/lit/ - Literature

>>11777120
>or the fact that the people I see when I'm running errands are just going through their daily routines without thinking about our civilization disintegrating.
Would it make you feel better to know that they are? Because they are.

>>11777143
I don't know how we can fix things, though, even if we somehow managed to communicate with each other. I don't even know if they can be fixed and it has really been bothering me. I haven't been sleeping well these past couple of months.

>>11777120
Kòjeve

Unironically become a left-communist. It's so easy, we never do and never will do shit but we get to be smug 24/7

>>11777176
I'm not familiar with him. What's he all about?
>>11777181
My family growing up were Marxists and social democrats and it wasn't for me. I'm very happy to be out of that cult (and possibly entering a new one, I'm afraid).

>>11777216
Oh, then become a nihilistic anarchist and be done with it

>>11777120
Get a job

>>11777229
That's not funny.
>>11777261
I have two.

What Country?

>>11777120
>I want to go back to being convinced that things are not going to get worse

Optimism is cowardice, anon. Now it's time for you to stop being a coward.

>>11777311
It's irrelevant. All that matters is that I love it dearly.
>>11777362
Well, then what do you suggest I read to get in a better state of mind, then? If not returning to optimism, how can I start sleeping better again?

>>11777391
It isn't. If you want help you should be willing to answer questions about yourself. It's not like the country is small enough that /lit/ will find and dox you.

>>11777120
>What can I read to fix this?
Nothing. You must act. Be joyful. Make friends. Create communities. Have poetry reading picnics. Live a good life.

>>11777405
I have citizenship in the United States and Denmark. I'm barely identify with the latter at all because I find Janteloven and the current state of the Danish government disgraceful, but I still keep the passport for convenience in visiting my family members. I feel like an outsider in Denmark and often have trouble relating to other Danes. I love America very much, but I admittedly have my doubts about America's national mythology and have always felt like an outsider here as well.

>>11777391
>Well, then what do you suggest I read to get in a better state of mind, then? If not returning to optimism, how can I start sleeping better again?
Read Spengler's Hour of Decision, in which he does formulate calls to action and what ought to be done.

>>11777430
Do not listen to this NPC

>>11777445
>born and raised in Denmark
>identities as American
Kek, lost all sympathy for you

>>11777449
>Hour of Decision
I read part of this but couldn't finish it. I didn't care for much of what he wrote here, since I don't buy racialism. Cultural conflict makes sense, but the racial stuff seems a bit narrow and silly. I've encountered white Danish people who have gone full-on jihadi and I've encountered British people who have left for China and ceased to be British, and I've also seen nonwhite people integrate perfectly into Western countries. It clearly isn't to do with race, but with culture.
>>11777430
I've been trying this, but it's not been very helpful for me. My girlfriend has been helping a lot, but I guess I'm just not a very joyful-natured person.

>>11777493
Cringe and bluepilled. This is the power of the sad Dane.

>>11777483
I was born in the US and spent parts of my childhood in both countries. Both feel very foreign to me, and it makes things difficult. Don't raise children without roots of some sort to a place and a people; this is a terrible idea that doesn't work. Internationalism is garbage and Esperanto is useless. I would much rather be a plain American or a plain Dane.
>>11777514
"Sad Dane" is an accurate description, I suppose. Any suggestions for sad Danish literature?

>>11777534
Being American is meaningless, however you don't seem to equipped to embrace Danish identity and try to establish roots in the culture and ethnicity.

>>11777120
>What can I read to fix this?
Seneca's letters and then try to find a vocation. Also don't think that faith is a retreat (see pic related). I went through a similar intellectual reconstitution as you seem to have last year and only through anti-depressants and the church community at my college was I able to put myself back together.

>>11777573
>(see pic related)
your pic related in the OP, that is

>>11777567
That's exactly the problem, though, that I have no roots. My first language is fucking Esperanto.
>>11777573
I don't think faith is a retreat either, but I know that for a while I certainly did retreat into it instead of not actually dealing with what was bothering me. Faith is very important to me, though. I'll check out Seneca's letters, though. Thank you.

