/lit/ - Literature

>>11866722
Why wouldn't we when the parallels are right there?

>>11866722
They learn from their elders

>>11866751
but harry potter was a thing even before peterson rose to the mainstream, it´s the other way around bucko

>>11866751

He's also used superhero movies to explain mythology and archetypes.

Pretty depressing desu

"Pop" culture (actually just culture) inhabits the same psycho-spiritual place as the traditional myths of ancient civilisations. Figures like Luke Skywalker, the Doctor and Buffy are all quite literally modern equivalents of figures like Herakles, Sun Wukong and Artemis.

It is only perfectly natural that people would use these figures as a means for engaging with and making sense of their own world. The only difference is is that the modern figures owe their existence almost primarily due to their ability to draw profits for soulless multinational corporations, although the consequences of such a reality are for another thread.

>>11866865
>although the consequences of such a reality are for another thread.

i don´t care, explain it here

>>11866865
This is partially accurate. The difference is that those myths came from human relationship to their tribes, landscapes, modes of living. Harry Potter, Star Wars and such are nothing but a product of brands and consume-ready products for capitalism. When you buy a pair of Nike running shoes because of Kaepernick's ad campaign, you're just putting pure ideology inside your head.

>>11866880
In a nutshell, by explicitly subordinating mythmaking to the profit drive, these myths then have to market themselves as "entirely fictional" and "pure escapism" rather than the actually very powerful psychological tools that they are, otherwise these companies would have to admit that they have a disproportionate amount of power over the psycho-spiritual domain of our lives. Then, to add onto this, this explicit rejection of myths being "real" or "true" means that modern humans have come to view reality itself as being devoid of myth, narrative, truth, intelligence, and so on, which then further leads itself to anti-social and unethical behaviour (hard to want to be temperate and honest when you see the world as a nothing more than lifeless box of chaotic atoms.)

>>11866906
yeah, i´m fucking tired of those holy "heroes" he want to save the world because "it´s the right thing to do", mindless garbage, i blame star wars for that though, the infantilization of society

>>11866920
There are certainly worse compulsions than to "save the world", but yes, due to the intrinsically limited format of modern myth mediums (a two hour film or a twelve episode season) then the myths being presented in them become reductive and simplistic as a result.

>>11866722
there's literally no such tendency.

/thread

>>11866764
Anon there is saying that everyone uses pop culture analogies to describe more complex situations, but millenials by virtue of age are familiar with harry potter.

>>11866935
pretty based. Stories don't have good endings unless there is a moral drive to the characters in them. Or a moral drive to the characters' surroundings, which usually means bad endings for ambivalent characters, no?

https://youtu.be/Cg-pnGFbwMQ

>>11866935
I think you can say the same about ASOIAF

>>11866935
Why is the quality of that picture so damn low? Shit's only a year old.

>>11866935
>when Hermione stands up against the slavery of elves, she's treated as some kind of ridiculous Soapbox Sadie
That's because she went full retard and tried immediately starting some autistic underground railroad hat scheme that automatically failed since she didn't own them so she couldn't free them. She would've been portrayed in a much better light if she didn't act so idiotic over the whole thing. Also Hermione's a psychopath who got a woman gangraped by centaurs and held another one hostage in a jar for a few weeks with barely any food or water, which makes her going into maximum overdrive over elves that borderline fetishize being slaves even more confusing.

>>11866865
>Herakles
Why didnt you just spell it in the original Greek language?

>>11867158
welcome to jpg'ing, motherfucker

>>11866865
Did people sometimes shame others for "believing" in those ancient figures in those times? I mean, there are many accounts of grown men telling stories, putting those mythological figures on pedestals to get their points across.

>>11866886
Based and Adorno-pilled

>>11866722
Man-child politics, please kill yourself.

>>11866767
People have been comparing mythology to super heroes since the 40's.

Because Voldemort is literally Hitler, just as every other shitty YA book villain ever written.

>>11868516
An Ancient Athenian politician by the name of Peisistratos was exiled from Athens. He tricked his way not only back into the city, but power by dressing a farm girl as Athena and having her drive him back into the city on a golden chariot. The people thought she was Athena and he was her chosen ruler of Athens.

