/lit/ - Literature

So that's why /pol/ calls liberals "cultural marxist"

It's pretty hard to deny that there is a patriarchy. To say that it a patriarchy is inherently bad is another thing...

explain how op, I'd like to think this board has some standards rather than just pol tier "HILARY IS A MARXIST" lunacy

You can easily use Wittgenstein to reach the same conclusion. Patriarchy points out that in certain language games a man's opinion or decision acts like the meter bar in Paris: it is a sort of universal ruler, upon which family language games have take place. That's why the man always had the final word, and why he could submit his wife.

>>11859668
Not him but there definitely are marxist influenced early feminists, at least modern feminism. Not sure marx is foundationsl tho

>>11859654
They're actually generally reliant on a naturalist worldview, insofar as they oppose the White Christian Europe that reactionaries tend to romanticize. Not all naturalists are Marxists but all Marxists are naturalists.

>>11859654
it doesn't, in fact neoliberal feminism works for capital. there's nothing 'marxist' about neoliberal feminism you stupid brainlet faggot

Horrible post

>>11859654
>be a contributor to society
>want to vote
>people think you're a communist because of this
delete /pol/. watch post quality sky rocket

>>11859717
Marxism is inherently feminist, insofar as the establishment of non-rivalry will inherently prioritize women (because women are sexual gatekeepers). Feminism just happens to work in favor of international capital, and feminists are stupid so they either don't understand that or are willing to throw labor under the bus in the name of muh vagina.

>>11859771
>feminists are marxists
>these marxists are bad for labour
how do people come to this conclusion. Marxism works in favour of labour. It's why capitalists are so threatened by it.

>>11859712
>all marxists are naturalists
lmaoing @ yer life

>>11859776
don't bully retards. Be kind and laugh behind their back like everyone else

>>11859771
>insofar as the establishment of non-rivalry will inherently prioritize women (because women are sexual gatekeepers).

>>11859771
is the polpilled version of marxism just anything that describes a hierarchy?

>>11859661

It isn't hard at all.

>>11859658
>>11859668
>>11859767
Obsessed, seething, rent-free, etc. Now call me a phoneposter, start deflecting or post pictures of fat losers in MAGA hats.

>>11859891
yeh dude all these people are libtards. You can't complain about newfags while phone posting. try harder.

>>11859654
In the sense of females being excluded from an interest group but Marx also talked about "From each according to his ability" which implies that everyone has their own strong points and weaknesses

>>11859654
No it doesn't, plenty of feminists aren't Marxists, and "Patriarchy" as a concept dates back far before capitalism, stop making one liner threads without elaborating your statement.

Why is drive in the car with mr grips

>>11859803
But hierarchies, their necessary existence, and also influence on society is the cornerstone of right-wing thought. Where do you think they should expand on Marxisim to get a more complete picture?

>>11859767
>be less of a contributor
>want the same vote

>>11860147
>society would literally collapse if you just stopped fucking men and went on a birth strike
>not an important contributor

>>11860150
>society would literally collapse if you stopped fucking women and went on a cock strike

>>11860150
this guy has a point. Woman actually contribute more being birthgivers than they do as part of the workforce

>>11860156
women have stopped being birthgivers in favor of joining the workforce hence becoming inferior men and contributing less, that's why they shouldn't vote and do what they're supposed to do

>>11860150
It's only recently that women have started to get the same say outside token voting and now the west is going to shit as their maternal instincts are babying everyone who is slightly 'disadvantaged'.

They're already virtually on a birth strike, men are forced to take bad deals just for a chance (see divorce laws)

>>11860049
So predictable.

>>11859654
>>11859771
You guys are aware that Marx kicked out a leading feminist proponent out of the first internationale because he thought that feminism detracts from class struggle, right?

The idea of patriarchy is ideology that distracts from the real oppression we all face. Gender and sex is just one of many venues that oppression is sought through and focusing on those issues one-eyed is only moving us backwards.

>>11859672
>acts like the meter bar in Paris
Your analogy became obsolete in 1960. You can still use the international prototype kilogram, but that's going to be made obsolete soon too.

>>11860399
Based.

>>11859712
>Belief in an incoherent "equality" and fluidity of dymorphic sexes is naturalistic

Bro, get some coffee and think about this for more than two seconds. Marxism is many things, but it isn't natural.

>>11859774
Yes. Capitalists are obviously threatened by Marxism, which is why you can be an open marxist while working for many of the most wealthy conglomerates in the world. Obviously Capitalists are threatened by Marxism.

>>11860454
>why you can be an open marxist while working for many of the most wealthy conglomerates in the world.
Like who?

>>11860459
Literally anywhere. You can be an open member of DSA or the IWW and do just fine at Google/any other tech giant, really any finance capitalist company, it's incredibly prevalent within many of the government agencies and contractors. Any random school or college you pick on the map will be full of active DSA. You won't even get fired for being a Marxist, let alone get actively antagonized by the system the way actual dissidents on the right do every single day.

>>11860507
>you can be an open member of DSA or the IWW and do just fine at Google/any other tech giant
Like who?

>>11860454
Nobody is threatened by Marxism because it's a meme. The people who have claimed they were Socialists, like Castro and Stalin, were just dictators, ie. the most right wing form of government possible other than hereditary monarchy.

>>11860533
>dictatorships are rightwing
Cringe amd bluepilled

>>11860515
Take a look at the Twitter profile of Bioaware employees, for one.

>>11860539
Like who?

>>11860537
theyre a hierarchy ruled by a single man

explain to me how that is not right wing, try

>>11860507
It's fucking hilarious that Marxists think they're 'subvervise' while having cushy academic positions

Then they cry about McCarthy

try being a Fascist, youll learn pretty quickly what actual subversion is and how the system responds to it. They are such fucking pussies and yet they masquerade as brave rebels

>>11860551
You mean fascists in America once had 300 of their leaders arrested for false charges of sedition?

