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The Alt Right is the most transparent organization in the history of scams, insofar as its shameless appropriation of respectable thinkers to suit its own intellectually bunk ideological agenda goes.

>>11858488
>its shameless appropriation of respectable thinkers
yeah the academic left would never do such a thing and then justify it by saying the author is dead

>>11858494
Let's not move the goalposts here. Heidegger actually WAS a Nazi--but the Alt Right doesn't go around digging up records of his relationship with the National Socialists. Instead, they just quote him incessantly and offer no real insight into his thinking. Countless books have been written about Heidegger and a lot of them are actually, you know, scholarly works worthy of consultation. The Alt Right has produced nothing of this caliber. The "academic left," as you call anyone employed at a university or college, has.
So have plenty of decent right-wing intellectual movements. The difference is that the Alt Right is a ridiculous farce.

>>11858488
Please go, moron.

I believe the author did his dissertation on Heidegger as well.

>>11858514
Then why is he writing screeds for Counter Currents?

>>11858505
You're a jew aren't you?

>>11858523
He runs Counter Currents.

>>11858469
This is why Heidegger and continental philosophy are just a bunch of charlatans

>>11858488
>>11858505
I think the alt-right is a joke as well, but dont kid yourself into thinking that their fanfiction of Heidegger is any less than yours or "the left"

>>11858505
I mean i dont really disagree with that, but some random guy writing on countercurrents, is that the 'altright'? I thought altright was a bit more populist than that, and wouldnt have outright antisemitism in it for example. Like trump is their figurehead right? Trump is obviously in bed with many Jews

These views are simply not allowed in academia, so you just have thiese fringe outcasts writing self-published books and blogs. Well i guess there a few exceptions like Kevin Macdonald worked within the academic system for a while.

>>11858529
That's even more pathetic.
>>11858554
Nobody said anything about "the left" other than the people trying to move goalposts.

>>11858554
Just because Heidegger doesn't know shit about politics doesn't mean he doesn't have insight into Ontology.

>>11858488
The [insert any political movement that the speaker disagrees with] is the most transparent organization in the history of scams, insofar as its shameless appropriation of respectable thinkers to suit its own intellectually bunk ideological agenda goes.
*ftfy

>>11858559
>These views aren't allowed in academia
>In the lecture “The Danger,” Heidegger claims that the essence of death has nothing to do with “hundreds of thousands” dying “en masse” in “extermination camps” and man-made famines.[2] The essence of death, in short, is not to be found in actual deaths.
That's not a controversial opinion, that's an interpretation of a text. Counter Currents is an Alt Right website. Anyone affiliated with it is affiliated with the Alt Right. Fuck off.

>>11858561
Correct, I was referring to whatever it is they are trying to get at, whatever that is. Whatever they consider not them

>>11858559
One of the central pillars of the alt right is awareness of the jewish problem.
>>11858561
CC is a successful site/publication with a treasure trove of quality high-brow content.

>>11858572
He doesnt have insight into ontology

Husserl, hes just a mystic

>>11858559
Yeah, he's a retard who believes that homophobia is a Jewish conspiracy and that societies should just ban everything they don't like.
For someone who claims to understand Heidegger and Plato he's quite the fool. Never trust a Dionysian who doesn't drink.

>>11858575
are you saying that traditional neo-nazi groups are part of the altright, what does the term even mean then? They were just the right all along

I thought the altright was people like Milo, i mean there has to be an 'alt' component to it. Being an antisemitc monarchist or whatever is not alt, that's just normal right wing stuff and always has been. you could quote Carlyle and come to the same position

>>11858574
The Alt-right doesn't have any powerful or charismatic figures behind it.
>>11858586
Well idk, i've only read part of Being and Time, and it seems decent but I do agree it has the air of "oh you can't deconstruct being into it's parts"

>>11858595
I think you're arguing in bad faith. Stop replying to me.

>>11858588
"Second, intolerance of homosexuality is Jewish."

>>11858595
Alt-right are a coalition of anti-establishment groups on the Right willing to ask the JQ.

>>11858615
I'd say it's more that they were willing to approach young closeted homosexuals and ask them for money to support a grassroots media campaign

>>11858621
Oh look a kike who shills on 8pol.

>>11858637
Oh boy
It's been almost 2 years and you motherfuckers are still mad about having your shilling operation thrown into the light
Thanks for confirming my suspicions that a group of queers in a discord server are coordinating this thread
>inb4 you invite your buttbuddies to come to your defense
You can call me a Jew all you want but you're wrong :^)

>>11858599
>The Alt-right doesn't have any powerful or charismatic figures behind it.
And? First off, That's a non-sequitur. Secondly, I'm guessing you're using the fact that there aren't presently any heavy hitting self-identifying "alt-right" (which if you're using that term to just mean far-right then you're wrong) philosophers as proof that they "appropriate respectful thinkers".
Please, show me the philosophical giants behind any of the weird internet political movements.

>>11858645
>Please, show me the philosophical giants behind any of the weird internet political movements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavoj_zizek

>>11858603
lmao the absolute fragility of you idiots, this is why you lose all your spaces that dont explicitly censor opposing views

>>11858642
Don't even know what you're referring to. I just know where you got that image, and if you aren't actually a kike you're a useful idiot doing their bidding. Probably some miserable hapa mystery meat, part mestizo on the low end of the IQ spectrum too stupid to realize who's pulling your strings.

