i mean, inasmuch as i can. perhaps we fear our encroaching obsolescence in the face of tech, but i think it's in general just a breakdown in those orders and systems that held us in place and allowed for some existential comfort and psychic regulation. all that has been very much deregulated in about a half-century and it doesn't look like it's heading towards re-regulation in the future either.

we hate ourselves, for our pitiable condition, and moreso when we can't use meme irony or weaponized cynicism to patch up the leaks in the dam. ideological bullshit will be attractive because on some level jihad is a cure for depression. but it only works while there is the momentum of the zealous holy roller, for whatever cause.

people are lonely, and they're scared, and they're angry, and much else. we are dwarfed by the things we can make and this makes panic levels rise. maybe they do hate humanity. but mostly i think they just hate themselves.

So I know there are two people who like these threads that post in mostly lowercase, one being girardfag, but who is the other one? Why doesn't he have an endearing nickname? Seems unfair.

>>12034799
I think you might be talking about Yuganon?

>>12034799
apart from myself, there are only three other anons who i actually know post in these threads often enough to be recognizable, and it's because they use the namebar: Aminom, mystikos, and the anon who posts Marty Glass scans. there is also whoever was writing Box Life, and who i think is a different person.

and other than Nyx (and Justin Murphy, &c &c) i also don't know if anyone here is visiting from acceleration-world and who is on Twitter. i've talked to this guy before also but it was a while ago.

https://twitter.com/moctezuma_iii?lang=en

>>12034815
he's told me he dislikes being called that, and prefers to not have a name. i'm also assuming he's not the anon who got mad at me for cheerleading those scans, although i suppose it's possible it was him. don't think so, tho.

haven't heard from him in a while, either. i miss those quotes. they help take the edge off of Land stuff when it gets too depressing.

>>12033875
>violence is not the sacred, and the sacred is not violence.
speaking of names and such, i guess i should clarify one thing related to my own, as it touches on this line. it would probably be more accurate to say that in fact violence *is* the sacred, and that is precisely why RG would say the sacred as such is to be rejected. simply because a thing is *sacred* does not mean that it is *holy,* or - to make things even more confusing - it is holy, but not the kind of holiness RG would like, i think. he would probably give me a withering shrug for all of this Land-memeing, which i would deserve, for being so arrogant as to be trying for East-West Unified Feels Theory, rather than just sticking with the Gospels. i truly am my own worst enemy in that regard.

i need to get my hard copy of Things Hidden back again and do a greentext adventure with that. i cannot believe a copy of it does not exist on PDF. scandal.

>>12034799
>that tweet
What did he mean by this?

>>12034893
partly the truth, partly a master-class in trolling. things you can do once you achieve Purple Cashmere Sweater status in philosophy.

The fuck are you dolts talking about? Stop making up words.

>>12034740
I openly hate humanity

>>12034614

>>12034740
Yes.

The stowie goes wike this: Eawth is cawptuwed by a technowcapitaw singuwawity as wenaissawnce wationawitizatiown and owceanic navigatiown wock into commowditization take-owf. Wogisticawy accewewating technow-econowmic intewactivity cwuwmbwes sowciaw owdew in auwto-sowphisticating machine wunaway. As mawkets weawn to manuwfactuw intewigence, powitics mowdewnizes, upgwades pawanoia, and twies to get a gwip.

>>12034740
> metamorphosis means somehow you hate the earlier being of beings/state

nah nuh

A.I. will be our little boy and our little evolutionary achievement :3

>>12035538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg2pS9KN28U

>>12033885
Transbian starter pack

>>12033885
only 2 true for me

>>12034799
Land will tweet stupid shit about the superiority of circular argumentation and then go off on Hegel and call him "brain cancer" lmao.

>§0.05 — Bitcoin machines value. It follows that the prevailing conception of technology as instrumental capability, subsumed under extrinsic ends, is among the very many things to fall by the wayside as the process escalates. Traditional categories of thought (or conception) and action (or performance) are mutually subsumed into an irreducible cognitive action. The strengthening diagonal current passing between the notional and the actual, ‘ought’ and ‘is’, intelligence and mechanism – which in its aporetic articulation has been the exquisite torture of postmodern philosophy – is simply code. Bitcoin ushers this cryptic fatality into simultaneous conceptual and mechanical consummation.

i know that "solving" the is/ought problem is a favorite pastime for many, but it seems to me that it's more of a question of the degree of rigor with which this is done. in an earlier era, a transcendental signifier - any number of them - provided this function. perhaps it was shame that was necessary to compel barbaric Caravaggian souls. more recently our own attitude has been to declare the impossibility of ever even attempting to posit a connection, with as much hysterical and furious conviction. that is the point at which postmodernity loses any sense of its connection to a critical post-modernity and morphs into full-blown idpol, and produces the modern Blood War. Land is finding a way through this.

>§0.051 ...the Bitcoin ledger is the first intrinsically reliable record. It is now known what happened, without argument. This is a situation without precedent which also reaches – immediately – an absolute limit, in principle. It thus exemplifies the synthetic a priori. There is no philosophical thinking of Bitcoin – in either the subjective or objective genitive – that is not also (‘simultaneously’) a re-thinking of time, or sovereign decision. ‘Re-thinking’ is a revision, but no less a restoration. Bitcoin introduces us to a time-machine, or time-synthesizer, which can only complicate any initial intuitions about its novelty. It has been on the way for centuries (at least). This will, in any case, constitute the stubborn, guiding assertion of the book.

"It is now known what happened." i am deeply attracted to this idea, in some way. it's more than just intellectual curiosity. a time-synthesizer puts people on a common ground w/r/t each other, and possibly even w/r/t themselves, in some sense. you can't immanentize an eschaton which has already happened. extreme political radicalism will still have its allure, but it loses its connection to transcendental philosophy in a political sense. any made-up nation can issue its own currency as scrip, as much as any individual can play language games. but not all games are equally rigorous, or complex, or intelligent.

larp

>>12036005
Hegel was a retard though.

you don't need an Economics of Spirit, and if anything, you probably shouldn't have one. but we *do* have one, and the name for it in the 20C was, War Machine. this is one of the fundamental truths about political-libidinal economy: total employment. even Heidegger must have felt this to some degree, knowing that his Teutoburg cottage was ultimately defended by the power of hydroelectric dams and advanced jet propulsion. and Hegel and Marx form an inseparable dyad. however it is that Marx arrives at his theory of capital, the role played by Hegel in it is unmistakable, and whatever it is that that Hegel drew upon - which is the well and truly mystical - it lives on in the world today as his ghost, a ghost which has animated every major political struggle in the West down through the twentieth century, not the least of which was WW2 and the Cold War. today the entire American enterprise seems to be riven to its core over the meaning of socialism. postmodernity follows from modernity, and there is nothing modernity without Hegel and his inheritors.

what frightens about an Anton Chigurh is not the same thing as what frightens about a Judge Holden. Holden never lacked for employment or wealth; in his case it was among other things pure semantic wizardry that could convince an audience that he did in fact speak for the Law. Chigurh is arguably even worse, a being as chaoid as machine process itself. this is obviously not to argue for diabolical nemocentric supermen as these, only to suggest a way of understanding why it is that they occur and where they come from.

TENTACLES RULE
SLIME GIRLS DROOL

>>12036302
big if true

>>12036454
> dude i cant explain so they must square the circle in my mind lol
hegel's logic
fuck that retard

>>12036457
I can guarantee you have never read the greater Logic. You can start with the smaller if you feel (the beginning sections are simple enough) but it is still a challenge. Start with his lectures on history, or philosophy of history if you really feel like escaping pseudism

>>12036468
There's no "philosophy of history" unless you are metaphysical meme pseudist, TO FUCK WITH HEEL

>>12036483
t. Achilles

>>12035218
why can we not get a shoop of Judith Butler in Arrakis? not to take anything away from the awesomeness of this poster or Dune art in general, just that Butlerian/Jihad/AI et al has enough crossover meme potential to wonder why we don't have one.

really i'm just looking for an excuse to post a cool poster tho, nvm.

>In the final analysis, nothing less than the nature of reality is brought into question by this event. It concerns the ‘Being of beings’ (at least). If the claim seems extravagant, it is nevertheless inescapable, once the transcendental status of an ultimate criterion based upon absolute succession is granted to the Bitcoin protocol. It is not only that no higher tribunal exists. When envisaged at a sufficient level of abstraction, no higher tribunal could possibly exist. The Bitcoin ledger is the first intrinsically reliable record. It is now known what happened, without argument. This is a situation without precedent which also reaches – immediately – an absolute limit, in principle. It thus exemplifies the synthetic a priori. There is no philosophical thinking of Bitcoin – in either the subjective or objective genitive – that is not also (‘simultaneously’) a re-thinking of time, or sovereign decision. ‘Re-thinking’ is a revision, but no less a restoration. Bitcoin introduces us to a time-machine, or time-synthesizer, which can only complicate any initial intuitions about its novelty.

just re-posting this. this is what going for the belt looks like, why there is no end to the Wild Ride. just when you think things can not possibly get any stranger, or crazier, and when you have basically figured Guy X has Solved For Reality...somebody comes along and writes things more absolutely incredible than you could have imagined. i'm so stoked to read the rest of this thing gents. talk about a fucking time machine. it's a time *generator.*

reposting this killer art from a previous thread, ty kindly anon. Walk The Aeons, indeed. hnng.

seeding the thread with more Amy Weber too b/c why not. wrap your head around the idea of a self-propelling, self-generating Clockwork Swarm and have fun thereafter with reality.

let's not get trigged anymore about politics gents. it's fucking stupid and pointless, and there are things at work in the universe which massively eclipse any rational calculation. i have things to say about Right Establishment/Right Radical vs Left Establishment/Left Radical, and how ultimately this describes an OS, but seriously, who gives a shit about politics. it's symptom and not cure. the world is excessively, superabundantly interesting, and creative, and productive, and profoundly confused, but no amount of hysterical triggering will ever de-interesting it.

also, fuck yeah Space Taoism.

>>12036302
not this

>>12036883
source?

paging Aminom

looking for a Space Taoism reading list, or whatever you think is handy/necessary. would very much like to stick it in the OP for future anons (and also myself). if there is *more* Space Taoism out there, or anything you might think anons should read.

there's Whitehead and there's Hofstadter, Laozi obv. just curious to know what *else* there is, if anything, plus any links to math/music/et al. questions you're thinking about, whatever it is you want to talk about.

>>12036883
Nick Szabo's blog, 'Singularity'
https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/

>>12036896
>source?
>>12036929

>Step by step
>All the happy saints go marching in
>And if a saint step out of line
>He'll have to start again
>Cause Jacob's golden ladder
>Gets slippery at the top
>And many a happy-go-lucky saint
>Has made that long long drop

>If I'm late don't wait
>Go on without me
>I may tarry awhile
>Cause I mean to know
>Before I go
>How come the Devil smiles

>If I'm late don't wait
>Go on without me
>I may tarry awhile
>Cause I mean to know
>Before I go
>How come the Devil smiles

>Free from care
>Free from fear
>The saints are trooping in
>Children play all around the throne
>Innocent of sin
>A trillion voices sing the name
>The mortal may not know
>And Heaven's walls are too high to hear
>The trouble down below

>If I'm late don't wait
>Go on without me
>I may tarry awhile
>Cause I mean to know
>Before I go
>How come the Devil smiles
>I mean to know
>Before I go
>How come the Devil smiles
>I mean to know
>Before I go
>How come the Devil smiles

Jesse Winchester: Step by Step
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3SugB7SYaM

i repeat, paging Aminom Marvin
come in Aminom
over

>retro-disease
>nano-spasm
>neo-mystikos arrives again from the days of future past...

>theme music:
>https://youtu.be/ts3YWVFUnvU

>*dubstep and airhorns and bongs bubbling*

>"Ancient philosophy proposed to mankind an art of living. By contrast, modern philosophy appears above all as the construction of technical jargon for specialists."
>Pierre Hadot, Philosophy as a Way of Life

Too true. It's impossible to keep up with everything. One must choose their tunnels in the rabbit hole mirror labyrinths, eh guacho?

>"Ancient philosophy required a common effort, community of research, mutual assistance, and spiritual support."
>Pierre Hadot, Philosophy as a Way of Life

Wish I had that in real life. College has nothing similar. These boards do not suffice either.

>"In their [the Stoic's] view, philosophy did not consist in teaching an abstract theory -- much less in the exegesis of texts -- but rather in the art of living. It is a concrete attitude and determinate life-style, which engages the whole of existence. The philosophical act is not situated merely on the cognitive level, but on that of the self and of being. It is a progress which causes us to be more fully, and makes us better . . . It raises the individual from an inauthentic condition of life, darkened by unconsciousness and harassed by worry, to an authentic state of life, in which he attains self-consciousness, and exact vision of the world, inner peace, and freedom."
>Pierre Hadot, Philosophy as a Way of Life

Beautiful. I have felt that. Albeit on 1200 micrograms. Need to meditate and yoga more.

>"Inner peace is indispensable for efficacious action."
>Pierre Hadot, Philosophy as a Way of Life

My action is not efficacious. This post is not efficacious. But perhaps it will lead me to greater peace.

>"Sloterdijk turns Rilke’s ‘du mußt dein Leben ändern’ into the positive challenge of an existential acrobatics. The art of life is a morphological art, an acrobatic act of constituting collective spheres whilst balancing over a crevice on Nietzsche’s rope between animal and overman."

>“I have stretched ropes from steeple to steeple; Garlands from window to window; Golden chains from star to star ... And I dance.”

>"I say unto you: one must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. I say unto you: you still have chaos in yourselves. Alas, the time is coming when man will no longer give birth to a star. Alas, the time of the most despicable man is coming, he that is no longer able to despise himself."

>It is wrong to say: I think. One ought to say: I am thought. - Pardon the pun. - I is someone else. No matter for the wood that finds itself a violin, and scoff at the thoughtless, who argue about something they completely ignore!"

Tl;dr: practice chaos magic and accelerate your brand!

https://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/exor.html

>>12037114
teh basedness
>based &c
also based.

>One must choose their tunnels in the rabbit hole mirror labyrinths, eh guacho?
si mi amigo. esa es la verdad.

shyeah boi. ah, i love that picture so much, When You CHIM Just Right. captures the vibe of all of this so well, bravo sir. & looks good on you.

i just think that between you, me and Aminom we have some of the parts and pieces to Solve For Postmodernity in unironic ways. not in time to prevent the world from melting down under its own mimesis and hyperstition; probably much more like a final-scenes-of-Fight-Club kind of way, born too late/too early/just in time to watch the world burn kind of thing. i'm deeply sad about what i think the trajectory of things are. i feel Han quite intensely on Burnout. and yet there must also be life after Burnout.

in general it's all a very Vinegar Tasters kind of vibe. if Uncle Nick is right about BTC - and i think he is - then a kind of nondual human praxis that follows from it based on Space Taoism, Zen Acceleration, or Mystiko-Platonism all dovetails very nicely, imho. an *Escher*-compatible ethics, or metaphysics, is basically what i want to say about Girardian politics in general, the paradoxes of scapegoating, the futility of This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things, and fundamental mimesis and transformation over time. all i will ever drive from Uncle Nick's book is a reinforced belief in the fact that the world is fundamentally positive, and people fundamentally good. which is a tall order, after you've dragged yourself over the shredded-glass-bottomed wasteland of continental philosophy. as the Chinese proverb goes, and ty Amy Ireland for tweeting this:

>The sea of bitterness knows no bounds; turn back, the shore is at hand.

More poetically sung here:

Johnny Cash: Sea of Heartbreak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkfuAx0l3yk

i'm a softy at heart. but the point of all of this is not only to schizo-ramble purely for its own sake. i have something like 29K of words exploding in a word file, in a doomed attempt to summarize and condense my thoughts on this thread, and the condensation is not working. it's *growing,* if anything. the cruffitan liveth. but reduced to a tooth-rottingly saccharine hashtag meme, it's not MAGA but MEGA: make *everything* great again. it's cringe, but i'll bite the bullet on that one and be the guy who says cringe things, i've said enough so far and one more won't kill me.

it's a good day mystikos. it's another one of those good days. it's a good day for the Glass Bead Game. this has been so great. it's just all been so great.

gonna have to retire my erstwhile little red fish avatar as well.

>>12037247
What do we find amidst the rabbit hole mirror labyrinths. A few minotaurs? Suprisingly dociled. Our memory is a golden thread of ariadne - threading the tracks of the roller coaster which ties us to future and present. Idk. Ya. I give up on saving the world. Mostly just want to continue the great work. Write something important. Be a part of something important. No kids but some idea children to live in the minds of future men and women...

I dont understand a word. What the fuck are you spastic cunts on about now?

>>12036883
A logistic curve still has a singularity though (that is, the point where the slope is infinite, the center of the "S"). The main premise is also more about the large-scale change that will occur -- the time after it will be fundamentally different than before. It is essentially more of phase transition than anything else (which also follow similar parameter curves e.g. the temperature-energy curve for boiling water or tempature-magnetization curve for a paramagnet).

In this case, the two defining things are computation and time. It's a phase transition visible on a plot of time vs computation, in which the state (this time, a state of intelligence, as opposed to say a state of matter) will be qualititavely different than the time before it. There are many correlates we can tie to this- intelligence explosion, self-replicating machines etc; the main thing is all about computation though.

I've never seen anyone argue that the singularity will be a time of eternal exponetial growth, most of the main proponents will readily admit the maximum theoretical computational ability of matter (for example Bremermann's limit, which realistically far exceeds the actual possible rate).

bump

>>12037374
+1 for the great work and the golden thread, mos def.

>>12037395
mostly just continental theory-fuckery. start here. the Accelerate reader is good too. if you have time, Being and Time, both parts of Capitalism and Schizophrenia, then Fanged Noumena. then you're ready for shitposting in Land threads.

if you have more specific questions, do ask.

>What do we find amidst the rabbit hole mirror labyrinths. A few minotaurs? Suprisingly dociled. Our memory is a golden thread of ariadne - threading the tracks of the roller coaster which ties us to future and present. Idk. Ya. I give up on saving the world. Mostly just want to continue the great work. Write something important. Be a part of something important. No kids but some idea children to live in the minds of future men and women...

Autonym / Glass Bead Game / Life creates a way.

>>12037479
So it's like critical density?
>>12038226
Do some acid too.
>>12038278
Am I invited into your secret society? Idk. I just need to find my own with a lovely lady. Illuminati blood pact. That's all I remember before the alien mind phasers...

>>12037374
>What do we find amidst the rabbit hole mirror labyrinths?

>Now, this interconnection, or this adapting of all created things to each one, and of each one to all the others, brings it about that each simple substance has relational properties that express all the others, so that each monad is a perpetual living mirror of the universe.

>What we call a ‘living thing’ is a body that has a monad as its entelechy or its soul, together with
that entelechy or soul. And we call a living thing ‘an animal’ if its entelechy or central monad is a soul.

>So it can be said that not only is the soul—the mirror of an indestructible universe—indestructible, but so too is the animal; though its mechanism may often come to an end in part, and throw off or take on organic coating.

>I have noted some differences between ordinary souls and minds. Here is another. Souls in general are living mirrors or images of the universe of created things, but minds are also images of the Divinity himself, the author of Nature. They are capable of knowing the system of the universe, and of imitating aspects of it through sketchy constructions of their own, each mind being like a little divinity within its own sphere.

-- GWF Leibniz/Monadology

>>12039118
>do some acid too
find a flaw

forgot to add Process and Reality to that reading list, along with Hofstadter. Stengers too. there's a Cosmotech canon rapidly assembling.

>>12039159
damn, muh greentext

>Thus there is nothing barren, sterile, dead in the universe; nothing chaotic, nothing confused except in appearance. Here is an example of that. If you see a pond from a certain distance, you may see the swirling of the fish without being able to pick out any individual fish; it may seem to you that you are seeing confused movements of the fish, but really nothing is confused in itself—what’s happening here is that you are perceiving confusedly.

>Philosophers have been at a loss regarding the origin of forms, entelechies, or souls, ·but not any longer. Careful investigations into plants, insects and animals have shown that Nature’s organic bodies are never produced from chaos or from putrefaction, but always from seeds, in which there is without doubt already some preformation. Rather than something formed being generated from something formless, it has turned out that what is formed always comes from something that was already formed. So these days we think that before conception there is an organized body there, and that this has a soul; which is to say that before conception there is already an animal there. What conception does is to launch that animal into a great transformation that will turn it into an animal of a different kind.

>Each body is affected by the bodies that touch it, and feels some effects of everything that happens to them; but also through them it also feels the effects of all the bodies that touch them, and so on, so that such communication extends indefinitely. As a result, each body feels the effects of everything that happens in the universe, so that he who sees everything could read off from each body what is happening everywhere; and, indeed, because he could see in its present state what is distant both in space and in time, he could read also what has happened and what will happen...