>>11860554
>300 of their leaders arrested for false charges of sedition?
My bad only 166

>>11860545
You cant do your own research?

>>11860554
It's not even worth trying to explain to you. The basic economic infrastructure that you take for granted like having a fucking bank account or having visa process your payment services get denied to "fascists" meanwhile open marxists thrive in the employee boards of Google and Twitter. Chapo Traphouse had their book pimped at every Barnes and Noble in every mall in America while globo-gayplex stooges gloat about how they are able to get stripe to stop processing payments for TRS and Richard Spencer and getting Roosh (who's a libertarian for fucks sake not even a fascist) banned from selling his books on Amazon.

when did you realize this because for me it was quite recently.

>>11860545
Here's a few of the literally hundreds of open globogayplex marxists working at Google.

>>11860576
None of this people’s profile vaguely calls for clas warfare. And your original claim is that “open member of DSA or the IWW“ not some vaguely liberal bullshit in their profile statements

>>11860569
You are the one making the claim senpai so prove it. Either put up or shut up

>>11860570
>deplatforming is worse than arrests
So the answer to my question is a no? Okay noted with thanks.

>>11860576
>referring to your dæmon in the third person
you've crossed the line, Fong-Jones

>>11860156
Men contribute to the workforce and inseminate women.

>>11860588
Being excluded from society lijke this has effects over a longer timer period and is harder to handle and ecover from than serving prison time, so yes, it is at least much more inconvenient.

>>11860630
>being restricted physically is less inconvenient than being restricted from using several services
Hmmm I don’t think so senpai

>>11860583
The bearded guy in birth control glasses on upper right openly calls himself a communist. do you think a polyamorous queer autistic trans lesbian is gonna be a right-winger? These people are diehard leftists, was anon´s point. Do these people look like ones who believe hierarchies and tradition are natural ways or organizing society which are to be respected and maintained? if not they´re leftists, and that includes communists, so some of them likely are actual communists working for a corporation.

>>11860689
>switching from “open member of DSA or the IWW” to “these people just feel like leftists to me”
Again I asked for specific individuals who are a member of IWW or DSA, who announce said membership and is part of the a tech giant. Yet all I have gotten is weak grandstanding and the vaguest evidence.

>>11860649
there are excons who are in very favorable positions of society. There are barely any open racists. The only one i can think of right now is Mel Gibson

>>11860689
Also the guy you specifically pointed out was fired from google for being too vocal

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/2/21/17038430/google-james-damore-memo-tim-chevalier-lawsuit-liberal-conservative-backlash

>>11860703
>Excons
Why are you moving the goalposts? We are talking about leftists getting mass imprisoned and right wingers and you are talking about Gibson’s racism

>>11859767
>delete /pol/. watch post quality sky rocket
More like watch a 4chan destroying exodus from /pol/

>>11860722
since when are leftists getting mass imprisoned

>>11860728
Good. Purge the undesirables, most boards are too fast.

>>11859767
voting is communism-lite so it's not a weird assumption

>>11860734
>namedrops the IWW
>doesn’t know what happened to them
Come on senpai

>>11860588
Oh yeah, the arrests where all the charges get dropped like in Eric Clanton's case whereas people are trying to string up James Fields like he's some fucking domestic terrorist when he actually is just some 21 year old sperg who was forced down a blocked one way by an armed Jamie Dixon and panicked.

>>11860728
>mfw either 4chan finally becomes good or I can be free from this shithole

>>11860701
It isn´t about actual left wing organizations, its about the fact that there are people who are openly left wing in a corporation and the corporation tolerates them. How do you they ´d treat a right winger He wouldn´t be able to explain his views beyond " Is is good that men and women are treated equally by the law, but I believe there are fundamental differences in how they think and work-" before any of these people would call him a sexist who thinks he has a right to oppress women, much Marx says capitalists do to workers.

>>11860736
You don't understand. /Pol/ is the majority here. If you delete /pol/ you will be purged, not us

>>11860728
They'll throw a tantrum, move to another website and work hard to raid us.

>>11860777
Good, I don't care. I'd rather see this site go under than watch /pol/ desecrate it further.

>>11860771
Why are you still weasel your way out of your controversial claims and make more grandstanding statements. Give me evidence of a DSA or IWW in a tech giant or just admit you are wrong

>>11860787
imagine being this fucking gay lmao. what happened to this website that it's now full of these preening faggots terrified of controversy

>>11860798
you came around

>>11860787
Then fucking leave you retarded faggot. Nobody likes your gay-space-communism™ ideology, and it's so fucking frail it takes the entire might of the god damn status quo not to collapse after the first fucking criticism of it. You dumb faggots can't even stop supporting the global capitalists you pretend to hate so much, and you're not even willing to accept that your worldview has switched from "class struggle" to woke-capitalism. Go be a gigantic hypocritical consumerist-commie bugman on some other fucking site if you hate this one so much you worthless nigger.

>>11860805
this would work as a 4th grade rebuttal, but I have no problem with leftists or whoever being here, I find it entertaining debating them and watching them cry

it's always leftists demanding censorship, because they cant argue for shit and are literally afraid of ideas

imagine being afraid of ideas

>>11860798
>what happened to this website that it's now full of these preening faggots terrified of controversy
People like you and OP

>>11860817
except we're not the ones crying about deleting boards are we? we're not the ones who cry at the word nigger or faggot, we're not the ones who suck Harvard's dick while pretending to be subversive

>>11860766
Dwayne Dixon, whatever, same shit.

