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if so, what are your favorites?

do you notice parallels in classic canonical literature, and classical music?

>> No.11857842
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>>11857816
Yes, my favorite composers would have to be Chopin and Debussy.
Favorite pieces:
>Nocturne No. 2 in E flat major, Op. 9,2
>Waltz No. 7 in C sharp minor Op. 27,1
>Clair De Lune
>Debussy Arabesque

>> No.11857843

Erik Satie is pretty good

some Mozart and Bach is good but a lot of it is shite

some classical music is extremely moving. most of it is kind of bland

seem to have trouble sifting through the crap to find the gems

all art is like this though

>> No.11857852

>>11857816
yeah i love classical music, my favorite are Handel and Bach, and I like most of the Baroque era stuff up until Haydn.

The other group i like are the turn of century Russians like Rimsky-Korsakov and Kalinnikov

I will listen to all sorts of shit though from Hildegard von Bingen, Tallis, to Mozart and Beethoven, Schubert, Belioz, Dvorak, Wagner, Chopin, Ravel, Satie, Shostakovich, there isn't really a period I particulalry dont like, although i dont know really any post 1960 classical

I find it hard to draw comparison between the two. I associate Goethe with Beethoven, and Mozart with french playwrights like Racine, and similar sort of little connections but I cannot actually account for this in a theoretical way, it's just a feeling.

>> No.11857865

give me yr choicest jazz reccs, i refuse to go to /mu/

>> No.11857872

>>11857852
what are your favorite pieces?

also everyone else that posts, i would appreciate you putting your favorite pieces very much. I will listen to all of them and put them into a youtube playlist

THANK YOU!

>> No.11857882

>>11857865
Take Five by Dave Brubeck is my all time favorite

Saint and Sinner Lady by Mingus I also like

Coltrane is pretty boss too, I also like Django Reinhardt

>> No.11857892

Wagner, Mozart, Schoenberg, Scriabin, and Ives are my favorites.

>> No.11857896

>>11857882
Same anon. Blue Rondo Alla Turka is my favorite track on Take Five. Also a big fan of Mingus, esp. Ah Um.. I've just begun his "autobiography," looks like it will be a fun if frivolous read. Do you have any early jazz reccs? The earliest figure I really "know" is Charlie Parker.

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>>11857865
Stop listening to jazz.

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>>11857865
Stop listening to jazz.

>> No.11857916

>>11857896
I've tried plowing through the history of jazz and its difficult because a lot of it is a lot less appealing than the best stuff that is out there in the complete history of jazz, at least to me

>> No.11857917

>>11857872
Bach- Chaconne from a Partita, played by Arthur Grumiaux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS052hEy1Dk
Handel - Passacaglia played by an orchestra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU6e4HWXv5k
Rimsky-Korsakov Fantasia on Russian themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB0IHPGuTFo
Kalinnikov- Movement 2 from Symphony 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E11v2sh4PD8

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>>11857865
Aurora - Jean-Luc Ponty
Hot Rats - Frank Zappa
Blue Matter - John Scofield
Witch Hunt - Wayne Shorter
Song of Innocence - David Axelrod
Headhunters - Herbie Hancock
Bags and Trane - Milt Jackson and John Coltrane
Scenery - Ryo Fukui
Friday Afternoon in the Universe - Medeski, Martin, and Wood

>> No.11857921

Baroque, Romantic and Modernist, yes, Classica, almost none.

So basically jerk off to anything Bach touched (DHA FUCKING CHACONNA THO), Händel, Lizst, Beethoven, Rachmaninov, Schubert, Tarrega, no need to go on

Just dont listen to Mozart, most overrated musician in all music history

>> No.11857923

I've always liked this for some reason:
https://youtu.be/FIDTah3SvCU

>> No.11857924

>>11857902
this guy was prolly just cucked by dudes who could really play good music

listening to take five pretty much strengthens my belief in utopia instead of weakening it

>> No.11857928

>>11857917
The Hilary Hann rendition is miles better

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>>11857865
You need to stop.

>> No.11857936

i don't really care for classical music but i do love Tarrega and classical guitar.
>>>/mu/

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>>11857918
>Song of Innocence - David Axelrod
Fucking nice, but I wouldn't call it jazz, anon. Have you heard this?