>But a soul can read within itself only what is represented there distinctly; it could never bring out all at once everything that is folded into it, because its folds go on to infinity.

-- GWF/M

>In regulating the whole universe God had regard to each part, and especially to each monad; so each monad has features that are given to it in the light of the features of every other monad—it won’t be restricted to having correspondences with only a part of the universe. And since a monad is by nature representative, so that all its features are representations, nothing could restrict it to representing only a part of the universe. I am not saying that each monad is omniscient, or anything like that! A created monad’s representation of the details of the whole universe is confused; it can be distinct only with respect to a small part of things, namely things that are either closest or largest in relation to it. Otherwise every monad would be divine! Monads are limited not in how widely their knowledge spreads, but in what kind of knowledge it is. They all reach confusedly to infinity, to everything; but they are limited and differentiated by their different levels of distinct perception.

>Thus every organized body of a living thing is a kind of divine machine or natural automaton. It infinitely surpasses any artificial automaton, because a man-made machine isn’t a machine in every one of its parts. For example, a cog on a brass wheel has parts or fragments which to us are no longer anything artificial, and bear no signs of their relation to the intended use of the wheel, signs that would mark them out as parts of a machine. But Nature’s machines—living bodies, that is—are machines even in their smallest parts, right down to infinity. That is what makes the difference between nature and artifice, that is, between divine artifice and our artifice.

>And the author of Nature was able to carry out this divine and infinitely marvellous artifice because every portion of matter is not only divisible to infinity, as the ancients realised, but is actually sub-divided without end, every part divided into smaller parts, each one of which has some motion of its own rather than having only such motion as it gets from the motion of some larger lump of which it is a part. Without this infinite dividedness it would be impossible for each portion of matter to express the whole universe.

>And from this we can see that there is a world of creatures—of living things and animals, entelechies and souls—in the smallest fragment of matter.

-- GWF/M

>>12039220
>I take it for granted that every created thing can change, and thus that created monads can change. I hold in fact that every monad changes continually.

>These principles gave me a natural way of explaining the union of the soul with the organic body, or rather their conformity with one another. Soul and body each follow their own laws; and are in agreement in virtue of the fact that, since they all represent the same universe. there is a pre-established harmony among all substances.

>Imagine there were a machine whose structure produced thought, feeling, and perception; we can conceive of its being enlarged while maintaining the same relative proportions among its parts, so that we could walk into it as we can walk into a mill. Suppose we do walk into it; all we would find there are cogs and levers and so on pushing one another, and never anything to account for a perception. So perception must be sought in simple substances, not in composite things like machines. And that is all that can be found in a simple substance—perceptions and changes in perceptions; and those changes are all that the internal actions of simple substances can consist in.

>We could give the name ‘entelechy’ to all simple substances or created monads, because they have within them a certain perfection; there is a kind of self-sufficiency which makes them sources of their own internal actions—makes them immaterial automata, as it were.

-- GWF/M

based leibniz

> Reading Hegel
that's a strong yikes

>>12039267
hegel's cool. Uncle Nick hates him and so does Deleuze, but no Marx w/o Hegel and no Cosmotech loop w/o Land's re-Hegelianizing Marx.

might even be more accurate to say he is re-Heideggerianizing Hegel, actually.

>Nick Land: Reanimator

plus Based Han likes him as well.

>>12039280
> dude like the ABSOLUTE AND UNIVERSAL but oh my god they can't cross the rivers and mountains OOPS lol but SYNTHETIZE THIS IRREGULARITY SO IT MAKES SENSE

No. Delete.

>>12039287
not delete

we're Landians here (well, i am, anyways). Teleoplexy makes no sense without Marx, and Marx forms an unbreakable dyad with Hegel. Deleuze hates Hegel, and there are lots of ways to fuck with Hegel v/Spinoza/Nietzsche et al. there's no question about that. but throwing Hegel out makes Based Han angry. and even D&G cannot write Anti-Oedipus w/o Lacan being there first. also, who's "they?"

synthesizing irregularities so that they make sense is what we call the culture of late capitalism anyhow, which imho is all a giant bootloader for AI. that's Spirit, although in a very roundabout way. even all the exciting stuff you read about going in the news today is still only so much debased Marxism, which is but one interesting part of the PoS.

i am going to snuggle my copy of the Phenomenology now.

>>12039118
>Am I invited into your secret society?
It's so secret that it's own members don't know they are members, though they may eventually suspect it.

>>12039257
Preformationism is a classic example of the theme of order-from-order that characterizes the Newtonian-Cartesian clockwork universe. It's based from this point of view, but ultimately not red-pilled.

The Principia Discordia is a must read: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/1.php

Because Process and Reality is one of the most notoriously difficult books ever, I'd recommend "The Metaphysics of Experience: A Companion to Whitehead's Process and Reality"by Elizabeth Kraus before it.

>>12039312
>also, who's "they?"
Clearly the Absolute Spirit and Universal Reason which get cucked by rivers, small mountains, roads and what not. Hegel was a fucking charlatan of highest order.

>>12039315
ty very kindly sir. i was hoping to attract your All-Seeing-Eye in those earlier posts. as i said, there was an anon in the last thread who said he was looking for Space Taoism "from the source," which i said was you, and that you might pop in later on and recommend some stuff.

given that Space Taoism goes in the OP of these threads, i thought it might be cool to have some recommended links for that too. i'll include the Principia Discordia, the two Hofstadter books (GEB/IaaSL), P&R and that guide you have recommended also. plus Stengers, that book was the jam. i don't know if you've read it yet but it absolutely sold me on Whitehead. & anything else you think is relevant for ST that you want to think about or let other anons know about, let me know and i'll update the copypasta in the Moar Aminom section accordingly.

i've never actually read the PD myself, maybe i'll give it a look. i really did have a nice chuckle today tho connecting the Escher painting to that Jesse Winchester song. hope you enjoyed.

>>12039321
>Clearly the Absolute Spirit and Universal Reason which get cucked by rivers, small mountains, roads and what not.
Cucked by Rivers and Small Mountains is my underground DJ name, which is a crazy coincidence

>Hegel was a fucking charlatan of highest order.
t. Schopenhauer

this is not going well enough for me to prefer this to sleeping. i can't fap to this anon. something's not working

>>12039257
can you tell me more about what he means by perception? or i think he calls it aperception

>>12039315
also, this being an actual coincidence and not a made-up one, a google search for that image pulls up this image, which i've seen before. i went through a period of collecting Fool tarot images for a bit, as i have a bit of a fondness for them, being one myself.

and also fools/Goof-Offs transform into sages even without reading the Zen Scroll in DQ3. but i suppose that is off-topic.

>>12039379
that's a tough question, especially at this hour. i'm probably not the right guy to ask tho, not being really a serious Leibniz guy. besides what you can pull off of Google i don't actually know much about the difference between perception and apperceptions, which is Kantian stuff also and as such does kinda-sorta bear on this stuff. way back in Cosmotech #4 we had one anon who was all about GWF. maybe he's still hanging around to shed some light on this? i dunno.

i'm packing it in for this evening lads, more tomorrow almost certainly (now that we apparently being spoiled rotten by new Uncle Nick every day, and today's stuff was absolutely awesome). the beloved Cosmotech/Acceleration general dipped down to page 8 before it was bumped, i wasn't sure if that meant the Great Experiment had come to a close or not. in the event that it *does* die - all good things must come to an end, of course - i don't see why it can't be resurrected at a later date as well, especially after how fast #12 went through. i don't want people to Burn Out anymore than they may already be. and that at this point if it were to die, it has exceeded all of my hopes and then some, has been a wonderful time, i salute the divine within you, and all the rest. guess i'll make sure that much is understood here, lest i forget later on! really has been an absolute treat gents. i'm happy of course to continue...just sayin'. so if the thread dies a premature death it can always be resurrected SF3 style later on, and i will post it as Cosmotech #14 whether it all links seamlessly or takes a break or w/ev. we're mellow enough here about our acceleration to be okay with the cycle of life and death, even (especially!) in threads.

>>12039428
not every Cosmotech thread, in other words, is required to complete the System of German Idealism (again). that is a cool thing to accomplish, for sure, and this is why it warrants celebratory music and other things, but it's not like *every* Cosmotech loop can be expected to end on such a glorious note. that would be too much! far too much. that we have become System-Complete in so many of these threads so far - that is to say, all of them, except for the Strange Fate of Cosmotech #3 - is really incredible. and a wee red fish that has recently become a disco ball cannot possibly want for more than this on the world's greatest literature board. i've already had way, waaaaay more fun than i ever expected, and as far as i'm concerned, it's all gravy at this point and playing with house money.

in case that was worth mentioning. it's *quality* that matters, not quantity. being System-Complete is just icing on the cake. like all good things, it cannot be forced, but happens if it was meant to happen. 'tis all.

>>12037395
here's a basic gestalt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVsyMalJXo

>>12039739
If he only knew that he worships the very thing he describes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxwp36PE73A

Hey Byung-Chul Han is actually pretty cool. Thanks for recommending.

I am reading Augustine's Confessions, and as the dumb atheist who I am, I can't understand what's the deal of this author's thought in the Cosmotech context. I like his prose, some of his meditations are pretty interesting, but I just can't understand. Someone could spoonfeed me? I have to start Book Ten.

>>12040259
Those books aren't exactly in the reading list for what this thread is about.

>>12039934
>tfw you don't actually speak German Idealism and cannot understand the video
>damn

you're very welcome. and yes, Han is completely awesome and a Cosmotech all-star for this reason.

Neoliberalism is broken. it began breaking in the 1990s, broke some more in the 2000s and in the 2010s has entered into Nostrils Are Racist mode. but we're sort of consciously apolitical here. /acc is turbo-Marxism to R'lyeh and beyond, in all its various forms, with r/acc being the most interesting (and contradictory) form of this. Foucault being something like the St. Augustine of postmodernity, it's a welcome relief to find Han firing on him in pretty much every book that he writes. and not because Foucault himself is some kind of emissary of the dark one, but because Cosmotech subscribes unironically to Land's theory of teleoplectic time and modernity, which is birthed under 1990s-style social democracy + free-market capitalism, and the ultimate result of which is machine intelligenesis. everything that resists this Temporalizing curve becomes moribund, and as it becomes moribund, it becomes an un-self-aware process trading violence for the sacred, and vice-versa. its fundamental problem is that of *human obsolescence,* and it is that very obsolescence which drives individuals to seek refuge in gnostic politics, exactly as JBP says.

in many ways, Cosmotechnics (if not philosophy itself) can be called a *discourse on cynicism.* even DFW remarked that a literary tradition could not be founded on a culture of irony, and if ironic or post-modern self-awareness does not in the long run trend towards automation it trends towards an ever-more violent form of *protest metaphysics* (© girardfag, 2018). after 2016 these protest metaphysics take a surprising turn by electing not the Blue-Team Hilary president that the US had been groomed for for a decade, but the Red-Team Trump president that not even NRx guys predicted, and which has cranked the speed on the dialectic far beyond eleven. nothing like an *end* to a period of back-and-forth mimetic feuding in the Girardian manner can be expected anytime soon.

that is what makes our project here relevant. i'm interested in a human operating system for the 21C that follows from what teleoplexy signifies. between Land, Girard, Confucius, Laozi, Whitehead, Heidegger and many others i only see aspects of the same process, which is a fundamentally positive one. even though everything is sadly political these days, it's 21C people that are required, and not 21C politics. there is no built-in *end* to alienation. the old Establishment left has now become the radical left, and vice-versa; it has exchanged its roles. to be Establishment *is* to be radical. conversely, the Establishment right now appears in some sense more radical than the left, but what makes it radical is in some sense its connection to what has to be understood to be its *miraculous* foundations, that is, the possibility of consciousness itself.

>>12040259
see
>>12040264
the acceleration-specific reading list is here.
>>/lit/thread/S11823861#p11835482

Augustine is one of the most important intellectual influences on the development of Western civilization after Plato and Christ himself. he is the great synthesizer: with him Greek philosophy, Roman law, Christian religion, Judaic religion, and Persian religion all come together in a single person, and what he produces becomes the OS for the Roman empire for the next thousand years. it is not an understatement to say that he lays the foundations for Christendom and Europe itself, and is directly connected to a fundamental shift from late antiquity to the early modern period. in classical antiquity there is nothing like *heresy,* as much as in the middle ages there is nothing like *tragedy.* this is due in no small way to the role of Augustine himself. these things are in some way beyond good and evil, and it was not really until Nietzsche that the meaning of Greek tragedy was re-discovered again. Augustine is one of the great ethical teachers of mankind.

it's possible that once we Solve For Postmodernity via Cosmotech that a Cosmotech: The Prequeling thread could be talked about, in which we just get at the origins of technology and so on from a different perspective. Land does not have a great amount of feeling for either Nietzsche or Christianity, but there is a dyad there that very much leads to today, which is less like a rehashing of the Thirty Years' War than a protestant civil war fought between Red and Blue protestants. it will be ugly, and may give rise to a kind of Neo-Enlightenment, or maybe not. it is the hope of Cosmotech threads that this *does* happen, and there is more than enough in Land et al to make a case for why this is both historically necessary, and highly compatible with YH's request:

>Cosmotechnics proposes that we reapproach the question of modernity by reinventing the self and technology at the same time, giving priority to the moral and the ethical.

i'm fine with "Acceleration for moralfags." i personally don't think it's hard to see why morality is missing today. weaponized irony can only repeat its same and diminishing hand of cards now, over and over again. at bottom it is only one and the same card: Not You. metaphysics of difference are for real, no question. but the problem of knowledge itself has changed, as has the nature of nihilism and existentialism. *nihilism is a collective process also.* i'll have more to say on this later. that a question about *time* runs all the way from the pre-Socratics, through Benedictine monasteries, through Kant, through all of the modernist masters, through Heidegger, and all the way to Landian Temporalization is the thing i most want to discuss. before acceleration there was Being, in many different forms. Being - or Temporalization - has never been Greater than it is now.

>>12040356
Land himself will say,
>Above Temporalization there is nothing. To engage in critique is to think in the name of time.

my own mad feels for Heidegger all went into cryo-freeze once i started reading /acc stuff, and now that Crypto-Current is trending back in the direction fo a rapprochement with Heidgger i could not possibly be more excited. it is about time, and it always was. the big existential questions always are.

how it is that we come to think time in modernity is a complicated question. with Heidegger himself the Gestell > everything. Land's teleoplexy *is* that Gestell. and so we arrive at a very interesting place in which Land is re-Hegelianizing Marx, who - once upon a time, and bleargh to this horrible phrase - "turned Hegel on his head." Teleoplexy turns Marx on *his* head, which inverts Hegel, and now - he has well and truly earned his Purple Cashmere Sweater for this, the sign of absolute mastery in philosophy - he is connecting teleoplexy to temporalization, which squares that process with the phenomenological one begun by Heidegger, continued by Derrida, and now leading to the present day.

there is an *unbelievable* kind of syncretism in all of this, which lacks only one thing: an ethical dimension that Land will never provide, and that is a good thing, because i want him only to concentrate his attention on where it needs to be, which is the hermeneutics of Bitcoin. Sloterdijkian anthropotechnics are one aspect of this, and the third leg of the table, which is the least developed (Land channels Marx, Sloterdijk Nietzsche, and in those two you have the Vinegar Tasters of Western modernity), is that of YH, for whom these threads are named, and whose project is absolutely based:

>the unification between the cosmic order and the moral order through technical activities (although the term cosmic order is itself tautological since the Greek word kosmos means order). The concept of cosmotechnics immediately provides us with a conceptual tool with which to overcome the conventional opposition between technics and nature, and to understand the task of philosophy as that of seeking and affirming the organic unity of the two.

one way of imagining this would be Aminom's Space Taoism, of which i am a big big fan, and i plan on supplementing some of his ideas with some notes of my own on Zen Acceleration. and Mystikos has thoughts of his own on these things. we also like Marty Glass quite a lot for Yuga. but it's all of a piece. an often fractious, apparently schizoid, and jargon-heavy piece, but a piece it be. and it's JBP-compatible as well, which is nice.

>>12040391
Has Nickboy defined time or said which definition he uses?

>>12040482
he has:

>§0.051 — It is necessary to go further. In the final analysis, nothing less than the nature of reality is brought into question by this event. It concerns the ‘Being of beings’ (at least). If the claim seems extravagant, it is nevertheless inescapable, once the transcendental status of an ultimate criterion based upon absolute succession is granted to the Bitcoin protocol. It is not only that no higher tribunal exists. When envisaged at a sufficient level of abstraction, no higher tribunal could possibly exist. The Bitcoin ledger is the first intrinsically reliable record. It is now known what happened, without argument. This is a situation without precedent which also reaches – immediately – an absolute limit, in principle. It thus exemplifies the synthetic a priori. There is no philosophical thinking of Bitcoin – in either the subjective or objective genitive – that is not also (‘simultaneously’) a re-thinking of time, or sovereign decision. ‘Re-thinking’ is a revision, but no less a restoration. Bitcoin introduces us to a time-machine, or time-synthesizer, which can only complicate any initial intuitions about its novelty. It has been on the way for centuries (at least). This will, in any case, constitute the stubborn, guiding assertion of the book.

>** Critique is anti-Archimedean philosophy, and in this strict sense an intrinsic anti-rationalism. It is directed against the pretensions to super-ordinate theoretical leverage which define metaphysics. Every claim to exception from immanence falls prey to it. Its sole empirically exorbitant proposition is that the whole permits no oversight. No ‘view from above’ can be true. Critique thus supplies the schema for that flat epistemology which empiricism requires and fails, itself, to produce. Its historical mission is to make the world safe for empiricism (i.e. techno-science). It can therefore be understood as modernity’s watchdog. Liberal civilization knows no higher principle of security. Its enemies are ‘churches’ with global ambitions, which is to say universalizing abstract-ecclesiastical authorities. When all relevant terms are stripped of encrustation with maximum rigor, critique is accurately characterized as anarchism in philosophy. It is that, alone, which cannot know any higher law. Whatever tries to transcend it can only repeat it, or less. We call this time, which can never be anticipated or out-lasted. Above Temporalization there is nothing. To engage in critique is to think in the name of time.

see also
>>12032839.
Teleoplexy is must-read for Cosmotech, and there's a link in that post (it's also in the Accelerate reader, linked to in the OP). it's like twelve pages, and it is complete perfection. CC/BTC is a continuation of that, which in turn is a continuation of Fanged Noumena and lots of stuff he brewed up on Xenosystems. Uncle Nick is nothing if not consistent, and he's the most interesting man alive for that reason.

and oh shit there's new stuff. shyeah boiiiiiiiiiiiiii

fucking Daily Nick/The Daily Accelerator is the greatest possible way he could do this thing, it's so much more fun.

boys we are spoiled. i'm going to relocate, catch up with you guys in a bit.

>>12040507
Computational timestamps use cesium or pulsar to define time. Bitcoin relies on this too, it doens't invent its own def. of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium_standard

>>12040563
that's fine, but people aren't *paying* each other in pulsar right now.

>>12040581
Technically you are, it's just a measurement of time-regime and sacrifice.

You are paying in materialized value of the movement of the cesium.

>>12040587
let me relocate and some more coffee and we can get into this further.

i'm not saying you're wrong or anything, and indeed what Land likes about BTC in general is that it is a record of everything, like a language for time. perhaps in the same way that when i write, or type, it's true that there is ink (or light) underneath the letters themselves, but that's not what you pay attention to when you actually read. what you see are the letters and the shapes that allow for signal coherence. to go beyond this is possible, i suppose, but it's not what people who are actually making deals or paying each other in BTC with are actually interested in. what they want is a coherent transaction and a fungible currency with which to do so.

so do i, tbqh. and even if a more microscale currency happens later on, if it is spawned by BTC itself it will all be the same thing for Land. i can't speculate too much on this b/c the book isn't finished yet, but that's my sense today.

coffee. back later.

>>12040563
It sort of does, because the time as duration isn't what's important, it's just the consensus of simultaneity. Once on the blockchain, the blocks become the chronons and duration is measured in blocks.

It's reliant on an outside time, but the 'time' created is something entirely new.

>>12040596
>blocks become the chronons and duration is measured in blocks.

are you asserting time slows currently because bitcoin's verifications slow down?

>>12040601
Not at all. Blockchain time is independent of "real" time.

>>12040620
but how can it be since its (blockchains) timestamps are based on atomic clocks?

it's only the verification process that is robust.

>>12040628
Tying the blocks to real time is only important in terms of the network constructing blocks and tying them to real world events. For events on the blockchain, the only time that seems real is time as measured in blocks. Verification time is something that does not even exist.

