/lit/ - Literature

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it really is the jews

Hume did nothing wrong

>>11777800
nice

>>11777785
Hume was quite brilliant desu. Had some great insights. Sure he made missteps (like the is/ought distinction -- he should've just said there is no 'ought'), but everyone does.

Kant is where things get really problematic. His championing of subjectivism did a lot of harm to philosophy, and it isn't a course which necessarily follows from Hume's positions. What Hume did was more like keeping empiricism honest (problem of induction) -- it was Kant who went off the deep end with skepticism.

FUCK causality and FUCK white people

Hume was truly a stupid douchebag

>>11777916
Couldn't disagree with you more, honestly. Kant might've valued subjectivity (and rightly so), but Kant maintained that objective standards existed. Hume just went "feelz over realz LMAO."
I would genuinely like to hear from your end what the great insights are that make up for what you referred to missteps. Personally, all I've found in Hume is sophistry.

>>11777785
French revolution

>>11777785
>hume’s absolutely piss-poor critique of miracles is STILL the best anti-supernaturalist argument
Positivists on suicide watch

>>11778082
>Hume just went "feelz over realz LMAO."

It had to be done.

It's actually a good thing.
From the ashes of "western culture" we can build the society of the future, learning from all our past mistakes.

>>11777785
You're correct that it begins with him, but the Jews accelerate the inherent trends and act as militant vanguard to destroy any successful movement against it.

>>11777785
I love Hume so much

*blocks your path*

>>11777785
Someone post the Mecha David Hume comic

>>11778483
no.

>>11777785
Hume is the GOAT

Hume doesn't exist.

>>11777785
The Scots are the actual Jews, they literally blended into Anglo appearance, but they retain a clannish instinct and hatred of the other, which because they live among the English and even fucking speak english, manifests as self-hatred, self0-destructiveness.

The Scottish enlightenment was a calamitous event in human history, and there are few Scots that spoke out against it propely, Carlyle is one, but even Carlyle did it from a position of criticism, hatred, he was just attacking what he saw as the dominant trend of his times, which was subsumed into the general picture of the other, primarily the Anglo, and then the continental.

t. half scottish, half english anon

>>11778082
>Hume just went "feelz over realz LMAO."

Hume believed there was an absolute human nature that was same everywhere that we could learn to understand.

>>11777916
Don't know how you come to this conclusion. Kant made it clear that empiricism was valid in some instances where Hume said it wasn't.

>>11777803
Anyone who doesn't see this is probably retarded. The Jews created usury as we know it which in turn created capitalism, Marxism, and fascism.

>>11778645
>>11778645
>The Jews created usury as we know it
Meaning?
>which in turn created capitalism, Marxism, and fascism.
[citation needed]

I love how every conversation on these boards with anti-semites always goes the same.
>THE JEWS DID IT ALL
>Uh, anon, actually, there's a lot of evidence that--
>THE PROTOCOLS OF ELDERS OF ZION AND TWO HUNDRED YEARS TOGETHER
>HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG
>B-But anon, that's propa--
>THE ZIONISTS WERE THE FIRST NAZIS AND THEY'RE STILL GOING AT IT IN ISRAEL
>For sure, we can agree that Zionists are bad, but not every Jew is a Zionist, and Zionism as a movement historically only appeared in the 19th century. Even Hannah Arendt blames them for--
>HANNAH ARENDT WAS A ZIONIST SHILL AND HER BOOKS ARE MARXIST PROPAGANDA. JEWS DID IT ALL READ EINSTEIN'S PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE AND READ CULTURE OF CRITIQUE

Literally no point to even try.

>>11778470
>write a book on ethics
>read almost nothing on the topic
>mention almost zero other philosophers
>your whole knowledge base comes from pop-sci
>barely any citations in your work of any kind
>"Step aside, kiddos, I've just resolved all the conflicts in ethics and morality."
Truly the personification of the current Zeitgeist.

>>11777916
>like the is/ought distinction -- he should've just said there is no 'ought'), but everyone
>should've
>using ought statements to claim oughts don't exist

>>11778645
If you say so

>>11778708
>not every Jew is a Zionist
nice try moshe

>>11778708
Usury is the basis for capitalism. Without usury capitalism cannot sell back the labor it extracts from its workers. Marxism is a reaction to capitalism and fascism is a reaction to Marxism. The great liberation of the Jews from their ghettos comes after the Protestant Reformation and the liberalization of views of usury and its legality.