>> No.11857941

>>11857928
I don't think so, but are free to

>> No.11857943

I love Camille Saint-Saens

>> No.11857944
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>>11857924
>jazz
>good
>not schmazz
Not even once.
https://youtu.be/WB6Ix1sw0iI

>> No.11857945

>>11857924
If your sense of Utopia is some sort of Brave New World consumer nightmare.

>> No.11857948

>>11857865
https://youtu.be/_1Rn7ZnQVEY
https://youtu.be/udluB_1WudI

>> No.11857952

>>11857865
Just listen to both Locomotion (Coltrane) and Kind of Blue (Davis), if you dont like those give up on jazz, if you do just try some more albums by them, after that Duke Ellington, Thelanious Monk, etc.

>> No.11857957

>>11857916
Yeah I mean I don't really care for vocal jazz or anything pre-1935. I'm talking between swing and bebop/modal jazz, what's going on there I have no idea. I listen mostly to Coltrane/Coleman/Mingus/Davis/Monk/Hancock and a little bit of Ellington and Parker

>> No.11857958

>>11857940
No but it looks interesting I’ll listen to it thanks Anon

>> No.11857966

>>11857816
This gunna get delete

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>>11857918
>>11857940
Find another thread, please. This is a No Jazz Zone.

>> No.11857971

>>11857952
Imagine that I already have listened to baby's first jazz albums. I already like jazz. What are your favorites?

>> No.11857978

>>11857970
>implying any regular of this board could finish reading, let alone understand, Aesthetic Theory or anything written by Adorno

>> No.11857980

>>11857970
>>11857944
>>11857914
>>11857902
>being this dumb

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11857983

gonna read these lads. what am i in for?
also what's with the tangentially literature related threads (especially on film)? go to a dedicated board.

>> No.11857984

>>11857966
Always remember: Jazzfags ruin everything.
https://youtu.be/RTJf9WS7fi8

>> No.11857986

>>11857948
this is good. wish there was more jazz guitar (fuck Jeff Beck)

>> No.11857988

>>11857966
why?

>> No.11857995

>>11857980
>listening to unironic machine runaway music unironically
https://youtu.be/d075v_dl6lc

>> No.11857996

>>11857983
go look in /mu/ and /tv/ and try to ask them for recommendations of high art

it is so frustrating that its a complete waste of time and effort. already in this thread there is so much gold

>> No.11857997

>>11857978
Minima Moralia isn't a hard read by any means.

>> No.11857998

>>11857988
Mods are fagrets

>> No.11858005

>>11857971
They're not baby's first albums, they're masterpieces, not mere introductions.

>> No.11858006

>>11857917
just watched the first one

fucking sublime, thank you so much

>> No.11858008

>>11857997
you must not come here often

>> No.11858011

>>11857998
Didn't they ban shadowjack?

>> No.11858015

>>11858005
Anon are you being pedantic? I know they're good. My point is I've already listened to them. What else would you recommend? My favorite Coltrane is Giant Steps or A Love Supreme and my favorite Miles is In a Silent Way or Kind of Blue.

>> No.11858016

>>11857843
>some Mozart and Bach is good but a lot of it is shite

Absolutely contrarian taste

>> No.11858020

>>11857996
/classical/ know much better composers and can talk about them in detail. you just want to talk to like-minded pseuds and pat yourself on the back. already the plebby avant-teen mindset is showing in this thread.

>> No.11858023

>>11857943
Patrician

>> No.11858032

>>11857978
I unfortunately have. Adorno's like a lead singer who never feels secure around a drummer.

>> No.11858036

>>11858016
Bach is the most overrated composer of all time.

>> No.11858044

>>11857978
and that's a good thing!

>> No.11858046

>>11857816
https://youtu.be/jTk7lP9ScVI?t=1s
this is my favorite of all time

>> No.11858050

This is truly patrician-level:
https://youtu.be/w59e20ijOpE

>> No.11858057

>>11858036
>Liking Mozart
>Disliking Bach
Yeah you probably have heard virtually nothing in your entire life

>> No.11858060

>>11858020
/classical/ ?? wtf u talkn bout m8? also why do u have to be a cunt, just lookin for good music here

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11858061

Was he the Goat /lit/??

