/lit/ - Literature

>>11935473
Because brains work that way,

Pretty much every woman I have talked to watches porn. Not like religiously and obsessively like men but they do.

>>11935473
Have you ever watched any actual professional porn? It's awful. Completely sterile and by the numbers, awful cinematography, and dialogue that genuinely wants to make you kill yourself. Only a braindead, subhuman maleoid could possibly enjoy it.

>>11935473
woman are more aroused by the idea of romance then the image of raw sex.

>>11935524
Pls be in California

>>11935524
This, I'm trying to find porn kino, but so far the results are null

>>11935524
Yeah, I don't understand the appeal. Mostly because female pornstars are fucking disgusting bottom-of-the-barrel subhumans. I just watch some cute videos of random couples and that's it.

>>11935473
Not much erotic literature tailored to men. There's some porn tailored to women, but that's a clear minority.

>>11935473
Who's that semen demon and what is she holding?
To answer the question, I'd argue that the obvious advantage of literature lies in the capability to reflect on actions and reactions, providing better insight in the emotional dynamics. It's hard to capture the emotional impact of actions on camera, especially when the models can't act. Unfortunately this seems to be the norm.
Visual pornography is intuitively more suited to display the body and its movements, which can easily end up clunky when put into words and a writer might have to neglect some parts of the action to shift the attention to a particular area. While this is also possible on video, it is not necessary. Using a closeup is a conscious, though often misguided, choice of the director and there is no need for it to call attention to a change that occurs just in one area, say movement of the hands, whereas in a written text a sentence focussing on the hands has to be constructed.

Girls are more in their heads than men, believe it or not. That's why we generally have better coordination and whatnot.
But I have terrible coordination and while I make no point to seek out erotica it is generally hotter than porn when I come upon it. There's something bland about porn and always has been. Jerking off is better with nothing, but partly cuz you have to work for it and it builds more. I don't have the discipline to edge myself.
Only jerked off to erotica a few times. It actually worked pretty well but I don't really care enough to search for erotica past the surface-level equivalent of the kind of trash porn I wouldn't even bother to open.

>>11935478
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>>11935739
These cover it, from what I've read. When men are aroused, parts of the brain that are responsible for interpreting visual stimuli light up a bunch. Not so much in women, so their libidos are far less driven by visuals.

Fuck, you just reminded me that I lost a bunch of Sailor Moon lemons I read in high school. I will never read those ever again, and that genuinely depresses me.

Women associate sex with emotions more than men do. Erotic literature allows women to experience the emotional side that video pornography lacks.
From a more personal standpoint, video pornography is disgusting. The sounds, the images-- there is nothing pleasant about it. Erotic literature has the advantage that the situations are set before any activity takes place, such that if the situation seems unfavorable, one can stop reading and pick up something better without a sense of shame.

>>11935979
>one can stop reading and pick up something better without a sense of shame.
You can watch pornogra[hy and have no shame in doing so. Shame is descriptive subjective experience even when put on collective of individuals. Subject can be either desensitized to beheading videos or feel offended by strangers not nodding or saying ''hi''. My point is that you feeling ashamed of wathing pron and not so by consuming erotica lit is just conditioned response to stimuli. I have yet to hear real argument for either of those mediums being superior over the other.

>>11935999
I'm saying that in video pornography, the sexual activity (which is what someone would feel shame about) appears almost immediately. This is not the case for erotic literature. The conditioned stimulus (sexual content) is the same for both situations; the difference is in the time before it appears.

>>11936007
Eh, not that guy, but I think you're wrong. Here is a counter example to disprove your claim: >>11932139.

>>11935999
>You can watch pornogra[hy and have no shame in doing so

I think that's what most people who watch porn do, even to the point of mentioning their habits and patting themselves on the back

Seems like people have become more open regarding their mastrubating habits

>>11936007
>11936007
>>11935999
>>11935979
> I'm saying that in video pornography, the sexual activity (which is what someone would feel shame about) appears almost immediately.

I argued that what you feel as ''shame'' is conditioned response. You feel ashamed because you somehow are expected that to be the normal response to that situation. It's in the culture you live in or that you carry. Pornography is completely artificial phenomena, response to it is completely taught. Same as in erotica lit. Therefore I am asking why responses to either should differ if I dismiss as ''being thaught that watching bees and flowers are tabboo but reading upon it is just as a fair christian should do'' rather ungrounded stance to me. Only difference I can find myself is that one is ''mild'' content as it invokes quite alot of attention and immersion while other can deliver surgical precision of action taht brain realises within fractions of second and when only glimpsed by peripheral vision.