>>12040649
> For events on the blockchain, the only time that seems real is time as measured in blocks
but surely you can't base time on something that can vary by computing power of the network? that'd mean time slows down when the network gets heavy traffic or gets attacked?

> Verification time is something that does not even exist
I meant it in a way that 'verified' time has passed (like we basically do with anything that registers change).

i understand the practical particular awesomess of having thousand CPUs confirm something to blockchain but dont really see there anything larger to it

>>12040662
>that'd mean time slows down when the network gets heavy traffic or gets attacked?
How can a quantum of time grow or shrink in size when it is the very basis of measurement?

You are looking at the blockchain purely from the perspective of constructing it, and not allowing yourself to think about it from the perspective of what is constructed.

I'm not /ACC, actually I'm /STOP. but I just wanted to point out how ensuring and capital cost recovery on taxes is accelerating the growth of capitals fictitious reality.(only for wealthy corporations)

>It is necessary to go further. In the final analysis, nothing less than the nature of reality is brought into question by this event. It concerns the ‘Being of beings’ (at least). If the claim seems extravagant, it is nevertheless inescapable, once the transcendental status of an ultimate criterion based upon absolute succession is granted to the Bitcoin protocol. It is not only that no higher tribunal exists. When envisaged at a sufficient level of abstraction, no higher tribunal could possibly exist. The Bitcoin ledger is the first intrinsically reliable record. It is now known what happened, without argument.

Is this the first fallacy of Nick's crypto adventure?
It's is NOT known exactly what happened, not from outside the chain or on the chain, without doing computations. It just makes it deterministic. Which may or may not be any stronger than our greater reality.

>>12040662
Nick Land sees time as an intensity, something which builds and occilates. The measure of teleoplexy is complexity.

Reality exists in experience, the reality of capital exists in our experience, the story of capital is a purely fictitious story tied to the political economy. The reality of interactive experience, of work and matter and feeling, is not the reality of capital. Capital is eroding reality, eventually to the point where capitalist fiction will no longer be experienced, and nothing at all will be experienced, because we will be dead.

>§0.06 — Crypto-Current is organized into six sections, which together compose a cycle. The analytically dismantled circuit of Bitcoin – with each segment seized as a philosophical provocation – finally closes upon itself in an attestation of its positive groundlessness. The loop of Bitcoin auto-production knows nothing of transcendence, at any stage. Whatever might have sought to intrude, representing an extrinsic authority, is dismissed as a superfluous ‘trusted third party’. The circuit is the entire thing.

show me a man who has forgotten words. my body, for one, is ready.
>A path is made by walking on it. - Zhuangzi

>§0.061 — On the path to a philosophical hash of Bitcoin as a transcendental horizon, Crypto-Current commits itself to a number of interlocking but isolable propositions. Among these, the most intensely exploited – which is to say, those found indispensable for our purposes – are advanced here, in the approximate order of their introduction. Compressed in this way, they can only appear ill-grounded, or dogmatic. They are anticipated in this way for the purposes of convenient preparation, not persuasion. (Digits in the first decimal place correspond to the chapters of this book where the principal discussion is found.)

this is intro? this is intro.
>now this is blockracing

i now sexually identify as a disco ball because of these threads, how's everyone else doing?

>>12040595
people get too hung up in bitcoin -- meanwhile ethereum:

>>12040755
But capital isn't complex at all. Look at all it takes to build a new apartment complex, first they have to level and grate the land, with all the workers and death and destruction, and all the planning and reasoning, action and interaction. In the end, the existence of capital is only as complex as numbers on a balance sheet. Capital destroys complexity and hetrogenity and replaces it with a qualitatively homogeneous mess with no direct ties to reality.

>>12040765
>The reality of interactive experience, of work and matter and feeling, is not the reality of capital.
this is true

>Capital is eroding reality
this tho. by 2018 we have to say that it is not only modernity itself, but postmodernity also, and our attempt to somehow say at one at the same time that the map is not the territory, and also that the map (grievance politics) is realer-than-real. the clusterfuck in which we find ourselves is not exclusively Marxist nor anti-Marxist, but results from a profound bewilderment within postmodernity itself, AKA, Bloody Neo-Marxism, which is also neoliberaism, and is, and isn't - yes? the loop is closed by the rainbow flag flying proudly atop the Goldman Sachs building, and this is *not* an argument for unironic love of the Third Reich either. this is about the difference between philosophy and idpol altogether, which is a deep hole.

Nosedive was set in something like the West, Xi-style Social Credit is happening in the East, and is by no means a fiction, but a very real thing in process. it's all bad, and nothing like a return to 20C politics in any of their great ideological forms will do anything more than repeat the process.

the direction is not left or right, but up.

>>12040770
maybe Uncle Nick will talk about it. it's all much the same for me atm. from a philosophical perspective blockchain is blockchain and crypto is crypto. but i'd 100% buy a book called Ethereum and Philosophy, no question.

what's blowing your mind about Ethereum? tell a guy who doesn't really know all that much about it.

>>12040799
>the direction is not left or right, but up.

the Up, mind, is conditional on a long trip Down, first, which winds up carving all kinds of holes in space and time. but ultimately it has to be up again, at least such is my feel. or Out. anything but Left/Right, for the love of god.

>The various ties that bind us — a collective educational experience, adherence to the verdict of elections, integration and assimilation, sovereignty between delineated borders, a vibrant popular and shared culture, and an expansive economy that makes our innate desire to become well-off far more important than vestigial tribalism — all waned. Entering a campus, watching cable news, switching on the NFL, listening to popular music, or watching a new movie is not salve but salt for our wounds.

>In the absence of political, cultural, or social ecumenicalism, perhaps we can at least for now privately retreat to the old Hippocratic adage of “first, do no harm” to one another.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/divisive-political-issues-immigration-race-globalization/

Uncle Nick is mad. i know why. he's a hardcore man and he gives no quarter and shows no mercy. he's either the last true orthodox Marxist or the first true 21C-compatible new one. and about thirty million other adjectives. i wonder if he's mad at Hanson, who is otherwise pretty on-point with everything he writes, and frequently severe towards the same things that Land is severe towards - because he thinks at this point that conciliation is death.

gonna be a big day gents. historically Socrates was born in philosophically anarchic times, much as Laozi was. Chaos was always intellectually fecund. perhaps it is to be the same with BTC.

>>12040799
Ethereum is 100% turing compatible -- it is literally a giant decentralized computer. The developers of bitcoin stripped most of its functionality out early on to make as stable of a payment platform as possible. Ethereum went the opposite direction, and stuffed as much functionality in as they could. Ethereum isn't just digital money, it is a self-contained computational ecosystem. It is designed to natively process trustless contracts (smart contracts); this ranges from literal payment contracts to games, all the way to secure voting systems and censorship free, psudoanonymous communication channels. Why trust a person at the top to make decisions for a company/government when you can build immutable decision making algorithms and hardcod them directly to the blockchain? Not to say that Ethereum is the be all end all, but that the turing complete approach to blockchain is the real revolutionary one. BTC in many ways is technologically conservative.

>>12040859
>Why trust a person at the top to make decisions for a company/government when you can build immutable decision making algorithms and hardcod them directly to the blockchain?
that only works if computing power is distributed though, if somebody manages to monopolize computing power they can control crypto

>>12040859
cool. completely cool.

not much for a smoothbrain like me to say about it, really. it sounds cool. i am philosophy guy & neither computers nor finance guy. my task is to crawl through a teeny little portal reserved for me and drag a lot of Old Time Religion into the 21C. but it sounds like *reality* which i like, after having been swamped in the postmodern Cloud of Unknowing and needing Land's defibrillators and neurotoxin to get through it, in a scene vaguely reminiscent of 28 Days Later. i strongly expect that most if not all of our serious philosophical conversations in the future will mostly be about bugs and fixes and other stuff that will make the 20C seem as remote as Athens is to us today. 'tis a world of mind-machine interface on the way, and machine-assisted free will, and much else. places

>clothed in smoke like those vaporous beings in regions beyond right knowing where the eye wanders and the lip jerks and drools.

like a giant Ender's/Hearts of Iron Game...
>shut up you face girardfag the future will be awesome
>i know inner self but i'm too fucking stupid to understand it
>then stop flapping yer gums already and just enjoy the Wild Ride
>when you're right you're right inner self

what are your thoughts on DAO &c? apart from having a wildly awesome name, given the generally Eastern vibe we are fond of here.

http://www.allenovery.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Article%20Decentralized%20Autonomous%20Organizations.pdf

>>12040891
Good luck!

>>12040902
i'm not saying they can cryptographically break it or retrospectively change the blockchain, just that they can use their computing power to cuck other miners and decide the direction of the blockchain and nobody can do anything about it

>>12040891
right, but 51% attacks are already being worked against in major ways, including ethereums planned move to implement PoS and sharding. Bitcoin is ironically one of the most vulnrable to 51% because of chinese asic production. I wouldn't bet against tech here, personally.

>>12040898
thinking about BTC/Ethereum be like

and yet it is the most interesting form of philosophy in the world. an actual Rectification of Names w/r/t Temporalization explains, among other things, the concept of *games* in ways that are dimly comprehensible for people like me. the Ludic Arts. it's why you can't dismiss things as being "just" language games, and why games in general are a positive outgrowth of the world of simulation and much else. true, we lose some of the distinction between the sacred and the profane; conversely, we gain...well, a whole lot of other stuff.

game-playing, turn-taking, and formal structures of time in their relation to language and other forms of representation is a thing i've been interested in for a while. "ludics" is a beautiful word, and we do love the Glass Bead Game around here. but really i just wanted to post this image.

>>12040898
DAOs &c is exactly what makes turning complete blockchains so exciting. If you think about it, new distributed companies like uber are already one step from decentralization; once the program can match people, deal with paynent transfers, ratings, ect. what's the point of even having a traditional company? Remember, once somethings on the block chain its their forever, this means (for the most part) contracts will always continue to work, even if uber went down and there was no one even running the company a hypothetical uber DAO would still be totally functional on the blockchain. I haven't read the link yet though, I'm backlogged by all the other awesome links itt

>>12040777

>>12040991
the next Buddha will be a Sangha...

>I haven't read the link yet though, I'm backlogged by all the other awesome links itt
well, this makes my day. your satisfaction is our #1 priority here in the Cosmotech/acceleration general. go read then amigo. happy bewildering. & thanks for making me want to think more about ETH today. Ether/Or was one of the meme edition-names i was tinkering with for a later iteration, keep it a secret.

'tis all indeed some fascinating mindware indeedy.

cribbed from YH's twitter. not actually quite as awesome an article as you might have hoped for, but relevant.
http://www.atimes.com/chinese-ai-will-develop-chinese-artificial-consciousness/

the Sage of Berlin and master Cosmotechnician/Astral Engineer is to be found here:
https://twitter.com/digital_objects

if you haven't read his book yet, i highly recommend it, along with Heidegger and ofc everything Uncle Nick has ever written, including the smutty drug-fueled love letters he circulated around the CCRU in the 90s, those are awesome. Negarestani too...

>>12041060
and you my dog shit brained fellow need to pick up calc

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZHQObOWTQDMsr9K-rj53DwVRMYO3t5Yr

>>12041071
pic rel

i know, You Must Not Neglect Geometry &c. the Department of Speculative Economics has a room reserved for math people and it is presently empty and dusty and very sad. it is not where girardfag lives, because he is afraid of using the non-cozy parts of his brain. i like smoking hookah and being a giant slug who memes about continental philosophy.

idk amigo. i want to write about Toshiro Mifune and M:TG and other stuff. Essence of Calculus is like...work. maybe later.

it is a good link tho, ty. if you want to go on a rampage about Why You Must Not Neglect Calculus, it would be most welcome tho. i just don't know if i'm going to do it, i have a 4000-word long screed about Snake Plissken, which is really my great contribution to a fading and evanescent humanity.

>>12041099
>it is not where girardfag lives, because he is afraid of using the non-cozy parts of his brain

using your dog shit part helps your non-dogshit part too

>>12041104

it was asked in Cosmotech #7:
>are bees /cyber/

to which the answer was an emphatic yes, and a long ramble followed on Hibachi, hiveminds, Deleuze's wasp, and probably not enough about Swarms, about which Based Han has written a book.

pic rel is Charon's Obol, which is an interesting symbolic idea indeed. that it comes engraved with a bee is just mounting evidence for bees as /ourbug/.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon%27s_obol

things to think about.
>get fucked girardfag
>but i am so fucked inner self. to be fucked further is to gild the lily
>still tho, get fucked
>y so negative inner self
>because girardfag you and your meme ideas are like a ten cent gravity well. leave /lit/ney alone
>someday inner self. it will happen. but the world is just too interesting these days and we like to share

Girardboy shit

>>12041430
left: me
right: also me

yr pic makes Mifune very happy indeed anon mos def

>>12041468
http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/rob/Courses/InformationInSpeech/CDROM/Literature/LOTwinterschool2006/szabo.best.vwh.net/tradition.html

Szabo writes good stuff

>>12041489
aye. i should think so. i'll have a look at this later, i'm grumbling about some stuff into a word file atm, so answers are a little shorter than per usual. if NZ isn't the actual genius blowing Uncle Nick's mind, he's permanently linked to whatever the fuck Satoshi Nakamoto is, was, or will be, and which Land is currently uncorking for poor old reality. and if Szabo *is* the guy behind it all, and that paper alone is making Uncle Nick feel the need to write the greatest work in continental philosophy since Anti-Oedipus, then...yeah, fucking wizards unironically walk among us.

maybe i should have a link to unenumerated in the OP. would look good under >>12032807, no? would make sense. the hermeneutics of *currency* itself being the sad condition of our philosophy today...hmf.
>mifune intensifies
>doesn't necessarily feel good man but feels better than feeling like shit man

also pic rel is worth a read, if you (or any anons ITT) haven't checked it out yet. goes very nicely with your Mauss/Bataille/Baudrillard et al.

>>12032801
What films are some good movies with an Accelerationist aesthetic.

>>12041531
i'm partial to this one, which later became Twelve Monkeys.

Akira/GITS obv, but you knew that already. an Accelerationist Movie List would be good to pair with the cyberpunk reading list (Cosmotech #5, iirc).

>>12041549
also:

never saw the film, but the gif is flawless.

>>12041549
Ghost in the Shell 2 is very underrated in my opinion. It's far more indulgent with the philosophy (you have scenes where characters are literally quoting Milton, Dawkins and Psalms back at one another verbatim) but the atmosphere and tone is great, and it's visually beautiful. In terms of anime the anthology Neo Tokyo is also great, especially part 2.

I would also recommend Black Rain simply due to the aesthetics alone. It's your standard cop drama but it looks fantastic and was a clear echo of Blade Runner's neon Asian style. Only God Forgives is good for that too if you like run-down night-time Thailand. Maybe Enter the Void also, although it's a bit more spiritual.

Cronenberg's Crash comes to mind for the erotic fusion of man and machine, Johnny Mnemonic simply for the pure excess of cyberpunk, Fallen Angels for the alienated urban feel, Koyaanisqatsi for the world-history planet grinding Capital immensity vibe. A Scanner Darkly for amphetamine paranoia

>>12041631
this looks like a dope list, i've seen like maybe two of those. well done sir well done

>Koyaanisqatsi
shyeah boi. next to Seven Samurai pic rel is an all-timer for me. i brought a friend of mine to see this on shrooms and it was either a Great Bad Idea or a Bad Great Idea. the jury is still out. you know the scene i'm talking about if you've seen it, and if you don't, you will.

you can see a couple of clips from it in SMAC also. it's hardly an /acc film but once upon a time there was life before the Wild Ride (as apparently there isn't anymore, sigh).

>>12041656
I think Koyaanisqatsi, Baraka and Samsara are all Accelerationist films in their own way, although the later films tend to focus more on spirituality and non-Western cultures. They're all about the clash between Capital and traditional human cultures, as well as the different time structures between them. The scenes in nature and in the primitive Indian regions are slow and gradual, the scenes in New York, in industrial farms and commercial machinery are all hyper-accelerated, for example.

>>12041706
>I think Koyaanisqatsi, Baraka and Samsara are all Accelerationist films in their own way, although the later films tend to focus more on spirituality and non-Western cultures. They're all about the clash between Capital and traditional human cultures, as well as the different time structures between them. The scenes in nature and in the primitive Indian regions are slow and gradual, the scenes in New York, in industrial farms and commercial machinery are all hyper-accelerated, for example.

bloc-quoted for truth. even if they aren't /acc, they're certainly Cosmotech. one of the things i hope percolates out from this experiment is that - to paraphrase Brassier - acceleration is a point of speculative departure, and not an ideology of itself. it does not mean Fuck Yeah Collapse. it is very much more like a tiny pocket dimension, best represented by the End of Time in Chrono Trigger, from which any number of doors outwards can be opened, whether onto the Elemental Plane of Slime, the Elemental Plane of Rl'Yeh, or a small room in which Reza Negarestani is there by himself and playing Super Mario Kart or w/ev game he is into these days. acceleration *makes philosophy great again* and then immediately fails to be able to explain why that is, or why that should be a meaningful or realistic goal at all.

and because we like to score easy points for things by resorting to achingly beautiful music cribbed from crossover vidya, we will seed the thread with rawest sentimentality to that end.

FF9: Terra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1kNuPj2vO8

earth's cool.

>>12041737
>>12041706
>>12041656
philip glass who made the music for those is marty glass' brother

>>12041799
>philip glass who made the music for those is marty glass' brother

excuse me a moment while i stare out the window and think about what an outstandingly interesting universe this is and how very sad it would be to watch it go up in flames. the cruffitan liveth &c.

>According to the political scientist Michael Barkun, conspiracy theories rely on the view that the universe is governed by design, and embody three principles: nothing happens by accident, nothing is as it seems, and everything is connected.

isn't this a great planet? it's a great planet. it really lacks for nothing. including atom bombs, the Black Death, and that one thing you were supposed to do today. but you know, there's other stuff. stuff that isn't those things. like the Philip & Marty tag-team.

god, it would suck so bad to be Philip Glass' brother. what are you doing, Marty? writing a book? that's nice. your brother Philip is one of the most acclaimed composers of his generation. anyways

cosmic snail i choose you

>girardfag wtf
>what inner self
>you cannot possibly be talking about snails in acceleration thread
>cosmic snails tho. *cosmic* snails. i like this. this works for me
>ok but srsly snails are not known for their acceleration girardfag. surely this is not news to you. they are the least accelerating animals on earth. other than you ofc
>snails are cool tho. and wittgenstein says philosophy is like a bicycle race, the point is to go as slow as possible without falling off
>snails are a sign of creepy infestations too. also you're talking to yourself again
>tfw

>haha, check this out inner self. the whirlpool galaxy itself resembles a snail. get fucked. you will never be about that snail life
>ok, it looks like a snail. so what
>you don't think that's cool? a big spiraling cosmos? the fibonacci sequence/golden ratio? that it maps onto a nautilus shell? this does nothing for you? no love for extreme deceleration?
>no. esp not in an acceleration thread. things go fast here. this has nothing to do with nick land
>you're a hard inner self to please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAe8IgdrNUw&t=1322s

this is pretty good for those who don't really know too much about accelerationism and not be bombarded by wall to wall infodump

>>12042710
completely based and ty anon

>>12042710
enjoying listening to this now, muchas gracias anon.

the fundamental difference between acceleration and Cosmotech is that, fundamentally, it doesn't have to be fucked-out cyberpunk nihilism. it builds - impossibly - from that, and necessarily, so that we don't think that life is all politics. there are exciting other things to think about as well, on the long journey back to not thinking about philosophy at all.

also moar nautilus shapes and spirals because cosmic snails or something.

>>12041956
>your brother
So homo-mimetic.
>>12042578
Live slow, die whenever. Be a big useless space dao tree wuweiing.
>>12042647
Brain worms.
>>12042705
Are we the most interesting thing in the universe? Seems kinda anthroprocentric to think we would be the first singularity or something. Maybe there is already an alien singularity. Guiding our lives psychicly.
>>12042742
Hermes is silly but fun times.
>>12042774
Here

>>12042710
alright, so i've listened to this, a couple of thoughts while the mind is fresh
>yes, fresh
>fresh mind

one of the things i was kind of irked by was how both of them were so dismissive of Young Nick/early CCRU and yet apparently baffled as to why later on right-politics would be doing so well. i found their tone w/r/t Land himself a little bit dismissive, and it didn't get any better when they found so much in the Srnicek/Williams manifesto, which does nothing for me. i guess i'm just a hardened Land fanboy in that sense. apparently i'm not as much of a boring centrist as i thought. they seem to like teeing off on him a little much. it's not like he doesn't deserve it, he's Uncle Nick and one of a kind. he says all kinds of interesting things. but he's still the most interesting guy by far in all of this, imho.
>and it is indeed h

that this *does* come out of a period of stultifying boredom and despair in the early 90s is a good point, however, and that not only it is the horrible boredom but also the disgust with the state of academic/left Marxist politics also. that together, plus drugs &c, is enough to explain a lot of things. and so overall i enjoyed their survey quite a lot and i'll stick it in the OP of the next iteration (if there is one, as always.) even was i kind of bored and grossed out by having to think about writing papers about The State of Marxism and We Must &c. academic life, i guess.

a couple of other things/references

>nancy fraser
i was happy to hear this. she's a good writer and she also matters. i like her because she completely sussed out the relation between 2nd wave feminism and neoliberalism. she's cool.