>>11860817
Nobody on the right is "afraid of controversy". We're frustrated that none of you faggots are capable of engaging in good faith (probably because you know you're full of shit). I'd be fine with talking to a god damn tankie, but all the fucking tankies are Nazis now because they realized how fake and gay marxist-socialism is.

>>11860507
Hell, even NPR did a celebratory profile of the DSA.

Though it really derives from academia trying to influence the business world by shifting the educated labor market to the left.

>>11860813
I'm not afraid of ideas you negative IQ son of the deepest circle of the inferno. I'm just sad that you lot have turned this site into your sekrit klub to be le edgy racists online without your mom finding out. In every single semi active board one can find easily interchangeable posts that amount to little more than lol niggers xd without a single hint of irony about them. It's awfully dull and tiring, but I'm stuck here because I don't like places where one has to sign up to post

>>11860835
Have you ever considered that racism is true? Is your brain even capable of handling that proposition or does fear immediately kick in when you try to come near it, fear of being ostracized, that disables your ability to think critically and automatically makes you assume it isn't true and you start finding reasons to argue against it

>>11860826
>>11860830
No you are making bait threads and posts, ruining board quality. Yet you frame it as if this board is opposed to right wing views when Spengler generals are a real thing here. Face it no one like /pol/ because you spread your shitpost around not for your ideology

>>11860588
It really is. It's.much easier to work against a government th an carefully structured authoritarian mass.

>>11860843
Spengler posting literally migrated from pol to lit. Spengler generals were a common thing in 2013 pol

>>11860854
Yea and so? That just proves my point that /lit/ isn’t against right wing posting but right wing shitposting.

>>11860842
While it certainly doesn't help that /pol/ tends to use terrible (at best) sources like Lynn, it's not your racism that bothers me. It's the fact that you go about it in such an annoying way. In every board, I can find the exact same shit posts, the exact same arguments, the exact same "lol ur a kike triggered much!?!?!?!??!" retorts when people point out how retarded you are. One would think that they are all made by some self-learning AI posting slight variants of the same 5 posts all over the site, but it's actually just a bunch of NPC terrible meme btw Drones turned racist because of videogame controversies spouting the shit they learn in le edgy sekrit /pol/ klub.

It's all so incredibly tiresome

>>11860754
Give me one example since the fall of the Soviet Union of any serious government opposition to the far left in the US. Given the frequency that judges dismiss charges against organized anarchist rioters, I'd say they're allowed to do whatever they want with impunity.

>>11860877
I am personally racist mostly because of the book Race, evolution, behavior.

The reason I was amenable to reading that book and believing what he says in it(he just quotes his detractors and shows how baseless their claims are) is because of my experience talking with progressives. They don't care about truth even slightly, all they care about, ltierally the only thing, is being fashionable.

It's called conflict theory, and while it began with Marx, it isn't exclusively Marxist.

>>11860885
>pushing the goalposts this hard
I don’t coz there are no far left in usa

>>11860923
there are marxist professors in the Ivy league schools what world do you live in

>>11860929
Unless those marxist professors are in some organizations that doesn’t counts

>>11860923
I'm sure the anarchist rioters would disagree with you. They've been doing it regularly since the WTO protests in Seattle about two decades ago.

When it comes down to it, there is no meaningful risk to the wellbeing of any person for associated with the left any variety. None.

>>11860914
It seems to me as though you have a very biased view of progressives. I don't care though I'm not a progressive, not even here to debate your racism, though from a quick search it seems that that book of your got shat on by basically everyone not associated with the author. Again, I don't care about your being racist. I'm simply arguing that /pol/ has reduced the quality the site incredibly, by acting like the refugees they Oh So Loathe with regards to other boards, and that as such should be deleted or forcefully contained in what was supposed to be their containment board.

>>11860942
Generating the theory and strategy for the left means nothing now, does it.

>>11860949
yeah the book got shat on because being racist is literally our version of heresy. If you read the book you will find that everything he says makes sense

>>11860957
That doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

>>11860946
The most unironic left-wing city is representative of the whole nation.
And antifa is not far left like the IWW

>>11860950
>purges and destroyed left wing organizations and discourse with two Red Scares
>still harp on some marxists left to prop up your boogeyman
Sad!

>>11860960
No and I wouldn't claim it's necessarily true. Actual advanced understanding of genetics and neuroscience would need to be had to make any claims about that.

But with the data we have, what fits it best, what makes the world make sense? It's pretty clear to me...

>>11860957
I don't know anon, I'm not a scientist that can confirm or deny his claims. I'm just a translation student.

>>11860966
>Red Scare
and what about the Brown Scare?
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare/

Fact remains- there are Marxist Ivy league profs. there are no Fascist or Monarchist Ivy league profs. America is more Left than right.

>>11860942
>Moving the goal posts this hard
>Not being a Marxist™ means you aren't a leftist

>>11860975
The entire american political spectrum is comprised two, ever so slightly different, neoliberal parties. America is the very definition of what a marxist would call "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie". Admittedly it's not some far right-winger's wet dream either, with all the identity politics business.

Also there are no far right teachers because they're all brainlets lmao

>>11860975
>measurement of left and right in a country is based on academia and not on ruining parties’ politics
Then why aren’t you in a gulag?

>>11860986
Do you think people like Thomas Carlyle were brainlets? Do you really think that, or do you think they were just silenced because they lost the 20th century?

