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>An economics book by a fucking journalist
Why are all leftists such pseuds?

>>11739391
>he hasnt read based naomi

The problem of this book's that it portrays pretty obvious and plain economical conceptions and choices using big words like "Shock Doctrine", or "economic terrorism", drawing connections to CIA's parapsychology programs and making it seems like it's some sort of globalistic NWO Illuminati tier conspiracy. while the clue is that transformation of post-sovietic block took that form because economics, societies&goverments of those Countries were already completely ravaged and ruined. All those "shock therapies" were just best method of "How to efficiently transform ruined economies into working semi-market economies within controlled and acceptable timespan so that half of the world might finally come close to being functional countries without complete collapse". And it delivered, not without its pathologies tho.

>>11739476
lmao if you think Naomi knows shit about anything

Naomi Klein might be the biggest hack ever. She uses charisma to make up for her utter lack of common sense

I want to fuck Naomi

>>11739520
>Actually makes the country poorer
>10 years latter the cold war is back
Truly a success on all front

>>11739232
So does she propose restrictions to prevent the extremes of capitalism, or is this just a 'capitalism bad' hit-piece?

>>11739232
Phenomenal book. Always triggers the Trumplets.

>>11740200
stfu

>>11739232
written by a womanoid?

yeah sorry that's a big "yikes" from my end, into the trash it goes!

>>11739520
>mortality rates spike in post-soviet russia
>we did it!!! we fixed communism!!! we're the good guys :)

>>11740200
>propose restrictions to prevent the extremes of capitalism
What new thing can she put on the table other than 'sieze the means of production' or 'ask big gov to do it'?

>>11739594
>Actually makes the country poorer
Point was never to make countries richer in short term (10 years in economics are short term). The point was to try to make them at the very least resembling functional democracies with market based economies so that countries don't fucking crumble under weight of its terrible inefficiency, isolation from rest of the world debts, absurds of planned economy, and generally being 1st world countries only in terms of geographical location.
You don't really "make country rich" by signing a bill or some other bullshit. Country is made richer by both natural and human resources,land, capital, and most importantly: widely defined Technology, which is what macroeconomics of today say to be only real variable with which we can change our wealth in long term.
>10 years latter the cold war is back
Yeah, but what can you do?

>>11740455
>Yeah, but what can you do?

euthanize the fucking b**mers

>>11740418
>Implying russia has ever really transformed into democratic market based economy
>Implying you can anyhow fix the country that holds half of the world's natural resources, yet is and has always been effectively 3rd world country, capable only of selling those unprocessed resourcesto keep its war machine somehow running and its verkhushka (aka Mafia) ruling.

>>11740484
>i-it's not real capitalism

yikes

>>11739476
>female
>canadian
>bluepilled
>unironically communist

>>11740864
the absence of a certain ethnic identifier in this post is quite conspicuous indeed

>>11739391
The title is based off of things that Milton Friedman said and wrote.

You know that you can be right about anything despite your background, correct?
Or are you just unfamiliar with the genetic fallacy, so you constantly opine outside of your area of expertise while projecting that problem onto people you haven't read to try to suppress the feelings of inadequacy that you have for being unable to read or understand things charitably that do not conform to your central dogma?

>>11740913
Falacy of the falacy

>>11741180
That's not how that works retard

>>11741206
Yes it does

This book is correct in its diagnoses, but because Klein is a disgusting commie her solutions to the problem will always be inadequate.

Only right-wing anti-capitalism can ever truly slay the monster that is late capitalism. The leftists are doomed to fail.

>>11741248
Why don't you demonstrate where that fallacy has been made?

>>11741259
>Right wing
>Anti-capitalist

Oh boy oh boy oh boy

>>11741278
t. disgusting Anglo

>>11739391
>>11739476
She made a lot of money off her books and bought herself a real fancy condo in downtown Toronto. Socialism pays...for those who support socialism.

>>11740913
Fuck off. You're a fucking pseud. Any econ book not writing by someone with, at the very least, a masters in Econ is a pseud

>>11741487
Dumbfuck

>>11741487
>man more interested in the authority of the speaker than in what is being said calling someone a fraud

>>11740507
I mean, it's not. In the same way that Stalinism wasn't true communism.

>>11741510
>>11741539
Fuck off pseuds. Guaranteed you would be saying the exact same thing if Klein didn't agree with you politically

>>11741576
You overestimate how much I care about what you think nearly as much as you overestimate your reasoning abilities and self-worth.

>>11741649

>>11741259
>right-wing anti-capitalism
Salafism?

>>11741405
>Socialism pays...for those who work
FTFY

>>11741278
Pray tell, what is "right wing anti capitalism"

>>11741926
it's super-capitalism but we tell the retards that they'll be privileged in the ethnostate (lmao) so they gladly sink deeper into that which they were reacting against in the first place

bump

>Look at the evils of capitalism
>BUT .... what if Capitalism, but good?
>Huh?

Her argument, basically.

she has to take the anti-tech pill to understand it

>>11742351
I don't think you actually understand the position you're trying to make fun of. It's pretty unconvincing desu, especially since the right has a more dissident critique of global capitalism than the left (and that is apparent by the massive efforts by the status quo to suppress dissident right wing figures while "revolutionary" left-wing figures consistently are supported by the status quo). I mean for fuck's sake, Visa themselves literally bullied stripe into denying payment processing to Alt-right figures while Chapo Traphouse has their book promoted by the NYT and Washington Post.

>>11741278
Your understanding of the current political paradigm is impressively poor. Do the rest of the world a favor, and don't vote.

