/lit/ - Literature

>>11979035

>All entertainment without art is just plebian melodrama
Hmm interesting point

>and all art without entertainment is academical mental masturbation.
Yeah this seems like a reasonable argume-

>You will only read the gnosis by a combination of both art and entertainment,
Huh? the gnosis?

>one is male the other is female and they're needed to fulfill the secret knowledge of sexual alchemy and get to the spiritual realm of hidden gnosis.
What the fuck am I reading

OP, you lost me

>>11979064
true art (not academia masturbation) is about reaching the beautiful, is an spiritual cleaning of the soul, that feeling you have when you cry over a good movie, or watch a classical painting, or listen to beethoven 9ths.

maybe my hyperbole was too ilogical.

>>11979035
>cannon
OP, you lost me

>there is no dichotomy between genre and literary fiction
>proceeds to define the dichotomy between genre and literary fiction using the traditional poles of entertainment and academics and invoking one such genre (melodrama) he claims does not exist

>>11979111
day and night are parts of the total, believing day and night are oposites is just part of being a slave to the matrix chains of though.

>>11979148
Night is the absence of day

>>11979177
there's still moon light.

>>11979187
Not when there's an new moon

inb4; starlight

>>11979196
the point is that writers shouldn't choose one over the other, both entertainment and art are needed.

>>11979035
are you a writer, op? because this shit about "true writers and real artists" reads very ballsy, not to say arbritary. those kind of edifices look stable on maps but always crumble, or end as gratuitous ornamentation at most. that lads insult novels you like or are prejudiced against them doesn't mean you've to do same back with their "academia masturbation" or whatever, because that's pretty bitter and gay. just inviting you revise your thoughts

>>11979211
I was just mocking those threads that make fun of women writers.

arbitrary*
you to revise*
forgive any other typos i missed now

>>11979035
>genre fiction and literary fiction
Please define them, I am a brainlet.

>>11979222
genre fiction is just like pop music.
literary fiction is like microtonal BS.

genre fiction main purpose is to entertaint the people that buy a certain genre like romance or fantasy.

literary fiction is just literature done to be art and doesn't fit the genre fiction, therefore it can't be plotless or just boring shit about their memories of when they fucked a hot girl in their boring mundane job and nothing happened.

>>11979232
Both are fucking trash, then.

>>11979252
true art (shakespeare) is only done by the combination of both.

>>11979256
True art is not paying attention and just making sure the story is coherent. You're right in that Shakespeare is true art, but I don't think Shakespeare was trying to "fit" modern categories.

>>11979266
he was writing for his literal version of TV operas anon.

his plays are literal renaissance mexican soap operas.

>>11979273
>his plays are literal renaissance mexican soap operas.
You have to go back.

>>11979216
yeah, i get you, but some of your attacks on "literary fiction" seem so vicious and embittered.... it makes it harder than it should for me to just take them up the ass by courtesy, because a lot of literature you call pseud i enjoy and appreciate a ton, a fat ton, and have felt so about it since quite young, i'm beckoned by it very naturally. i feel negated and on the verge of acting defensive

>>11979282
they are fucking retard.

he was writing for literal iliterate drunk peasants and prostitutes and some high class women that had to smuggle in the places of london where prostitutes and drunk people gathered.

>>11979287
I just think literary fiction suffers from the same shit of snobery that classical musicians suffer, somehow the entertainment side of music and literature are beneath them.

A lot of literary fiction writes can't write an entertaining plot for shit.

>>11979303
Yare yare daze....

>>11979303
>they are fucking retard.
"They are fucking retards", or "They are, fucking retard".

>>11979303
i prefer form/ structure to plot, except when i don't (70/ 30, i'd say), so it's not a rule. i /can/ be excited by the seemingly mundane. if it's a rule for you, good, it isn't for me, and i don't feel too comfortable being told my "entertainment" (i wouldn't call it that, but anything else would be too pretentious for you, i'd cautiously assume) is moot because of some arbitrary rule that can only stand on its own while in outer space. it's been a while since last time i actively tried to negate people, and everytime i catch myself doing it by accident i stop and think about why i did it and ponder it back to disavowal (not to negation), trying to exorcise it so i won't fall into the same trap again. anyways, i'm sperging, so nevermind

>>11979356
I would say is a nice balance, it feels a lot like music, too much entertainment and you end up with generic pop radio music, but too much art and you end up with academic atonal meaningless music.

that's why I said picking between art and entertainment is a false dilema.

there's some satisfactory stuff about a well structured plot with some nice story twist, as well as a nice plot prose done with mastery.
both are not mutually exclusive.

>>11979382
i wouldn't. there's some "generic pop radio music" i like and actively seek (granted most pop is quite multimedia, it doesn't end—it doesn't even start with the music), and lads like webern i love to death. i agree there's no dilema, except for those to whom it is for whatever reason they fancy. i see satisfaction in satisfaction manifest, not in rules of my making repeating themselves over or under whatever the objects of my satisfaction, even if them the cause, as exceptions occur inevitavly, at least in my experience

inevitably*

>>11979205
Sure. Night is the absence of day, yet night doth possess it's own light. Full-moon genre burgeons on literature, and my eyes are blue so I have an higher appreciation. Dawn and dusk, twilight where the two meet. And the child's moon.

Nice

>>11979035
>academical

>>11979035
>books
>entrainment

LMAO pick one. Books haven't been a valid form of entertainment for nearly a century. The only chance this shit has of surviving is purely as art.

>>11979579
>200 million women read romance novels every year just in the west

>>11979579
Get out

>>11979035
>le enlightened third way
Gee buddy, I never thought of it this way. You must be truly intelligent! What other pearls of deep wisdom are you willing to share with us?

>>11979602
the state is just the natural order of hypergamy, that's why both comunism and libertarians are doom to fail.