>>11860982
This isn’t early 1700s anymore grandpa. Get with the times, Marxism and anarchism became the new Left a long time ago

>>11860992
just a shitpost calm down lad

>>11860989
My country(Canada) actually will send me to jail for 'hate speech' as decided by our 'human rights tribunal' which doesn't follow normal legal protocol so yes we have de facto gulags

Many European countries have similar processes. America is somewhat unique in its upholding of free speech but the consequences of speaking against equalist doctrine are extremely severe nonetheless for anybody who isn't independently wealthy

>>11860986
>Also there are no far right teachers because they're all brainlets lmao
It's because the government decided to use far left.intellectuals to defeat fascism intellectually during WWII. I'm quite fond of the Frankfurt school, but there's a reason that a nation so hostile to communism allowed them to enter the country and work in our most prestigious institutions of higher education. The leftist aim of the humanities and social sciences has remained that way ever since.

>>11860986
Liberalism is by it's very definition a left wing revolutionary party. Left and right are defined by social dynamics, not economics. Anything revolting against natural law, patriarchy, hierarchical social order and militarism is left wing, and liberalism is certainly against literally all of those things.

>>11860989
Where-do-you-think-you-are.jpeg

In 2018 the gulag is in your soul brother. The gulag is being socially unpersoned and having the ability to purchase goods or pursue gainful employment removed from you via the woke-capitalism status quo. Which is more effective at quashing resistance in the internet age, physical imprisonment in an ever weakened and subverted justice system, or removing their ability to have a fucking personal checking account and having the first thing that shows up on a background check is that they were tried in the court of the public opinion as a Nazi?

>>11861006
>My country(Canada) actually will send me to jail for 'hate speech' as decided by our 'human rights tribunal' which doesn't follow normal legal protocol so yes we have de facto gulags
So you aren’t in gulags but your fear you might be? Okay cool call me when that happens

>>11861020
my point is that it's possible and does happen. there are no right wing gulags. nobody goes to jail for insulting the king or claiming that people are equal

you guys are not the underdogs, you are the system

>>11860992
Furthermore, I'm kind of a marxist, and I wouldn't be opposed to there being far-right teachers in an eventual socialist state because, to quote Rosa:
>Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of "justice" but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when "freedom" becomes a special privilege.

>>11861028
Yea and my point is that yours is based on baseless pearl clutching, so call me when it does happen. Else you are just larping to prop your counter culture narrative

>>11859654
That's not true. Olympe de Gouges heavily wrote about a patriarchy and she worked in a post French Revolution France well before Marx

>>11861036
it literally does happen, it happens all over the place. Germany recently threw an 80 year old woman in jail for denying the Holocaust, the UK imprisoned a guy for making a Nazi salute, etc.

>>11861019
>Left and right are defined by social dynamics, not economics.
Economics determine social dinamics though.
Would you consider an anarcho-communist who finds abortion morally wrong to be a right winger?

>>11861043
>Economics determine social dinamics though.
NEIN NEIN NEIN NO
the two influence each other, among other factors

read Quigley you brainlets

>>11861019
>Left and right are defined by social dynamics, not economics.
That's not what I was told

>>11860966
>The most unironic left-wing city is representative of the whole nation.
>And antifa is not far left like the IWW
They're the paramilitary wing of the far left. They aren't nearly half as impotent as the IWW.
>purges and destroyed left wing organizations and discourse with two Red Scares
>still harp on some marxists left to prop up your boogeyman
Academics are the single most influential and important people in our society. They're tasked with selecting its leaders and deciding the manner in which it is organized. There is no boogeyman; this is the the change in tactics the left used after those purges. These people exist, and they're training the educated workforce in left-wing activism.

>>11859673
More like Marx himself was probably influenced by early feminist theory. He was influenced by Godwin, this much I know, and Godwin happened to be married to the "founder" of feminism, Mary Wollstonecraft, who had been dead for 20 years when Marx was born.

>>11861047
Then you literally don't even understand where the left-right terminology comes from and you should probably abstain from political conversation until you've read a little bit about the French revolution (where we get the fucking terms you brainlet).

>>11861040
>anti-nazi laws is the same as gulag
Ffs you are just clutching straws at this point

>>11861064
>Terms haven't changed in meaning in over 200 years
I bet you believe social democrats are still revolutionary anti-capitalists

>>11861043
What moral justification would the Anarcho-communist use to defend his dislike of abortion? Anarcho-communism is literally the definition of anti-hierarchy and anti-natural law/tradition, so I have a hard time believing that an AnCom could have a right wing basis for being anti-abortion, though in order to be an AnCom in 2018 you have to be able to entertain a staggering level of cognitive dissonance anyways so I guess it's possible.

>>11861069
it's throwing people in jail for anti-progressive, anti-leftist views.

>>11861069
>imprisoning people for political opinions/gestures is not a gulag
sure bud

>>11860989
It's significant when you live in a country where the left prefers to use direct action to subdue its opponents rather than working through the government.

>>11861071
No, I'm fully aware that social Democrats are working hand in hand with global capitalism. The definitions of left and right still fundamentally haven't changed. Being right wing fundamentally is about traditional hierarchical order and natural law, and being left wing is fundamentally about being "radical" in the opposition to that order.

>>11861073
Easy, if he thinks it's murder.
Another example: I think we both agree that Stalin was a left-winger, yes? Well, in 1936, he banned abortion and put started emphasis on the family unit, to encourage population growth. Does this make him a right-winger? No, because the left-right dichotomy is, nowadays, an economic one

Try Sir Robert Filmer's 'Patriarcha', OP

>>11861098
started putting*

>>11861019
Liberalism isn't again any of those things, only what americans consider liberalism. The US is the most liberal country in the world, do you think the US isn't militaristic?

>>11861098
Stalin actually became more and more National Bolshevist as he got further into his leadership of the Soviet Union. There were many aspects of his leadership that were right-wing in the sense that they sought to preserve a traditional societal hierarchy once his party had effectively become the monarchs/oligarchs.

