/lit/ - Literature

Well yeah, the bible is shit and makes no sense. We figured this out a long time ago.

>>11872013
>Bad things happening to good people doesn't make sense

God seems to always want to punish man for attempting to acquire knowledge

>google
>why was king david punished for his census
>????
>PROFIT

I wonder where the meme that atheists understand more about the bible than christians comes from. I never met a non-academic atheist whom I could actually have a nice conversation about religion without some random basic question about the bible popping up. Soon it always turned more into an interrogation than a discussion. Kinda the same that happens with people that do not understand evolution and still believes we came from chimps.

>>11872000
Ask your rabbi

>>11872049
>Tfw you are christian enough to make condescending posts on an atheist thread

>>11872000

Dense motherfuckers. The king is not suppose to multiply gold, chariots, or wives. (Deuteronomy 17:6) The point of a census is to tax people and multiply your gold. Whenever David gets greedy or adulterously horny, God punishes him. Simple.

>>11872084

sorry, 17:16-17

>>11872084
>There is no possible unselfish reason to do a census
I swear to God, people just make shit up and add it to the Bible to help it make more sense.

>>11872042
That shirt makes a mockery of Paul's Epistle to the Ephesians. Its absolutely disgusting. Chapter 5's detailing of proper family life is one of the most beautiful chapters in the Bible.
Who would wear such a thing?
>reverse image search
>A police department in Oklahoma released body camera footage Monday of former State Senator Ralph Shortey caught in a hotel room with an underage boy, making the video public days after he pleaded guilty to child prostitution and pornography charges.

>>11872074
Being Christian is an absolute - enough, Implying a spectrum upon ones 'Christianhood' does not make sense. You either have Faith onto Christ, as God and the redeemer, or you do not.

Now, personality is what governs how one protrays their faith, and how they act accordingly to their faith.
So you're really digging at their personality, which just shows you either are
-without personallity
-a follower of trends
- arrogant to other ways

>>11872093
Refute his claim, you absolute pseud.

>>11872099
Yes it's true. I am arrogant and follow trends. :(
One day I hope grace will come to me and I will be healed. Perhaps the same will happen to you Anon. I don't know where you are on your faith journey right now, but like recovering from addiction, this thing is not a linear process and I know I find myself relapsing into shitty habits over and over.

>>11872000
Can we just take the time to recognize how fascinating the Bible is as an ancient text for portraying a King as imperfect.

>>11872113
>Tfw you are king david
>you pursue knowledge for its own sake
>Everybody in the future thinks you are some kind of asshole

>>11872000
Can you LARPers please stop making these threads?

The bible is barely even literature and christian bait threads should be bannable.

go find a fucking biblestudy forum for your asinine drivel and quit shitting up my board

>>11872135
>The bible is barely even literature
Have fun never having a complete understanding of Western literature without having read the Bible.

>>11872138
this meme needs to fucking die

literally the greatest writers of the canon could give a fuck about your gay little fairytale book

seriously, if you think the bible is at all essential to western literature you are a fucking moron. western literature is hellenic in nature which is literally pre-christian

>>11872126
You didn't provide any information to back your claim. Try again pseud

>>11872119
I am a follower of Christ anon, I am not perfect but I understand his way is perfect. I always pray for grace anon, it is not a hope it will come to me as I have faith that it will, as it is promised.

>>11872145
>the greatest writers of the Canon
>the Canon
Bro...

>>11872033
It makes perfect sense, but not when your god is supposed to be just

>>11872178
>supposed to be
and who has the authority to prescribe God's nature exactly?

>>11872159
IMHO theres no way to tell whether David was shitty or just doing his best. Possibly y'all have read the text more closely
>>11872145
Obvious bait

>>11872167

>>11872178
God works in mysterious ways anon

>>11872178
>God is just so bad things shouldn’t happen

This is literally the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Ever. You have entered the annals of a special new all time low catalogue. Consisting of Frogposter threads, including the last londonfrog threads where he’s still binging even tho he said he’d stop

>>11872195
Those claims arent mutually exclusive.

>>11872167
Religious canon =/= literary canon
There's also a philosophical canon which includes every single major Western philosopher's most important works.

>>11872000
i'm just gonna come right out and say it

this "God" fella? this guy's a real jerk!

>>11872084
This
Also
"He (YHWH) took him (Abraham) outside and said, "Look up at the sky and count the stars--if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be." Genesis 15:5 NIV
The true number of the Israelites was later intentionally kept away from David, and I think his chief motivation for counting the descendants of Jacob at that time was purely for monetary gain. Yes there are points in the Torah that give lists of the number of the Israelites, however they were done up in regards to able-bodied men needed to wage a military campaign.
For what ever reason, at any rate, we can deduce that the Lord wanted to keep this information intentionally obscured from David's eyes at the time, probably because He knew David might abuse it. King David was familiar with this concept and even professes understanding at this dynamic that God occassionally takes with man.

Psalm 131 NIV:
A song of ascents. Of David.
1 My heart is not proud, LORD, my eyes are not haughty; I do not concern myself with great matters or things too wonderful for me. 2 But I have calmed and quieted myself, I am like a weaned child with its mother; like a weaned child I am content. 3 Israel, put your hope in the LORD both now and forevermore.

Brothers, if David, the king of God's elected people through whom He would opt to bring salvation to the world, could stand to content himself with trusting in God and not raising his sights up to mimic the office of the Lord, surely we can do the same. God bless you all.

>>11872370
The Philosophical canon includes the Bible, as does the literature canon.

>>11872042
>God seems to always want to punish man for attempting to acquire knowledge
>seems
absolutely everything revolves, and in the most fundamental sense *is* this
you can even take the whole thing as completely literal, not in a historical sense, but as the underlying truth of your own subjectivity

welcome to 'original sin'

>>11872768
>underlying subjectivity
Yeah, The whole principal of Christianity is that we are subject, standing under the judge(God) in every action.

>>11872121

underrated post. i am struck by the beauty of the biblical narrative in deconstructing ancient near eastern god-king heroic myths by having even the very best king of the Israelites, David, to become in the end a murderous adulterer, only for his descendent, Jesus, who finally embodies truly perfect kingship as God and Man. this is why Jesus is king of visible and invisible realms.

>>11872858
I mean thats not why, that's more or less a symptom of who he is. (God, the Son)
Unless you're implying the narrative of Christ is a work of man to define how the son's power redeems.