>>11777592
>My first language is fucking Esperanto
how the fuck

>>11777609
This. Were your parents an American hippie and European hippie? Did you live in a commune or something odd? No wonder you don't have any ethnic pride in your Danish roots you poor man.

>>11777609
Stupidity.
>>11777621
Something along those lines. We spoke Esperanto at home, English or Danish outside. It's not that I don't have pride in my Danish "roots," but rather that I simply have no roots. You could say my roots are in weird "we're all one planet" hippie garbage, and I reject all of that.

>>11777632
>We spoke Esperanto at home

Oh my God, it's a good thing someone introduced you to Spengler.

>>11777632
If you and your girlfriend are serious you should return to Denmark ASAP and fight for the Nation. Honestly embrace ethnicity and get involved in politics.

>>11777120
Evola.

Cultural conservatism is a very admirable thing but nationalism is vile. I'm assuming your religious roots are Christianity. If you want roots, hold tight to God, if you're able to believe. Anything less than that is highly problematic. I've been where you are now. It's the beginnings of truth, but don't fixate on these negative things, if only for the sake of your health. Your body can only take so much civilisational decay.

>>11777143
Hello 'other people'. Tell me about NPCs, why does it wear human skin?

>>11777391
>Well, then what do you suggest I read to get in a better state of mind, then?
I suggest you read about previous collapses and attempt to create a heuristic map and a pattern of behavior that will have you and your offspring survive.

>>11777120
welcome to the right, ur here forever cause its the truth

>>11777734
>nationalism is vile
lol

just imagine feeling a part of a town of people, all cooperating for your groups survival and you being proud of it, how awful!

>inb4 megatropolis modern cities cant be high-trust towns
modern degeneration, literally the product of social engineering

OP you now redpilled, quite literally youve just escaped globalist social democratic brainwashing, from here you can go left, right, or even new directions never tested by man, but youre never gonna be able to go back

>>11777645
>"How can I overcome my misshapen, abstract intellectualism induced negative worldview or at least come in terms with a newfound reality?"
>Honestly embrace ethnicity and get involved in politics
Quite literally do the opposite of what that lad recommended.

>>11777181
You guys are smug but never respond to how planned economies would actually work.

>>11777120
>What can I read to fix this?
Nothing you stupid Platonist. Get out of the noetic realm and work in the material world.

>>11778222
Because planned economies don't work.

>>11777734
Entirely wrong. Nationalism is the only answer. You are a part of a whole, that whole is the nation. It extends in time before you and beyond you. Your part in it is the now, to perform your obligations to the nation's future parts as your service to the whole.

>>11778347
>what is North Korea

>>11777143
Lmao they aren't bro

Is your civilization really declining though? Aren't we moving towards something much grander?

>>11778734
>grander
>the destruction of the environment and all races, nations and cultures into the homogenizing force of globalism, neoliberalism, materialism, nihilism

>>11779072
we live in a society

Embrace unstoppable collapse as a wellspring for creativity. Try drugs

>>11777120
The Bible.

>>11779218
Go back to /b/ retard

>>11777120
What makes you think our society is disintegrating? You know that's mostly just a fear tactic to radicalize people into certain ideologies right?

>>11779072
>the destruction of the environment and all races, nations and cultures into the homogenizing force of globalism, neoliberalism, materialism, nihilism
I agree with you to a certain extent. Culturally the human race has been in a downward slope thanks to capitalism. However it is also important to note that since the 1950s the amount of literacy in the globe has diminished significantly, medicine has advanced and is more widespread, more people are climbing out of extreme poverty than ever.
To say that ''the west is dying'' is to needlessly minimize the scope of the argument to Alex Jones level of rhetoric.

>>11779286
>implying Spengler wasn't right about everything

>>11777120
I went through a similar phase around a year ago after reading Spengler and similar writers, but have since adopted a healthier attitude. Spengler emphasised the inevitable nature of civilisational decline, hence why he compared it to organic growth and decay. The downfall of a culture is written into it from its beginnings, and its triumphs will eventually cause its destruction. You as a single person are facing up against metahistorical forces and - if you have a conspiratorial tendency - global political/economic forces. You cannot stop them, and not even a single nation or several nations could reverse this cycle.