>>11868704
I really need to proof read my posts.

*He tricked his way back into the city and power....

>>11866886
>The difference is that those myths came from human relationship to their tribes, landscapes, modes of living.
So do the modern stories, or else they wouldn't resonate with people the way they do. Yes, they are made for profit. So is the food you eat and while capitalism is happy to give us shitty fast food, it can also provide food that's as nourishing as any other.

The problem imo is that these modern myths despite being universal cultural touchstones, are owned and controlled by specific entities (though not nearly as well controlled as they were pre-internet). While I sympathize with the right of artists and production companies to profit from their hard work, I think it would be good to reduce the time it takes for something to become public domain, as opposed to the current trend, which is to lengthen it.

Because fiction is meaningful to us. In high culture usually it's comparing things to the Greeks or the bible.

Why there´s a tendency among 4chan to have to relate to reality with memes?

>>11869446
>these modern myths despite being universal cultural touchstones
They aren't. That's the whole fucking point. They are abstractions of what can be packaged and sold by the West. By consuming such stuff you're learning how to abstract from your own culture and only see what's marketeable.

>>11868663
It's fucking wrong, though. Superhero comic books and movies and stuff like that come from a completely different kind of thinking than mythology. They literally exist to sell books and merchandise. True mythology is a far greater medium, because at one point each individual mythology was truth for its culture. Superman, Aquaman, and Buck Rogers have never been held in the same regard as Athena, Väinämöinen, or the Five Emperors. Mythology is truth, and the American comic book tradition is a cash grab.

>>11866865
This is a good comment.

>>11869487
>the Bible and the Greeks
>fiction
Fiction is meaningful to us, but myth and history are not fiction.

>>11866886
>The difference is that those myths came from human relationship to their tribes, landscapes, modes of living.

Thats literally where all fiction comes from, regardless of if it's mostly made for profit

>tfw can't stop relating to everything through literature and film.

It's basically the only thing I can talk about when having conversations with people, it's pretty much my reality.

>>11869520

>>11869500
They are still myths and products of archetypes. It's painful to say but pop culture is an entire mythology on its own.

>>11869536
Anon, is this what anomie feels like?

>>11869500
>Dude we live in a society

All you commies need to get a life. How the world works is that people get to choice for themselves the stories they want and pay money to support the characters they like. It doesn't make it somehow worse than your beloved greeks, in fact it means more people got a say in the super heros they like and wanted to see more

>>11869576
>implying I'm a commie
Nice try, I guess. Our society can do what it wants, but I can also say its choices are retarded and isolate myself from the people around me.

>>11866935
Yeah, what bothered me about Harry Potter was that Voldemort was treated as this horrible person for being obsessed with "wizard purity" or whatever, but Harry and his pals still use what is in their world racist slang and generally think themselves a superior race. Maybe it's just British culture, but the wizard bureaucracy gave Harry a bunch of crap and he just puts up with it without wanting to change the system.

>>11866935
Absolutely based quotation post and explains why Star Wars and LOTR are so much better than Potter even though from afar none of them are particularly complex.

Star Wars was made by an Eisenhower era nerd who wanted to be a hippie. Star Wars is a reflection of the 60's ethos refracted within a classical and mythological sensibility. Tolkien does something similar for his Romantic Anglo-Catholicism. Neither of them are particularly profound philosophical treatise but they have strong foundations.

Rowling has nothing. She's an empty shell who wants to sell books and make everyone happy and offend no-one which is morally admirable but artistically reprehensible.

>>11867146
Sort of, if you count edgelordism as an ideology.

>>11869491
I guess you weren’t there when memes transcended reality

and I am not talking about Trump

>>11869595
Probably the most cringe post I've ever read

>>11866865
>>11866886
>modern myths are different because of capitalism
it's literally just a matter of scale you retards.

>>11866943
>Turmoil at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) is ongoing nearly two weeks after President Donald Trump moved to place Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney as acting director of the independent agency.

>In one example, a group of CFPB employees calling itself "Dumbledore's Army" is seeking to quietly resist Mulvaney, The New York Times reported Wednesday, citing a pair of sources. The reference is from the "Harry Potter" series in which "Dumbledore's Army" served as a secret resistance force.

