/lit/ - Literature

>>11890256
Painful to look at. Seriously overestimating the value of individual thinkers and the impact of their ideas on the progress of history.

>>11890256
>liberalism
>leading to freedom

>>11890256
Napoleon, manpower and conscription.

>>11890256
>>11890267
Post more autistic graphs they make me feel safe

>>11890256
based

Damn, you're posting misinformation faster than I can correct it!

I knew Cuck Philosophy posted here but I didn't know that all you faggots watched him. Cool.

>>11890277
You know that 18th century liberals were against any taxes and welfare? They are the opposite of 21th century liberals.

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>>11890289
Seen it. Moar pls.

>>11890312
Kys

peterson's better

>>11890267
>reading 10,000 pages of marx and co
>this is the whole model

>>11890329
The proletariat do not read.

>>11890289
there is nothing wrong with this
>>11890267
commie cringe
>>11890322
jungian autism
>>11890256
actually based

>>11890289
>>11890314
>>11890315
>>11890352
t. Petersonfags introduced to Stephen Hicks, a complete hack

Kys and actually read real books

>>11890256
Look at this dude
OH NO NO NO

>>11890312
Both types of liberals led to the downfall of western civilization, imbecile.

>>11890436
Based

>>11890256
It's leading to unhappiness, not happiness.
The development of reason began with the Greeks and early church fathers. Reason actually went downhill since "The Enlightenment" which undid millennia of philosophy that preceded it.

Post modernism is just marxism by any other name

>>11890444
> We can and have landed robots in Mars and asteroids at this point of time.
> R-r-r-eason is going downhill

You people are pathetic.

>>11890521
Bait. Marxism is modernist

>>11890521
No it isn't. Marxism is at least rooted in rationality which is why it can be rigidly dogmatic.

Postmodernism is objectively even worse than Marxism. It's just schizophrenic drivel

>eeeeeeh
>*smokes French cigarette*
>aye, foooocoou, how you say
>yes Gilles?
>*inhales*
>a bodiee without orgaans!

>>11890528
Imbecile. The ideals of the enlightenment are not responsible for scientific developments. Remarkably pathetic you can't separate one from another.

>>11890539
>rooted in rationality
fucking lol
there's nothing rational about either his butchered Ricardo/Smithonomics nor his theory of history which is just frankly put stupid ahistoric theory (religion)

>>11890546
It's not the best example of rationality but in comparison to postmodernism or even present day Marxism or the left at large, it is rational.

>>11890567
> Rationalism is defined by far fringe lunatics.
I don't think this position can be held!!!

>>11890539
>watches Jordan Peterson once

>>11890580
More like
> reads one dumbass grievance study journal where dog fucking intersected with feminist Mein Kampf

fucking lol

>science
>engineering
>material goods
>progress
>mfw implying these are good things
The industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>11890289
Based shitoffessor in poology, Stephen Hicks

>>11890443
Dear lord, what a fucking cringewhorty meme
Seriously why you lefties cant fucking meme? It is painfull

>>11890256
Claiming happiness exists in this form of "progress" is WRONG. All thats occurred is nature has been transformed conceptually into a standing reserve and relations have become more alienated and destructive. The wise man, from any given point, can engage in a coherent speech about reality in its intelligibility which can disclose the possibility of a "good life", only valid speech is emancipatory and, unlike "science", philosophy spans multiple epocs and communities and talks in regards to the actual problems of daily life.


>>11890312
Except that's not exactly true... go read Book V of Smith's Wealth of Nations: "On the Revenue of the Sovereign or Commonwealth":
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/smith-adam/works/wealth-of-nations/index.htm

And read the entirety of Smith's The Theory of Moral Sentiments which isn't exactly what you might expect e.g. see Part I, Section III : "Of the corruption of our moral sentiments, which is occasioned by this disposition to admire the rich and the great, and to despise or neglect persons of poor and mean condition":
http://knarf.english.upenn.edu/Smith/tms133.html

Claiming 18th century liberals were against taxes and welfare you have to ignore their writings, they were interested in dismantling the remnants of the political-feudal structure of the day and its privileges

>>11890256
>Individualism
>To Capitalism
Kys, anon

>>11890574
>far fringe
Isn't it way fucking weirder to think that rationality boils down to a popularity contest my dude?