>>11861103
Not particularly no. The US has a strong military, but 3/4s of the military is effectively a jobs program for frizzy haired mulattos. There is no culture of militarism among the wider body politik, and in fact the actual "fighting" military class of corn fed white boys from the Midwest/south tend to be treated like second class citizens by the bourgeois urbanites they sacrifice their lives to defend. Its an unfortunate situation really, because they go to fight and die for an empire that is fundamentally hostile to their collective survival as a people.

>>11861085
The last time they did the opposite you people screamed marxist conspiracy. Literall no pleasing you.

>>11861083
Gulag was meant for all political dissidents especially loyal opposition, not the ones that the specific country fought against or took over the country.

>>11861119
That's because you're a dolt who still thinks americas are defending shit. Stop glorifying war you pussy, if you really want to live the life of a military man go join the foreign legion or whatever

>>11861122
There is only one thing that will please me.

>>11861131
Not even pretending to play the victim card anymore I see

>>11861127
I think the Americans are busy defending Israel's extended Lebensraum and the sovereignty of the Jewish global capitalism based on the literal ponze scheme of fractional reserve banking.

>>11861136
This was never about "victimhood", it's about the left's total inability to see that they aren't threatening to the powers that be. If you were a threat, you would be getting attacked by the system in a coordinated fashion the way fascists do, but you aren't. Your ideas are useful to neoliberal global capitalism.

>>11861152
>attacked by the system in a coordinated fashion
Again arguing in circles. You already made claims that IWW and DSA members can be in tech giants yet you cant prove it. Already said that deplatforming is worse than being arrested. Already refused to admit that the Left in America has been crippled since the 60s. Already insisted that leftists rule every countries because some academics are marxists. And when people have told you that it is bullshit at every step, you still come back to main point after some weak posturing.

>>11861170
Half of those statements are highly accurate, and I haven't seen any meaningful counterclaims, just the typical leftist rhetoric used to hide their vast power and influence.

>>11861184
Well it is clear you are not here to have any constructive debate or to argue in good faith but to preach since you just argued replies to keep preaching and posturing, hell you are preaching right now. But I expected nothing less from a /pol/fag.

>>11861122
>The last time they did the opposite you people screamed marxist conspiracy. Literall no pleasing you.
The only thing that would please me is the complete destruction of the left. Any strategy they use is amounts to little more than a Marxist conspiracy because they always carry their long-term agenda with them.

What it does demonstrate is that there's more to the political landscape of a nation that the ideologies of the ruling parties.

>>11861170
I'm not the same anon. But you're definitely in denial, in the face of overwhelming evidence. You will cheer as James Fields gets sentenced to death, as Alex Jones gets banned from more and more services, as Richard Spencer gets attacked in public with no recourse, and you will continue to post on north korean basketweaving forums about how "there's definitely no bias against right wingers, it's actually us poor tranny mulatto socialist anarchists who google, facebook, twitter, and paypal are targeting".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
Your way of thinking is a product of Soviet psychological warfare.

>>11861196
>argued
ignored

>>11861200
Quick note, the three arrows symbol belongs to the iron-front which was anti-nazi and anti-communist.
Also that pic doesn't look photoshopped at all

>>11861200
>You will cheer as James Fields gets sentenced to death, as Alex Jones gets banned from more and more services, as Richard Spencer gets attacked in public with no recourse, and you will continue to post on north korean basketweaving forums about how "there's definitely no bias against right wingers, it's actually us poor tranny mulatto socialist anarchists who google, facebook, twitter, and paypal are targeting".
That is a lot of projection for things that I do not do.

>>11861196
>Well it is clear you are not here to have any constructive debate or to argue in good faith
The political left has used their control of academia the standards of discourse and language itself. The concept of "good faith" as it is currently used (and I have seen its use among lefties increase substantially in recent times) to dismiss the genuine concerns people take with the left in order to conceal their vast power and influence.

The every word of a leftist is in bad faith because they understand language as a function of power and freely abuse it to achieve their ends. You, like everyone on your side of the political spectrum, are a disingenuous pig who eat freely from the slop of rhetorical tricks poured by your academic masters. With that post you may have finally achieved the honor of being the worst poster this site has ever seen.

>>11861229
I am not the one who made wild claims and still can't back it up instead double down with more weasel words.

>>11861209
I know what it is. Anarchocommunists in antifa have appropriated the symbol; do you not even know what your own people are doing?

>>11861227
Are you capable of engaging in good faith? Your never ending bad faith "irony" posting is tiresome, and you should genuinely consider physically removing yourself from society.

>>11861245
Are you? You projected a whole narrative about me in an imageboard and you expect me to play along? You are the one arguing in bad faith

>>11861244
>My own people
Ah yes, the hivemind of collectivists that secretely control and to whose data collection centres I, as chairman of the marxist commission for women in videogames, have access to
Anyway the hivemind is telling me that the pic is shopped so kill yourself

>>11861209
http://felleisen.org/matthias/Articles/damore-suit.pdf
page 26, it is part of james damore's legal defense, as an example of far-left dominance at google. there are a ton of images from google's internal social media towards the bottom of the document too.

>>11861261
that secretly control America*

>>11861231
It is not a wild claim that leftists are commonplace throughout the halls of power in the current status quo. It is so fucking apparent that you have to literally be a fucking blinded religious ideologue to ignore it. For God's sake most of these global capitalist institutions have fucking "Diversity officers" to enforce the company remains in line with the church of globo-gayplex. You're asserting that people having fucking open antifa and DSA affiliations isn't leftism because "READ KROPOTKIN" isn't literally tattoo'd on their tranny foreheads as they ban anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton from access to a fucking debit card and email account.