>>11866935
that post gives far too much credit to rowling and is full of projection, that house elf bit was added by rowling to make her world seem "interesting" (guiz wot if people ahktualy wanted to be slaves).

Idk but its got to stop. Pic very related.

>>11869500
And The Bible literally exists as a document from which states and religious institutions can establish legitimacy and therefore power. But that's not how the people who wrote it saw it nor the people who read it.

The same goes for certain pop culture tropes. Superman may be just a money making machine for the suits at DC comics but for Shuster and Siegel he was more than that and for the little boys (and girls) in the 40's and 50's who would feverishly read his exploits every few weeks, he represented something transcendental; the height of human perfection, the man who cares for everyone and never loses and can do anything he puts his mind to. It's as beautiful and as elemental of an idea as any one found in mythology or religious story. The fact that it is also packaged and sold for profit doesn't change that.

>>11869846

>>11869844
It pretty much gives zero credit to Rowling, what are you going on about.

>>11869846
>>11869850
Jesus fucking Christ

>>11869847
>The fact that it is also packaged and sold for profit doesn't change that.
It is when superhero tropes like introducing a new character or hero was tied to profit and the comic industry had to adapt to shifting trends.

>>11869846
>>11869850
when you've only read one book in your entire life

>>11869856
Mythology and religion also adapted itself to cultural trends. As does everything. And none of this accounts for the relative profundity of the original idea.

>>11869875
That doesn’t go against what I said though.

>>11869846
>>11869850
These people read Harry Potter but don't realize that a student resistance armed and trained with wands defeated Voldemort.
These people think 1984 makes a good case for banning guns.
I want off this ride..

>>11869879
It does go against what you said. It may not go against what you meant but that's on you.

>>11869906
I never said that mythologies didn’t change in the past genius, but that they didn’t change with the intention to increase profits. That is vastly different to comics of today

>>11869825
You absolute fucking idiot. I want to knock on your tempo and press my ear against your head just to hear the echoey sound of a skull without a brain. When you scale up at a certain point there is an obvious qualitative change. You simpleton, you retard, you absolute braindead worthless worm: do you think the difference between the telegraph and the internet is just that of scale? Do you think the difference between being able to produce one shirt per day and producing 20.000 shirts per day is just a matter of scale? Do you think being able to think and tell a poem in the Greek aeropagus is the same as Marvel pumping out dozens of different comics produced by artists working under a strict schedule and receiving money per page a difference of scale? Are you able to produce a single, worthy thought? Did your mom drop you head first into the ground when you were a baby?
What's the next thing you'll tell me? That the difference between listening to the first vynils in the beginning of the last century is the same as streaming? Are you really such a subhuman ape that you would say the difference between dial-up internet from the 90s and our current standard is just a quantitative change?

Just start with the Greeks already and don't make anyone waste their time reading your bullshit.

>>11869974
Is this the most pathetic post currently on /lit/?

>>11869911
So what?

>>11870036
So it means there is a distinct control over current mythologies that degrades it

>>11869974
Best post on /lit/, showing how capitalism clearly changes the human condition and is the inevitable end point of an intelligent species dominating nature absolutely
>based Jacobite

>>11870029
>Modernist cope

>>11869500
It's not, and you're a fucking brainlet for not understanding this. The reason WHY comic book heroes used to sell so well is because they were a faithful recreation of the old hero myths. Nowadays, the reason why they don't because modern day comic writers are too uneducated, narcissistic, and damaged to recreate the archetypes.

This is also the reason why anime like My Hero Academia is succeeding where modern day comics are failing-- they understand the basic archetypes and try to faithfully recreate them, not """"""""""subvert""""""""""""" them like so many hacks in the west.

>>11869974
>unironically believes the Marxian trope that craftsmen were better than the assembly line because they had soul or some shit

Buy a 6 pack of craft beer and neck yourself.

It's not uncommon for fictional works to become.metaphors for describing real-world phenomena. Think Scrooge as a metaphor for greed. That Harry Potter has attained such a place among this generation is only evidence of how infantile they are.