>> No.11858065

>>11858057
disliking either of them is a sign that the perosn in question does not have fully functioning ears or is just trying to be contrarian

>> No.11858069

Some elitists claim that Ravel is baby tier classical music, but I don't give a fuck, this is majestic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovfu-5RO278

>> No.11858077

>>11858057
>overrated
>dislikes
Learn to read, Bachlieber. The hubris of the fanboys speaks volumes.

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>>11857816
professional classical musician here. personal favorites are: Machaut, Byrd, Bach, Haydn, Berlioz, and Hindemith.

ofc there are parallels, sometimes direct and deliberate ones (eg the Romantics.)

>> No.11858136

Why was Vivaldi so superior to Bach?https://youtu.be/7v8zxoEoA_Q

>> No.11858188

I hate romanticism, whether it be music, literature or anything. It started out allright actually but it just kept getting more and more intolerable, Beethoven deserved his reputation but Nielsen or Strauss is intolerable to me. I also don't quite get Mozart and Classicism, listening to it often feels like someone pouring milk mixed with mostly water in my mouth for no reason whatsoever, even though I think Piano Concerto 24 is the greatest composition I've heard. You need to have a pretty good memory for music to truly get classical music I feel, "intelligence" doesn't mean much.

>> No.11858194

The Virgin Bach
>comes at end of era
>creates nothing new
>just turning convention into a complex mess
>the 80s progressive rock of his time
>relies on conservative revisionists to politicise his 'greatness'

The Chad Vivaldi
>comes in the middle of an era
>pushes the style forward while creating new composition methods
>is not constrained by convention
>the 60s hard rock and proto-punk of its time
>greatness exists beyond the need of politics

>> No.11858196

>>11858188
Mozart is very subtle so plebs who require bombast or simple beauty will shit on him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E11v2sh4PD8
i dont understand how anyone can carefully listen along to a piece like this and not be in awe of it

>> No.11858222

>>11858188
>Romantic
>Nielsen
>Strauss
???????????

>> No.11858277

>>11858188
The romantics were the greatest. Music is about POWER! Dvorak! Sibelius! Mahler! Rachmaninoff! Bruckner! Imagine that I am yelling these names with enthusiasm and reverence.

Strauss and Nielsen were modernists.

>> No.11858294

in awe at the modulations of this lad:
https://youtu.be/NBNquKkKcF4

>> No.11858295

>>11858196
I feel it I do, it's just that I get tired of the feeling itself, "awe" or it's "sublimity" very quickly.

>> No.11858325

>>11858069
Pavane for a Dead Princess is beautiful, who cares what anyone says

>> No.11858334

>>11858295
I wasnt calling you a pleb, just saying that the common sentiment of 'mozart is boring and predictable' is not based in reality. If you just dont like Mozart then that'S whatever, that's taste

>> No.11858347

In absolute awe to the juxtaposition of the texts lads. Bach btw.

https://youtu.be/ONE0s528hl0

>> No.11858348

>>11857816
>does /lit/ lie classical music

yes

>do you notice parallels in classic canonical literature, and classical music?

no. What a stupid question

>> No.11858360

>>11857940
Honestly this album was the logical conclusion to prog
They should have stopped there

>> No.11858365

>>11858347
I’ve been listening to this and thinking about death a lot these last days.

>> No.11858377

Classical is the only kind of music I enjoy, but I listen to it infrequently, get bored after like half an hour, and am just about musically illiterate.

I reckon I'm just autistic.

>> No.11858389

Pop pleb here, what is some classical music that is relatively short and built around a strong hook? Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM

>> No.11858405

>>11858389
you might like Chopin. also, listen to this: https://youtu.be/DJvniUzPoDU

>> No.11858409

>>11858377
that is pretty weird man. You seriously dont like any pop music?

>> No.11858418

>>11858389
It's often called a "dance", afaik Brahms Hungarian Dances are famous.

>> No.11858426

>>11858389
Mozart Lacrimosa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oESM64gU5M

Bach air on G
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RYSQvrUrc

Beethoven Moonlight sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-MT5zeY6CU

John Tavener Funeral Canticle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCxDZaWRAvo

Vivaldi Winter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZCfydWF48c

These are all very popular on youtube

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Stop listening to classical:
https://youtu.be/r-kAnNgqN9o

>> No.11858434

>>11858409
No, and until I was like sixteen, I pretty much listened to no music at all.