>>11861231
Everything claimed against the left in this thread is easily backed up with a google search. What I ave yet to see is any evidence that the political left doesn't have major influence over the academic world and therefore, the educated workforce) or that there has ever been any serious action since the fall of the Soviet Union (a paradigm shifting event that makes the actions against leftist organizations prior to it irrelevant.) Or that the left doesn't use its cultural influence to justify actions taken by those on their side while villainizing equivalent actions taken by the right (just think of the recent Bundy standoff vs. the armed occupations of the black panthers). These actions have been posted on this site so many times that they should be obvious to any user, but your use of leftist twitter rhetorical tactics makes me think you're not a regular.

The only weasel words used in this thread are "good faith," "constructive debate," and weasel words.

>>11861265
So, american neoliberal progressives are discriminating against american neoliberal conservatives because they think they're racist/homophobic whatever
A marxist takeover is nigh, the end of private property is approaching

I wish I could live in your fantasy world

>>11861259
Yes actually, I'm willing to discuss things as they are, and every single time I display the fucking open ties between Marxism and global woke-capitalism™ you just respond with a retread of "that's not real leftism" even though it very fucking obviously is.

>>11861276
>You're asserting that people having fucking open antifa and DSA affiliations isn't leftism because "READ KROPOTKIN"
You see? I never said or implied it yet you are strawmanning me right now. More rhetoric devices, strawmanning liberalism as leftism and arguing in bad faith, you people are just disgusting.

>>11861282
>>11861285
Lmao I still haven't seen any evidence of IWW or DSA member in tech giants like you people insisted from the very beginning. Even after multiple posts and goalposts moving still no evidence.

>>11861287
>arguing in bad faith
what does this even mean in your mind, you cant just win an argument by claiming this, you replied to nothing the poster said

>>11861295
It means you don't intend to argue or prove anything, instead make vicious claims with no proof and putting words in my mouth. You are not even trying to argue anymore, just bludgeoning your opponents with insults and accusations.

>>11861287
Deliberately pretending that that the political leftism isn't a broad coalition of various egalitarian minded groups in order to separate yourself from your acknowledged allies is arguing in bad faith.

I can't believe you got me to use that term, but the little leftist piggies can't seem to help vomiting the rhetorical slop into everyone else's feed. I get that control of all discursive spaces is a stated goal for your types, but expecting it doesn't make it any less disgusting.

>>11861283
Nobody takes Marxists seriously, Marxists are an outpost of the Left that are allowed to exist despite being as murderous as Fascists, because they are Left wing, and so they can be mostly assimilated to the general Progressive agenda

The fact that you dont understand this means you understand nothing about history. You think in terms of capitalists and marxists- that's not how it works, there are just groups of people that are vying for power, progressives are the obviously dominant group in modern history

>>11861287
You didn't address any of what I said. The reason is fairly apparent, you have no answer to them. Obviously the "READ KROPOTKIN" sentence was fucking hyperbole you retard (and even a play on the right wing READ SIEGE spergs that were all over the place late-2017), but the essence of the sentence is true and it isn't a fucking strawman to say you are taking presented evidence of obvious allegiance to leftism and pretending it isn't "REAL MARXISM™".

>>11861303
>political leftism isn't a broad coalition of various egalitarian minded groups in order to separate yourself from your acknowledged allies is arguing in bad faith.
It isn't and it never was, wasn't Phil Ochs clear enough?

>can't seem to help vomiting the rhetorical slop into everyone else's feed. I get that control of all discursive spaces is a stated goal for your types, but expecting it doesn't make it any less disgusting.
More shameless projection with no arguments again. Sad!

>>11861283
You still think I'm trying to convince you that "communism" is on the horizon, what you don't realize is that the reason "communism" was allowed to fail is because neoliberal capitalism is a more effective vehicle for the elite to further globalization and control over peoples' lives.That is what both systems' goals are.
Far-left ideas aren't a threat to this. Fascist/traditionalist ideas are.

>>11861305
But you told me that marxists in education were turning the next generation of Americans into radicals

>>11861318
Because you strawmanned my argument so how can I effectively address you? Either get my points right or just admit you are wrong.

>>11860454
>which is why you can be an open marxist while working for many of the most wealthy conglomerates in the world.
well, yeah anon. "Land of the free", america. Nit china. You can follow whatever. Are you implying forcing views are better

>>11861302
At this point the only thing you deserve in your mouth is a self delivered bullet.

>>11861305
imagine being this stupid

>>11860576
>proudly bipolar
Fuck you that shit isn't anything to be proud of. Fetishizing mental illness is disgusting

>>11861322
Interesting how you think that Fascism doesn't exercise control over people's lives, apparently.

>>11861319
>It isn't and it never was,
Then why do neolibs, anarchists, marxists etc. all rub shoulders comfortably in the Ivy leagues, in the art world, in the publishing industry, etc. While anybody to the right of Democrats is a pariah

It looks an awful lot like a group of people all on the same side

>>11861326
Where exactly did I strawman you? Are you seriously expecting me to believe you can't tell the difference between hyperbole and a strawman?

>>11860576
>people outside the workplace act differently outside it
>employees have their own views
so close to that marxist dystopia I can feel it. jesus christ it's like talking to triggered soccer mums

>>11861324
they are doing that but they arent as important as the neolib intersectionalists, who have completely taken over academia and even infected the corporate world through HR and 'diversity' quotas and etc.

>>11861335
It does. Fascism doesn't work within a liberal paradigm which assumes controls over individual choice are a bad thing. The government preventing you from becoming a drug addicted AIDs tranny and directing your efforts towards becoming a healthy contributor to a social order is a good thing.