You can't be free if you are enslaved by your vices.

>>11891332
Chaste and breadpilled

>>11890267
Nah, great man theory is correct. They express the culmination of the highest values of their time period while extending those values to their limits, allowing others to reflect on those limits, paving the way towards developing something new to exceed them, and repeating the process of creating new great men.

>>11890284
wat

>11890267
> That Marxian garbage.

>>11891332
I create my vices; they are slave to me.

>>11891358
This is what slaves say to feel powerful.

>>11891363
Perfection is a delusion. No one is free of vice; you just get to choose which vices you have, to some extent.

>>11890256
They're all spooks

>>11891378
The more primal the vice the less agency over it. I smoked cigarettes, used opiates. Nothing compares to the sexual urge.

>>11890586
>one dumbass grievance study journal where dog fucking intersected with feminist Mein Kampf

That got a hearty chuckle out of me.

>nobody has refuted the op pic yet
checkmate marxists :)

>>11890695
>This
>>11890284
Graphs are unironically comfy. When I look at one it makes me feel good.
>>11891343
I agree to an extent. I prefer a great group interpretation where small groups of men can have a great impact and to fully understand the "great men" of history you need to understand their intellectual peers.

>>11890695
Extremely this

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>>11890256
I'm not happy.

There, youre refuted.

>>11890267
Refuted.

>>11890281
Based and redpilled this was a direct result of the movements in OP's pic

>anglos did everything

brainlet

>>11892579
what language are you speaking

>>11890335
whats this?

>>11890444
>reason began with the Greeks and early church fathers
>early church fathers

Fuck off christcuck

>>11890528
Damn, that's so reasonable. Why didn't I ever think of the wonderful benefits of mining asteroids?

>>11890444
Checked. Only a Greek thinker can understand our current situation.

>>11892579
There's"
>4 anglos
>2 scots
>2 frogs
>1 kraut

>>11892599
Also like to know. The Russians were about 50 years ahead of cybernetics, so it would be interesting to see what theories have developed out of it.

>>11892599
>>11892656
It's the structure of the comsos according to Roza Mira (The Rose of the World) by Daniil Andreyev, a schizo mystic who wrote this thing based on the "divine revelations" he had in prison.

>>11890256
Newton influenced medicine??

>>11892637
>Why didn't I ever think of the wonderful benefits of mining asteroids?
because you are a commie retard

>>11892469
>I prefer a great group interpretation where small groups of men can have a great impact and to fully understand the "great men" of history you need to understand their intellectual peers.
Absolutely, and that is a much more organically derived interpretation of the theory than the theory's detractors or abusers ever have of it.

>>11892684
Not even close.

>>11890542
>The ideals of the enlightenment are not responsible for scientific developments.
Yes they are.

>>11892696
No they aren't

>>11892615
Imagine stupid it is to look back on the Greeks and call them zeuscucks? Even if God doesn't exist, doesn't render the Early Church Father's thinking and philosophical development null and void. You're being emotional because you have a personal dislike of something about their way of thinking because it says you can't do something. You generalize it, and now you chimp out on me. Pathetic. 1400+ years of philosophical development can't be swept under the rug. This is why "the Enlightenment" was similar to Marxism, in that it sought to destroy the old and build anew! Sounds appealing but in reality it's incredibly anti-intellectual.

>>11890256
Happiness is not dependant on material wealth but on the correct understanding of the soul and its relationship to the divine. Material wealth is not bad per se, but when it becomes the ordering principle of life then the soul becomes heavy and afflicted by its beastly desires, unable to naturally feel the freedom and beauty it intrinsically possesses.
There is no evidence to suggest humanity is "happier" today than at any other point in history. We have more stuff, yes, and are able to stuff our faces more easily whilst also ignoring the dangers that lurk within nature (death, disease, famine, etc.) but that does not a happy soul make; rather just a spoilt being content with its depravity, totally unaware of the exalted heights it may ascend to if it so chooses to.