>> No.11858436

>>11857843
You just have shit taste. It'll improve.

>>11857852
>I associate Goethe with Beethoven, and Mozart with french playwrights like Racine
This is a pretty good comparison, as far as the stylistic eras go. The former are

>>11858069
https://youtu.be/GWmTTudtlbY
didn't listen to much Ravel, but this one is my personal fav

>>11858389
Vivaldi and Orff's Carmina Burana are perfect for what you're looking for. Make sure you delve further into the music, though, don't let it all be just the immediately easy stuff.

>>11857816
>parallels in classic canonical literature, and classical music
One parallel that I find interesting is the reception of modern poetry and modern classical. They are both criticized for abandoning the essential elements of the classical forms (tonality, structure, fixed rhyme and meter, elevated style...) and generally seen as very difficult to comprehend. Same goes for visual arts. They are often considered to take no effort - except when it comes to music. People may call Pollock or Rupi Kaur lazy and untalented, but almost nobody would say that about Webern or Stockhausen, no matter how little they enjoy their music. They'd call them hacks, but would never question the effort behind the work and talk about the techniques.
I believe that music theory is actually too abstract and foreign to too many people, it seems mystical, so they don't dare talk too much about it. They also don't have to actually understand Mozart and Bach and all those meme composers, they can just accept them as great because they sound relatively pleasant, and they can put them on in the background to relax or go act like faggots at a posh music hall, without having to meaningfully interact with the art.
Poetry on the other hand is based on language that everyone understands, and drawing is what everyone tried to do as kids, so these art forms feel more relatable. If I couldn't draw realistically, then it must be the job of a painter to draw realistically. If I couldn't find rhymes, it must be the job of a poet to find them. But composers are beyond this...

>thread devolving into classical vs modern art shitflinging in 3 2 1...

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>>11858436
>comparing pollock with rupi kahr

>> No.11858458

>>11858405
>>11858418
>>11858426
>>11858436
Thanks senpaitachi.

>> No.11858470

>>11858456
>MUH FEELZ
Literally all it is.

>> No.11858473

>>11858436
I love dances and Carmina Burana, so he might also want to look into folk music:
https://youtu.be/fv4eW1CZZBM

>> No.11858474

>>11858456
I didn't compare them, you stupid nigger.

>> No.11858475

>>11858434
Some people are tone deaf which limits music appreciation. Test yourself

>> No.11858511

get fucking wrecked, plebs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CfWAfmRHZw

>> No.11858569

>>11858511
Bruckner is so underappreciated

>> No.11858578

>>11858475
I'm not tone deaf, just autistic like I said.

>> No.11858604

>>11858578
I remember as a child I used to pretend to only like classical music. Maybe it's a case of self-deception.

>> No.11858608

I occasionally get obsessed with short soundtrack pieces like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9EF3p2up7I

>> No.11858631

>>11858604
Or maybe you should stop trying to diagnose me with bizarre pathologies over the Internet.

>> No.11858680

>>11858631
Buddy I'm trying to help you; I'm reaching out to you across a vast gulf of ignorance and darkness. If you can't enjoy music that's your fucking loss m80. I can't describe to you the solace it's given me.

>> No.11858743

>>11857842
excellent bait my friend

>> No.11859313

>>11858680
virgin cosumerist armchair psychologist pseud
>>11858631
chad autist rejecting psychology and popular music jew

>> No.11859334

i like berg and webern and bach and some other guys nobody cares about

>> No.11859336

>>11857816
Love Schubert's chamber music.

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>>11857902
>>11857914
Ok.

>> No.11859644

>>11857816
american nightmare - background music

>> No.11859646

>>11858604
I was the same when I was a kid

>> No.11859659

>>11857865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqsSv7c0_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-b75UaJvgs

>> No.11859664

>>11857986
See>>11859659

>> No.11859924

>>11857957
I've sampled all those artists but they don't stick out the same way to me, truth is though I am very, very seldom in a jazz mood so I don't get much repeated listening and its seems sometimes to me that I appreciate certain music more and more upon repeated listenings

if I'm in a jazz mood I'll usually go for the ones I know I like, but the same ol' gets boring sometimes and gotta try new stuff out

what are your favorite albums of those artists specifically?