>>11861344
You're retarded if you think this behavior isn't directly encouraged by the global capitalist order they effectively work to preserve.

>>11861328
Not an argument, but then again you never had one to begin with.

>>11861319
>It isn't and it never was, wasn't Phil Ochs clear enough?
I've listened to way more Phil Ochs than you have. He died a sad drunk because his need for leftist purity didn't fit leftist strategy in a post 60s world. Eventhen he wrote a song about how unions would lose due to their failure to support the civil rights movement, so he was not fan of the economic reductionsim of many of the people wanting to put class first. I wish Nixon could have done to him what Pinochet did to Victor Jara.
>More shameless projection with no arguments again. Sad!
I'm just making clear what you're doing in this thread, so that casual onlookers aren't confused by your vague responses and dishonest depiction of the contemporary left.

>>11861352
Yeah but is the government preventing you from becoming that by putting a bullet through your head a good thing?

Governments intervening to control people's private lives gets messy. Try to do that in a place like the USA and the bullets will fly.

>>11861358
I'm not arguing with you, I gave up on that about 45 minutes ago when it became apparent you don't actually have one. I'm telling you to do the rest of the world a favor and kill yourself.

>>11861342
>I was only pretending to be retarded you guys!
Someone is on full damage control.

>>11859654
Nah, feminism started mostly as an economic necessity in WWI. Remember how the women would shun any man who wasn't fighting and hand him feathers in the street. And many were fighting for the vote and the 'right to work' even before this.
It's almost purely a liberal phenomenon, no need of Marxism.

>>11861347
Hmm. So, Marxism has a stronghold in Academia but it doesn't, and also Marxists have allied themselves with everything that Marxism thought had to go away, thereby not being Marxists anymore, but they're like all still turning all the little boys and girls into the next Lenins and Rosas
I see

>>11861352
I see. I take it that making it law to have my arm in a certain position whenever the National Anthem or the Horst Wessel Lied plays, is also for my own good, yes?

>>11861335
Fascism seeks to elevate the individual. Strong bodies, strong minds, strong nations. "Freedom" isn't "freedom to do wrong", "freedom" comes from the kinetic forces you are capable of once your potential is realized. The state serves the people just as the people serve the state. "Germany for Germans and Germans for Germany", for example.
Neoliberal capitalism seeks to subdue the individual with cheap comforts and luxury goods so even if they get an inkling that some injustice is occurring they are too comfortable to do anything about it, which if you're a genuine Marxist I think we can agree on this.

>>11861363
Really, the urbanite aids trannies are going to send bullets flying when the normal people stop them from being a drain on society? Somehow I doubt they will be particularly capable of doing that considering they can't even fucking counter protest without state protection and backing.

>>11861360
And you still assumed liberals to be leftist. So disingenuous.

>I'm just making clear what you're doing in this thread, so that casual onlookers aren't confused by your vague responses and dishonest depiction of the contemporary left.
All they will see is your vague responses and dishonest depiction of the contemporary right.

>>11861366
nobody finds what you're doing cute, it is just vaguely repulsive

>>11861344
>so close to that marxist dystopia I can feel it. jesus christ it's like talking to triggered soccer mums
The leftist views of google's employees have had no effect on teir behavior as a company, right. The seminars they had comforting their employees after the Demore memo, their decisions to remove content from their websites, and their decision to drop a DOD contract had nothing to do with their the political attitudes of their employees, right?

>>11861355
never said it wasn't? I highly suggest reading "capitalist realism" it delves in to this. My point originally was that the idea that marxists run large corps is dumb or that they're subverting them is dumb. Capitalists are there to preserve capitalism, not creat commusism

>>11861373
Progressives own academia, progressives allow Marxists to exist, so Marxists still exert some influence. What do you not get about this? It is extremely simple

>>11861338
>all rub shoulders comfortably
No they hate each other and constantly write stuff against each other. Do you actually read what is written? Oh wait ...

>>11861373
Well, yes actually. Communal worship of the state religion fosters group cohesion and effective social integration. We do the same bullshit now except instead of Roman saluting to a figure of strength we bow down to cat ladies, faggots and aids niggers.

>>11861386
>constantly write stuff against each other.
as oppose to physically attack and ostracize, kick out of academia, which is what they do to Fascists

do you not see the difference? their 'hate' for each other is clearly a meme in comparison with how they unite to attack the far right

>>11861380
>>11861365

>>11861381
A company having political opinions is normal you dunce. They're run of the mill liberals out to preserve capitalism. Not some marxist coup that you reatards think.

>>11861392
Just because they all dislike you doesnt mean they are united under one roof retard

>>11861383
Global capitalism and Marxism are fundamentally indistinguishable in a defacto sense, and pretty much have been since the Warburgs bankrolled Trotsky. They preach different sides of the same coin.

>>11861391
>we bow down to cat ladies, faggots and aids niggers.
rent free lmao. keep thinking about fags 24/7

>>11861379
>And you still assumed liberals to be leftist. So disingenuous.
I'm stating the fact that left liberals are leftists. I at least have an understanding of the diversity found in both liberalism and leftism and where the two intersect in in practice.
>All they will see is your vague responses and dishonest depiction of the contemporary right.
I don't think I've seen any statements about the composition of the contemporary right in this thread.

>>11861395
They are absolutely united, that's how social groups work you fucking dipshit, they all let each other exist and continue to do their work, while frantically eradicating anything right wing

Onyl a fucking retard could miss the forest for the trees here

>>11860546
If I run a country with leftist economics, with leftist social policies, is that country then right wing becuase I ruled it as a dictator?