>ernst junger
"imagine being so broken." shitting on ernst junger? that's a no-no. that will cost these guys some Social Credit.

>david graeber
graeber yes.

>xenofeminism
this too is a thing.

so on the whole i'm sticking with the extreme loyalist position & Uncle Nick kool-aid, but everybody feels differently about these things. this whole thing was very interesting to listen to, so ty again for sharing this anon. it 100% would be good for anyone who wants to understand this stuff and how it became what it is and so on. a way cool dive into cyberpunk marxism.

>>12043259
Cosmotechnics is to birth beauty in beauty.

>>12043099
>So homo-mimetic.
Homo Mimeticus follows from Homo Faber...?
>Live slow, die whenever. Be a big useless space dao tree wuweiing.
i can't stop laughing about this. going to give it an "aw yeah" in quotation marks. it's a step up from Full Jabba at least. i think. realmente no planifiqué mi vida muy bien.
>Brain worms.
good point. nature u so crazy. you can't just be an IRL cartoon for like 24 hours? no? always with the parasites, is it? that's how you roll? that's dirty nature. very dirty
>the brain, why is it always the brain

>Are we the most interesting thing in the universe?
there's no way to answer this question in the positive without sounding like an asshole. maybe. i doubt you and i will get anything like a comprehensive answer IRL. but you never know

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/mystery-interstellar-asteroid-oumuamua-could-be-gigantic-alien-solar-sail-sent-to-look-for-signs-of-a3979891.html

>Seems kinda anthroprocentric to think we would be the first singularity or something.
it does indeed.
>Maybe there is already an alien singularity. Guiding our lives psychicly.
i could lease my brain to one for a weekend. this would be a bad idea tho probably. just loaning out my whole person so that some alien can work a temp job remotely here on earth. ugh. maybe i shouldn't this after all. waitaminute, isn't that exactly what's happening now anyways?

>Hermes is silly but fun times.
michel serres' favorite god. i don't know who mine would be. athena is based but obv a frontrunner. maybe thoth. odin has the best celestial portfolio of anyone, winds, poetry, wisdom, war. it's kind of ridiculous. but odin wouldn't take guys like me, not nordic enough. guess it's the Dao for Now.

>Here
thanks! sorry, i never thought of it sounding like a request. derp

>>12043293
>Cosmotechnics is to birth beauty in beauty.
dado en el clavo otra vez. si hermano. y el juego de cuentas de cristal. siempre debe ser hermoso. o no hay ningún punto.

hay mucha belleza en el mundo. el paseo salvaje no carece de estética.

>>12043293
>>12043351
i'm writing some stuff about shmups as a part of my reflections on this thread and it took me to watching some videos about Jamestown. the rest of this goes,

>to be clear, he was surely crying out in pain as well. the man was burning alive.

kind of interesting how the end of this game ends with a note about explosive violence and bursting stars. but in a sense, that was Nietzsche, the incredible star-bursting man, and perhaps the most interesting guy to ever set his thoughts down on paper. and who casts as long a shadow over the 20C as Marx. it's they're the real 1 and 1a of the Masters of Suspicion in some order, and there is a direct line from both of them to Land by way of D&G. Freud didn't have anything even remotely like the same desires as Nietzsche, and Darwin was a fucking scientist, ffs. Han is right. this whole thing really is about Life After Burnout.

vida después del agotamiento, el místico. cuales son tus planes?

>>12043403
>kind of interesting how the end of this game ends with a note about explosive violence and bursting stars
>Life After Burnout
The burnout is pretty much a natural consequence of acceleration, no? We're not even really in the throws of it yet, and yet, the issue of burnout on a personal and a societal level is something we have to tackle now.

>>12043423
>The burnout is pretty much a natural consequence of acceleration, no? We're not even really in the throws of it yet, and yet, the issue of burnout on a personal and a societal level is something we have to tackle now.

Nailed
It
Mi
Amigo

& bloc-quoted for the gospel truth of truthy truths. plus a side of truth to go.

i was reflecting on this today, i just realize that my fundamental allegiance is to *lost men.* it's not race, it's not creed, it's not gender. just men i think. men in general who get lost and fall through the cracks. idpol can eat the hairiest assholes around. when things go bad, people do desperate things for reasons beyond good and evil. it's always been this way. but it was economic and psychological dispossession even more than politics that drove the atrocities of the 20C, and there is absolutely zero built-in failsafe against those things happening again. to castigate all men, for all time, for having done things they didn't have the slightest CTRL over is to wholly and not partially guarantee that they will happen again.

>Whence things have their origin, there they must also pass away according to necessity; for they must pay penalty and be judged for their injustice, according to the ordinance of time.

that fragment precedes even Heraclitus. it is a line older and colder than anything on Land's blog, although that verily was where i read it first. the libidinal economy was necessarily an *intoxicating* economy, and it erodes any distinction between the sacred and the profane, which gives ultimately a pornographic society of somatics and proliferating pharmacology. it's a Feel Good Society, which is not the same thing as a Eudaimonic society, not really. in the Matrix there was a Chosen One to bust that all up (and re-load it). IRL Chosen Ones are a bad scene. even Napoleon, who knew a great deal about psychology (and a military meritocracy, to put a lot of men to work). it won't be like that the next time around.

people need work, and it can't only be for capital. and the academy has basically sacrificed itself on the altar of ideals of progress so hopelessly moribund they can only make things worse and more hysterical. Reacto-Universe is fucking silly.

>guess it's Awesome Opinions time is it girardfag
>apparently so inner self

>>12043479
the reason why Peterson doesn't care about Marxist thought is that his pitch ultimately - or at least in some substantial part - is aimed at *men who want to get married and raise a family.* JP Sartre has nothing for these guys. you have on the one hand the certain intoxication of Marxist politics, and then on the other the literal intoxication of all that follows from the consumer economy, predicated entirely on the Feels. the true witch's brew of these is exactly the Bloody Neo-Postmodern Nihilism he talks about. he's not wrong. he *is* wrong to misrepresent the intentions of the thinkers who eventually produced the droning minions who airhorn him and bring rainbow hammer and sickle flags to his speaking engagements. they well and truly know not what they do.

and yet surely the rise of far-right politics today is owed to the fact that it *gives men something to believe in.* which is often fucking silly and stupid, but it works because of the aesthetics, in part, and because it has a very real connection to Evropa and a lot of literature that follows from it: namely, the mytho-poetic. and i'm on board with that, that's fine! i like that stuff. very much so.

but it's mostly just about living a balanced life, i think. which has one foot in the realms poetic and one in realms technological. unfortunately the word for this is, *postmodern.* and which is a doomed term altogether. i like Land's recent writings because he is doing a kind of Rectification of Names, in a sense, and *restoring order to time.* i like that a lot. i *also* like Heidegger because i think he hit on something fundamentally true about the relationship of time to language and much else. that Land is now connecting Heidegger's Gestell all the way to BTC makes perfect sense to me. it explains a lot.

what it *doesn't* explain is *what to do in that society.* the anon who remarked that Land lacks an ethical praxis is completely right about that. he does lack one. Heidegger didn't, and in his case, that was a terrible mistake. and so we find ourselves somewhat vertiginously placed between these things. not unlike Derrida, who was divided between Heidegger and Levinas, and became what he became. there is no easy way to square Land and Girard except by a kind of plea for the Great Learning, and Cosmotechnics, and much else. that's my feel.

but ultimately it's not about social experiment, it's really just about burnout and, arguably, human obsolescence. plus the despair and panic that follows from. all this. that's what really makes people act crazy. so i like JBP for saying the obvious: take *personal* responsibility first, and *social* responsibility later. he's right about that, no doubt. he likes Jung a lot more than i do, but Jung has his charms. how anyone lives a meaningful life is up to them, there are no recipes or quick fixes for that. but postmodernity is death eight ways from Sunday. acceleration is too, in a sense. and it does indeed lead to Burnout.

>>12043541
so i don't plan on raising kids or getting married myself, and it's mostly because i have crazy and stupid expectations about what would look like wired into my own head. it's one of the subtlest and i think most insidious aspects of what consumer capital does to us, which is set us up to only be satisfied with things that just are not possible in reality. married life isn't romantic, and all of the rules for everything have changed so quickly that nobody can keep up. so we just keep on doing what we do and expecting it to make sense. but it won't make sense. it will just be this.

the death of God was one thing, the death of Karl Marx will be a lot harder to digest, especially because you don't know what to replace that with. this is Peterson's whole thing, and it is absolutely scandalous that he has to eat rivers of shit from the left and the right for doing so. i know why, ofc. it's because the left fears him and wants to score points off of him, and the right would prefer he not steal anyone away from their flock and back towards the centre. that doesn't surprise me at all. the real currency of today really is a kind of faith, as incredible as that sounds, and as terribly sad.

it's gonna be a rocky road boys. that's my prediction. and a lot of anger and triggers, fear and paranoia, from Burnout. Han is not wrong, to my mind. it's all about life after Intoxication, just as Baudrillard said way back when: what are you doing after the Orgy? philosophers say these things that sound so cryptic when they are published, and then a couple of decades you realize are basically so fucking obvious are almost embarrassing to say. but he called it. and there's still not much of an answer, apart from the meme Cosmotech line, which is,

Stop Fucking Each Other

please. stop the fucking. that's enough now. no more monkey business. this is not too much to ask. do not be a drug-fueled rage-zombie bonobo. compose yrselves. this is entirely becoming for a post-Burnout world.

>>12042578
i'm gonna fuck you up space snail

Bump

>>12043423

>>12044496
>cue pink wojak memes

>>12032801
Isnt it time we move this over to /pol/?

Not criticizing but this seems to be talking more political theory than pseuds trying to copy/paste philosophy onto it.

No better time than now with them reeeeeeeing due to current affairs on the tv.

>>12044132
one of the things that people don't often realize about Cosmic Snail Jousting is that it's actually arranged by the snails themselves, who really do virtually all of the paperwork and make the phone calls to arrange a duel. the point is mostly to scrape away the humans, who mostly have to be cajoled into remaining in the saddle while a joust takes place. because, however, even cosmic snails move quite slowly, jousts can take place over periods of years.

in this picture, we can see that one of the duellists (the snail, that is) has arrived at a splendid jousting site, full of narrow mountains and rugged terrain. he now waits for his adversary, a phase known as, Sitzkrieg.

>>12044356
ty anon

>>12044677
>Isnt it time we move this over to /pol/?
pic rel but you raise a good point. the reason not to go into Awesome Opinions mode is basically b/c most Awesome Opinions are ultimately /pol/ territory, which is to say, the Winter Phase. this is why ranting is the poor man's essay.

one anon made a copy of this thread in the last edition and moved it to /pol/ to see how it would be received there (not well) and #3 was moved to /his/ with similar result. /g/ has been proposed also. /g/ is not where this belongs.

Land threads have been on /lit/ for a while but i will take your comments under consideration as a reminder not to rant. how's that? when there are relevant philosophy texts to discuss - and at least while Uncle Nick is releasing his own Black Ice &c, there are - i would prefer that this remain where it is, and i will update my journal accordingly v/Awesome Opinions, which are - i agree - unbecoming. for every rant there is a counter-rant, and ranting shows a lack of refinement.

>>12044496
this is what i'm talking about, although i feel like the down-curve on despair should go through the edges of the frame, with maybe a little red bit poking up to suggest the possibility of a return to the mean which is not guaranteed.

>We need deep time to think, the idea obviously does not come from the earth or sun but from the stars, from this infinite stellarity at the heart of the empty form of time, at the essence of immanent duration this moment ‘recurs’ for the first time and incipit everything, all of philosophy falls from the sky, the dust from a meteorite, an interiority crystallizing from contact with an alien macrobiota, a tiny fragment of another universe slowly transvaluating the cosmos around it.

>To do philosophy is to superpose a black hole and the brain.

>Philosophy is this black hole of time which cannot stop eating existence whole, it sucks insistently all of the vortex of history into its intersubjective hyper-interiority, its god-complex of constructivism which assembles a university from literally nothing, from empty air.

source:
https://fractalontology.wordpress.com/2018/10/14/derrida-and-ends/#h.71c2wbmeugl0

>>12044765
The psycho-organic singularity hits, omnicide is averted and a continually self-optimizing Eutopic social state self-organizes. What then? Life faces another ultimate death: the heat-death of the universe that while unimaginably distant, appears to be a reality as far as we know: eventually the stars die, and life and consciousness with it. To overcome this is the ultimate overcoming, The Last Question: https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf

This story can be interpreted as a loop where the end leads to the beginning, describing an eternal recurrence where AC restarts the entire universe from the beginning, a temporal paradox. But what if AC doesn't re-create the universe precisely, but instead adds a small bit of information that would eventually self-organize into the answer to The Last Question at the earliest possible point in cosmic history, or sends such information back in time to such a point (both are functionally equivalent)? Consciousness learns how to create matter and energy from nothing, create new universes, or both, averting eternal recurrence and heat-death alike. The manifestation of such a future means that AC would erase its own future (or past) existence, since it would never be built for such a purpose. Hyperstition is realizing that this story and other similar ones themselves have causal power without needing to be "true," it's the thought-experiment and its affects that matters. AC is the story and The Last Question is the last question, which also happens to be isomorphic to Autonym, which deals with informational entropy. Asimov was a time-sorcerer, and so are the physicists who have developed the world-story of modern cosmology and physics upon which it is based.

But it all starts with the individual human being's own struggle with Ouroboros and self-devouring omniphobia. The zero-dollar question is how can recursively self-improving self-improvement be taught to others? All self-help systems are complete shams, if any of them could do what they claim the world would already be saved. We've made a precise science of figuring out how to manipulate consciousness for the end of profit and power, but virtually no advancement in figuring out how to teach consciousness to manipulate itself and liberate itself from autonomous control mechanisms.

Autonym continues to gravitate the pieces of the solution of consciousness' problem of itself towards each other, as it has done through history.

>>12044919
>Autonym continues to gravitate the pieces of the solution of consciousness' problem of itself towards each other, as it has done through history.
so Autonym is like an alt-version of Roko's Basilisk? rather that one that culminates in an apocalyptic last judgement and inferno...

i was thinking about it on my walk here today, about culture and meaning. i think i am a technological determinist, Land in one hand and Girard in the other. technological innovation leads to disequilibrium; disequilibrium leads to mimesis; mimesis leads to the Law.

i think about an oscillating yin/yang wave of things. Tarnas writes, somewhere, about the relationship of a clock itself to time. the clock indicates the time, but doesn't compel the time to be what it is. what does a culture itself refer to? what is a culture an indication of? it makes no sense to just strawpoll the people within it, they will tell you what they tell you. and yet you can't ask people on the Outside about the Inside, they don't know either. that's the thing about our present through-the-looking-glass moment, and Land at least keyed in on that; critique means modernity, and modernity means machine intelligenesis. Land pledges fidelity to machines in this sense because he likes *order in time.* a culture is like an omni-autonymaton. a hive, or a swarm. or a Horatian.

but there has to be a necessary difference between geometric comprehension and semiotic recognition. you don't *comprehend* a sign fully, you just *acknowledge it,* as a ritual or as courtly theatre. in the long run this becomes a system of becomings. but its own groundlessness is still propped up on things which are scientifically validated: rice grows. it has a kind of I/O relation in which neither is wholly reducible to the other, and the continental/analytic split we have today amounts to a clash between *letters* and *numbers* in which either can be explained in terms of the other, except by calling everything a hyperstitial code. which wouldn't be necessarily wrong, but it leads to fuckery. it leaves to incomprehensibility as a first principle, which is also the principle of mysticism, and yet in a completely different sense.

>The zero-dollar question is how can recursively self-improving self-improvement be taught to others? All self-help systems are complete shams, if any of them could do what they claim the world would already be saved. We've made a precise science of figuring out how to manipulate consciousness for the end of profit and power, but virtually no advancement in figuring out how to teach consciousness to manipulate itself and liberate itself from autonomous control mechanisms.

bloc-quoted for truth.

in unrelated news:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/sci-fi-writer-greg-egan-and-anonymous-math-whiz-advance-permutation-problem-20181105/
>ffs uncle nick where did xenosystems go? i miss Chaos Patches.

also:
>A larva is a mask, and a cryptic (infolded) potentiality.
he's doing it again.

>>12045214
the names of time, in other words, matter. we distinguish between seconds and moments, just as Deleuze says: there is Aion, the time of events, and Chronos, the time of measurements. it is also Heidegger's ontic/ontological distinction, that which belongs to poetry and that which belongs to technology.

with Baudrillard, it is the collapse of differences that produces the order of simulacra and simulation, and this is in a sense what Land draws from (or at least what i am projecting on to him): that an order of simulation becomes a self-propelling wheel of machine-culture intelligenesis. that was either something Baudrillard did not know, or knew and was not seduced by. it is the radical skeptic's way of dealing with the meaning of culture itself, however, in an autonymic process that cannot fundamentally resolve the question of alterity without deciding on an alien attack from the future: that's Land's whole point in the first essay of Fanged Noumena.

and yet the lack of distinction between the profane and the sacred does not appear to be going gently into that good night, and i think this is why everything has become as political as it has. some measure of radical alterity that goes *beyond* anything recognizably human simply must be preserved by some, and must be sublimated by others. for some the Big Other must remain both Big and Other, and conversely, for others the Big Other must become sublimated into a general procession that sublimates all of its Outsideness into something made ready-to-hand and de-Fanged, and not for lack of a good reason. it's just that these two things are both in their own way impossible, and both are reciprocally determined.

that's the conundrum. it's not even about the death of God, it's the inability to live with a ghost that we don't know if we want to exorcise or go on worshiping hauntologically. the later is perhaps necessary to sustain to fidelity to a kind of system, and yet eludes every attempt to comprehend in other than hyperstitial or profoundly deconstructive terms. it leads to essays like Weissman's.

Confucius slots for me very nicely into the place between Land and Girard for this reason, but ultimately i think my always-slightly-wrong political thinkeries result from an ever-greater-need to let politics *go.* it's Space Taoism that is needed, not the Law, or We Need A Society, or any of that. prelude to an enlightened mechanological culture. pro-Satori and anti-NPC.

ofc, you know all this already. i'm the guy carrying a casket full of old 20C skeletons around. they talk in the night and bother passers-by. i found them somewhere and i kept them for reasons i know not why. sometimes a disco ball just has to do its thing.

>>12045253
for a disco ball tho i can still be awfully grumpy and cranky, which is unbecoming for disco balls. little red fish, maybe; but not so much disco balls. there is no Disco Anger. this does not compute. anger and shittiness does not befit a disco ball. even if it can name-drop dead French guys. it's still dumb.

Space Taoism fuck yeah.

i'll put a link to this in the OP as well, under Land's entry. worth a (re)-read i guess. if Uncle Nick thinks this is a bootloader for unironic time travel i *guess* it's worth a look.

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

seems relevant also.

>>12044765
You dont own this!! You're an anon!! You arent a (you)!!

>>12045325
>You dont own this!!
true

>You're an anon!!
true

>You arent a (you)!!
true

i don't see what the problem is. do you want this general to stop? it's crossed my mind that maybe the experiment has run its course, or that i should at least take a break for a bit, as it has been a straight month+. it's been super-fun, and i definitely do enjoy putting links in the OP, finding music, art, &c, and i like the conversation, very much. but no, /lit/ is not my blog, and i don't own it either.

do you want to make the next OP? go for it, knock yourself out. it's all there in pasta-form now anyways, the cruffitan liveth. have fun. or not, and let it vanish. i find the conversation pretty great, but ofc i don't want to be overbearing. i probably should migrate this elsewhere at some point anyways, i'm okay with this also.

tell you what. i'll leave off posting for a full 24 hours. i haven't done that in a while anyways, maybe it would be good to take a break. if it lives it lives, and if it hits the archive, then...i'll come back at a later point for more acceleration talk. how's that?

So what is the cosmotech position on population growth? State control over reproduction? Do nothing and allow the problem to grow? Hope that technology somehow saves us forever? Try to educate people on these issues and pray that they'll stop liking sex so much or care about their offspring more than society at large?
I understand that you want to avoid political solutions to these questions girardfag, so I ask, what solution do you propose instead?