>>11870291
>>11870294
Lol @these Liberal bootlickers.
>Muh we just made production more efficient without altering any inherent characteristics
If you dont understand how the quantity or frequency of publication alters the way a product is consumed and thus designed you should unironically lobotomize yourself
>the absolute state of neo-liberal thought

>>11869543
No because you get to "choose" how you relate to them. For some people it won't go further as worshipping the idea of a music icon.

That's why I always loved super heroes stories (despite most of them being dogshit), they would unconsciously explain to me what is unattainable and how cool it is.

>>11869809
this

>>11866935
>I hate it when leftists compare politics to Harry Potter
>now let me compare politics to harry potter

>>11870095
There has always been control over how mythologies have developed. They didn't exist in a vacuum.

The introduction of capital is hardly a major paradigm shift in this respect.

>>11870304
>>11869974
Love a good Marxist sperg. Thank god for modernity.

>>11869974
>do you think the difference between the telegraph and the internet is just that of scale
Pretty much

>>11866935
>Even then, they can only act within the legal and ideological framework of their society.

I'd strike legal from that statement, but otherwise I agree. The modern day left has proven time and again they have no respect for the law.

>>11870339
I'd say he's comparing Harry Potter to politics.

>>11870360
>Implying my analysis is Marxist and nog Landian
>Shiggydiggy
Marx his analysis is fundamentally correct, and even though you succesfully identified that more voice (the democratization of the means of production) is not a way out, you are too much of an Untermensch cuck too see that Exit and Accelaration do offer Escape. Thus you are stuck in eternal modernist liberal COPE, sucking on that Marvel brand Dragon dildo as a baby does on a pacifier.

>>11867212
That's actually something that works in her favor. She is fetishizing not the idea of slavery, but that SHE could be some Tubman type SAVIOR to the Elves, it's not really about helping the elves, if she was she wouldn't do it at Hogwarts where they are not slaves and work for the Castle not any one person.

But that would require her to think beyond her own hero complex. It's astonishing she is in someways as self-centered as Ron, but instead of thinking everything good should happen to him, she wants bad things to happen so she can be the one to fix them. It's a disgusting attitude.

>>11870341
>The introduction of capital is hardly a major paradigm shift in this respect.
It is, since now said mythologies can be commoditfied in ways previous forms can't even begin to do so

>>11866865
You´re gotta be fucking bullshitting me that Buffy represents and ahrechtype of untamed idepedent self reliace, and (as Campbell puts it) an itengration oF Masciline energies, done internally without outside ifluence from a man. it is just a show a bou moody teenager going to high scool, killing vampoires, occasinaly being adeicted to magic and living through pointlass dramas, and you think this much about it?

>>11870540
buffy fandom literally created tvtropes m8

>>11870502
she was like twelve years old dude

>>11870543
And Tvtropes isn´t the ATU Motif-index, despite how much pretension it has, both of these things are just things that comparatively small anmount of geeks like, while myth are stories that reapperas propagate with a entice culour and people have been leanring about for hundread or thousands of years. Tvtropes is a kinda fun concept, yes, but it isn´ t as groundbreaking and meaningful as you think.

>>11870562
oh no you misunderstood me
i hate tvtropes and people who keep excessively using tvtropes terminology
just saying that tvtropes grew out of buffy fandom, so its not just that guy who tries to overthink it, theres an entire cohort of people like that

>>11870473
>Landian
Oh so you're that sort of retard. Makes sense.

>>11870540
Don't phonepost when you try to be smart.

>>11870294
It has nothing to do with soul or being better/worse. It is a fact that certain quantitative changes force qualitative change as well. The jump from being able to produce one item to being able to produce thousands of them create certain material conditions that were previously unable. It's simply ludicrous to compare a pagan or indigenous creation myth to superheroes for this reason. Secularized, packaged ideology for SALE is different even from what Kings did when they LARPed as the holder of divine rights.

>>11870361
Then you're truly unfit for serious thinking.

>>11866736
except normal, well adjusted people haven't read Harry Potter.

Because it's a popular brand and is a neat way of getting your message or propaganda across

>>11870760
>>11870360
>>11870294
>>11870029

FOUR (4!) posts and not a single argument. The absolute state of liberal discource today.