>>11778822
this is all exactly true. The Jews though simply took their shot. The reformation is purely the fault of Europe

>>11778920
The Reformation is not purely the fault of Europe anymore than a murder with three different participants is.

>the false church splits into two false churches
>misbelievers think this is somehow relevant

>>11778930
The reformation was not concocted by any outside group, it was the natural degradation of the Catholic spirit, the Faustian mindset, whatever you want to call it. That was the form in which the West broke

The situation we find ourselves in today has been heavily influenced by Jews, but that is not the same question. The Jews were let back in by Protestant sentiment.

>>11778932
all churches are false. Catholicism actually worked to some degree though while Protestantism created nothing but turmoil. In some places it managed to briefly be very functional, for example Victorian England was almost preternaturally functional, but it is too volatile and ambiguous to last.

Civilizations all follow this pattern, they have an initial starting idea which eventually is broken, and then they go into a rollercoaster of violence, expansion and collapse.

>>11778708
Two hundred years together and The Culture of Critique are interesting books though. Along with The Jewish Century there's no reason to draw an antisemtic conclusion from them (even if MacDonald wants you to).

>>11778938
The Reformation was heavily influenced by Ottoman and Jewish money. The lords of Europe were complicit in it as a get rich quick scheme.

>>11778966
sources?

>>11778971
Not that guy, but the Ottoman had a good reason to both like and dislike Catholicism. On one hand, it brought them a lot of vassals, such as Romanian principalities, who feared opposing the Ottomans because then they would be subject to attacks from the Magyars and their allies, all of whom were Catholic.
Nobody talks about it much today, but much of Orthodox survived directly BECAUSE of the Ottomans. They were smart enough to know that if they granted the Orthodox freedom to practice, they would be seen as allies against the Catholics. Despite what American mutts try to teach people with the propaganda of today, "Christendom" never stood together against the Muslims, and even Catholics made many deals with them against the Orthodox when they found it convenient.

>>11779078
That all makes sense and ty for elucidating, but how does that make the Reformation a plot of European elites with outside money, rather than a fundamental loss of authority that the Church experienced against a people that had grown apart from it and were bursting with revoltuionary impulses?

>>11778971
The position of Jews as lenders, Ottoman aggression against the Hapsburgs, and the looting of churches and monasteries by the Protestants. You can look up the rest for yourself.

No it was def the Jews

Pic related was 100% correct. The Enlightenment was a mistake.

>>11777916

>SHOULD'VE just said there is no ought

Holy shit are you retarded

>>11777916

Holy shit stop reading charlatans like Hicks and Rand

>>11777785
Corporations around the world are stealing from us all and destroying the earth and people on here still think it's the Jews.

>>11779599
Didn't you hear, anon? Socialism is evil and is outright theft. What's right is working for less than minimum wage for a conglomerate whose rapacious destruction of lives and the environment is supported by government subsidies. All of which is supported by Christian fundamentalists in America who thought Jesus came here to make them rich.
It's, like, totally the Jews, man.

>>11777916

Championing of subjectivism? What the fuck? Kant's project in the Critique of Pure Reason was pretty much: "Given that science works, what are the conditions necessary for this to be the case?" He was arguing AGAINST Hume's skepticism. I mean holy shit, he argued for the possibility of synthetic a priori knowledge, and you call him a subjectivist...

>>11779599
The only corporations stealing anything from me are the public companies and the state owned "private" companies in my oh so dear socialist shithole.
>b-but it's taking my surplus value from my labor theory of value

Perfidious Alba strikes again!

>>11779798
Stop replying. Idiots like you shouldn't even bother.

>>11779621
How do you address the problem of usury? Socialism won't solve that.

>>11777785
I was listening to some program the other day and they were discussing how in the early 20th century we had been here before. Everyone going on about the end of the west, nationalism on the rise, people becoming incredibly individualistic and then it all got better and the other odd part was it coincided with a huge immigration thing. So make of that what you want

>>11780075
WWI is the direct cause of where we are now.

>>11778483

>>11777916
>randlet tries to actually do philosophy

>>11778708
It's kinda hard not to believe the most hated race of people throughout all of history - the race of people who have been kicked out of every major country at one point in time, and who [alegidely] had one of the most horrific genocides committed against them - didn't do something to deserve it all.

>>11778288
yep but for that , the west need to truly die

>>11777785
>get told it's the jews
>get told it's marxists
>get told it's the postmodernists
>get told it's the germans
>get told it's the english
>get told it's the idealists
>get told it's the positivist
Pretty sure these are all the same thing.

>>11778770
>>11779595

Oh yeah, nice one guys. I was definitely making a universal value claim there, good thing you caught me!