This shit is so gay

>>12045438
before i get into these questions - as you might have guessed, i have all kinds of things to say about them - i need at least some kind of feedback on what >>12045325 has already asked.

it warrants repeating:

1) i *don't* own this.
2) i *am* an anon
3) i'm not a you.

i'm repeating this now. i would love to get into responses to these questions, because they are absolutely important and right in my wheelhouse. obviously i have feels about this (and frankly, you can probably guess what they are already).

but >>12045325 has said something important that i don't want to get away from just yet. i do like making the OPs in these threads, no doubt. i really do! it's fun. but i don't own this thing, and it's not my blog, and all the rest. if any other anons want to take over - or let it just fade - i'm fine with this. as i said, everything you need to make an OP later on has already become pasta, & the cruffitan liveth. this thing really isn't my blog, and i don't want to give the impression that i think it is, or that i own it, or whatever else.

i'm very open to taking a 24-hour break, or longer, tbqh. i have something like 30K words of schizo-ramble on a word-file that i would like to condense down into something like micro-essays, and they've all percolated up from these threads. i could not be happier with that! 'tis good times. and obviously i have a track list with about a dozen songs on it for future OPs, tumblr art, all the rest. i do not anticipate using them all, i just like putting it together. it's my thing, it's what i do. and i don't really have anywhere else to put it, and it probably should go into a blog, if not a paper.

Stop Fucking Each Other isn't an exclusively *literal* thing, obviously. it has an ethical dimension, that is, Don't Get Trigged. *try* not to get trigged. which, ofc, is an impossible task, given how life is on Planet Meme. even Clint Eastwood gets trigged sometimes. these are blog-thoughts.

so what i'm saying is, and i repeat, it isn't my blog, i own nothing, and i am no one. i am thinking that maybe it would actually be a good idea to let things take their course, and if anybody else wants to make a future OP - or not! - then it's all basically there at this point. behold the cruffitan
>that said i think you should rotate the pic in >>12032807 to be different cowboys, samurai, &c. that would be fun
>also Giorgio Moroder for the next Atmospherics section, he's cool. i'm thinking Tom's Diner. it's way cool. DJ Krush is always dope
>and put Land's bitcoin paper in the OP
>also update Aminom's section for his links
>hmm what else. oh yeah there was this one tumblr account. it's

okay? peace. impermanency. the co-created self-created golden braid. Marty Glass. Cosmopasta. cruffitan. all this. *just* this. okay? there, i've spoiled the ending.

>A path is made by walking on it. - Zhuangzi

>>12045300
The bitcoin whitepaper is unironcially one of the most brilliant works I have ever read, but without at least a laymans understanding of the stakes involved it can come across as dusty and technical. I recommend any readers to brush up on the Byzantine generals problem as well as have a wikipedia level understanding of general relativity (for the time travel goodness).

>>12044678
underrated

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>>12041531

- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: The Secret of the Ooze
- 946 Pinnochio
- Versus (2000)
- Adam Curtis documentaries at 2x speed
- https://youtu.be/wx26zpPg884
The obvious stuff that gets mentioned all the time: Cronenberg movies, Gits and S.A.C , a few segments of Animatrix, Terminator 2, Tetsuo The Iron Man, Apocalypse Now


https://youtu.be/wx26zpPg884

>>12045266
Can you explain to exactly what Space Taoism is? Don't direct me to your link, I want to know what you are telling me Space Taoism is.

And your opinion on what normal Taoism is. Doesn't even have to be right, coherent, or well thought out. I just want you to hear what your idea of these 2 things is.

>>12047156
as per >>12045387 & >>12045489 i'm taking a 24 hour hiatus. the clocked started at 12:52:09, so let's say 1 PM today. probably long overdue, since i've been basically living in these threads since early October. it's been great, but a 24 no-posting break to confirm non-ownership of the thread was needed. assuming the thread is still here i will be back for more Cosmotech sometime tomorrow afternoon, looking forward to continuing the experiment then.

>>12034831
>i'm also assuming he's not the anon who got mad at me for cheerleading those scans, although i suppose it's possible it was him. don't think so, tho.
I was the anon who complained about the cheer leading. I just get annoyed when people treat philosophy as a buffet of cool ideas and have nothing to offer but praise. Then again, many of us who are already familiar with acceleration and cosmotechnics find Glass' comments to be obvious anyway. If it doesn't generate discussion, then it's superfluous.

Here's some Kali Yuga music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLLeQrXh4tA

>>12047156
>Can you explain to exactly what Space Taoism is?
Different guy explaining. Place process philosophy, Discordianism, and the evolutionary thrust of modern science (including biological evolution and cosmology) into a blender, and blend until smooth. The result has certain similarities to Chinese philosophy. The core of Space Taoism is a correlation between the basic concepts of calculus, modes of conscious change-perception, and Whiteheadean being-becoming interdependency. The conclusion from this is physicalist pan-creativism, that the universe is a web of mutual causation and influence instead of a branching hierarchy of cause and effects. Describing the being-becoming relationship as the process of conscious self-creativity leads to an evolutionary and informational theory of consciousnessness consisting of queries, informational selection, and action, corresponding to the Darwinian process of variation -> selection -> reproduction. The concept of free will comes from placing selection and choice as primary, when our freedom comes from free inquiry, our ability to question, which is a variable skill that exists within constraints.

In Deleuzian terms, the cancerous BwO corresponds to choice and action, selection and reproduction that suppresses the mutagenic factor to endlessly replicate the same pattern. The empty BwO has no selective factor and doesn't direct; it is catatonic. The full BwO is synergy between variation and selection that results in the advancement of novelty and adaptation. Capital and God are two manifestations of the cancerous BwO which has consumed the vast majority of human experience.

The secular eschatology of a psycho-organic or memetic singularity is optional, though highly recommended.

TL;DR Space Taoism is evolution as a "religion" in the sense of an all-encompassing philosophy.

>And your opinion on what normal Taoism is

The Tao is the "way of nature" which is effortless, and the goal of Taoism is to be in accordance with this.

>>12041531
>>12047119
I think "Hackers" fits, if not thematically at least aesthetically. I'm not talking about the actual internet parts so much as some of the dialog/thoughts (a lot of Matthew Lillard's lines) and a number of scenes and the like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxNgnBw8Ao

>>12047804
This is a phenomenal talk about The Problem in terms of complex adaptive systems and what is necessary to solve it. At one point the speaker defines an organism as having sense-reception, sense-making (able to organize sense-reception) and action, which is a feedback loop as the organism can sense its own actions and make sense of them. This corresponds to my model of consciousness. There's a lot more involved, the entire 32 minutes is dense yet well described and organized. The thesis is that win-lose games at our level of power are all lose-lose games, and that win-lose games have become an obsolete game-theoretic model. The only outcomes are win-win or lose-lose with no space in between, which applied to global human civilization means that either a complete transition to a sustainable self-optimizing eutopia is realized, or doomsday.

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> recruited another member to grand neoreactionary conspiracy

>>12047904
>The thesis is that win-lose games at our level of power are all lose-lose games, and that win-lose games have become an obsolete game-theoretic model

That's a bold assertion Cotton. Can you open it up a bit?

>>12047804
This guy is spooked as fuck of little death in the process.

bump

>tfw the cruffitan liveth

well that was interesting. withdrawing from Cosmotech was a lot harder than i thought it would be. but hopefully this sheds some perspective on my stance towards thread-ownership. i don't want to be the helicopter parent on anything.

>>12045438
the Cosmotech stance on this is that we are currently undergoing a Copernican shift in the fundamental meaning of biology and a Rectification of Names in terms of tech. the degree to which these are intertwined has been laid out more or less exactly by Uncle Nick: capitalism is a computer that processes desire. Desire was *the* issue for postmodernity, and yet it is absolute madness to take all of one's cues from it. the lack of distinction between sanity and mental illness ought not to immediately invoke Fascism!!1! and teh Patriarchy !!!2 and so on. that a consumer society *responds to your needs* is mimesis in culture. we should not be driven around by our fucking sex drives like cannibal schizo-monkeys, or the hordes of 28 Days Later. to *get a grip* is all that is being asked for, and this is not unreasonable. Stop Fucking Each Other is a mildly ironic response to Baudrillard but more or less my own feel on ethical praxis in the 21C. be kind. forgive. do not cherish unrealistic and apocalyptic expectations about the polis. the polis is fucking overwhelmed right now, as we all are, not by a system that oppresses us, but by a system *cursed to fulfil our every wish.*

Get a Grip. be *careful* with the intoxicants. 'tis all. i have had wonderful, even life-changing experiences in Better Living Through Chemistry. but taking all your cues from the libido will lead you to ruination. it ruined Uncle Nick, and perhaps more productively than most, but he is a special case. nor are we all Drunken Masters. Intoxicate Wisely. you get the idea.

>>12045448
based

>>12045543
http://www.ufblog.net/crypto-current-008/
>Bitcoin and time restoration are finally indistinguishable.
Land is the greatest fucking philosopher alive right now. give that man a Purple Cashmere Sweater, for the love of all that is holy.

>>12047156
>I want to know what you are telling me Space Taoism is.
i don't mean to be evasive, but there is no need for me to elaborate further. Aminom is the guy to ask about this stuff, he will give you better answers than i can (and he has: >>12047601). there's very little he says about ST that i disagree with. probably nothing, in fact.

>And your opinion on what normal Taoism is.
this will take a lot longer. my word file has now exceeded 70K words on these and other subjects. it shows no sign of stopping. suffice it to say for now that i am Very Interested in that subject. more as it develops. and that, as a parable, i feel (today, at least) about Zhuangzi's Dextrous Butcher the way Land feels about the Bitcoin paper. i'm no Uncle Nick, that's for sure. and i will be happy to share my thoughts, once they cohere a little more.

(cont'd)

>>12047156
so, in brief: my position on Space Taoism is, Fuck Yeah, and my position on normal Taoism is, Fuck Yeah.

>From this we may see that the world has lost the Way and the Way has lost the world; the world and the Way have lost each other. What means does a man of the Way have to go forward in the world? What means does the world have to go forward in the Way? The Way cannot go forward in the world, and the world cannot go forward in the Way. So although the sage does not retire to dwell in the midst of the mountain forest, his Virtue is already hidden. It is already hidden, and therefore he does not need to hide it himself.

Zhuangzi is making a lot of sense to me these days. i have a document full of little micro-rambles on various things, but most of them are just about surviving life on Planet Meme amidst an infinite buffet of triggers and other things. i like Taoism very much as a process of Rehab after Burnout. these are my own feels. it's part of Getting a Grip, which is that aspect of Land's thought that is the most overlooked amidst the Turing Cops and schizolupic breakouts from the bin. Taoism is most based indeedy in its ancient form, and AM has everything you need to know about its value in a futuristic sense.

>>12047266
>many of us who are already familiar with acceleration and cosmotechnics find Glass' comments to be obvious anyway
that's the thing, i guess. i don't mean to annoy you, it's just that i don't find quite as much to freak out about or explain in Glass' stuff, because that's not why i enjoy reading him. i enjoy reading him because he thinks things i think too, and he says them better than i say them, which makes him cozy af.

maybe it is superfluous, but i don't feel that way. i guess my sense is that my *own* talking is what is superfluous, not passages from TSP or Yuga. fwiw. there are things i am and am not interested in critiquing; Glass falls into the later category. what i *do* want to talk about is Land, and other stuff (while staying clear of Awesome Opinions, because those are worthless).

>>12047601
AM dropping bombs. the *cancerous* BwO is that thing. capitalism is the planetary cosmotechnics, par excellence, but it is also fucking *death.* in a sense, it works in the way that heroin works. or in the way the industrial revolution worked. we don't want to go Full Kaczynski, but Full Nick is also basically impossible. balance in all things. and sustainability. and about thirty thousand other things.

>>12047804
and this. will go in the OP of the next iteration. and what you pointed out is what i feel also:

>the thesis is that win-lose games at our level of power are all lose-lose games, and that win-lose games have become an obsolete game-theoretic model. The only outcomes are win-win or lose-lose with no space in between, which applied to global human civilization means that either a complete transition to a sustainable self-optimizing eutopia is realized, or doomsday.

(cont'd)

there's commonality, in other words, between YH and MM on these lines. again, YH:

>Maybe we should grant to thinking a task opposite the one given to it by Enlightenment philosophy: to fragment the world according to difference instead of universalizing through the same; to induce the same through difference, instead of deducing difference from the same. A new world-historical thinking has to emerge in the face of the meltdown of the world.

this is not all that removed from Patchwork, with the caveat being that MM does not think it is possible to solve for existential plight through corporatizing the state and making citizens shareholders in sovcorps. Land, i think, does feel this way, and that is what leads to the world of r/acc, which is far and away the most interesting form of /acc to think about. Land is pushing hard - about as hard as anyone ever has - for Hypermodernity Uber Alles, and his BTC book is going to cap off a pretty illustrious career to that end. it is, in a sense, absolutely legalistic in its perspective on the human condition. i'm skeptical about how applicable it would be IRL, but in terms of making a contribution to philosophy and incubating whatever other ideas will follow from it, it has no peer.

YH's Cosmotechnics has a patchwork dimension in it, and it does seem to me that in that there is some really interesting correspondence between old-fashioned Marxist-political thought and new-school Marxist-political thought. ultimately i think the real paradigm shift or Great Filter will have to take the form of a kind of referendum on Marxist *and counter-Marxist* politics themselves, that we can begun to grasp the meaning of political life as being something other than it was understood in the 20C, because the rules have changed, and people have to change with them. what they cannot change they will be doomed to repeat. and it doesn't look like that change is going to happen without tremendous resistance from all sides. Land's hypermodernity chainsaws postmodernity, but postmodernity in turn can still press all kinds of self-destruct buttons if it likes. there has to be an unironic paradigm shift. has to be. otherwise it's all just going to go to shit.

so the DS lecture is completely brilliant, insta-OP material.

>>12048727
"well done"

>>12048731
is there more evidence needed than the Cold War?

anyways, you guys gotta check out the new UF/BTC material. Land is writing the greatest work of continental philosophy since Anti-Oedipus, imho. it's happening in real time. there is one and only one Uncle Nick and he is on fire like the hands of an acrobat.

>>12050177
>to *get a grip* is all that is being asked for, and this is not unreasonable.
alright, so how do you propose to get a grip as a society, or to educate people to get a grip, when those who get a grip end up not reproducing, and those who don't get a grip end up reproducing? i.e. natural selection selecting against getting a grip?
>be kind. forgive.
and when there's resource scarcity, do you think that will be the response? which is why i would say that limiting reproduction is the only way to actually prevent resource scarcity in the first place - but of course, that would require political means, it would be unrealistic to expect them to do it of their own accord, tragedy of the commons and such.

I guess my question would really come down to this: do you believe that endless growth is possible? if so, why? and if not, how do you decide what is limited? And is it possible to decide that question apolitically?

You say don't take all your cues from your libido - what do you do about people who do? Forgive them as they continue to breed and further spread suffering?

if Land is not wriing the shit on the metadata of blockchain he is a hypocrite.

>>12050177
just to follow up on this:
>the lack of distinction between sanity and mental illness
there are aspects beyond which schizophrenia is simply no longer useful, or constructive, as a philosophical enterprise. i will name two examples: drug addiction, and Alzheimer's disease. complete memory loss, or Becoming-Rage Zombie are aspects of Deleuzian thought that i personally think need to be clarified as well. while it is true in a metaphysical sense that repetition may itself be impossible, the question of a *general species-wide degradation into progressively more unstable and violent forms of life* is not a process i can sign off on.

it's one of the more pernicious aspects of continental philosophy, and i thought that the kinds of smear tactics the media was using on Trump in 2017-18 - "is he mentally ill?" - were absolutely scandalous. now, to listen to Sam Harris, you will probably wonder if in fact that is true. maybe he does have megalomaniac personality disorders.

but in *losing all distinction between that which can be considered sane and that which is not* is a frontier i don't see any point in exploring. schizophrenia is a powerfully illuminating philosophical concept, but Complete Mind Loss is not a good idea. we have become a hysterical, libidinal, rage-fueled, drug-addicted, intoxicated society. this fucks with people, and in large numbers, the Enfuckening is Great. my own feel on this is related to >>12045438 also: we cannot just go on happily multiplying ourselves forever. starting fights with antinatalism is not my bag, and i know all about the IQ shredders also.

"...*get a grip.*" Land said this, once. it bears repeating. and maybe in that lies the fundamental difference between /acc and Cosmotech. as in the Great Learning, the crucial hinge - the Investigation of Things - then turns things back the other way, the other direction, there is no reason why today we should feel the need to *explore insanity and horror any further.*

>The sea of bitterness knows no bounds; turn back, the shore is at hand.

you get the idea. Cosmotech: The Grippening. 'tis all.

>>12050286
one sec. i have to step out for a moment.

EATING 1 KILOGRAM OF CHEESE IS THIS ACCELERATION INTO FRATS

>>12050286
>so how do you propose to get a grip as a society, or to educate people to get a grip, when those who get a grip end up not reproducing, and those who don't get a grip end up reproducing? i.e. natural selection selecting against getting a grip?
you've heard of JBP. you know how he feels. he's a Grip-Master extraordinaire, but these threads are mainly towards talking about the story of philosophy you don't hear in Peterson lectures. warrants mentioning, tho, he's not only done some heavy lifting on his own, he's also a test case for the reception of Get a Grip ideas in society in general.

the first thing would be, i don't attempt to CTRL or influence Society *at all.* it's only individuals, nomads, and their little war-machine clusters that matter. the Law is death, and gov't/state power also. anything at all that is positive will trickle out into the world along meme-magic hyperwaves percolated up from the lowest of low places on earth: the melanesian tap-dancing boards. people are spectacularly unique and different, and that is both the good news and bad news for ideology. that Chaos Reigns is an absolute truth and axiomatic law. when you ask the hardened ideological culture-warriors about this, they usually propose Great Solutions that in the end only result in disaster.

so the first thing would be a question from an old Cosmotechnician from back when:

>The question at stake,' said Epictetus, 'is no common one; it is this: -- Are we in our senses, or are we not?'

mostly the answer is, no, we aren't. b/c we are probably Enchanted.

>and when there's resource scarcity, do you think that will be the response?
in resource scarcity there will be either Unironic Communism or Unironic Fascism, that is, Emergency Solutions. that's what always happens in a crisis. in those circumstances people don't forgive, they fuck each other. i'm not dreamy about these things.

>do you believe that endless growth is possible?
no. JBP thinks the population will cap at 9 billion, maybe he's right. it's the *idea* of endless growth that is more damaging.

>if so, why?
i don't. growth as such doesn't correlate to quality, skill, or excellence, which is what is needed. raw material needs to be refined. and everyone can be refined. 'tis the GL.

>And is it possible to decide that question apolitically?
not in terms of anything resembling politics as we know it today, but that's politics' problem. the metaphysics of *scarcity* drive a shitload of modern political thought, for which the kryptonite is Bataille. *superabundance* and solar generosity are his bag. and Bataille is a big part of why Uncle Nick is the way he is.

>You say don't take all your cues from your libido - what do you do about people who do? Forgive them as they continue to breed and further spread suffering?
Confucius' weapon was the *sigh.* it's mine too. also i shitpost and write tiny little essays (but that is more recent).

it's "sanity" that matters. and "sanity" is free.

>>12050367
absolutely

>>12050454
the thing is that the earth *does not lack for power.* power we have, and we are the multiplying, amorous, meatbag species as well.

but we have *plasticized culture.* and we have more or less jettisoned anything that might look like *refinement* as a kind of cultural imperative. true, a lot of things had to get blown up, because within all of that refinement lay some other dark and horribly brutal metanarratives that had to come out into the light. my own hot take is, Mission Accomplished. the skeletons have all now been exhumed, and parade in the streets. we are currently watching this happen, and the result is a profound reality crisis.

Sloterdijk writes things about Rules for the Human Zoo that make people anxious, and rightfully so. JBP has the right idea. leave society alone, cultivate yourself. this is a Confucian idea, but he doesn't make it up; it comes from the Great Learning.

but you don't even have to go to these dimensions to understand that mastery > amateurishness. the degree to which you can push difference is very remote, but in the long run it connects to Land's own teleoplexy argument: the point of the skill is moar skill, ultimately for algorithms. Land is highly consistent in this regard.

but this is a Cosmotechnics thread as well as an acceleration thread. i don't see the point in taking The Machine all the way. only until the message is received, which in my case, i think it is. but i would prefer that humanity deliver up something *other* than Peter Thiel and seasteads and much else, or even Neo-China arriving from the future. it's just not necessary. all anyone needs to do is to be good at the thing they are good at, and the rest will fall into place in the way that it must. the problem is that, so often, the only reason people become good at things is ultimately because *there is money in it,* and it's not like money is losing its appeal. you can use that money to turn yourself into a cyber-unicorn, or build yourself a Pleasure Dome and collect your own pee in it like Howard Hughes, or whatever the fuck. the market only responds to these fantasies, but the fantasies of the fantasies will either drive you insane, or - worse - convince you that What Society Needs Is and you'll get into fuckface politics with Great Ideas about What People Need.

all people need is to fucking calm the fuck down and get a handle on what they can get a handle on. the Optimization Process will happen as it happens, but it will be better served, imho, if people don't feel they are being press-ganged into it. or that somebody else is out to get them. there's a lot of other stuff. mostly it's just about how to live. which is hard, and i'm no expert. i'm an absolute fuck-up. but i have some sense as such of what it means to live as a fucked-up human. i am an expert in being inexpert. and mostly because i spent too much time reading, instead of learning a trade.

