/lit/ - Literature

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>>11842633

One of the almost-forgotten Presocratics about whom we know almost nothing but actually had some neat ideas that never made it into the historical record.

>>11842646
Underrated=/=unrated. This is like the most reddit fucking answer to this question imaginable.
>HURRR ILL BE SMART AND SAY IT WAS SOME GUY WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT
Wow so clever, how many of your own farts did you have to sniff in order to come up with that one?

gorgias
pindar

>>11842654
Well technically underrated=unrated if the person in question is unknown and has good ideas

>>11842691
No it "technically" doesn't. To be underrated is to be rated below where you should be rated. Someone who is entirely unrated cannot be rated below where they should be rated because they are not rated in the first place.

>>11842723
Not true. I would equate underrated with unrated to a certain extent.

>>11842731
Well it's a good thing that how you to a certain extent define words doesn't have any bearing on the what they actually mean.

Sophocles

Most underrated: Anaxagoras (literally the greek Hegel)

Most overrated: Aristotle

>>11842633
Empedocles, he's like a Hindu sage or some shit

>>11842633
Epicurus

>>11842691
Not to drink the Kool-Aid too hard, but Gorgias was a rhetorician and Pindar was a poet. Both put forward interesting ideas, but they consciously did not label themselves philosophers.

>>11843302
op requested greeks

>>11842633
Plotinus. The most recent translation of The Enneads is one of the most interesting work of Greek philosophy I've ever read.

>>11843293
Wow, found the dumb empiricist

>>11843328
Yeah disregard me, mate, I'm drunk and clearly unhelpful.

>>11843392
don't worry, it's ok
honest mistake

Diogenes of sinope

>>11842633
Thales.

>>11843353
i'll go with this

Thales of Miletus, for sure.

>>11843682
This specific version is on libgen unless you are willing to shell out 150$ (scholarship ain't cheap).

>>11842700
>>11842723
>>11842731
>>11842759

Lost fragments of an underrated Platonic dialogue:

>surely the philosopher most underrated would be the best one among those from whom we had not even heard

>what a curious idea, Anonechrymus, that one could be underrated without us ever rating him

>well, if we have not rated him at all, dear Socrates, then surely the gap between his achievements and what we have rated him for is greatest

>ah, so then we should conceive of underrating as a sort of gap between what a man should be rated, and the amount of rating we have currently extended, is this so?

>certainly, it must be so

>then say we select the very wretchedest of men, and suppose that we have never heard of him, is he then underrated, as we have not granted him what pitiful rating he is due?

>an odd way to put it, Socrates, but apparently that must be so

>and yet, had we met him, our esteem for him would surely be lower than what we hold for the name of some stranger about whom we know nothing at all

>i cannot deny this

>this cannot be the true meaning of underrating then, can it, if it applies only to the great and not the lonely

>no it cannot, but as we know our hearts may hold a tepid middle ground between admiration and contempt. perhaps underrating applies only to admiration not due, but never to contempt not due, such that a miserable wretch about whom we knew nothing would in fact be overrated?

>this seems like a much more promising line of thought, Anonechrymus, but tell me, how might we know where exactly this middle ground is, the point where contempt stops and admiration begins? these would seem to make the greatest difference to what we consider overrated and underrated. do you have a way to discern this?

>>11842700
no it doesn't, underrated means they were rated lower than they deserve, but if no one rates them at all then by definition they cannot be underrated

>>11843353
but he is very highly rated

the correct answer is plutarch who is only highly rated as a historian (for literary reasons, his work is not considered accurate) while his philosophy is mostly ignored

>>11843830
I agree, Moralia is something I want to read but I haven't been able to purchase it yet.

>>11842633
The most highly rated are usually Heraclitus and Plotinus.

So maybe Parmenides?