>>11781485
>marxist
>idealist
>same thing

woo, oh lord, we got a dunno nuffin right-winger here.

>>11777916
>problematic
Dropped

>>11778727
This. Amazing that these people gain traction, I guess the anti-theists just really want names to rally behind. Easier to have the figureheads do the thinking for them.

>>11780078
you mean the french revolution

>>11779682
You're twisting things a bit there. Yes he respected empirical methodology (he was also an astronomer after all), but he also went to great lengths to emphasize the subject of experience in all methods of inquiry. He used his synthetic a priori distinction (another dubious one) to justify notions of transcendental ideals and 'pure intuition'; those notions then led to assertions that the mind plays a much stronger role in constructing reality than one might suppose in the abscence of such a priori 'forms'. Subjective reasoning was a sacred cow for Kant, and he asserted a strong dualism between
the subjective mind and the emprical world. Yes, Kant was a subjectivist.

Hume on the other hand, had a much less aggrandized, fairly scientific view of the 'self'. Hume's perspective on ethics is more objective than Kant's, since he acknowledges that moral notions ultimately stem from human biases (Kant broke with the consistency of his own ideas to posit a system of universal ethics). Hume's skepticism was mostly an indictment of metaphysics, and an honest accounting for the limits of induction... It wasn't an attack on empiricism. Then Kant comes along, and in the course of arguing against Hume he ironically invents metaphysical distinctions that are routinely invoked these days to undermine empiricism (regardless of his intention).

>>11781576
French Revolution caused WWI.

>>11778645
>Jews created usury
wat
Europe used Jews as an expliotable class to do their usuary for them because the Jews were already hell-bound as far as they were concerned. It was Christian religious expediance and a lack of understanding of economics that made Jewish families rich. Saying Jewish people invented usuary is nonsense

>>11778645
>usury created capitalism

>>11781499
They ought not to have misunderstood eh?

>>11779412
>>11779078
>I have no sources but it is true!

>>11781290
It really isn't if you need a scapegoat and there just happens to be a group of people without a country that does not share your religion, is collectively blamed for the death of the messiah of the biggest religion in several countries, and is heavily insular with no widespread attempt of integration.

>>11778822
>fascism is a reaction to marxism
Wrong

>>11780075
>Early 20th century
>It got better
>What is wwi

Dumbfuck

>>11782626
Mein Kampf sounds very much like this is the case. Are you considering MK to not be a credible source for the topic?

>>11781558
>be a midwit
>write a """common-sense""" book that appeals to midwits
>midwits buy your book
>"dude I'm into """literature""" and this new book is so good and """relatable""", it's basically """"common sense""", you should read it"
Nothing special about it. Merely a bunch of stupid people coning themselves into believing they are profound thinkers or using the latest popular hit for signalling, socializing and networking.

>>11777785

Whaaaat? Are you telling that the skeptic/materialistic/fedora-tier-positivist philosophical tradition of Britain brought on by most philosophers writing in the English language and now extended to all the colonies of the American Empire participated in the downfall of European ideals as they were presented during Romanticism, the Renaissance, the Middle Ages, the classical era by theorizing the philosophical basis for the shallow materialism of the capitalist system and its skeptical take on any encompassing, systematic view of the universe? What a surprise! :0

>>11781290
>alegidely
What the fuck are you doing on /lit/ lmao

OP's more correct than everyone else will give him credit for.

In a nutshell:

>Hume messed with law of causality, and reduced it to a question-begging argument
>He was also honest enough to criticize his own take on empiricism
>Everyone else misses this, and assumes Empiricism is unstoppable.
> Hume's successors lead us to Lessing's Ditch and subsequently Kierkegaard's Leap of Faith into the irrational. Yes. They actually re-defined "faith" itself!
> Irony: Everyone also seemed to forget Descartes and the Rationalists, who could steamroll Empiricism with superior levels of doubt.
> Double Irony: University Professors always assign Rationalism texts out-of-context. Students assume Descartes starts with the Cogito (which is actually step 4). Chaos prevails
> This is why I drink.

>>11777916
>championing of subjectivism
Hickstards should be gassed on sight.

>>11782646
Read mussolini, gentile, the futurist manifesto etc.
Hitler had a distorted and autism laden version of fascism

>>11782717
>European ideals
List them.

>>11782740
>who could steamroll Empiricism with superior levels of doubt
can you explain this point further?

>>11777785
it's not hume it's fucking Rousseau, Locke and Hobbes.