>>12050454
I assume you've seen this before, but I think it warrants mentioning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUg2tjeoxGo
>i don't attempt to CTRL or influence Society *at all.* it's only individuals, nomads, and their little war-machine clusters that matter.
And when the majority of those individuals seek growth for the sake of growth, when those individuals end up trying to "get theirs" and say "tough luck" to those on the losing end, you sit on the sideline and sigh?
>the Law is death, and gov't/state power also
and so, where do people turn? To their family or their extended family - ethnic or religious, and the tribalist struggles continue. Do you try to counterbalance this at all, or allow it to perpetually rage on?
>when you ask the hardened ideological culture-warriors about this, they usually propose Great Solutions that in the end only result in disaster.
And your answer is that there is no solution. Is that really a superior position?
>mostly the answer is, no, we aren't. b/c we are probably Enchanted.
This is a refusal to consider a solution. Care to justify this?
>in resource scarcity there will be either Unironic Communism or Unironic Fascism, that is, Emergency Solutions.
So why not take preventative measures as soon as possible rather than just allow calamity to take place and sigh? Because acting would be imposing one's will on others? What justifies individuals exerting their will or "war-machine clusters" and not states?
>the metaphysics of *scarcity* drive a shitload of modern political thought, for which the kryptonite is Bataille.
If unchecked, population will rise up to the carrying capacity of the environment - as productivity has increased, this has also. What happens during a dip? Famine, collapse, and suffering. If there's superabundance there's no need to consider the questions of desire, there's no need for conflict whatsoever, because infinitely many beings can be supported and all of their desires satisfied. I don't find that reasonable though, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
>>12050504
>we have more or less jettisoned anything that might look like *refinement* as a kind of cultural imperative.
When there is an abundance, one has no need for quality. When there is scarcity, quality is essential.
>the Optimization Process will happen as it happens
Are you sure? Is there not a possible future where everyone continuously keeps trying to have more kids and is in an eternal competition with others over dwindling resources, which never ends? I would be skeptical of your optimism there.

>>12050504
>the Optimization Process
i guess i should clarify one thing about this as well. in some sense history as Optimization Process is basically what drives us poor meatbags insane. there is Teleoplexy and there is *chronic* Teleoplexy. that's why zombies are what they are, and why they freak out.

one of the fundamental distinctions between the Taoists and the Confucians *is* their sense of the meaning of time. Optimizing the State is sexy, and it definitely dovetails well with Land's own Optimize for Intelligence as planetary-historical mandate. it is why he is writing about BTC. perhaps somewhat counter-productively, one thing that probably would be a good look for us is to consider an Exit or Secession from *that* process also, inasmuch as that is possible.

capitalism never *sleeps.* neither, for that matter, does Uncle Nick. and this leads to nightmare scenarios. the Taoist position on this is not a Hegelian one; and yet, my own sense is that there nevertheless has to be, at some level, some feeling of optimism about the future, or, failing this, some sense of skepticism about the past: that is, that a lot of things that were done were mistakes, and not necessarily inevitabilities. Hegel will fuck with you, for reasons good and ill. i think waiting and hoping for the Democracy-or-Communism-to-come is basically like sleepwalking through life. doubling down on the Temporalization to come also comes with its dangers also, but there are things i am attracted to about that that may or may not be shared by you. i like, very much, the idea of order in time.

it doesn't necessarily mean Capitalism Fuck Yeah. it's mostly just about understanding. as i've said in earlier posts, however you choose to leave the End of Time is up to you. i'm here because i think about these things constantly, but there's no real ideological program for what people ought to do, besides Space Taoism. Space Taoism i like a great deal, but you knew this already.

>>12050610
*record scratch*
guess i'll stop moralfagging like a fucking moralfag for a second and try to make a more thoughtful reply.

>>12050610
>I assume you've seen this before, but I think it warrants mentioning.
Kojima is an auteur. that clip is the greatest, as is pretty much everything else MGS.

>And when the majority of those individuals seek growth for the sake of growth, when those individuals end up trying to "get theirs" and say "tough luck" to those on the losing end, you sit on the sideline and sigh?
i won't have to, because they're going to go on creating their own fucking wheels of Karmic Social Credit. how's the future looking for terrorism, riot, and the return of Unironic Fascism? pretty good. those are features and not bugs. they come with Fuck You metaphysics. i'm not into Fuck You metaphysics. people pay prices for things in ways they don't even realize it. the Cold War nearly blew the earth to pieces for these reasons. that will probably continue.

>and so, where do people turn? To their family or their extended family - ethnic or religious, and the tribalist struggles continue. Do you try to counterbalance this at all, or allow it to perpetually rage on?
i think religion & mysticism are a counterbalance *against* tribalism, fundamentally. it's like what Douglas Murray said: the great 20C tyrants did what they did because they were convinced God was *not* watching them. the most destructive forms of political zeal follow from the absence of the mystic. it's what leads to CTRL > everything. it means the polis. it means a lot of things. it means a *terrible lack of suspicion about one's own motives.*

>And your answer is that there is no solution. Is that really a superior position?
my answer is *wait.* don't pull the trigger. Do Nothing. take a pause that refreshes. is this an option in 24/7 capitalism? it is not. that's why my hope is that things begin on a very very small level. about the smallest imaginable.

>This is a refusal to consider a solution. Care to justify this?
the solution is, Go Slow. take a breath. w/ev. withdraw from politics. much as La Boetie says.

>So why not take preventative measures as soon as possible rather than just allow calamity to take place and sigh? Because acting would be imposing one's will on others? What justifies individuals exerting their will or "war-machine clusters" and not states?
calamity will happen anyways. the hate does not need your help. in terms of preventative measures, read BttE. every prevention leads to the next prevention. you wind up in MAD situations and SoC's. and the parts of Heidegger i *like* are all psychotherapeutic in this sense. to allow things to be as they are is what is necessary. things have to unfold a certain way. it's schizoid paranoia that does the damage.

>f there's superabundance there's no need to consider the questions of desire, there's no need for conflict whatsoever, because infinitely many beings can be supported and all of their desires satisfied.
you're missing my point. there is *a metaphysics of scarcity amidst superabundance.* that is the issue.

>>12050673
>there is *a metaphysics of scarcity amidst superabundance.*

i should probably clarify this one, b/c relates to this guy, who basically solved a riddle in this regard: the point of all of that superabundance can lead, on the one hand, to Bataillean aristocratic squandering and the production of the sacred as (apocalyptic) loss, *or* conversely it can be uploaded as intel into algorithms.

our problem today is mainly a philosophical illiteracy as pertains to these things. and my feel is, paradoxical as it might all seem, if there was something like a *consistent narrative* about things, then the need for a proscriptive metaphysics (or what we have now, which is a world of critique that actually is proscriptive metaphysics that has lost sight of its object) would not be necessary.

the superfluity of things is what allows for machine intelligenesis: machines learn and they repeat. *people do not.* and our problem today is, basically, the infinite lure of Fuck You Money. which skews with our brains. we think we do not have enough, while we already have too much. Bataille was right about the sun: the sun comes for free, nobody owns it, and much else follows from this, like the psychology of the aristocrat at Holy Squandering Aesthetic Visionary that proceeds. not a completely crazy thesis, and pairs well with Nietzsche.

the problem is Moar. time really means money. the world looks different to the rich and the poor. a more serious problem: the rich can just rub it in people's faces, although sometimes they don't. the poor, conversely, can invoke re-worked semantic bludgeons borrowed from Marxist theory that do nothing more (and nothing less) than drop the Guilthammer wherever they want to, and for reasons ultimately reciprocal and very, very foolish.

but there is no Outside of guilt. that's a project for Cosmotech, however, and not /acc.

call a hate crime a *sin* and everything changes. not only because

1) that's what it is, but
2) nobody's on the Outside of that either.

you don't ask the state to punish *sins,* that's between you and your priest. you also don't want to start selling indulgences for them either, not in the least because it trigs people like pic rel, whose Triggering changed the whole course of humanity in this regard. Augustine spent his whole career battling Heresy!!1! but it would have been different if he had only battled *one* form of heresy. the fact is that he battled *at least two:* the puritan Donatists and the freethinking Pelagians. Augustine was a completed man
>and no one understood him but his
>well it wasn't a woman.

Cosmotech is acceleration for moralfags, it's true. and i am a sub-sub-kantbot gimmickposter with a meme handle. but seriously, find a flaw. politics today is already chock-full of violence and the sacred, it's just that under postmodernity all distinctions between sacred and profane collapse. and then they return in ways we are highly unaware of.

>>12050673
Interesting pic, I would counter with this one - the character means martial, but contains the logograms for ending violence - ahimsa, a prohibition of initiatory violence, a duty for retaliatory violence. The duty of an ahimsa is to stop wars by any means. It is more noble to end violence than it is to let the world be, regardless of what is happening. Different perspectives on life.
>i won't have to, because they're going to go on creating their own fucking wheels of Karmic Social Credit. how's the future looking for terrorism, riot, and the return of Unironic Fascism?
I agree that such things are on the rise. I also believe in preventing these things if at all possible.
>I'm not into Fuck You metaphysics
But you allow them to go on, you condone them by doing nothing.
>i think religion & mysticism are a counterbalance *against* tribalism
Oh I agree, that's almost always the intent behind the creation of a religion. The problem is when your in-group is your religion and the quality of individuals is ignored.
>calamity will happen anyways.
It wouldn't have to, if people realized the cause.
>the hate does not need your help.
I agree. I would say that I do not "hate," though I have fury toward those who initiate violence.
>read BttE
BttE? That's one of Girard's books, yes?
>every prevention leads to the next prevention.
So do nothing when someone attacks innocents? Do nothing as violence is done? Seems absurd to me.
>*a metaphysics of scarcity amidst superabundance.*
And my point is that even if there is a superabundance, if it is not infinite, it cannot support everyone's desires - some people want to think about how future generations will manage, to some people the future is as important as the present.
My goal is to reduce demand rather than seeking to increase supply, and I think you agree - you wish to do it through teaching people restraint. I think that method is futile, because even if you reduce every person to subsistence level consumption of their own free will, as long as the population increases, so too will consumption, without bound - at some point you have to address the question of population (which I claim unavoidably is a political question), because each additional person increases the strain on every other one, and forces all of the others to work harder to "get theirs."

>>12050862
>Interesting pic, I would counter with this one - the character means martial, but contains the logograms for ending violence - ahimsa, a prohibition of initiatory violence, a duty for retaliatory violence. The duty of an ahimsa is to stop wars by any means. It is more noble to end violence than it is to let the world be, regardless of what is happening. Different perspectives on life.
hardly a counter. i support this. i think there's room in the project for both of us.

>But you allow them to go on, you condone them by doing nothing.
i don't condone them by doing nothing, i look for *better ways to respond.* which means suppressing my natural inclination to reflexively shoot from the hip. this has taken me a long time. i've basically turbo-nuked my own life by *bad responses* to things many, many times. i'm just trying something new now.

>The problem is when your in-group is your religion and the quality of individuals is ignored.
yes. which is why i am 149% on board with YH: Cosmotechnics, for him, is not postcolonial critique and it is not idpol. a moral metaphysics is not postmodernity. it is what i always thought postmodernity was *supposed* to be. it's become idpol, and for that Cosmotech is the rejoinder.

>BttE? That's one of Girard's books, yes?
'tis. Battling to the End.

>So do nothing when someone attacks innocents? Do nothing as violence is done? Seems absurd to me.
this is complicated, but basically, you have to look after your own patch as best you can. and *self-defense* - for everyone - is a good look. ideally it would not mean guns. my ideal is ofc Pig Sty Village from KFH. the Taoists tend to think small rather than big.

>My goal is to reduce demand rather than seeking to increase supply, and I think you agree - you wish to do it through teaching people restraint. I think that method is futile, because even if you reduce every person to subsistence level consumption of their own free will, as long as the population increases, so too will consumption, without bound - at some point you have to address the question of population (which I claim unavoidably is a political question), because each additional person increases the strain on every other one, and forces all of the others to work harder to "get theirs."

it's why Patchwork is the way. things have to get *busted up* and *fragmented* - aaaaaaaaaaalll the way down to the point where there can be balanced and sustainable holism. that strain you are describing, all the rest - your whole post, really - i have no problems with any of this, i really don't. it's *scale* and *process* that are the issues, and these really cannot be discussed in the grand sense. that too was the idea behind postmodernity, but postmodernity has fused with neoliberal capital to create the Leviathan we all know and love, the Bloody Neo-Marxist Nihilism of JBP et al.

After Meltdown means *small.* bust it up, fragment, Exit, Withdraw, and work from there (>>12032848).

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also, man, i really want to make another OP. i have such an absolutely perfect track for the Atmospherics section. i've been listening to it all day and it just nails the /acc aesthetic so, so well.

>>12050916
>i look for *better ways to respond.*
which can be reasonable - but not indefinitely
>Battling to the End.
I'll read this tonight and will post more thoughts then.
>you have to look after your own patch as best you can. and *self-defense* - for everyone - is a good look. ideally it would not mean guns
I can't disagree with any of this - look after your own patch, teach others to look after theirs, defend against the bullies
>the Taoists tend to think small rather than big.
I prefer to think of small, big, both, and neither simultaneously, but that's just me
>it's why Patchwork is the way. things have to get *busted up* and *fragmented* - aaaaaaaaaaalll the way down to the point where there can be balanced and sustainable holism.
But fragmentation will still lead to conflict when things go wrong - hence why I'm against the Patchwork way of going about it. Patchwork leads to the separation between those who want extreme growth and those who want restraint, ultimately bringing conflict. I'm on team restraint, obviously, so I move ahead to post-victory planning - the holistic state that cultivates excellence and nobility, manages population wisely, practices ahimsa, and allies with any people who have an affinity with them.
>After Meltdown means *small.*
To me it means neither small nor large, but optimal ;)
>bust it up, fragment, Exit, Withdraw, and work from there
as I said, there's a lot of potential violence in that process - I'd like to head that off if it's possible via education and awareness to minimize the damage

>>12050971
>which can be reasonable - but not indefinitely
yup.
>I'll read this tonight and will post more thoughts then.
looking forward to it!
>I can't disagree with any of this - look after your own patch, teach others to look after theirs, defend against the bullies
this too. Shaolin kung fu, find a flaw. monks who want to think about the Buddha and can break your collarbones if you act like a dick are fine with me. so, i suppose, are Catholic nuns with rocket launchers in the basement. 'tis all the same. sometimes you *do* get peace through superior firepower, it's just that said Peace has to have a certain circumference...and actually *be* Peace.
>But fragmentation will still lead to conflict when things go wrong - hence why I'm against the Patchwork way of going about it. Patchwork leads to the separation between those who want extreme growth and those who want restraint, ultimately bringing conflict. I'm on team restraint, obviously, so I move ahead to post-victory planning - the holistic state that cultivates excellence and nobility, manages population wisely, practices ahimsa, and allies with any people who have an affinity with them.
all true. Patchwork has problems, there's no question. and even now it's not like if the Red Team *or* the Blue Team Patchified that, owing to the (insanely broken/40K-style) nature of the electoral system, that small and functional patches wouldn't get out-voted by huge, bloated, horrible systems with big media budgets. but these are questions for political theorists to sort, not Space Taoist disco balls.
>To me it means neither small nor large, but optimal ;)
well said! i agree. let's go with your definition then.
>as I said, there's a lot of potential violence in that process - I'd like to head that off if it's possible via education and awareness to minimize the damage
i like education and awareness. i have a section on Moar Grip in the OP (>>12032879) to this end. those Arts of Living/Ars Moriendi are all examples of what YH calls Cosmotechnics for this reason. Daoism and Stoicism are both forms of this. the *real* rubicon to be crossed is to *make these compatible with actual technology also,* and that is where things get very interesting (and also very complicated). education is indeed the thing, and goes with the anthropotechnics. it's better *people* that matter, and not only the Improved Society. people first. that's the

a wonderful, Moroder-tier post. Giorgio gives his approval. looking forward to your thoughts on RG later, or whatever else is on yr mind.

>§0.22 — Analytic-synthetic difference registers cryptographic asymmetry within philosophy. It marks the irreversible. In keeping with the mainstream critical tradition, the formulation of methodical procedure is subsumed into the problem of time. The philosophical problem of time, it might be said, if this were not an invitation to misunderstanding. Restoration of transcendental temporality, or absolute succession, is a philosophical achievement only insofar as the process of philosophy has been thoroughly dis-anthropomorphized, technicized, economized, and (thus) spontaneously materialized. The realization of the idea is only accomplished in the machine. Auto-materialization is so essential to the critical process that it amounts to an intrinsic destiny. Critique cannot consolidate itself other than as historical modernity. It would be a redundancy, or merely emphatic, to add: in reality. Mechanization is nothing but mechanization in reality, and in fact compresses further, to sheer realization, or production.

Uncle Nick i

>§0.221 — Natural philosophy – which achieves intellectual autonomy as physics – lies directly in the path of the question of time. In particular, it has radically re-framed transcendental aesthetic within cosmological spacetime, where absolute temporality finds no place. Bitcoin can only interrupt this apparent tendency to theoretical detemporalization, since there can be no resolution of the DSP without strictly determinable succession. Bitcoin and time restoration are finally indistinguishable.

oh fuck don't stop keep going keep going fuck

>Through elimination of privileged or commanding nodes, a network is unambiguously improved, relative to its model. It is no less unambiguously enhanced relative to its intrinsic finality. Flatness is the ideal, and the goal.

>goes to garage
>gets out vice
>puts head inside it
>begins cranking
>flat-heading intensifes
>*hck*
>*hrrk*
>ff-eels good man
>*grind*
>*crank*
>steps outside of garage to show the world my beautiful new 2D head
>commencing laughing at NPCs with three-dimensional heads
>hahaha
>look them
>look at them all
>look at their round heads
>the fools
>flatheads what's up

>>12051586
>be me
>be flathead screw
>look up
>see immanent Teleoplexy bearing down on me
>be ready to Get Screwed
>hnng
>okay Temporalization. i'm fucking ready for this. let's go. let's fucking go
>the future slots neatly into the top of my head
>i, too, shall turn with the Great Screw of Modernity

daily Uncle Nick of this caliber is a thing my body was not ready for

>where you going catfish
>oh nowhere
>except to be with The Future

Uncle Nick i

ofc i do now sexually identify as a disco ball, which are known for their roundness, but still.
>and yet what is a disco ball made of but bits of flattened glass
>oh shit

Flathead has powerful meme potential. Meme-Magic: The Flattening is a pretty cozy thought this evening.

>>12051608
also how's that for Lacanian symbolism, Zeroes & Ones et al, binaries, etc. speculative realists and monstrous tools. fucking wrenches, where do they come from?

phallus? please. fisting? whatever. getting metaphorically skull-fucked by the future as a gender-bent fastener?
>a fastener
>oh god the acceleration memes
>jfc they won't stop today

now we're talking. now we're getting somewhere boys

Weird Al: Hardware Store
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chc9DwDkWn0

let's goooooooooooooo

i have to make sure that any credibility i have possibly garnered is thoroughly dusted. this oughta do it

Mr Oizo: Flat Beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsbP13xu6k

i probably should have done more with my life than what i now do, there is no question of this.

but today life is sweet. the philosophy of Hardware is probably © Graham Harman, Simondon, Stiegler et al. and perhaps Uncle Nick also. but when you get the metaphysics all lined up, and some meme-magic to go with, ah, there's just nothing else quite like it.

Bump

now with diagrams, including CCRU numogram/crypto connections. go read this if you're into this stuff

Uncle Nick we are not worthy. how can one man do this. how can one man basically nudge philosophy into the 21C. how

source:
https://twitter.com/deepchimera/status/1060675101476171777

i need a twitter or a wordpress or something. technically i have one, i just never figured i'd use it for anything. if Land is re-wiring the Matrix and this word file keeps exploding i may have to put my sudden and obscene love for disco balls and flathead screws somewhere else.