>>11866865
Can you imagine living back in Greek and Roman times when these stories were still semi-fresh and not yet ancient half-understood traditions?
>why the fuck do people use bullshit like Hercules and Atlas to describe real-life politics
>how can rational adults be so infatuated with these dumb kid stories
>they only keep telling these Zeus stories because it fills the donation boxes at the temples

>>11871077
idiotic modern take

>>11870840
>>11870840
Explain in detail, without buzzwords and sperging out like a retard, what the qualitative difference is.

>>11871089
Not an argument, I'm afraid.

>>11866722

>>11870893
What are you even arguing for.

>>11871077
i red this thing were an old man was compalinin bout kids but it was like in ancent greece

like wow old people are dumb

Several years ago, I learnt this from my 55 year old English teacher who thought he was being hip. It's amazing how many decrepit losers who never grew up think they are hip.

>>11866722
Shallow pool of references. And Harry Potter is very obviously political and social satire, just with the intellectual depth of a political cartoon combined with the maturity level of the children's series written by a woman that it is.

>>11870395
>they have no respect for the law
only in the edgiest and most superficial sense they can muster
they have no respect for small laws
they all still pay taxes and refrain from burning banks and think they can have Trump legally removed from office

>>11871077
That's not how things work, anon. The stories that we know today were put into writing long after their inception, if they can be said to have ever been born properly. It's a bit like asking an expert on evolutionary theory when the first chicken was born; it didn't just appear out of nowhere.

>>11871136
>think they can have Trump legally removed from office

They probably will.

>>11871125
why is it the further you scroll down in a thread the lower the IQ seems to become

>>11871110
That modern, order of magnitude, increases of industries and production capabillities result in qualitative differences of the products made by these industries. Therefor capeshit produced by armies of formally trained artists and supervised by legions of focus group experts can in no way be compared too ancient works. They are fundamentally unable to produce work containing the same qualities of the ancients. This is no value judgement of itself.
Apperentely a byproduct of this argument is the observation that mainline neo-liberals are bootlickers incapable of original thought.

>>11869850
Look at those children with Harry Potter themed signs

>>11871165
It's probably your attention slipping. Reading is hard, after all.

>>11871150
Evolution may be a slow process, but there was in fact a single finite day where the creature we now know as the modern chicken hatched out of an egg laid by an uncannily chicken-like creature.

>>11871239
And what made the creature that laid the egg so distinctly non-chicken compared to its offspring?

>>11871175
>qualitative differences of the products made by these industries
What are these?
>fundamentally unable to produce work containing the same qualities of the ancients.
Why? What qualities are you referring to?

>>11871254
the qualities of reality itself

>>11871250
human observation of course

>>11871254
Modern market mechanisms will not be able to produce stories that are not marketed to the masses. Therefor only morals accepted by the masses will be contained in these stories, as opposed to morals beliefs held by the sociatal elite.
Story elements as Hera punishing a woman raped by Zeus will never make it through modern quality control, without heavily implied morals condemnations.
An inverse of this is woman being Active combatants in modern capeshit.

These results are not necessarily results of liberal ethics, but van solely be explained by Large scale capitalistic modes of production

Thank you for the first real interaction with my arguments

>The website famous for relating reality to memes is complaining about people who compare reailty to fiction
No one here can talk, at all. The biggest board here talks about "Kekistani" and wears frog suits at political rallies. Hell there's people on this board who believe all deomcrats are literally satanists. It's not even possible to get more reductive than devil vs god.

And for the real reason they do this: BECAUSE RETARDS LIKE YOU SHARE IT EVERYWHERE. Every normie under the sun laughs and thinks politics is thst simple. Job done. The fact you think you're intelligent for laughing at these idiots while their message hits everyone just proves how dumb you really are.

Fuck I'm honestly mad. How do these threads become such circlejers. How do we even get circle jerks on fucking 4chan. Instead these days it's just "doood liberals. so dumb right?". I want the contrarianism back

>>11871354
>The biggest board here talks about "Kekistani" and wears frog suits at political rallies.
You're confusing Donald Trump general with all of /pol/.