>>11858658
>traditionalists using nigger horde invasion tactics
Nice work.

>>11858663
>Don't even know what you're referring to.
Oh yeah, sure

>>11858665
Hey he's the one unwilling to have a conversation

I didn't even say I identified as a traditionalist

>>11858647
>Zizek
Zizek comes from a much older intellectual tradition and isn't affiliated a movement a kin to the "alt-right"
>Land
This is a much better example but doesn't really work with the right vs left paradigm. How do you classify Nick Land in that paradigm? You really can't.

Goddamn I thought this was gonna be a thread about Heidegger.

>>11858670
I'm willing to have a conversation, but you're either stupid or dishonest. I'm not interested in your opinions if you're just going to ask loaded questions that are also stupid questions.

>>11858670
Okay, so what's the ideology where you ban alcohol but not faggotry?

>>11858645
Nazi Germany had Heidegger and Nietzsche
>>11858671
Exactly, the movement has to have enough collective reasoning to subsume philosophy into it's body.
>>11858674
Me too, but I don't think the rise of fascism and his philosophy are entirely disconnected.

>>11858671
Nick Land is pretty clearly championed by the far right and no platformed by anarchists and marxists and the like. I think the only fans he has on the Left are accelerationists

NIck Land called Moldbug one of the greatest political thinkers of all time

>>11858674
When are discussions here ever about the prescribed topic?

>>11858685
>NIck Land called Moldbug one of the greatest political thinkers of all time
cringe

>>11858685
>NIck Land called Moldbug one of the greatest political thinkers of all time
Accelerating intensifies.

>>11858678
I literally just asked you to define what altright is and you refused and got angry like a baby.

In my mind the ultra far right groups arent in the altright because they dont like Trump and co. It would be like calling Marxists neoliberals or something.

You can agree or disagree, or you can cry and accuse me of being whatever you want, from the outside you just look ridiculous and your posts have no content.

>>11858695
The Alt Right has defined itself already, we don't need to speculate about who or what its a part of it. Stop replying to me.

>>11858698

>>11858469
>In the lecture “The Danger,” Heidegger claims that the essence of death has nothing to do with “hundreds of thousands” dying “en masse” in “extermination camps” and man-made famines.[2] The essence of death, in short, is not to be found in actual deaths.

Here's my take: Heidegger developed the idea in B&T (and perhaps earlier?) that in order to have an understanding of death, the individual must understand that understanding. We think we understand death as something that happens to those around us and will certainly also happen to us, but far off into our future.

How we actually experience death (death's essence) is experienced in how we comport ourselves in the tasks we undertake for which there is an implicit endpoint that informs our actions, a being-towards-the-end. This is death's essence, "death is a way to be" rather than an expiration of our organism.

Heidegger highlighted the importance of a "publicness" to our being, where we substitute or are "represented by" others but this substitutability breaks down when it comes to death.

Death is in each case mine. pic unrelated

>>11858695
>ultra far right
You mean wanting what is natural and was standard for all of history in white territories.

>>11858695
The alt-right is correct in its harsh, anti-PC realism. It is misguided in its nihillistic, materialistic fundamental pressupositions.

>>11858698
>Stop replying to me.
top kek then why are you posting? you guys are too much

there are multiple groups that have claimed to define waht the altright is, there is no leader, and the term is used far more often as a vague epithet than by the people who are being called it.

>>11858713
You can also stop replying to me

>>11858720
make me bitch

>>11858708
I honestly do not care, I dont give a shit what happens to my country or western civilization, I just find the absolute butthurt of leftists impossible not to make fun, like this guy we have itt offering these vague accusations of 'arguing in bad faith', not replying to the content of anything, and then saying 'stop replying to me'. Like what is his purpose other than to serve as a living illustration of flustered rectal regions? And yet he can't help it, he has to come in and make the pretense of being able to engage in discussions that his fragile worldview and hysterical emotional disposition prevent him from properly engaging in.

>>11858739
Bro it's the internet, we know you don't actually give a shit

>>11858739
>I dont give a shit what happens to my country or western civilization,
then you should leave and stop bringing down your country and western civilization by being a shitskin or irresponsible jackass, and stop posting on a board that is centered around a western art form.

>>11858761
My country has decided what it's going to do, am I supposed to go viigilante on random arabs? theyre just people, sure they dont belong, but theye here now, what exactly do you propose we do about this?

Either slow decay, collapse, or a coup by some extremist group. I am not going to be involved in any of it, so why should i care? I am a random serf and everybody else with their 'political opinions' are as well.

There is a spenglerian quality to this that denies the possibility of some faggot altering the course of world history by larping as his given ideology

>>11858782
>There is a spenglerian quality to this that denies the possibility of some faggot altering the course of world history by larping as his given ideology
this but emphatically

>>11858782
It's weak bitches like you who drag the rest of us down so I agree you should not pass on your genes and spend your life doing nothing about the problem.

>>11858794
Shouldn't you be cleaning your room?

>>11858706
>"death is a way to be"
How to do that? When I ask myself, "what should I do if I am to die tomorrow", what highlight itself to me should be what I pursue?

>>11858494
it's been the trend for a long time already to reject death of the author. you'd know that if you'd actually read leftist stuff, their focus nowadays is always on the author and where they came from

>>11859222
that's still actually rejecting the author, you arent engaging with their works as they meant them to be read, you are contextualizing the work with the gay framework you have built up of 'social analysis' and then reinterpreting them through that