You have to disconnect yourself from modern civilisation as much as you are capable of doing, even if is this gradual, and if you retain connection to civilisation, use its resources for self-growth. This is the only way you will achieve happiness, and if your family also agree with you, it will ensure their happiness too. Also, since you are religious, remember that the cultivation and protection of your spiritual self is more important than your material self. Civilisations may come and go, but God is eternal.

>>11778657
Radio 4 on the BBC has for the past months had some kind of end of the west program almost daily

>>11779994
This is a good post and generally good advice. Thanks anon.

>>11779314
I think industrialization was far more harmful than capitalism. I mean the two are intertwined, but the technology is what really changed everything, not the economic mode in particular. the USSR's planned economy didnt prevent its citizens from feeling alienated as fuck

It's the loss of the organic village or the neighborhood, filled with your relatives and groups of friends, that ties you to a place and a network of people that belong to that place. You will notice people who still have this are typically happier, so long as they arent mired in poverty or some other issue.

>>11780073
Industrialism is capitalism. Capitalism is usury. Socialism is a reaction to capitalism. Fascism is a reaction to socialism. The Enlightenment was fake.

>>11777734
It is your attitude itself that is vile, as it offends the virtue of piety:
>I answer that, A special virtue is one that regards an object under a special aspect. Since, then, the nature of justice consists in rendering another person his due, wherever there is a special aspect of something due to a person, there is a special virtue. Now a thing is indebted in a special way to that which is its connatural principle of being and government. And piety regards this principle, inasmuch as it pays duty and homage to our parents and country, and to those who are related thereto. Therefore piety is a special virtue.
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3101.htm

>>11779072
Pic.
"We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." - (((James Warburg)))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Warburg#Biography

>>11777445
Here's what a Dane would tell you;
Go fuck off back to uncultivated America you disgusting mutt. You clearly, unironically cannot grasp the greatness of Denmark.

>>11780097
>Industrialism is capitalism.
m8 it is more complicated than that. The steam engine has nothing to do with usury

>>11779994
Best post itt. Sin will always win in our material world. Every tribe, every village, every country, every ideology, they all succumb to sin. But thats no excuse to not strive to live a moral life, even if it isn't for religious reasons. Don't play their lopsided game.

>>11777445
>le janteloven maymay
i bet you haven’t even read Sandemose, you molbo

>>11780131
The push for industrialization came from the capitalists. As you will notice, the most industrial countries were also the most capitalistic. The United States and the United Kingdom being the prime examples. The Germans were also quite industrial and capitalistic under the Prussian and later post-WWII governments. You can also look at China industrializing only to compete in the capitalist realm.

>>11778347
War is so dangerous now, nationalism terrifies me. Not even from a "the nazi's and north korea are bad mm'kay" sort of way. The efficiency of a Nationalistic state in wartime, the ability to seize engineers, scientists, and young men for the singular purpose of war in the modern world terrifies me. We can now unleash a biochemical creation of man that could lay waste to all those armies like an act of god far more devastating that even an atomic weapon. That terrifies me.

>>11780331
i think industrialization happens because of the benefits it confers by opening up non-animal sources of energy. That much power and the luxury it creates are ends in themselves, not simply because of the draw into capitalism.

>>11780447
In part but to the extent that it happened was due to capitalism. You can look at the Amish to see what I mean and how they pick and choose what technology to bring into their communities. They might use cash registers but they don't use tvs for example.

>>11777120
>weirdly, someone with strong Marxist sympathies)
Many fascist leaders started out as communist union organizers. That said dont lose hope op. Realize that they cannot beat you but can only demoralize you to get you to not show up to the fight. Never yield and fight demoralization.

Also about retreating into faith. It helps to accept that God let us do this damage so far and will also give us the solution in time.