>>11871377
>implying there is a difference at this point
Plus /pol/ is the biggest and most influential board

Fiction can always be written in a black and white manner. Whereas the actual world will always be gray.Some issues might be black and white but the majority of them will be gray. Liberals all see the world in a black and white manner thats why comparisons are easy to be made. And if you look at it from a juvenile point of view it acutally makes alot of sense. There will always be something that is bad and something that will always be good. Authors have the power to draw a clear line of reasoning for the good and the bad which means the reasons are not really important. Unfortunelly in real life noone really has the power to draw a clear line which will define good and bad.By making such comparisons liberals are projecting an ideal world where all lines are clearly defined and cannot be argued.

>>11866722
Same reason every previous generation was like "this is like [shitty sci-fi novel] MAAAN"

>>11871254
A very good example is the current party scene. Hundreds of years ago, or in places untouched by modernity and it's Mods of production, parties were organized by members of the villages themselves. They were the ones to organize the dance moves, the costumes, the songs, the instruments to be played. Perhaps a guy had learned how to play a rebec or a flute and he'd do it. Some local lady knew more or less how to stitch, and so she'd be the one to prepare the folklorical clothing to be worn by children and adults. Sons and daughters would help to prepare the feast: take off leaves, wash vegetables, keep an eye on a roasted pig. They'd play between themselves and sometimes create new ways of having fun. All of this is unpolished, much of it "tacky" or considered too rough by our standards.

Nowadays it's a very different affair. You can simply pay people to organize your party down to the tiniest detail. There will be people in charge of music: professional, highly trained musicians. The attires worn come out of a globalized brand and fashion style. Demands are made to interior designs. There is a marketing campaign to attract CUSTOMERS. Old people did not see themselves as customers, they we're not buying an "experience". It was just what they did. Nowadays, with extreme specialization, we are accustomed to a certain level of expertise and polish that no normal person can achieve. Transport this analogy to capeshit. There's an army of artists being paid by the page to produce drawings up to a standard commonthroughout the industry. Writers adhere to certain structures because they're easier to stretch and attract paying customers. Ancient mythmaking lacked all of these properties. Their worries were different, their motivation to listen to stories wasn't linked to a globalized vanity structure like social media.

When you insist there is no qualitative difference, you just show a severe lack of understanding. It's akin to saying that the difference between an eye and a microscope is merely that of scale. It isn't. It literally opens a whole new world to be discovered and analyzed, new methodologies must be created to deal with the tool.

>>11871571
None of this makes sense.

>>11870547
She was around 14-15 when she started doing it and even other people in the book called her out on how patronizing and psychotic she was being over it. Between not going to Dumbledore or any other official to ask them about it to not even considering asking the minority group themselves how they feel before she tried forcefully freeing all of them. She's made out to be intelligent but she never thinks about the ramifications of freeing a group that didn't want to be free or what would've happened if the castle lost 90% of it's workforce. Her thought process was just "slavery bad, me destroy slavery. Me good" and even then she was a massive hypocrite, going on about how she's going to protest only to give up protesting a day later because she doesn't think it'll do any good.

>>11866722
It's probably the only book they've ever taken seriously

>>11871354
>I want the contrarianism back
You've got retards on here arguing for accelerationism, the philosophy for the semi-educated edgelord. The contrianism is here and always will be, you've just grown up and realized that you're swimming in a sewage pool for broken wannabe autists

>>11870853
What? That's not true

>>11871571
What a load of overwritten garbled nonsense.

>>11871957
It actually isn't, desu. Transforming traditional parties into consumerist affairs is very real. I just think that since you're probably American, you've only known a fully consumer-friendly way of living. Your existence is cuckolded in a crib of a dollars, so to say. I agree with that poster. Here in Indonesia I can see what he means perfectly. When I went to China it was also disgusting when people were commodifying their New Year's.

This thread has made me a neoliberal.

>>11871354
Probably going to be called a pussy but it actually worries me. A single website furthered the divide in an entire country to nearly critical levels. We've got people actually killing their fantasy world enemies over this, and dedicating their lives to it.