>>11936025
True. I can see many factors and trajectories of culture leading to relative openess and indifference to individuals private life realities in public spaces. But that still depends on social situation I find myself in, maybe it's not really culture shift, but that with age some things no longer bother one as much and one tries to take reality, both social and objective, for what it really is rather for what it is ought to be.

>>11935473
It's not that women read erotic literature, it's that women overwhelmingly read more literature to the point that they're the majority of any literature related audience section.

>>11936074
Source?

>>11935604
That is not really true. Women are just as horny as men. A woman's masturbation fantasy isn't about going on a date dude.

>>11936040
>private life realities in public spaces
The fact that sex is arbitrarily qualified as "private life" is a product of culture. Plenty of hunter gatherer societies have no shame about sex. You're just getting older and more objective, whatever that means.

>>11936094
62% of women read compared to 48% of men, and women make up 80% of fiction sales.

For as long as you watch pornography you will never be complete, It is up there with video games, drugs and lack of exercise for the damage it causes to man,

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/miscellaneous-resources/start-here-evolution-has-not-prepared-your-brain-for-todays-porn/

>>11936187
>to the point that they're the majority of any literature related audience section

This is false then, roastie

>>11936204
Jesus are you the same dude from the other big autistic roastie thread? Give it a fucking break.

>>11936247

My mom and I were conversing yesterday about something like this. We were talking about how radio, books, audiobooks, etc are better than movies when it comes to imagination. Your brain has to work to see the visuals described in the above mediums. Movies/TV just give it to you.

Same way with porn, I guess.

The real question though is why don't most people seem to like using their brains?

>>11936253
Easy and instant stimulation and dopomine rewards VS Active engagement that takes as much effort on your part in regards to how much you wish to consume.

It is why after an hour or two of reading, I put the book down and go for a walk, clean up, make a meal, be productive but if I start watching a TV series I go twice as long and usually feel less satisfied afterwards so I seek further stimulation.

>>11936200
>https://www.yourbrainonporn.com
Sounds like a very objective source, anon.

>>11935473
They're more patrician.

>>11936285
Read it then refute it if you believe it to be false.
If people have done research, concluded something is harmful and then wanted to work against it, why would they make the website name / organization name "neutral" they have the conclusion and its up to you to challenge it, pointing out they have an "agenda" is not an argument.

I can't believe I am having to point this out. How did you end up here

>>11935473
What are some good, well written erotica books or comics to read?
Please anons!

>>11935473
I wrote my first erotica piece just a while back but I haven't put it up on amazon/ kindle yet. Does anyone here have any clue on where to promote erotica?

I'm basically writing these as side pieces to my "actual" novel work. Id say I'm far above average when it comes to the quality, and I'm mainly focusing on very particular fetish related stories. Where does one tap into that audience who is desperate to see very specialized content?

>>11936341
>very particular fetish related stories
List me the fetishes you've written about.

>>11936359
As I said, I've only done the one piece so far. It includes some light scent/smell play, cumplay, diapers, bi/gay out of desperation and some "daddy" shit. I'm not gay myself but the second I read that women are the primary audience for erotica I figured to try all of those for the very first piece.

I haven't written any actual blurb for it yet, but its about a very effeminate barely 18 year old boy who lets an old man suck him on his backseat.

>>11936362
how can you be gay out of desperation

jeez I hope they get that deck fixed

>>11936365
Pretty sure the term is called prison gay, aka basically starting to "turn" gay because its the only way to get any release

>>11936362
Ok, i thought you were going to put some more basic shit like incest, shota, rape and feet play. That i could be interested.

I honestly think women would be more interested in more vanilla stuff, but with more submission on the plot, and daddy issues n stuff.
Good luck with your work anon.

>>11936074
haha women cant read

>>11936373
Incest is banned on amazon from what I read, otherwise I would be doing it. I don't know much about their policies on underage people but I believe it would be the exact same. I'm planning on something involving rape a bit down the line. Feet play I barely even consider a fetish, its everywhere and even briefly included in my actual novel.

>>11936370
I've not gotten any pussy in 9 years and shit don't turn me gay

>>11936380
>Incest is banned on amazon from what I read
Damn, thats fucked up. I honestly thought at this age people could already write anything without fearing censorship. Best you can do is use the "step-" shit, but that breaks the immersion a bit.

How the fuck can a website sell books like lolita, mein kampf and so on, but a book about incest is a no-no?
Will they actually read your book and see its contents?

>>11936400
>Damn, thats fucked up. I honestly thought at this age people could already write anything without fearing censorship.