>> No.11859934

>>11858436
this is a really, really great post

>> No.11859939

>>11857816
A girl once picked me to be her partner for her own cotillion, and ever since then I've been hooked on waltzes. It's one thing to listen to waltz, but it's a totally different experience when you're dancing with a woman. Highly recommend it, boys.

>> No.11859945

posting best russian composer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE-riazUvJE

>> No.11859963

>>11859945
That's not Schnittke.

>> No.11859967

Stop listening to Bach

>> No.11859982

>>11859963
>implying Schnittke wrote anything as sublime as Le Poeme de l'Extase

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1dSgQ8LV4o

>> No.11859988

>>11859939
Damn that's amore
Tell me more

>> No.11860004

>>11857843

what bach works do you enjoy, which ones are not shite to you ? I'm legit curious to know what are the gems to someone who finds "most of his work" shite.

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>>11859967
NEVER!!!!!

>> No.11860040

>>11860026
>fathered 20 kids
>fought off a gang with a sword
>wrote one cantata a week
>could effortlessly improvise fugues
>got into trouble with his employers for bringing women into his organ loft

what a chad

>> No.11860046

>>11857865
>I refuse to go to /mu/
Just skip the middleman and go right to rym

>> No.11860052

Music is a lot more subjective than literature. Liking sophisticated classical arrangements is no better than liking pop music.

>> No.11860056

>>11857995
I really like this

>>11857984
I also really like this

thank you for posting

>> No.11860095

>>11860052
>classical arrangements
Arrangements of classical-era repertoire? Why so specific, anon?
>no better than liking pop music.
Wrong. Read Adorno -- pop music is intellectual slavery.

>> No.11860116

>>11857816
Anyone else here really diggin madrigals? Love reading them and all the references from classical mythology.

>> No.11860123 [DELETED] 

>>11860095
Beatles. Beach Boys. Beck. Autechre. My Bloody Valentine. Kraftwerk. Tori Amos. Deerhoof. Pavement. Todd Rundgren. To name but a few of the pop greats, if we're using a wide definition of pop. Don't these musicians too explore, each in their own way, heretofore unknown territories of the soul? Is their music tainted just because it happens to use
a barbaric percussive beat? C'mon now.

>> No.11860131

>>11860116
Gesualdo is my favourite madrigalist. Luca Marenzio is great too. I really like the chromaticism of the mannerist composers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJlj1uy8cSA

>> No.11860133

>>11860095
Beatles. Beach Boys. Beck. Autechre. My Bloody Valentine. Kraftwerk. Tori Amos. Deerhoof. Pavement. Todd Rundgren. To name but a few of the pop greats, if we're using a wide definition of pop. Don't these musicians too explore, each in their own way, heretofore unknown territories of the soul? Is their music tainted just because it happens to use a barbaric percussive beat? C'mon now.

>> No.11860141

>>11860133
>Is their music tainted just because it happens to use a barbaric percussive beat?

Yes.

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>> No.11860162

>>11860131
Yeah I like reading the poems while listening to Gesualdo to get a sense of his strong word-painting. But for me, nothing beats Monteverdi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ZX5hFN-is

>> No.11860171

>>11858061
He was. The world only had one composer, Mahler, just as how the world only produced one epic, the Nibelungenlied.

>> No.11860176

>>11858129
What makes you prefer Haydn to Mozart?

>> No.11860234

>>11857816
Mostly no but I do have a soft spot for Arvo Part.

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>>11858069
>>11858325
Ravel is a great composer, fuck the naysayers.

My list isn't limited to classical, but it's still relevant. I play piano so my list is mostly piano pieces I've learned or wish to learn.