>>11842645
t. Frederick Ludendorff Johanson

Plato
>but hes highly rated
and yet still underrated

Probably a Helot whose name and deeds were never recorded
Or the guy who decided it was a good idea to negotiate a truce between two states lasting a century from the date it was agreed upon, but in a society without dates or a real calendar

>>11843375
If you believe in something without empirical evidence then you are the retard.

Plutarch

>>11843278
>>11843293
>>11843680
>>11843753
>>11843861
Right answers.

Otherwise, Chrysippus. If his works were better appreciated throughout history, we would have had propositional logic (and all that comes with it) literal millennia earlier. He probably wrote too much, and, thus, pushed himself out of history. Out of his 700+ books, it would have been worthwhile to possess at least his top 10 works in logic and general philosophy.

>>11843811
Great post, anon!

My uncle Stavros
He has fathered 8 children legitimately and around 21 during his travels in the countryside

His philosophy is: plow the soil while it is still fertile.

>>11843811
Omg anon I'm almost in tears at this coffee shop.
Thanks for the morning pick me up fren

>>11843411

Not even as good as Antisthenes, his master. Who actually was a real philosopher.

>>11842731
No one give a quarter of a fuck what the fuck you fucking equate with what you pedantic niggerfaggot. You can't change the definition of a word because you being wrong hurts your shitty fucking feelings. Get out, stupid fucking ledditer.

Polybius

>>11842633
>Who's the most underrated greek?

The "I am Greek" German Turkish anon on /int/

Plato

He was right about absolutely everything.

>>11845527
based uncle stavros

Aristotle. Because his Metaphysics is basically a book on psychology

>>11845619
Too bad. If it’s unheard of, it’s underrated.

Here’s an example:

Technically Ostrich omelets are underrated, not enough people have had them.

Or here is another one:

11845619’s mother does some amazing porn but it’s underrated (ie not enough people have seen it)

>>11846007
>No one has experienced it = Some have experienced it
This is your brain on reddit.
Also, if 3 people rate an album as 10/10 when the dish is actually shit, then it's still overrated. High popularity != overrated, low popularity != underrated.

>>11845628
This is the correct answer, particularly when the volume of what remains of his work is considered. Even Thucydides is a better (more correct) answer than the name affixed to some few lines this or that 'pre-Socratic' left behind, because almost no one reads him..
But more read T. than read a 'less than Livy' who wrote about the Romans in Greek.

XENOPHANES

>>11843228
Yep. Next thread.

Protracticus

>>11843811
>tfw socrates
I know you meant this as a great compliment, but I'll take it as a great insult.

>>11843228
Why is antigone so disliked?

>>11847841
No based Oedipus

>>11842633
Pythagoras >>11842645

>>11845527
underrated post

Heraclitus was basically the Hegel of back then.

>>11845527
I thought I was the only one to watch that movie

>>11843811
put me in the screencap :DD

>>11847919
There isn't gonna be one.

Cratylus

>>11843293
Agreed

>>11845527
based and redpilled

>>11847898
And who was the Marx?

>>11848045
Draco

>>11847898
He was basically a poet back then....

Zorba

>>11848060
Seferis, then.

>>11843293
reddit

Parmenides might have been, I think this is what Plato thought, but Pythagoras, definitely as well, and with regard to modern attention paid to written work we have access to, Proclus and philo if they count

>>11848357
Seconding Proclus and Pythagoras

>>11848357
>BRO, EVERYTHING IS NUMBERS LOL

someone please second pindar

>>11842633
Diogenes

>>11846091
he's often mentioned though

>>11848529
which one?

Nonnus

>>11848045
Demokritos

>>11846096
OF COLOFONE

>>11849536
On Polybius-
by other historians, yeah, because he's too packed with information to be ignored. My point is that for every 8 persons here who've read a Pre-Socratic compendium, there's maybe ONE who's read some Polybius..

>>11849659
I like his poetry but wasn't he Egyptian

>>11850407
I considered Greek in a cultural meaning
But yes he was born in Egypt and studied probably in berito and Alexandria