Let's not forget of the practical implications of our modern "progress." A holocaust on a scale that would put the one in WWII to shame occurs every single year, as our fallen appetites demand the slaughter of tens of billions of living animals a year to appease our desires. Likewise, the human toll is likewise great; hundreds of millions of human beings living in squalor and offered only the most humiliating of "jobs" as a means of survival. The West's prosperity was not built off smart men making rational decisions to maximise true happiness for the most - it was built off faceless armies of labourers and from the riches of mother earth, both of which we've conveniently put out of sight so that we don't have to be reminded that our "progress" is a sham.

Is technology beneficial? Sure, I'm not denying that. Is it wrong to want material prosperity? No, that's not wrong either. What is wrong is to artificially sever yourself from the source of this prosperity and claim that it is human reason alone that has provided it, and not the vast, delicate cosmos of which we are still entirely dependant.

>>11894789
>Happiness is not dependant on material wealth

I swear to fucking God none of the faggots who say this have ever had to flush toilet once a week because they didn't have fucking money for more liberal use of utilities, or lived in a mold ridden shit hole because moving or renovating was too expensive.

Go fuck yourself Ivory Tower faggot, thats what you do in your academia anyway.

>>11890322
God I fucking hate what Jung has done.

>>11894789
>Happiness is not dependent on material wealth but on the correct understanding of the soul and its relationship to the divine.
Happiness is based on practical applications of health, and mental health in a stable, productive, and supportive society.
There are no souls or divinity immediately evident, and believing in one only does so much for your psychological well-being. The same well-being and more can be achieved by being a mentally and physically healthy person, living in a society that cares for that health.
You are your body and mind, nothing more, nothing less. And don't feel bad about that, we're the most amazing group of bodies and minds we know about in the universe thusfar. Be happy about it, but take care of it, believe in souls and Gods if you want (as I said it can be part of being healthy), but realize that we can only work with what we have.

>>11890322
> Someone will call psychology science
lmao top jej

>>11894789
>the correct understanding of the soul and its relationship to the divine
t. mormon

>>11895096
modern christianity, especially American christianity, is a tradition written by people who find asceticism virtuous without ever having lacked their means

>>11895131
psychoanalysis =//= psychology
Peterson specializes in psychoanalysis, not really psychology. And yes, his content is horseshit.
However I hope you know modern psychology is pretty much the same shit that neuroscientists and psychiatrists study. In fact more psychiatrists subscribe to Peterson-like psychoanalysis bullshit than professional psychologists (because they're more involved with current research, stats, and the like).
I work in the field. We're concerned with what works scientifically. Only a vocal minority like Peterson are still fucking around with ivory tower psychoanalysis bullshit.

>>11895096
Even if you managed to find your perfect accommodation free from the worries of rent or decay, you would still not ultimately be satisfied. Also, nowhere in my post did I claim that material destitution was desirable. A man needs to be able to comfortably meet his needs without angst, otherwise too much of his mental energy will go into mere survival. But once they have been met, he cannot grow attached to them as a means for fulfilment, because trust me when I say being able to flush the toilet when you want doesn't prevent one from feeling great feelings of despair, fear, angst and hatred. The soul requires inner exaltation, not just outer security, to thrive.

>>11895149
> we are like neuroscientists
somehow I doubt that desu. having read bit of the latest research in that field it surely sounds like science instead of crazy trannies talking about cigars being dicks

>>11895156
> durr let me tell how gifted you are for having toilet full of shit at the end of the week

>>11895161
You're ignoring the content of my posts. I would encourage you to read them again.

>>11895157
this is bait but plenty of people actually believe this because they have never read a single thing about cognitive psychology

>>11895184
Only thing I read about it was its replication crisis and decided it had fuck all to do with actual science.