Why are people so easily influenced and dumb? For groups who claim to know the 'truth' of the matter 24/7, they sure did swallow and idea pattern that was originally for humor in it's entirety. Nowadays the shit moves through people like a virus, kids I grew up with went from being good, functional people to violent autists who are probably going to snap and kill a bunch of people one day.

/pol/ is probably the best argument i've ever seen that free speech is a mistake. I don't doubt that it'll be used as an example one day to strip freedoms. This is why we can't have nice things. The nice things are contingent on not weaponizing autism.

>>11871991
>/pol/ is probably the best argument i've ever seen that free speech is a mistake.
how is pol an argument for anything, it's just a bunch of shitflinging, its existence makes no difference to anything of consequence

>>11871964
Not american or European. I have lived in developing and developed countries and have traveled extensively. Don't know what the fuck he's on about. Twee notions of pre-modernity are the highest evidence of pseudry known to man.

>>11871330
What is mythology?

>>11871991
Ah yes.
It's not our dysfunctional society that is turning people into mentally unstable violent radicals, it's a result of them being able to say mean things anonymously online.

>>11872043
Tell us more about our dysfunctional society, I get the feeling you have a really novel and well thought out take.

>>11871330
How much of this is down to the Jews, do you think?

>>11872058
stop being a passive aggresive prick you effiminate shitheap

>>11872043
It's a result of the echo-chamber that this place is, where ideas that are actual bullshit get formed into your own personal truth if you have it repeated back to you enough times.

Society was always dysfunctional. This isn't any different and your 'christian morals' or 'white morals' or whatever your personal poison is will not change anything. The blame is always external for the kind of folks i'm talking about, and that's always existed.

Only difference now is that they have the means to stand on a soap box and preach to 10,000 people who believe the same thing without the hassle of actually taking the time to organize.

>>11872065

well said

>>11872065
Stop stalling and give us your take.

>>11872065
>asked to expand on vague shallow pseudry
>spergs out
Oh dear

>tfw you realize that Superman is a more profound concept than anything found in classical mythology

>>11872083
as opposed to your super deep take 'it is anonymous racist people that are the largest problem in the world'

>>11872095
Wasn't my post nor my take. I'm interested in yours though, you seemed so sure of yourself.

>>11872068
>It's a result of the echo-chamber that this place is, where ideas that are actual bullshit get formed into your own personal truth if you have it repeated back to you enough times.
This is happening everywhere online, not just on /pol/ and not just on 4chan.

>>11872102
That's true. I'm not naive enough to think it isn't happening on the other end of the spectrum. I just personally view the brand coming from this website as more dangerous, but that's personal bias and they're probably equally dangerous.

>>11872123
I mostly agree with you, I just think you had the cause and effect wrong in your earlier posts.

>>11872095
When it comes down to it, we can't really address issues that actually matter when people are squabbling over things as mundane as race, religion, skin color, sexuality, etc.

I'm not the conspiracy believing type but i'm more inclined to believe elites and corporations want this as they silently influence politics to favor them, because if you're sitting there worrying about your perceived enemies, you're less likely to realize who is fucking you in the ass. It makes a lot more sense than evil jews or blacks trying to remove a group for no substantiated reason, or something as vague as 'world domination'.

>>11872087
lmao fuck superman

>>11866722
Harry Potter would've been so much better if Luna was a main character instead of Hermione.

>>11871354
Literally talking out of your ass about /pol/.

How can you speak so confidently about a board you've never been to?

>>11871991
/pol/ doesn't control the world you dumb fuck.

>>11871991
The only thing /pol/ is ruining in this website

Why is this board getting so uppity about this when the most frequently used terms on this website come from the matrix and meme rap

>>11872542
wow, how postmodern.

"take" is a pseud shibboleth

>>11872351
Not an argument unfortunately.

>>11872752
Shibboleth is a pseud take.

>>11872752
pseuds don't have shibboleths because to be a pseud is to have ownership of ALL ideas.

>>11872812
i see you´re a capeshit fan

>>11872150
>over things as mundane as race, religion, skin color, sexuality, etc.
Oh look another le enlightened centrist redditor. The very problem here is that people like you consider things such as ethnicity and religion, which people have bonded over and fought wars over in every society for thousands of years, to be mundane and meaningless. Not everyone wants to be a rootless citizen of the world like you.