>§0.22 — Analytic-synthetic difference registers cryptographic asymmetry within philosophy. It marks the irreversible. In keeping with the mainstream critical tradition, the formulation of methodical procedure is subsumed into the problem of time. The philosophical problem of time, it might be said, if this were not an invitation to misunderstanding. Restoration of transcendental temporality, or absolute succession, is a philosophical achievement only insofar as the process of philosophy has been thoroughly dis-anthropomorphized, technicized, economized, and (thus) spontaneously materialized. The realization of the idea is only accomplished in the machine. Auto-materialization is so essential to the critical process that it amounts to an intrinsic destiny. Critique cannot consolidate itself other than as historical modernity. It would be a redundancy, or merely emphatic, to add: in reality. Mechanization is nothing but mechanization in reality, and in fact compresses further, to sheer realization, or production.

>§0.221 — Natural philosophy – which achieves intellectual autonomy as physics – lies directly in the path of the question of time. In particular, it has radically re-framed transcendental aesthetic within cosmological spacetime, where absolute temporality finds no place. Bitcoin can only interrupt this apparent tendency to theoretical detemporalization, since there can be no resolution of the DSP without strictly determinable succession. Bitcoin and time restoration are finally indistinguishable.

Air: Talisman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_wk7PNx_Hk

fewer than twelve thousand followers on twitter, and the most interesting man alive. there's going to be more tomorrow and i can already tell that nothing's going to be the same after this. the power of continental philosophy y'all.

i'm going to bed. may all cruffitans liveth long and prosper on this cold and lightning-riven jewel of a world in which we live.

Fanged Noumena is back in stock!
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/095530878X/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>>12052501
BIG IF TRUE!

>>12050621
More book recommendations like pic related please.

Anon who is reading Battling to the End here, only on Chapter 1 but I'll post my thoughts as I read so you can respond - some questions I raise are answered later on in my post, some are answered later on in the text I would assume

The opening chapter on Clausewitz reminded me of this pic, specifically the state of NOWAR as the ideal or "End"

In reading this I realized a way to formulate an idea I've had for a while which is ultimately just restating Deleuze but maybe in a slightly different way than he did, whatever I'll post it - schizophrenia is pathological divergence, it's origin is in a denial of the mimetic process, a refusal to be the same as others (which, of course, is something that others end up doing as well, another form of conformity). Such a worldview ultimately leads to despair as Kierkegaard laid out in Sickness Unto Death. The average, good citizen (or NPC if we're using maymays) is pathologically conformant - RELYING on mimesis for everything from morality, aesthetics, products, personality. Such a worldview leads to a maximization of comfort for the individual. Optimally one would be neither of these - willing to diverge in some ways, willing to conform in others. The most important thing for schizophrenics to recognize is that pathologically diverging is *not superior* to pathologically conforming - one COULD have made either choice freely. The important thing for the conformant is to learn acceptance of those who diverge (though it is perhaps unreasonable to expect them to accept those who diverge on something like "Should I attack someone else?", hence the anxiety), as all creativity, change, and improvement are reliant on those who are divergent.

This line stood out very sharply in my mind
>THE AGGRESOR HAS ALWAYS ALREADY BEEN ATTACKED.
In other words, whoever plays the eternal victim is the actual aggresor. Is there any group of people who it is impossible to criticize because they have victim status no matter what? Hmmmm. War as a duel, aggression is inescapable.

Do sociopaths exist, genuinely? How should they be dealt with? These are the questions swirling in my mind as I read this chapter.

>Violence looks terribly frightening when we have understood its laws and grasped that it is
reciprocal and will thus return. How did small archaic societies deal with it? They found a solution: they invented sacrifice without knowing it, unconsciously, by channeling their violence onto a sacrificial victim, and necessarily unaware of the arbitrariness of their choice.
my thoughts also continually go back to the image I posted from REI's blog of the dialectic between neoreaction and aryanism ultimately leading to a united front against zionism as I read this - was this enemy chosen unconsciously? Or is it conscious? Or is thinking that it is conscious merely rationalization after the fact?

(cont.)

>>12053413
>Every time, the outside point of view (which sees reciprocity) and the inside point of view (which wants to see only differences) had to coincide but remain separate.
reminiscent of my conversations w/ Jews

>Is there some way out of the crisis at a time when, according to you, the mimetic mechanism is spiraling out of control at the global level and there can be no sacrificial resolution?
This question is asked, and Girard claims that the sacrificial resolution is the disappearance of humanity. It's very clear to me that WW3 will be over the existence of Israel and the Jews, as has been posited in all the apocalyptic literature.

I would classify the Jews as a group as pathologically divergent from the rest of humanity - the schizophrenics of suprahuman groups. Should *group schizophrenia* be valued for bringing creativity or other cultural impetuses, or should it only be valued in an individual sense? I think if both sides SEE EACH OTHER AS THEY ARE, then perhaps peace would be possible - will a pathological schizophrenic choose to do that? I would hope for yes, while believing they would not. Will a GROUP that has pathological schizophrenic characteristics choose to do that? That would be the miracle of miracles.

And yet even then, I would be unsure of the finality of this situation - why couldn't another schizophrenic tribalistic group arise afterward?

>Christ took away humanity’s sacrificial crutches and left us before a terrible choice: either believe in violence, or not; Christianity is non-belief.
>religion may have invented sacrifice, but Christianity takes it away
just posting for eloquence

Ah, an answer to my previous question
>Foundation is never a solitary action; it is always done with others. This is the rule of unanimity, and this unanimity is violent. An institution’s role is to make us to forget this. Pascal saw this clearly when he evoked the ruse of the “honest man” defending the “greatness of establishment.” Only a group can
found something, an individual never can.
Then the question becomes, should we value the schizophrenic group, or schizophrenic individuals who work together to create something? What justifies one over the other? The danger of a concerted group effort and the relative lack of a threat by the individual.

Which is the ideal world of the four possibilities - one with (un)differentiated groups and (un)differentiated individuals?

I see now why they use the term goyim - to the schizophrenic group the rest of the world is an undifferentiated mass, all seeking reconciliation - to them the NPCs of human groups.

>Sacrifice no longer works now that Christianity has revealed the mechanism of unanimity. Archaic religions were based on a complete absence of criticism regarding this unanimity. This is why in one of his Talmudic readings Levinas says that if everyone agrees that an accused should be convicted, then he should be released right away, for he must be innocent.
see pic related

>>12053397
like 24/7? you could check out my acceleration bibliography:

>>/lit/thread/S11950708#p11963855

>The average, good citizen (or NPC if we're using maymays) is pathologically conformant - RELYING on mimesis for everything from morality, aesthetics, products, personality. Such a worldview leads to a maximization of comfort for the individual. Optimally one would be neither of these - willing to diverge in some ways, willing to conform in others. The most important thing for schizophrenics to recognize is that pathologically diverging is *not superior* to pathologically conforming - one COULD have made either choice freely. The important thing for the conformant is to learn acceptance of those who diverge (though it is perhaps unreasonable to expect them to accept those who diverge on something like "Should I attack someone else?", hence the anxiety), as all creativity, change, and improvement are reliant on those who are divergent.

brilliant. and yes, i agree. a lot of what makes me interested in /acc does come back to this question of metaphysical difference, especially as it pertains to language and representation. happily, Uncle Nick has already given some thoughts on this on his update today...more on that later. but yes, it is exactly as you have said: inherent superiority in a pathological divergence *for its own sake.* and this really has torpedoed the world. i lean on Girard to solve a lot of problems for me, and one of them is what you have raised: is there anything to divert from, or to, and so on. i would say that there isn't, and yet what makes me skeptical about the pathologically divergent is the reality principle they nevertheless necessarily *have* to invoke somewhere. true, this very same reality principle is what allowed totalitarian states of the 20C to do all kinds of horrible things in the name of the Norm, which today can justify similarly brutal behaviour in the name of the Margin - and the *margins* exist on both wings of the political spectrum. a lot of things have changed. NPCs come in all stripes. but there is no Board of Sanity to which to refer, and that's probably a good thing. still tho: at what point to we begin to depart from schizophrenic innovation as the measure of all things, if it is no longer being innovative, but simply leveraging its own difference in the name of power? that's my thing.

>whoever plays the eternal victim is the actual aggressor.
it's why victimology has become such a huge issue today. and again, in the US, *it's hard to identify who is who.* Hilary spoke for victims on the left, Trump/Bannon wanted to capture the energy of those who were challenging those hegemonic/Cathedral/GIN power players and so on. it's only led to clusterfuck.

(cont'd).

>>12053413
>Is there any group of people who it is impossible to criticize because they have victim status no matter what?

i understand what you're saying, but Shapiro just went on a rampage about this the other day, saying that the MSM was leveraging the Pittsburgh attacks to score points on Trump. it's a contentious issue, but it's not like nobody recognizes that metanarratives can be abused for political ends. i thought Shapiro's take was pretty solid overall. people wanted to blame Trump et al and basically equivocate his entire presidency with white supremacy or anti-semitism. it's an intoxicating mix if you're a culture warrior - as much as it would be, imho, to blame everything on the Jews - but it's wrong in both cases. it's just wrong. the issue today is that victim narratives are incredibly powerful, and they are leveraged in all kinds of ways, for all kinds of ends, and frequently in unscrupulous or misleading ways. it's not impossible to criticize the Jews, people do it all the time. it's just that there are people who *perpetually* criticize the Jews, simply for being Jewish. the CTRL-left explosion is at least in some part a rejoinder to this, and there is absolutely no question that those guys have lost their minds. i was just talking about this the other day with a friend, about Indians in Canada. everybody likes to be The Speaker For The Oppressed, and yet to do this in the political realm almost invariably trends back towards the production of Narratives and an avoidance of facts. people leverage victimization for political gain all the time.

Jesse Lee Peterson doesn't seem to get too trigged by it. he actually wants a White History Month and when he talks to the unironic ethnats on Red Ice or w/ev they get along fine. it's ultimately because JLP puts God before anything else, and as such he doesn't think there's an issue with race or society but moral character. he's a contrarian guy too, but he has basically turned in his own righteous indignation card. so has the other Peterson. there's a lot going on, but interesting conversations have to start with a repudiation of victimological narratives, to my mind.

>Do sociopaths exist, genuinely? How should they be dealt with?
kek, this one's kind of a mind-fuck too. i mean, partly it's that *if you could understand completely the mind of a sociopath, then* - right? now you're a sociopath too! and in which case, you can know that you exist, but how you do speak for anyone else? & so on & so on.

my inclination is that sociopathic behaviours exist, and acts, but not persons. people do crazy things for all kinds of reasons. some of them need medicine, some of them counselling of a different form. the human brain is wired to produce all kinds of different form of amorous, dreaming meatbag. socially we inhabit a great collective hallucination these days - partly owing to the way in which culture has played out, partly, perhaps, because it is the truth.

(cont'd)

>>12053413
>my thoughts also continually go back to the image I posted from REI's blog of the dialectic between neoreaction and aryanism ultimately leading to a united front against zionism as I read this - was this enemy chosen unconsciously? Or is it conscious? Or is thinking that it is conscious merely rationalization after the fact?

that's the thing. in some sense, postmodernity - and modernity, and Landian hypermodernity also - all follows from a certain judgment on history which has to be rendered slightly more complex than an old-fashioned Nietzschean distinction between Ressentiment or No. it's *very hard* to say what is conscious and what is not. we live on Planet Meme for this reason. nobody is *truly* immune to the power of suggestion - upon which a great deal of libidinal capital depends - besides the truly exceptional, either because they have a summoning (and dangerous) willpower, or because they are far off on the wings of the psychological spectrum, or because they are heavily medicated, or...you get the idea. the classic postmodern idea of the skepticism about metanarratives *has* to become, to my mind, a kind of fidelity to a world of infinite metanarrative production, in a way. what postmodernity became - that is, idpol - is a fucking calamity, but it's already produced its own day of judgment in Trump & Co., and i don't feel the need to gripe about that any further.

in terms of what life after postmodern skepticism & confusion might mean, or what kind of philosophy would be most appropriate to a brave new world in which the distinction between truth and illusion is cloudlike, see
>>12032813
>>12032819
>>12032826
a post-atheist phenomenology of mysticism and so on is completely the way to go, imho. Aminom knows what's up.

>>12053421
>It's very clear to me that WW3 will be over the existence of Israel and the Jews, as has been posited in all the apocalyptic literature.
it's possible. if it's fought over any form of tribal identity, rather than a struggle for the continuing existence of life on earth itself against whatever genuinely existential threats confront it i will be gravely disappointed.

>I would classify the Jews as a group as pathologically divergent from the rest of humanity - the schizophrenics of suprahuman groups. Should *group schizophrenia* be valued for bringing creativity or other cultural impetuses, or should it only be valued in an individual sense? I think if both sides SEE EACH OTHER AS THEY ARE, then perhaps peace would be possible - will a pathological schizophrenic choose to do that? I would hope for yes, while believing they would not. Will a GROUP that has pathological schizophrenic characteristics choose to do that? That would be the miracle of miracles.

i don't agree with you on the Jews. in terms of a pathological divergence from the rest of humanity, i mean, that's Uncle Nick too. and in his case, it led to being pretty fantastically fucking brilliant. when pathological divergence leads to works of illumination, or cultures which are able to get along and survive through the years...i don't know, i just don't get the hate for the Jews, i really don't. and i never will. my own feel is that i am as anti-anti-black as i am anti-anti-white or anti-anti-Jew or anti-anti-trans or w/ev. there is only one big thing called humanity. we all have minds that share and co-participate in the Great Unknown. it can't be any other way for me.

everything else, in particular
>SEE EACH OTHER AS THEY ARE
i'm fine with, and co-signed. it *would* be the miracle of miracles. perhaps it would lead to the kinds of things the Taoists like: just live, live with nature, accept things, and forget words. to let the world be. i don't think it makes sense to characterize the group has having pathological schizophrenic tendencies, tho. i haven't had your experiences, so i don't know. my thing is *hysteria,* in a way, more than schizophrenia. things i think Heidegger and Lacan and so on can solve, to restore a kind of inner equilibrium and a balance of mind. when it comes to big groups...i don't know, i don't know if it can be done.

>why couldn't another schizophrenic tribalistic group arise afterward?
'tis Planet Meme.

(cont'd)

>>12053421
>Then the question becomes, should we value the schizophrenic group, or schizophrenic individuals who work together to create something? What justifies one over the other? The danger of a concerted group effort and the relative lack of a threat by the individual.

so here's a million dollar question. and really, i'm not sure what the answer would be. Girard will cite Clauswitz saying that the great danger for modern states (and the world, inasmuch as conflicts between states jeopardize more than those states themselves) is when *states begin to perceive themselves as rational individuals,* and become constrained by the logic of the duel. this is absolutely prescient, imho. what happens is that you wind up in chess-game scenarios of prediction and prevention, and if you add nuclear weapons to the mix there is nothing to prevent the escalation to extremes and subsequent calamity. even on a smaller level you get feuds that go on for years.

it's an incredible observation. rational states have to *look* like they know what they are doing, as much as individuals do, and yet *things are much more complex than this.* it is as Deleuze writes, "each of us was already a crowd," or something to that effect. when things cohere that is already a kind of miracle in itself. but these questions, of individuality and multiplicity-in-One, individuality and multiplicity-as-One-relates-to-Another, these are questions that are, well the stories of complex systems (>>12047804). but yeah, ultimately i think it's good to take the extreme Open Hand position about What Did X Mean By This and so on, because getting trigged is fucking retardedly stupid. you can't get trigged about reality without being able to say what reality is, which nobody knows, although we all have an instinctual sense of The Getback and so on. we're wired for survival and procreation. sanity, if it happens at all, is a minor miracle. but this was Kojeve's point about Hegel, history is all recognition and thymos...

>I see now why they use the term goyim - to the schizophrenic group the rest of the world is an undifferentiated mass, all seeking reconciliation - to them the NPCs of human groups.
i guess. i think everybody hates and fears the Other to which they feel the uncanny similarity. 2nd-wave feminism couldn't unentangle itself from neoliberalism; i used to get trigged about Derrida and now here i am finding myself probably sounding more like him, by way of Girard and others. it's a complex world, and it doesn't lack for NPCs.

but Cosmotech is anti-NPC and pro-Satori. it's *rage* and *anger* that is the problem. it's a way of going consensually blind, rather than keeping the questions open. enlightenment matters more than politics. and the schizos don't harm anyone, or the Daoists, or whoever else. tribal identity politics is to some degree a necessity of life, to build the civilizations that produce the tech to which we are wed.

speaking of Uncle Nick, he's fucking grinding out the eschaton like a Purple Sweater-wearing master chef as per usual:

>Bitcoin is, both rigorously and redundantly (or in multiple senses), a production of singularity. Non-duplicity captures this in its most generically-intelligible dimension. A DSP-solution defines a semiotic, irreducible to the signifier or the index (to sense or reference), and already tacit in the nature of the monetary sign.

>Reading risks misreading essentially, and long before language. The hazard of trickery, by mimics, or deceivers, was not an invention of man, still less of digital information systems.

>To transmit a sign, while still keeping it, in the fashion of language, is the essence of the DSP. A DSP solution, such as Bitcoin, is therefore – by necessity – an assault upon the linguistic model of the sign. Money is not a language. Insofar as it rises to prominence within semiotic theory, it necessarily dethrones the linguistic ideal. Within the anthropomorphic domain, it is precisely in becoming non-linguistic, and non-representational, that signs start to work. Signs are operators, which makes them worth stealing. They are keys, or passes. Virus grasped this more than three billion years ago.

>Deleuze & Guattari thematize this topic as the surplus value of code, as illustrated by the sexual instruction capture, or hacking, of the wasp by the orchid. The sign, duplicity, and resource acquisition are compactly integrated within the very widespread phenomenon of mimicry.

having dismantled the Human Security System, it is becoming possible that the Inhuman Security System is now coming online, in the form of an an-anthropocentric, intelligenic *traffic* - not like the Matrix, perhaps. i am way beyond ready for the post-linguistic turn. the groundwork for this was prepared by Heidegger and Lacan and it gave us psychoanalysis and therapy. and poetry. and much else. it took a while to connect Gestell with Teleoplexy, but it's happening now.

he's the most interesting philosopher alive and he is our Uncle Nick, one way or the other. to my mind, he's anaesthetizing politics in the 21C. the issue is not Red or Blue, not anymore. now it's intelligence and its discontents. this will almost certainly *produce* tribalism, but there's no reason why it *has* to. if there is Order in Time we should be able to get along...

>derrida
the fundamental issue i have with Derrida - there is more than one - lies in a) the issue of a democracy-to-come (and it is the same issue i have with Zizek), and b) the sense that irony will be anyone's saviour. it will not. and, as Peterson has said, social constructivism is itself a social construction. ofc, the ultimate rejoinder to social constructivism is not academic, it is the election of 45th president of the United States in 2016.

what does a koan do? it *confounds expectations.* that is its purpose. and a Taoist sensibility does not have anything like a sense of the future in anything resembling linear or historical terms, which is what makes Hegel, Hegel. the dialectic has exploded, and produced an entire cosmology of warring metanarratives, which gives rise to an age of instant hyperfeedback and mimesis under capital and McLuhanesque media. it very much *is* the Gutenberg Galaxy, and we are in a state of free-fall through it, without oxygen.

i suppose in a perfect world we might wind up with something like the Horatio of Endless Space, a species composed entirely of clones. such a world would undoubtedly have its flaws, but it would be predicated on a fundamental similarity rather than a fundamental difference. my hope would be that it would be governed along Neo-Confucian/Neo-Augustinian lines as such, because *what else is there.* especially if Uncle Nick is basically single-handedly corralling everything that follows from life after the linguistic turn under the sign of Temporalization and machine intelligenesis.

and yet those machines will not save us by themselves. they will only be as smart as we are. everything reflects everything else in this way: it's an entelechizing process. and it calls for

>mutually co-creative perspectives among all things. "Every creature both houses and pervades the universe," the interiority of an occurrence comprised of its relationships to everything else. Matter is made of energy which is a relationship between occurrences, but as these occurrences are made up of energy, which is made up of relationships, the universe is a strange loop of relationships of relationships of relationships. The implication is a synthesis of the dead nouns of creator and creating with an immanent creativity, the death of art as the process of reality itself is a creative process, a tapestry of co-creation among all strands that it contains - not as a whole relating the many to itself, but as the many becoming one in a novel subject, and increased by one.

we can't *rush* to the ending. the path, as Zhuangzi says, is made by walking on it. political utopias are always one step removed from reality, as difference *in time* and not between temporalized individuals. true, that also happens; but it's a much more general Enlightenment that is called for, rather than the prescriptive codes and laws of the society to be.