Definitely, but then again I don't know if its going to limit me in the slightest. Incest stories are extremely easy to find for free and writing one that is even close to realistic would be both too time consuming and too dark to really interest the majority of erotica readers

>Will they actually read your book and see its contents?
No idea but they wouldn't have to, since if content like that was in it you'd want to market it as such blatantly

>>11936432
I mean you could market it in other websites and leave no description on the amazon page. Idk man im about as clueless as you are.
I would try other boards or other forums to give you more help on that matter.
This board is to slow.

You could also write some kinky stuff like the neighbor next door having an affair with some milf while her kids and husband are away. With seducing her more and more until she gives up.

>>11936341
Smashwords has a very large erotica sections and they seem to has no qualms with incest or other "niche" fetishes.

>>11936489
I'll look into it then. Although I don't think amazon has any issues with "niche" fetishes, just that they don't want to let anyone write about subject matter that's illegal in certain countries. Which is obviously ridiculous, seeing as its fiction and porn no less, but that's obviously the reason.

>>11936507
Yeah, they're trying to protect their reputation internationally. Smashwords seems to be open to pretty much anything as far as I can tell, except maybe paedophilia. Looking through their erotica section now I can see at shit ton of BDSM, incest, dubcon, bestiality, and more, so I guess whatever you're planning to write will be accepted there. You do have to make an account to see that section, however.

>>11936375
Ohhh they can...

>>11936574
yeah, your paystub lol

>>11936023
That's not erotic literature. That's just shit.

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>>11935656
There are some gems but by and large amateur is where it's at

>>11935473
because society/nature (depends on opinion, im more on the society side, although i do aknowledge that males must spread their seeds blablabla...) push men to seek sex more actively. on the other hand, women learn to be a passive agent, so their erotic self-stimulation will resemble this premise.

>>11936675
you fail to link non-visual porn to passivity and visual to action.

>>11936187
>62% of women
>48% of men
62% + 48% = 110%
Wtf?
>80% fiction sales
>that means 20% is non fiction
80% fiction + 20% non fiction = 100%
100% != 110%
>mfw

>>11935473
External words are a way for them to prevent thought. Same for niggers and rap.

Women have much higher standards for their mates than men. When reading erotic literature they aren't confined by the actual physical features of this would be partner and can imagine their perfect man. Also women are much more interested in the emotional aspect of sex which conventional pornography does not provide.

A full on view of sex isn't attractive to women.

I've had a theory: think about the POV of women during most sex. There's a lot of male POV porn, but actually think about what it would look like from a women's POV. The most you see of a man during fucking is missionary and cowgirl. Man aren't attractive during sex or when they come, but women are somewhat.
Which is fine. What I want from fucking is to get fucked so hard I see straight. I'd like to see a study on how women masturbate, eyes closed or looking at something. I'd say it would be with their eyes closed from my experience. Whereas every dude I know talk about jacking it while looking at porn. Erotica is a lead up to masturbation for women, you can't fuck yourself with a book in your hand, and for men porn is an visual aid, men jack it with porn open.

Video pornography isn't attractive to women because that's not how they experience sex, or masturbate. But that's just a theory, a porn theory.

But also live-action porn is gross, all the dudes are ugly, imagine watching a porn with an ugly fat girl? Erotica is all attractive billionaires, attractive boy bands, attractive mob boss. Narrative (shallow narrative, 'kidnapped by attractive [something]' narrative), along with format that better represents how women experience sex, makes cheap erotica a perfect fit for women. I watch hentai mostly though, it's somewhat better in the attractive male apartment than live-action porn.

because most men just want to cum as soon and as much as they can

>>11937206
>But that's just a theory, a porn theory.
Cringe

>>11935656
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>>11935524

Looking for some kino porn dialogue and/or scenes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3jR_9oW3Lk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3jR_9oW3Lk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhGglWmh7FY

>tfw I'm a man and I much prefer erotic literature to visual porn

With the literature, you can easily imagine yourself in the situation, you get to understand the emotions and the sensations that the characters are going through. Most visual porn, in comparison, is complete shit

>>11935524
>not watching exclusively amateur and 2D

>>11936388
You're gay for yourself.

>>11938431
sounds like a female, but this is the internet - they don't exist

>drink up basedboy

>>11935473
because they're whores but won't admit it

>>11935473
She's really attractive, looking like that at 43 is amazing.

>>11936316
>Read it then refute it if you believe it to be false.
Just to amuse myself, and you by proxy, I've done just that. It's garbage.
>If people have done research, concluded something
Because it's the same shoddy pseudoscience and puritanism that anti-porn crusaders have tried to use for decades if not centuries, all of which is easily debunked. If they were arguing something novel based on real discoveries, people might not dismiss their nonsense out of hand.