>I'm not the conspiracy believing type but i'm more inclined to believe elites and corporations want this as they silently influence politics to favor them, because if you're sitting there worrying about your perceived enemies, you're less likely to realize who is fucking you in the ass.
Yes they do this. Which is why they continuously push immigration, diversity and "activism" to create a divided nation that will result in the exact thing you're mentioning.

>>11866722
I often compare my country's politics with Gundam.
However, I justify it to myself as saying how Gundam reflects our reality, rather that our country is Gundam, and how we shoudn't take the wrong cues from the series as these guys are >>11869846 >>11869850. Also part of my points were that our situation was really serious when the reasoning of a lot of people seemed as if it was taken from a cartoon.

Helped my sister from becoming an Kamille Bidan.

>>11866920
Star wars is actual cancer
People say harry potter, twilight, da vinci code, that those are the worst western media but at least they are based however poorly on real world cultures and mythologies.

With star wars (and capeshit too to an extent) there is not even this faint connection to the living world. Instead you get the pure solipsism of George Lucas playing with his toys on screen, and the fans replicate the worst of this autistic "creativity" defined by an adherence to imaginary rules, pointeless categorisation and quantification, as well as the awful sentimentality draped over the whole thing

Terrible series, terrible fanbase

>>11873093
I haven't watched it, but isn't it supposed to be an allegory for Western interference forcing the acceleration of Japan's own industrial revolution (and all its side effects, like political centralization and imperialism)?

>No!

>>11873093
Meant to post pic related. Context is that there had been funding cuts to public universities, and the politically obsessed student council decided to take several universities, either having classes outside or denying them from being held. They even barricaded street wit desks. As for the kind of people they are, imagine a mixture of Che Guevara fanatics and your Burger left leaning college attendees (since from them they seem to addopt their choice in fashion and gender ideology).
This is just a translation between current student protests and some space politics in an 80s Japanese cartoon

Translation is
>top
"We will fight the opressing reforms, which are against student's rights and endanger public education... by making them not have classes"
"We will fight the opressing Earth, which is against colonists' rights and pollutes the planet... by dropping a colony on Earth"
>bottom
"Voldemort was defeated by organized students", the side comment is "from yesterday's lessons..."

>>11873211
It depends, in the original 0079 show one can easily see Zeon was written to be standing for Imperial Japan (and more superficially, Nazi Germany), attacking suddenly against the bigger and more resourceful Earth Federation, causing the One Year War, having an edge until the Feddies make their own mobile suits, and then suffering defeat. All the time sufffering from serious ideological stubborneess

Maybe in the sequels (mainly Z, ZZ and CCA) the role of Anaheim can be seen as what you mean, as it is a corporation, made up of mostly former Zeon engineers, which provides weapons to both the Federation and Zeon Remnant groups, not only making conflicts greater, but enabling them tto.

Then there is The Origin, some sort of prequel/remake of 0079. I haven't seen it but it seems to portray Zeon in a more positive light, to the point of making them dindu Mary Sues and it was the federation which was responsible for leading up to the war.
Apparently, Anaheim is retconned into already existing in the OYW,

And while most see Zeon as Space Nazis, I see them as Space Peronists, as there are Zeon splinters as there are Peronists parties all over the political spectrum, in fact every player in XXth century Argentinian politics has something in Gundam resembling them Specially with their hypocrisy, The gassing of the entire population of a colony not alligned with you, in order to us it as a weapon against Earth, is justified as being in the name of Spacenoind freedom, and idea I'd expect to come from down here

>>11871154

Who will do that? The blue capitalist party that loves the status quo, money, and war or the red capitalist party that loves the status quo, money, and war?

>>11871990
neolibarlism is accelerationist, succdem is economically primitivist

>>11871239
Tell that to the form of a chicken nerd

>>11869491
...what was the original edit and comment?

>>11875353
Some brony photoshopped one of the ponies into that picture and all the other autists were like "Hrrrrrggghhh I can't relate to people but that sad pony is SO SAD!" before going back to fapping