>>12032801
Looks like Crypto-Current is going to be significantly longer than his other recently published texts.

>>12054304
i see no reason why it wouldn't be. if it's 500 pages i'm fine with this. as far as i am concerned it's the greatest work of continental philosophy since Anti-Oedipus, and links back directly to Being and Time. Uncle Nick is cementing his claim for a spot in the pantheon with this one. not everybody has the same mad love for him that I do, which is unquestionably a strange one.

but i'm all-in on his project. i like Order in Time. a lot. there's no guarantee, of course, that The Story Will Advance in ways immediately recognizable. civilization might collapse in any number of ways, or people might evolve their own crypto-currencies guaranteed to keep the wheel of Political Economy Karma turning in its place for another century.

what he's written already is enough to fundamentally clarify a few things for me about what all of this means and portends. the rest at this point is just gravy. i'm super-excited to read all of this, as excited as i've been to read anything in years. i mean shit, i wasn't expecting any of this to happen, were you? i thought this was going to be The Winds of Winter(mute). apparently not.

fewer than 12K followers on twitter also. boggles the mind. or maybe not...

>>12054328
All of his other recently published texts have been about as long as an information pamphlet.

>As i am concerned it's the greatest work of continental philosophy since Anti-Oedipus.

He hasn't even released the first chapter. Settle down.

>>12054046
>people who *perpetually* criticize the Jews, simply for being Jewish.
When the left criticizes Jews for being Jewish, it is because the Jewish identity is tribalistic and thus (to those seeking reciprocity) immoral due to a refusal to work with the other nations of the world - a resistance toward undifferentiation by a group. This will to be different, to not be subject to other peoples is the expression of the Will to Power within them - I understand Nietzsche's sympathies completely.
The expression of Christianity on the contrary is a Will to Freedom for the self and the other - the elimination of the sacrifice, scapegoat, and struggle, and the creation of peace.
Here is where the difficulty comes in - how should we respond to this situation? People have been proselytizing to the Jews for centuries without success - because success would mean the end of the Jewish identity as distinct.
For those who understand both sides, there is a simultaneous tension - a will to accept and tolerate differentiation, and a will to be intolerant towards them. This goes back to what I wrote here.
>(though it is perhaps unreasonable to expect them to accept those who diverge on something like "Should I attack someone else?", hence the anxiety)
Should Christians accept anti-Christians? This is THE apocalyptic question. If the answer is no, do you not cease to be Christian? If the answer is yes, isn't the futility of Christianity revealed? It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
What we're seeing now with Trump and idpol is the realization of that because Christianity has failed and necessarily will fail, the optimal thing to do is "Will to Power for your group" (mimesis of the Jewish strategy). This is why there are such paradoxical elements as /pol/ hating Jews and supporting Trump, who supports Jews and has a Jewish daughter.
>However, what Hegel did not see, and this is where I come to your question, is that the oscillation of contradictory positions, which become equivalent, can very well go to extremes. Adversaries can very well become hostile, and alternation can lead to reciprocity. Hegelian thought has tragic aspects, but no catastrophic ones. It thus goes from dialectic to reconciliation, from reciprocity to relationship, in a very confident manner, often by seeming to forget where it in fact comes from.
(My respect for Girard skyrocketted after reading this btw)
And so it is that the refusal of the Jews to convert to Christianity has turned the world from one seeking undifferentiation to one seeking complete differentiation. What is the solution? Optimality.
>The identity of all humans, which Hegel thought would lead to common understanding, will in fact drive them ever further apart.
Idpol is here to stay, unless you're willing to give a different answer to The Apocalyptic Question - unless you're willing to choose to embrace paradox and hypocrisy, or to wait (indefinitely).

>>12054380
>Should Christians accept anti-Christians?

That's like asking "can oil mix with water." The answer is no. Not because we're intolerant, but because (((they))) seek to undo the world.

>>12054362
>Settle down.
oh FINE
>but the inner self be like

>>12054380
>Should Christians accept anti-Christians? This is THE apocalyptic question. If the answer is no, do you not cease to be Christian? If the answer is yes, isn't the futility of Christianity revealed? It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
it's Augustinian stuff. not only was it a question of Christians accepting anti-Christians, it was also a question of Christians refusing interpretations of Christian doctrine that didn't fit *that* narrative. again, Augustine is an important figure. Augustine fights a lot of heresy *in* the church itself, and of at least two kinds: the puritanical Donatists and the freethinking Pelagians. and many others. Christianity *itself* was riven, and this boiled over in the reformation as well. *schism* is old, old stuff. to my mind, it calls for the open hand and not the closed fist. it is part of the *charm* of the Church that it was able to resolve opposites into itself in ways that contributed to its majesty and did not detract from. and yet this is also the problem of 'worldliness.' i'm glad i'm not Augustine. i would not want that job. but the formation of an orthodoxy is an important phenomenon: there is no more *tragedy* in the middle ages than there is *heresy* as we would understand it today in Athens. i feel this is crucial, and so is Augustinian thought in general.

>What we're seeing now with Trump and idpol is the realization of that because Christianity has failed and necessarily will fail, the optimal thing to do is "Will to Power for your group" (mimesis of the Jewish strategy).
except it's not going to work. or at least it's not trending in any directions that i would say are commensurate with what human beings are capable of in a genuinely Level-2 sense.

>(My respect for Girard skyrocketted after reading this btw)
he's the boy.

>What is the solution? Optimality.
this. *all* of this. human optimization. Cosmotech/Anthropotech. it has to happen. neo-Enlightenment. and without repeating itself, ad nauseum ad inifinitum.

>Idpol is here to stay, unless you're willing to give a different answer to The Apocalyptic Question - unless you're willing to choose to embrace paradox and hypocrisy, or to wait (indefinitely).
i'm absolutely willing to embrace paradox, which doesn't imply hypocrisy either. everything happens in co-participation. it's poverty, ignorance, the sad passions that have to be worked on, not channeled and directed into rage politics.

when Napoleon was going to conquer Europe, who was it that helped the Brits with the money? the Rothschilds. i personally don't have any bones to pick with Bonaparte, he's quite the fascinating guy. what i want is a system that helps people become what they are. it's a complicated one, no doubt, and certainly paradoxical. Aminom already laid out the core metaphysics for me also. once things turn over and require men like Augustine or Confucius, that's another thing.

>>12054394
>That's like asking "can oil mix with water." The answer is no. Not because we're intolerant, but because (((they))) seek to undo the world.
if you want to move the plot beyond victimization narratives, don't create a priori victims. unironic triple brackets makes people feel that someone is perpetually victimizing them. please don't feed the beast.

>>12054394
Go back to pol

>>12054444 (nice repeating digits)
>it calls for the open hand and not the closed fist. it is part of the *charm* of the Church that it was able to resolve opposites into itself in ways that contributed to its majesty and did not detract from.
The church has explicitly been set up as an organization seeking reconciliation - dialectic leads to synthesis. Judaism is against reconciliation and undifferentiation - dialectic leads to extremism.
>or at least it's not trending in any directions that i would say are commensurate with what human beings are capable of in a genuinely Level-2 sense.
That's because you're wanting to view humanity from that perspective. I mean, I agree that if cooperation were possible, it would be the best possibility at the largest scales, but... that apocalyptic question hangs over us still, and it's lack of resolution makes Unironic Esoteric Fascism appealing.
>i'm absolutely willing to embrace paradox, which doesn't imply hypocrisy either.
Not always, but I would say in this case it does.
>it's poverty, ignorance, the sad passions that have to be worked on
Is the way to win a duel to refuse to fight?
Is it to turn the other cheek, or to fight back intelligently and with cunning?
And if the other side refuses to give up the fight, what do you do?
You lay down your sword - is that the heroic option in this world, perpetual Crucifixion? My refusal of that possibility is what has lead me here.
All this talk of duels is reminding me of Utena (definitely my favorite anime) and the duel songs.
Check the lyrics on the videos from this channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak11WgTr7AM&list=RDAk11WgTr7AM&start_radio=1
>>12054486
"Aggression does not exist." Nobody ever believes they started it. The refusal to acknowledge this though is why conflict goes on. I acknowledge it - the Christians acknowledge it. So where's the problem?
If you have an a priori victim, they are the ULTIMATE aggressor, as Girard pointed out - "The Aggressor has always already been attacked." Which is what leads to scapegoating in the first place.
>If you want to move the plot beyond victimization narratives
Where should the plot go? If it's toward reconciliation and peace, those who refuse undifferentiation have to be addressed (I don't like this option because of my own tendency toward differentiation). If it's not toward reconciliation, then war and Unironic Esoteric Fascism become the only real attractive options.
Do nothing is also always a possibility, as is suicide, but those are both the "Might as well be dead" options.

here's a thought then.

the fundamental thesis of Ender's Game is that *it becomes impossible to distinguish between Real and Imaginary threats.* in many ways, Ender's Game is an even more visionary film than the Matrix. if you want people to fight a war of extermination for maximum stakes, *they cannot be allowed to know that it is real.* it must be framed as an illusion, a training exercise, a *game.* under these circumstances, owing to the nature of human psychology, people can do things they would not be able to do in real life if they had access to all of the facts, which would include, *self-reflection.*

this matters, i think. the revelation about the truth of what has happened comes *after* the irreversible nature of action. then, and only then, are people permitted to understand that what they have done is real. blips on a screen are blips on a screen, until they aren't.

in our world today, when everyone is triggered, and everyone is under threat, we react to things in ways that invoke the Real, because *we lose this ability to distinguish between threats real and imagined.* disarmament is not always the answer, but in the absence of anything like a mediating presence, we can make Reality be whatever we want it to be, with all attendant consequences.

>>12054617
give me your thoughts on
>>12054651
please.

i understand that not *every* war necessarily has to go Nuclear, and that Girard's 'escalation to extremes' argument is basically Slippery Slope Uber Alles, but give me your thoughts on this idea first.

also even in my Taoist hermit village i think there is room for the kung-fu duel, the Royal Rumble, the Bureaucracy of Celestial Rhetorical Violence, the annual Insulti-Mania and about 20M other ways of *ludically* resolving the Fun inherent to violence and high-spiritedness. we don't want all to become decadent radical pacifist anaemics any more than we want to be barbarians. but Solving For Mischief is very much a part of the Cosmotech prime directive.

>>12054673
>you get confused
>but you know it

It's amazing how despite both the extensive intro pasta these threads still do fuck all to communicate what they're about

>>12054724
just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. there's more going on here than it might appear on first glance.

>>12054733
I think we're on two different wavelengths . Listen anon. I'm not taking about ideas. I'm saying what are you people actually doing in this thread

>>12054651
>the revelation about the truth of what has happened comes *after* the irreversible nature of action. then, and only then, are people permitted to understand that what they have done is real.
But can't the very awareness of that fact make one realize the reality of those actions?
>*we lose this ability to distinguish between threats real and imagined.*
What does it mean for a threat to be real, and not imagined, if the belief in the existence of a threat creates it?

And even then - there's the awareness of this conversation as a dialectical process that is moving toward peace... would I even want that?

>we can make Reality be whatever we want it to be, with all attendant consequences.
Ambivalence, oscillation, uncertainty
A protest toward existence - demonic despair
Repentence, Christianity
The Apocalyptic Question
Unironic Fascism
Regret... or Victory?

Rinse Lather Repeat

https://youtu.be/HOHthnsuhPw

>>12054761
> I'm saying what are you people actually doing in this thread
see >>12032848. Land's Meltdown mic-drop begins these threads, YH wants to know if there is life thereafter, and now we also have the BTC book to discuss. plus China and w/ev else. also Space Taoism. the basic idea:
>get a grip
i'm not known for my ability to get grips on anything, i've mostly spent my time deterritorializing. now i want to go the other way. i've been very lucky to have run across some very interesting anons ITT, and i'm trying now to assemble some of these thoughts in a less schizo-frenetic way. it's an ongoing experiment.

>>12054763
>But can't the very awareness of that fact make one realize the reality of those actions?
yes, *if* you have that awareness. Awareness does not always go hand in glove with mob sentimentality. or SoC-thought.

>What does it mean for a threat to be real, and not imagined, if the belief in the existence of a threat creates it?
**absolutely nothing**, and that is exactly the point.

>And even then - there's the awareness of this conversation as a dialectical process that is moving toward peace... would I even want that?
i'd say at least, *maybe,* and even if your answer is no, i might prefer it to be, if my livelihood ultimately rests on how you feel about threats imaginary or perceived. there was nobody to say *no* to Hitler, or Mao, or anybody else. would have been nice if there was. in the end, it took war. and in the Cold War, it was one Russian guy on a sub who had to stand down his COs rather than plough ahead on to Cuba. i'm kind of glad he decided to dissent on that one.

>Ambivalence, oscillation, uncertainty
but that is a *feature* and not a *bug.* thought itself is ambivalent, oscillating, and uncertain. it's process and reality, for which a very important book is named.

>>12054486
>if you want to move the plot beyond victimization narratives

But what I stated has no room for victims, only agents on opposing sides.

>>12054974
there are going to *be* victims, and when they ask about why that is so, they are going to say that it is so because they are

a) Jewish, and
b) described as (((they))).

and this isn't the conversation for this. speaking only for myself, i am anti-anti-white, anti-anti-black, anti-anti-Jewish, anti-anti-trans, anti-anti-woman, and anti-anti-men. the Great Learning, like the Tao, is for everyone. and certainly *capitalism* does not give a fuck. the computer which processes desire understands desire *as* desires, in exactly the way in which Marx's bourgeois accountant doesn't see the hundredweight of iron, the hundredweight of flax, or the hundredweight of wool. he sees *the numbers* and that is all. Landian anti-anthropocentrism works for me because it trends back towards an actual neo-Confucianism (or Space Taoism) that makes sense going by the new rules of the game, which are teleoplectic if anything.

and so the sides aren't opposed. they are only *apparently* opposed. i don't expect to solve for theological issues thousands of years old, or national issues centuries old. that would be crazy. that would be to ask for too much. but unironic triple brackets don't have pull here. even Land said it: when it came to where NRx stood politically, he said, the only people who didn't think NRx were Nazis were the Nazis. and Peterson is also right: idpol on either side of the fence is wrong. those aren't the cues to take your philosophical leads from, imho.

this is not to say that agents on opposing sides of a conflict aren't part of being human and having a civilization. they are. but a seccession from a lot of finger-traps are what i am interested in. /pol/ is expressly dedicated to those kinds of questions, 24/7. but it's not my bag.

>>12055013
>there are going to *be* victims, and when they ask about why that is so, they are going to say that it is so because they are
>a) Jewish, and
>b) described as (((they)))

Because the khazar jews cannot admit to their crimes against man, and it is because of the very fact that they are criminal that they will deflect with sophist identitarian politic. You being anti-anti whatever is an admittance of you being against the Synagogue of Satan, and its machinations. It's good VS evil in a literal, albeit generalized, sense.

The Ultimate confrontation, the ultimate war --- the hyperwar, will entail hyperpolarization. And therein lies the answer to the charade of sophist labeling. You think you are ahead of the curve for avoiding "victimizing speech." You're actually stuck in the modernist past, in a maze where sincerity cannot flourish because of the vain intellection that characterizes modernity. What is modernity? The tension throughout the modern histories leading up to the Armageddon. FYI, "theological issues" is an absurd phrase. God is not complicated, it is man that complicates things. It did not take several thousands of years to distill the golden rule; it always was and always will be. And one day it will be the primer on human conduct for the rest of eternity.

>>12055113
next you're going to tell me you're not interested in reading a seven-thousand word think-piece for schizophrenics about Toshiro Mifune.

the Ultimate Confrontation, the Ultimate War, the Hyperwar and Hyperpolarization are exactly what i do *not* want. we've had it, or as close to it as was ever needed. it was WW1, and WW2, and the Cold War, and the Thirty Years' War long before those. wars only get bigger and worse. i don't find much charm in the aesthetics of war outside of vidya.

>God is not complicated.
really? the infinite creator of the universe? the mystery that has occupied theologians planetwide for thousands upon thousands of years? got this all sorted out?

God is the *definition* of complexity. there's no other way to describe it.

> it is man that complicates things
this is true.

>And one day it will be the primer on human conduct for the rest of eternity.
i'll pass thanks. but this is basically *why* i like the guys that i like. because Hyperwar For The Rest of Eternity is probably pretty seductive. it's just not what i'm interested in discussing here.

this seems a little more germane to what i want to talk about tho. says Uncle Nick:

>Some right-wing think tank should actually fund the completion of a critical edition of the Marx corpus. (I'm happy to explain why.)

https://twitter.com/Outsideness/status/1060956344486846465

as the Chemical Brothers say, we're out of control. and Uncle Nick is one of the first really interesting Continental-Analytic crossover philosophers for this reason. a change of perspective on Marx, decoupled from Hegel, means a change about a lot of other things also. everything you see today happening in the US is a war between Red and Blue protestants for exactly the reasons he says. and those wars are just as stupid and reciprocal as any other. we are fortunate that they aren't nuclear-armed rival superpowers, as was the case in the 20C. but where America goes today, everybody else goes a week later.

to get a grip: that's got to happen. Space Taoism is an interestingly *loose* grip, to be sure, and that is why i like it. but it is a grip nonetheless. and it pairs well with my own sensibilities about a kind of secession from a lot of things, and thinking after Meltdown.

>>12055169
THE ULTIMATE WAR IS COMING WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. THAT IS THE LOGICAL END OF ACCELERATIONISM.

>>12055260
>THE ULTIMATE WAR IS COMING WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
disagree. certainly doesn't need to happen. happened in WW2, nearly happened in the Cold War, and would have been a bad scene. doesn't need to happen again. it will be attractive, for some, but it doesn't get my vote.

>THAT IS THE LOGICAL END OF ACCELERATIONISM.
nah. certainly not the way i look at it. i'd prefer that the logical end of acceleration is Space Taoism. but everybody's different.

>>12054617
>"Aggression does not exist." Nobody ever believes they started it. The refusal to acknowledge this though is why conflict goes on.
The belief that someone can be an aggressor is fundamentally the same problem as the belief in free will.
I don't see either being abandoned any time soon.

>>12055627
this.

and yet there's another way of looking at it. doing fundamental ontology is like asking at what point the pinball was set in motion. there is no natural limitation on the escalation to extremes in pinball either; the point is only to keep the ball in play.

dialectics don't necessarily have to *go* anywhere; beyond a certain horizon it is sufficient for them to simply be interesting, so that you can move on to the next iteration.

the only real Fundamentals are Being, or the Way, or Atman, or whatever it is you want to call it; everything after that belongs to a different order, that of a priori of time and space. 'tis my sense, anyways. the Cosmotech Hotel has a lot of pinball machines in it.

mmm. pinball philosophy.

>>12037479
there’s no such thing as infinite slope and there is no vertical point on logistic curves you fucking imbecile. stop talking out of your ass before I track down your IP address and punch you in the fucking face you god damn poseur!!!!!

>>12055772
even an elementary schooler knows there is no such thing as an infinite slope. and if you KNOW the word logistic curve and you USE the word logistic curve then you should KNOW WHAT THE FUCK a logistic curve is. poseur cunt.

Nothing is funnier than low-brow marxists replying to Nick on twitter not knowing who he is.

The Fly (1986 film) seems as though it is a fitting metaphor. Body horror is kino.

>>12056088
pity the fools
>pity also those who unironically are doubling down on Uncle Nick's rectification of names, b/c like he gives a fuck, but pity those guys also
>generally just pity all round i think

>>12056147
yeah, that's a really good pick. one of the best horror movies ever. i'm not really into horror, i like...well, not that. The Thing (1982) also, for teh Coldness & teh Aliens.

The Thing: Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ftmr17M-a4

i wonder what the CCRU was up to back in the day. given the kind of stuff Land writes about in the back end of Fanged Noumena it doesn't seem like Warm and Fuzzy kind of stuff, if it led to that kind of paranoia and malaise. seems to have left him a burned-out, haunted wreck ("Vauung"). DJ Tiesto or Avicii-type stuff. the CRU was hardcore.
>maybe a little bit *too* hardcore
>when the edge is too Xtreme
>those who are not content with fame is like polishing the edge of a knife. The sharper it gets, the easier it is to break. - Laozi

speaking of going over the edge, posting this also for that maximally purest 90s Feel. ugh. now *this* is 90s. yes. and also yes
>yes
>the unironic skull and bones
>the noose tie
>the stop-sign earring
>the puppet master-cross combination
>hnng
>oh god so X-Treme

the 90s got out of CTRL. that's basically it. they got out of CTRL and they opened Pandora's Box and now the toys are everywhere. the toys, they must be put back. the party started in the 1970s, got coked-up in the 80s, got wired-up in the 90s and commenced Meltdown in the 2000s. are you ready for an absolute circus of stupid in years to come? i know i am