Ravel: Le tombeau de Couperin (specifically Prelude, Forlane, Rigaudon, and Toccata), Pavane pour une infante defunte, jeux d'eau, Sonatine, À la manière de Borodine, Gaspard de la nuit ("le gibet" may seem boring, but it really is a great for reflecting), Miroirs,Ma mere l'oye, serenade gotesque, menuet antique, valses nobles et sentimentales.
Pieces for not only solo piano: Dapnis et Chloe suite 2, 3rd movement of the G Major piano concerto

Liszt: Liebestraum no. 3 (obv), most of the transcendental etudes, Die Zelle in Nonnenwerth, ab irato (short piece, but listen till the end and you'll experience a beautiful mood shift), Un Sospiro (highly recommend Hamelin's interpretation), Mephisto Waltzes no 1 and 2, Consolations (no. 3 is the most popular), Les Jeux D'eau à La Ville D'este (inspired Ravel's "Jeux d'eau"), Orage, valse impromptu, Oubliee no. 1, Soirees de Vienne Valse caprice no.6, romance s.169, nuages gris, Klavierstuck s.193, Harmonies poétiques et religieuses (Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude is especially beauitiful)

Mompou: Paisajes (no.2 is best imo), Secreto (simple and melancholic), Pajaro triste, Impressiones Intimas (somewhat jazzy, but good), El Pont, Jeunes filles au jardin, Suite Compostelana (guitar suite)

Can post more recommendations or composers, but it would take too long and it's late. Here are some other nice songs:

Saint-Saens - "The Swan".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB9VvEubvSU

Astor Piazzolla - "Tango Suite"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMYGeFPxFgU

Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto no.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEGOihjqO9w&t=1362s

>>11859939
Glinka - Valse-fantasie (nice waltz, though idk how well dancing to this would go)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g3xwhh99-c

Debussy - Valse Romantique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGYGRtnYX0c

Prokofiev - Piano Concerto no. 2 in g minor
(fast forward to 5:17 for long piano cadenza w/ nice climatic ending)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcte8hM6kYA&t=1332s

Federico Mompou - Secreto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9CNMcSd8mc

Ravel - Une barque sur l'ocean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2y6MXI-UpI


Any other piano players here?

>> No.11860249

I always come back to this for some reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF4YXv6ZIuE

>> No.11860494

>>11858511
checked

His 9th is one of my favs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6lyIOVcAvc

>> No.11860759

This thread is full of pseuds.
All classical music is goat and should be listened to carefully and paid attention to. Ignoring classicism, Mozart or any big names, because of <insert_cliche_reason> is pseudery. The continuity and development of the artform within classical music is one of the most fascinating phenomena in art.
Go listen to a string quartet.
https://youtu.be/KKvhaBD_lY4

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11860823

>he hasn't yet taken the theosopill
Apply yourself.

>> No.11860973

>>11857842
Piano isn't a musical instrument

>> No.11860985

>>11857865
Don't listen to anyone who recommended Mingus
Listen to Charlie Parker for some Bebop, try bill Evans live at the village vanguard, and miles Davis kind of blue

>> No.11860994

>>11857928
Hilary hahn is shit
Maybe if you like the most boring, least exciting renditions of pieces because 'muh women power'

>> No.11861002

>>11857936
Classical guitar is a garbage instrument and you should feel ashamed for liking it.

>> No.11861011

>>11858129
reminder that you aren't a real musician

>> No.11861315

>>11861011
how will I ever recover

>> No.11861337

>>11861002
>t. pianofag

>> No.11861345

>>11860973
What a pleb.

>> No.11861633

>>11858061
Can't stand him. He was shite.

>> No.11861765

>>11857816
prefer baroque chamber stuff. of course the master js bach...and others like albinoni, Vivaldi, buxtehude, bohm, corelli etc.

lately getting into more romantic stuff. french dudes like debussy, ravel, satie, faure, durufle including vocal sacred music which is neat.

personally, prefer solo, duets, or chamber stuff that feels more intimate. although I respect guys like Mozart and Beethoven I usually just listen to violin sonatas and shit like that.

for bach solo
I think I like the Goldberg variations best. gould's 1981 recording being my favorite.

for duets the violin sonatas with zimmermann and pace.

for a bigger productions the brandenberg concertos or mass in Bm

>> No.11861785

>>11858015
different anon here.

if you like the greasy gritty jazz try money jungle by duke ellington.

try herbie hancock's empyrean isles.

try anything with Charlie parker and dizzy Gillespie together.

honestly...I didn't like him at first...but I've been loving Brubeck a lot. especially the 50s-60s stuff. time out of course...other albums maybe jazz impressions of Eurasia...and pre-time lineup albums from the 50s. pretty much any will do.

for more sentimental stuff...try bill evans. also consider keith Jarrett.

for modern euro stuff...try marcin wasilewski, Tomasz stanko, tord gustavsen, john Abercrombie...ugh too many

>> No.11861786

>>11860823

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9cnyfET1lE

If you're wondering how Ashkenazy sounds so good it's because it's almost a copy of the Richter interpretation, the recording of which is in awful condition.