All that article said was it "it effects dopamine! you'll get addicted to jav midget porn if you keep watching! won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!". There is not a single argument in that article that would not just as easily apply to baking videos, as if people who like to bake will become addicted to ever more depraved depictions of cake-making. That it tries to construct arguments based on our limited knowledge of reward pathways is just the same old pseudoscience. It made a very, very oblique and indirect argument for why internet porn is addictive—a preposterous claim based solely on puritanical conviction that ignores the importance of dopamine in things like eating, sleeping, watching television, reading the paper, et cetera—but it didn't explain why being married doesn't inevitably lead to sex addiction, adultery, or copulating with the esophagus of dead orphan girls—the implied end position of every "porn addiction". Most horridly, despite the shoddy arguments, it doesn't actually offer any data that internet porn is actually addictive and/or detrimental. (Which is very different than studies show porn taps in to our reward pathways. No shit, everything that feels good does that.) People have studied this, and there is no such thing as porn addiction, so until you have data to contradict this massive meta-analysis, please thump your bible at church, not here:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201808/science-stopped-believing-in-porn-addiction-you-should-too

Oh, and one more thing. Like all anti-porn puritanism, it relies on shock tactics to try to evoke conflicting feelings of shame and titillation. These articles are like a porn substitute for people who are too prudish to just go on pornhub and have a quick wank:
>squirting less and less, frenzy of copulation, getting hooked on internet porn, The bigger the squirt[,] the more you want something, Sexual stimulation offers the biggest natural blast, we are all pursuing hits of dopamine, The subjects and their penises sprang to attention, a porn user’s brain, This helps explain why some porn users escalate into ever more shocking or anxiety invoking porn, Those who agree that porn addiction exists often compare internet porn to addictive drugs, making internet porn uniquely compelling[,] and potentially addictive, Internet porn can alter or sculpt our extensive brain circuitry,

>>11936335
I really like Yamatogawa's Power Play. It's on exhentai, if you know how to get past the panda. Probably on easier to access sites, too. I love his artstyle, his visceral kinkiness, and his playful approach to sexuality.

>>11938831
*decapitated orphan girls

>>11936247
>advertising your eternal butthurt over another thread
Sounds like you need to lurk some more.

>>11936100
>Women are just as horny as men
yes
>A woman's masturbation fantasy isn't about going on a date dude.
yes
You haven't refuted my statement anon.

>>11935473
Believe it or not, but women tend to like “womanly” things while men tend to like “manly” things (this point intentionally lacks definitions of “men”, “women”, and their respective “things”). It is just hard to discuss in a straight way because someone is always ready to shout “On no, you are proving that women are dumb whores!”, while someone else is also ready to shout “Oh yes, you are proving that women are dumb whores!”, and both types are not the ones with which you'd have a serious conversation. I suggest that the cornerstone of female arousal is manifested by gasp followed by inability to breath for a moment that come from notably emotional stimulus.

That said, most visual porn can only be described as “fake shit”, and the reason most men use it is needed to be researched just as well. Are they THAT dumb to envision themselves a roaring fucker that really makes babes cum? Do they see the crudely pretending female as a consenting toy submitted to their power? Does the possibility of guaranteed fast access to her genitals arouse them? What part of their behavior comes from society fostering “the right way” to enjoy porn? Do they start masturbating to porn without having any arousal, and make it appear from physical stimulation? That is also “nature vs nurture” all around.

>>11935999
Wrong, we inherently masturbate privately. That is enough to indicate its shameful. You don't start asking friends and family come to see you ejaculate and evacuate. It is hard coded into most humans.

>>11940515
One thing that shocked american GI's was the fact that vietnamese farmers would drop trow and shit in the field as soon as the urge hit them. Body shame is a cultural thing. If you had children, you'd know that they have no inherent shame about playing with themselves in front of other people.

A main difference between male and female sexuality is that women want to know how the man qualifies. Erotic literature gives views into the characters' status and lifestyle. In Kindle porn there's a lot more descriptions of the man's house and belongings than there are of his 'rippling abs'. You can't really tell as much about the man from the shittily written dialog.

Women are approached by people all the time that they can tell just want to fuck them. They probably can spot artifice really easily and don't like porn.

>>11940562
Only more or less correct answer in this thread.

>>11935667
>>11935524
the level of personal lifestyle choices ITT that a closeted american politician would disapprove is astronomical

>>11936100
>Women are just as horny as men
>this is what women who dont have brothers truly believe