>>11861397
>Global capitalism and Marxism are fundamentally indistinguishable
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH WHAT THE FUCK. LOOK AT THIS DUDE. HOW DO PEOPLE BECOME LIKE THIS

>>11861409
by not caring about being fashionable but actually thinking about things

>>11861403
>that's how social groups work you fucking dipshit, they all let each other exist and continue to do their work, while frantically eradicating anything right wing
No they are not? They just have a common enemy. All fascists, monarchists and conservatives have a common enemy in marxism but that doesnt make them the same.

>>11861383
>he still thinks it's about methods of distributing wealth

>>11861375
Anyone who isn't blind can agree with the second part. However, I can't help but laugh at the idea of the state serving the people, when to go with your German example, the left-wing parties had more votes than the Nazis in the last free elections, and communist and social democratic resistance had to be dealt with by the Gestapo. I guess the state is serving the people by going against its wishes.
While fascism may have been in theory, as in the manifesto of the fasci di combattemento, both anti-communist and anti-capitalist, wherever it came about it did so with the support of the social elites, and it served them during its reign. Stop this whole fascism is for the whole nation bullshit, please.


>>11861385
We've gone from literally controlling all the major corporations by way of infiltration to having influence by way of existing, which for Marxism and academia has been the case for a hundred years, since Marx is an relevant writer in many fields.
:thinking:

>>11861397
>Global capitalism and Marxism are fundamentally indistinguishable
This might be the most incorrect thing I've read on this website, possible ever

>>11861415
Thanks Seneca

>>11861416
and history is made by people making alliances against common enemies. The history of the modern world is left wing people overthrowing the right in all institutions.

it is onyl marxists, who insist on an archaic and retconned definition of what the Left is, that fail to understand this. Progressives are very aware that they are in charge, the phrase 'the wrong side of history' shows exactly how powerful they feel.

>>11861415
They both don't wanna hang trannies and brown people, basically the same

>>11861415
>the people won the means of production, stateless. Capitalist owns the means of production, the state exists
yeh this is the same thing. explain you're in depth thinking here anon. i gotta see this shit

>>11861409
By looking at reality as it is.

>>11861402
>I'm stating the fact that left liberals are leftists. I at least have an understanding of the diversity found in both liberalism and leftism and where the two intersect in in practice.
You clearly don't considering the bullshit you are spewing ITT. You are insisting that liberals in >>11860576 are somehow leftists ( but conveniently not DSA or IWW members) like the disigneous preacher you are.

>about the composition of the contemporary right in this thread.
You did by pretending fascism to be counter culture.

>>11861430
Marxist irl arent about the people, they in practice wind up like the USSR or Cuba

>>11861421
>I guess the state is serving the people by going against its wishes.
You make the mistake of believing that what the people want is what's best for them. I get the feeling you're the type of person to chastise people for voting against "their economic interests.

>>11861421
>mommy i want the whole bag of candy
>no timmy u can only have one piece
>timmy grows up to be not a fat retard, the end
fascism is the only realistic post-enlightenment system

>>11861432
fascism is obviously more counter culture than fucking marxism, which is like your grandmother's grandmother's ideology at this point, and a afixture of our culture

>>11861427
>archaic and retconned definition of what the Left is
Not even liberals and progressives considers themselves to be this since they constantly distance and shit on leftists. Just look at the hate Corbyn gets from the Guardian.

>>11861427
>The history of the modern world is left wing people overthrowing the right in all institutions.
he says as america invades everywhere that isn't capitalist or sanctions anywhere that isn't capitalist. liberals are just slightly more left than republicans. fuck the jews go you guys good

>>11861431
>my whole entire thinking process is defined by meme images
that is some in depth thinking there anon. i was hoping you would at least refernce a book, on /lit/, but ok

>>11861431
>Corporations trying to profit from a current trend in society=Destroying private property
Doing a BIG think

>>11861443
the term left wing did not orignally refer to Marxists, it referred to the Republicans in the French Revolution, ie. anti-monarchists, this obviusly includes neolibs

>>11861440
>fascism is obviously more counter culture than fucking marxism
So you admit to making a statement of the contemporary right in this thread?

>>11861434
and this addresses my point.......how? You're just giving your definition of marxism

>>11861450
1871 happened you fucking retard

>>11861448
bro pandering to retards IS LITERALLY COMMUNISM

>>11861458
changes nothing about what left wing means you seething marxist

>>11861435
I guess that having Germany split in two and the deaths of millions of Germans really was the best for all of them
>>11861437
I am convinced that your iq is equivalent to absolute zero

>>11861460
>Tech capitalists just so happen to censor the same opinions as academics and State department
really makes you think

>>11861432
>You clearly don't considering the bullshit you are spewing ITT. You are insisting that liberals in >>11860576 are somehow leftists ( but conveniently not DSA or IWW members) like the disigneous preacher you are.
They're leftists because they're on the side of the political left. There's no proof that they are necessarily liberals either. The red and black flags in the bottom left pic indicate that she's an ancom. If you can't understand how these groups interact in the political arena, you're hopeless.
>You did by pretending fascism to be counter culture.
Counter culture takes many forms. I can't think of any ideology that generates quite the backlash from our cultural elites that fascism does. Fascism certainly benefited the elites in a time when they profited primarily from national economies, but in an era where the elites benefit from globalism, it's an absolute threat.

>>11861422
What is the "rent" economy present in ride-sharing, Zipcar, centralized apartment apps, bike sharing, SAS, etc except the transition from personally owned property to communally used property. Instead of a centralized party who maintains sovereignty over the property, it is now a mercantile object but for the proletariat it doesn't really matter whether the durable goods they rent belong to a bolshevik Jew who works for the government or a bolshevik Jew who works for an Alphabet subsidiary. As this becomes more prevalent throughout more of the social "market", they effectively approach the same social order.