>> No.11861795

>>11858036
bach is the most performed composer of all time.

consider that it's your opinion that is overrated. I'm not taking it seriously. you shouldn't either.

>> No.11861818

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGHgLvb5PYE

If only B*ch focused on this instead of harmonic autism.

>> No.11862020

/lit/ has shit taste again.

>> No.11862131

>>11860095
what adorno writings would you recommend on the subject?

>> No.11862167

>>11857816
I like everything piano and classical guitar related.

>> No.11862299

>>11861315
Just read some more notes off a page, bud
>>11861337
This is me: >>11860973

>> No.11862303

>>11862020
This. I wish /lit/ was more like /mu/ instead of being so pretentious.

>> No.11862560

>>11860985
>Don't listen to anyone who recommended Mingus
Absolutely plebeian.

>> No.11862569

>>11857816
I'm a fan of Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Schubert, and Mahler in particular, but I also love early music as well as jazz (Coltrane and Brubeck are my two jazz faves).

>> No.11862571

>>11857816
If you like the Piano, listen to Beethoven's Piano Sonata no. 32 and don't ever ever look back

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11862579

Shostakovich Concertos are probably my favourite classical music. Of course also Beethoven late string quartets and all of his symphonies. Bartok is also top tier.

>> No.11862610

>>11860116
I love madrigals and early music in general.
>>11860131
Gesualdo is a god among men, whether it's his sacred or secular music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HIFKBhOV40

>> No.11862644

>>11860973
ahahahahahahahahahahahahah

>> No.11862653

>>11862303
/mu/ is one of the worst boards

>> No.11862678

>>11858061
Kinda jealous that Hitler got to listen to Mahler conduct Wagner in Vienna in his youth and I didn't

>> No.11862833

>>11862653
indeed

>> No.11863155

I really like Schubert

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>>11858436
>One parallel that I find interesting is the reception of modern poetry and modern classical.
considering the names you later drop it'd be nice for you to define modern. you can't mean contemporary because some have been dead a while, nor modern because webern comes from romanticism and expressionism, and stockhausen from webern (to keep it short).
>They'd call them hacks, but would never question the effort behind the work and talk about the techniques.
because lads like pollock, if you mean the drip paintings, were more chance-based (which is a contestable claim too), unlike webern and stockhausen, who seeked to defend an autistically rigorous form, which is more noticeable than that, were it a thing (like i said, contestable), in pollock's drip paintings. just some days ago i was reading about shakespeare's "venus and adonis", then about the sestina, its form, and 2 strikingly different opinions are present in the wikipedia article: for stephen fry, the strenght of the sestina comes from the "repetition and recycling of elusive patterns that cannot be quite held in the mind all at once" but for shanna compton "even someone unfamiliar with the form's rules can tell by the end of the second stanza... what's going on...".
>Poetry on the other hand is based on language that everyone understands, and drawing is what everyone tried to do as kids, so these art forms feel more relatable.
then you haven't read enough poetry nor have seen enough paintings, picrel is by klee, for instance
also, most of this post is based in that you haven't read many negative opinions that disregard the form of composers, which may have to do with you not being actively interested in them, but i, who am a little bit more do see them, often

>> No.11863357

what the actual fuck?!
capricho arabe just appeared in my recommended list and im playing it in the background, and then load /lit/ and see this thread

>> No.11863391

>>11863323
to avoid some possible cheap shots i'd like to add, amongst other things later in the post, that the klee paiting is there to contest what
>If I couldn't draw realistically, then it must be the job of a painter to draw realistically.
implies in addition to
>and drawing is what everyone tried to do as kids
cy twombly, to a lesser extent, could be another example
>nor modern because webern comes from romanticism and expressionism, and stockhausen from webern (to keep it short).
and rupi kaur is contemporary. i've little to say about her
>then you haven't read enough poetry
just look "asemic writing" up if you want an extreme example of what i meant by that

>> No.11863684

>>11863323
>considering the names you later drop it'd be nice for you to define modern
Yeah, I expected this problem. It's meant to be, in this context, modernism+postmodernism+contemporary art. As opposed to basically universally liked "classical" (or, better yet, premodernist) art. I wouldn't say that there has been a truly profound shift in the art paradigm since the start of modernism, so I like to keep this stuff in the same box.