>>11783375
In my opinion Hobbes based leviathan off of Homer,he even went on to translate the epics into english.let me give a few examples..

>>11783677
hobbes writes in chapter 20...And that men do, when they demand (as it is now called) Quarter, (which the Greeks called Zogria, taking alive,) is to evade the present fury of the Victor, by Submission, and to compound for their life, with Ransome, or Service: and therefore he that hath Quarter, hath not his life given, but deferred till farther deliberation;...now in illiad scroll 21 achillies kills the supplicant prince Lycaon who begs for Zogria to be taken alive and ransomed for a second time

and in iliad scroll 23 achilles kills the 12 trojan youths he had taken as prisoners 'Zogria'..

>>11778645
the jews didnt create usury, the church wouldnt allow christians to lend money, so the jews wound up doing it. if not for jewish usury many european churches wouldnt even exist

>>11783681
You are retarded.

>>11782646
>>11782889

>>11783681
in laviathan chapter 25 hobbes writes...Secondly, that the use of Exhortation and Dehortation lyeth onely, where a man is to speak to a Multitude; because when the Speech is addressed to one, he may interrupt him, and examine his reasons more rigorously, than can be done in a Multitude; which are too many to enter into Dispute, and Dialogue with him that speaketh indifferently to them all at once.

illiad scroll 21 says Now it was King Agarnemnon's turn to address them.
He rose from his seat. not moving toward the center.
The lord of men spoke out from where he stood:
"My friends, fighting Danaans, aides of Ares. . . 90
when a man stands up to speak, it's well to listen.
Not to interrupt him, the only courteous thing.
Even the finest speaker finds intrusions hard.
Yet how can a person hear or say a word?-
this howling din could drown the clearest voice.
But I will declare my inmost feelings to Achilles.

>>11783712
hobbes writes in laviathan...As the difference of Counsell from Command, hath been now deduced from the nature of Counsell, consisting in a deducing of the benefit, or hurt that may arise to him that is to be Counselled, by the necessary or probable consequences of the action he propoundeth; so may also the differences between apt, and inept counsellours be derived from the same. For Experience, being but Memory of the consequences of like actions formerly observed, and Counsell but the Speech whereby that experience is made known to another; the Vertues, and Defects of Counsell, are the same with the Vertues, and Defects Intellectuall:

in illid scroll 1 achilles after bitching at agamemnon throws down his gold studded staff and nestor stands to speak.agamemnon gives command to take brisius nestor gives council.achilles is a great man but poor in council

>>11783375
in my opinion hobbes kept homer on his mind when writing leviathan. hobbes based it not just off of the english civil war but off of homer,the cornerstone of western literature and thought .

>>11783375
hobbes uses greek words and the subtle ideas around them to bolster his idea of a complete sovereign,the same words and concepts used by homer

>>11777785
The idea that Western civilization is in decline has good intentions behind it, but is wrong. We have more scientists, engineers, and artists today than ever before, producing fantastic wonders of the imagination every single day. And the West is not adopting Chinese, Middle Eastern, or African culture, these places are adopting Western culture.

Also, there is no one particular individual or group in history who is responsible for the current state of world affairs. With every action there is a reaction. The present is a product of the whole past. The erroneous "the cause is separate from the effect" notion is exploited by people seeking to blame someone else for their problems.

>>11783778
it is not well that there should be many masters; one man must be supreme

>>11783798
>muh """progress"""
>muh enlightenment
neck yourself retarded whig.

>>11783873
How do you measure the success of Western civilization?

>>11783891
>success
This is akin to using the word "progress". Beware folks, this is your mind on whiggism. de Maistre was right about you cucks.

>>11783905
If the word success is unusable, then so are the words decline and downfall. In which case, why are you even in the thread?

>>11783911
>If the word success is unusable
YIKES. The average whig's reading comprehension.

>>11783798
>We have more scientists, engineers, and artists today than ever before
And yet, when wealth inequality stares them in the face along with pollution of the environment, they do nothing, because they are fundamentally shills that need the status quo to live.
Spare me with your scientists. The last thing we need is more Pinkers and Harrises.
What we need is Vargs. And a lot of them.

>>11784410
>Pinkers and Harrises
Pop scientists aren't scientists, you uncultured brainlet.

>>11777785
>>get told it's the english
>implying Hume isn't a manifestation of the archetypal Anglo
it really is the English

>>11784410
>wealth inequality
>>why yes of course I let myself be memed by the less intelligent part of the contemporary socialist movement

>>11783924
What else are you getting at if you refuse to define your personal metric for what success is?