>>11895191
yeah this is basically exactly how these idiots think, thanks for the decent satirical illustration of how fucking stupid they are

>>11895096
>t. never-satisfied gluttonous pig who wastes his meagre money on useless and life-denying consumer goods when he needs the money for basic amenities because he's an unrepentant slave to capital and mass (rootless, incoherent, capitalist) culture
Frugality is good for character and competence. I think asceticism (true asceticism, not merely minor delayed gratification) is useless for most, however.

>>11895195
I don't see any argumnets here for why psychology is an actual science

> dude cigars are dicks
> dude dragons lmao

Mean while physicists created nuclear bombs which could wipe out humanity.
A verifiable, (falsifiable), empirical science

>>11895199
Yeah, shit on the guy that had to flush toilet once a week for being materialist while living in your safe and sheltered suburban area.

All of you shit on me, not that I have had not shit on me. Shit is good for character. Try it sometimes!

Huffing asbestos builds characters, I learned this in Harvard University.

Materialism is for evil capitalists, it won't make you happy. I know this because I live in a 200,000 USD condo while drinking 15 dollar Avocado coffees.

>>11895157
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>>11895200
Why are you guys equating psychiatry/neuroscience/cognitive science/psychology? They're all different, neuroscience and psychology in particular are extremely broad as labels, it's basically meaningless to speak in terms of these labels, actually. Positive psychology is obviously not on the same (scientific) level as cognitive psychology, for example. Neuroscience includes many branches including neurolinguistics which is heavily intertwined with linguistics, computational linguistics, bioinformatics, etc. not to mention broader levels of biology itself. They're hardly some crackpot social-reinforcing nonsense you've strawmanned them to be.

>>11895214
Again, you are deliberately misrepresenting my arguments. It's disingenuous.

>>11895220
Thanks for telling me what to think. Me, rural retard, damaged by Asbestos couldn't do that.

>>11895219
>hey're hardly some crackpot social-reinforcing nonsense you've strawmanned them to be.
Psychology is though. It's either jungian Dragons or freudian Dicks. (dicks?)

>>11895219
positive psychology might be full of buzzword spouting idiots but at the core it's just using cognitive psych to try and study "happiness" and the shit they've defined as constituent components thereof

>>11895206
Bro, did you even read our posts?
Don't reply with incoherent stock aggression, no one cares about your inferiority-complex toughness-fronting. Elaborate on your thoughts or shut the fuck up, child.

>>11895227
I didn't know Harvard U didn't care about me, this is news to me

*huffs asbestos to build character*

I need trans-feminist dog to fuck me in the ass while Hitler dressed in drag cites feminist Mein Kampf.
Materialism is just a spook of Spooktoober.
This, I have learned. Thank you.

>>11895126
>You are your body and mind, nothing more, nothing less. And don't feel bad about that, we're the most amazing group of bodies and minds we know about in the universe thusfar. Be happy about it, but take care of it
Did you actually type that with a straight face?

I'm the homosexual penguin.

My dog humps the cats.
And the cats tolerate it.

The Micro Machinations of a Miniscule Mind.

the way to hump a cow is not
to get yourself a stool
but draw a line around the spot
and call it beautifool

True story

>>11895223
Are you a rural retard damaged by asbestos?

>>11895126
>we're the most amazing group of bodies and minds we know about in the universe thusfar.
Any criteria you use to evaluate this is purely arbitrary. Objectively humans have no more worth than a cockroach or a rat.

>>11895248
am I a rural retard damaged by asbestos?

>>11895249
Thank you. Objectively.
*opens the Jenkem*

If you don't understand this intuitively you are never going to make it.

>>11895253
I don't follow, is that a yes or a no?

>>11895258
Your stupid sarcasm doesn't change the fact of the matter.

>>11895267
I know, everyone who hasn't got their own Mexican Toilet is stupid and sarcast

>>11895126
Is materialism a mental illness?