>because lads like pollock, if you mean the drip paintings, were more chance-based, unlike webern and stockhausen, who seeked to defend an autistically rigorous form
Possibly true, the idea that randomness-based art is more prone to criticism. Cage would be an example of that. However, the visual artists who are not working with Pollock-like randomness are despised too. Rhotko, Picasso, Kandinsky, etc. Kandinsky indeed had a fairly developed theory behind his art, the colours, the arguments for abstract art, yet that is ignored completely without problem.

Regarding the rest of your post, Shakespeare and Klee, I don't see any connection of it with what I wrote.

>most of this post is based in that you haven't read many negative opinions that disregard the form of composers, which may have to do with you not being actively interested in them, but i, who am a little bit more do see them, often
I am not musically trained nor am I dedicating a large part of my free time to music, there's that. It is true that I'm rarely seeing critiques of the form of those composers, but that is still not necesarily related to my argument - what I'm talking about is the popular discourse, what is written on the internet by the largest number of people, on /mu/, Youtube and everywhere else. Critiques of the form come from musically seriously educated people, who form a tiny minority and operate on a different level from the "commoners". A few days ago I read a text that discarded Cage's approach to music, in an old ass literary magazine, from a legitimate angle and with fair arguments, written by a serious academic (musician and literary scholar) whose knowledge is, honestly, frighteningly wide. But that's just one guy, with his reasons for such opinions, while Youtube comments and 4chan arguments are a completely different thing, and they are what I was focusing on. Maybe I should've made that more clear in the original post, though I did mention "many people" as the ones talking about art in the ways I described.

>>11863391
Now I understand what you were saying. However, it's still unrelated to my point
People try to draw when they're children, and their purpose is material mimesis. When they don't succeed in that (and most people don't), they start to see that mimesis as the purpose of the craft of painting. That thing is what separates proper artists from the rest
Klee paints JUST LIKE (more or less) how we drew as children, so he is seen as a bad artist by many
>just look asemic writing
Yeah, I know about that already. Same thing

>> No.11863863

>>11863684
elementary school and high school have (or had until last time i checked, which may have changed as they were trying to rule out philosophy) obligatory music classes in the curriculum here, that or art (visual), pretty 50/ 50 if they have both (you pick one after some grade i forgot). also, in my experience, most kids listen to music before they develop an artsy appreciation of language or images (which they may never concretely develop as paintings and books, unlike music, aren't, and haven't been for a while, in vogue outside of certain circles), so they have dislikes and likes they grow up with and get attached to (no one asks what's your favorite genre of literature if they don't know you read but which kind of music you like is a common question as a youngster) and so their reactions are more immediate to the medium, and again, in my experience, even in places like /mu/ or Youtube, i see people call webern and the like shit, without regard for their form. the reason why you see more positive comments is that not much people go out of their way to feel disgusted.
the tangent about shakespeare was an example of recognition of an alien form as a form and how it may vary, the one about asemic writing was about how you claimed
>Poetry on the other hand is based on language that everyone understands
and the one about klee was based on a misunderstanding on my end, as i thought your post implied unfamiliarity with paintings like that

>> No.11863975

>>11863863
i guess that, although i could elaborate on some points and explain the implied or oblique, my main problem with what you claim is that it's a lie, in my life and in all its circles but the academic or art-oriented. i don't see people (other than composers or artists or people into them) giving composers that respect of form along dislike of product more than they would with artists in other mediums, whether theory-heavy or not. those comments of complacency you see i see too, but i also see them for theory-heavy painters like klee, or theory-heavy writers like somo pomos (much less with the latter, btw).