>>11743844
i am not going to get into petty shitflinging about who is more "censored", because i don't think that's a fruitful approach to the issue. the fact is, the liberal-democratic status quo feels threatened by "right ideas" because as of current there is an actual material basis, however small you might take it to be, on which those ideas rest. as for "the left", there is absolutely no material basis, no real movement from which the weight of claim like, say, "abolish wall street" or "self-management of factories" can be derived. they are empty pronunciations in the air, unlike the anti-globalization sentiments which are genuinely grounded in practice (trump, brexit, ISIS, european fascist parties, etc)

>>11744214
I think it is pretty obvious that basically only the right is getting censored atm. What I am saying is that fascism/populism =\= super capitalism, and the concept of an ethnostate is not even a particularly rigid one. 3/4s of the people I see using the word, are ones who have no idea what an ethnostate is, and the opposition they have to them is based on a concept which literally nobody argues for. I'm saying you don't know what the fuck you are talking about based on what you said in that post. You likely don't even understand the first thing about these right wingers you are saying support "super capitalism".

>>11744571
well, the difference is that you think "understanding" these right-wingers involves carefully parsing their stated views, while for me it involves comprehending the real material implications of the practice that gives them substrate, regardless of what they think of themselves.

>>11741259

This is what happens when you skim-read Ebola and vape your brain cells into oblivion

I wish the right was more respectable than the shit flinging larpers we have now

>>11739520 most policy served national and investor interest implementation and planning. The ideaology was hardly coherent to the practice, it was basically about gaining econmic power under the loss constraints set by, "lol dood we just want to make things better and stimulate the economy"

>>11744614
So essentially, you think that you better understand their positions than they do, and you believe you understand both their intentions and the consequences of their intended actions more than they themselves do. This is all while you are not even able to articulate what exactly it is that you see in the rise of right-wing fascistic thought that you believe results in "super capitalism". Okay bro.

What practices in particular are you talking about that you understand the "real material implications" of?

>>11739232
>slaps
Kill yourself.

>>11741926
How about banning lending money at interest, for starters? I think any good right-winger would agree to that.

>>11744571
What is an ethnostate?


I think states should be ecoregional. The problem is people have no material connection to their homes, their neighbors and and the living world, it's a schizoid ecology. Nationalism does the same thing as capitalism in this respect, and authority should be decentralized, we have more practical uses for states than to use them to govern ourselves.

>>11744945
look mate, i'll be honest, you're totally out-classed intellectually by that guy. better stop while you're not embarrassingly behind before this gets REAL ugly.

>>11745216
An ethnostate is any state that explicitly has policies towards preserving the ethnic composition of its body politik.

While from a material perspective, an ecoregional conception of a state makes sense, such a concept of a state fundamentally misunderstands how a state forms. The state of France was not the result of providing defined borders to the ecoregional territory of Gaul, but rather was an expression of the Franks. States and societies fundamentally are downstream of the collective ethos of the people who inhabit them. While it may not be necessarily 100% a causal result of ethnicity/race, they are so highly correlated and tied to hereditary behavioral factors that it would require significant evidence that these sorts of divisions can be successfully overcome in any sort of sustainable fashion. Thinking that this order can be imposed top down on a group of people who do not share ethnicity and the deeply held cultural roots that come with it is completely foolish.

>>11745363
In what capacity? His argument was that while he doesn't have the direct knowledge of their stated positions, that he can come to understand them via inferring the "real material implications" of them being allowed to manifest their will (which he doesn't directly know). That is quite the assertion, and I want him to explain how he believes he can "understand" the right via his inferences and reading the tea leaves of the material world we exist within.

While I think there is absolutely a materialist explanation behind certain rises of anti-globalism and a sort of contraction towards some concept of "traditionalism", material conditions as the only measure fundamentally misunderstands the right. I want to know where in his materialist concept of the right does the idea that a return to a white racial consciousness and a rejection of the current liberalist value paradigm enter? Where does a contraction from the current Homo-Americanus hyper liberal paradigm, (which the dissident right represents) necessarily follow with "super capitalism", and who does he think actually believes that there will be a hierarchical equalization when that contraction occurs? People aren't getting involved in the Alt-right because they think it will make their lives more "privileged" if America as Impirium dissolves into America as Nation. They are getting involved because they see the international capitalist system as a vampire, and that ethnic/racial solidarity is the only thing that stands any chance of survival against it.

> capitalism is bad
LOL okay former Zeitgeist fans

>>11745784
>former
you give them too much credit

>>11745833
> mfw Peter Jospeh fucked over Jacque Fresco shortly before his death
Even though he and his fans were a bunch of technocratic marxists, his heart was too pure for that betrayal.

>>11739232
I've had No Logo on my bookshelf for what feels like a decade and still haven't read it. Then I read Chuck Klosterman's profile of Thom Yorke and he says he read it on the plane ride over, goddamn.

>>11745784
>warmed over Manchester Liberalism

stfu Hayek, everything you said was wrong

>>11740455
>Yeah, but what can you do?

>>11745884
Everything? I bet you haven't even read 1/10th of everything he wrote you spineless tunnel visioned coward. The fact that he predicted Crypto makes at least one thing he said demonstrably true.

>>11739232
The Kike Doctrine

>>11745931
you seem awfully sensitive

>>11746128
Your clit seems awfully sensitive

>>11741758
>Socialism pays...for those who work
Hahahahahahahaha

>>11740913
>You know that you can be right about anything despite your background, correct?

>>11741487
>econ
>not the most pseud filled of social sciences

>>11746889
Econ is the least pseud of all social sciences. It's the only one attempting to be more empirical, while the other social sciences are moving the complete opposite direction because evidence is a white male social construct to uphold power structures or w/e

>>11741248
>he felt the need to post this, almost certainly due to his inability to surmise
Is highschool fun?

>>11739232
Worthless book, like most of what Naomi Klein writes. That radical change happens during times of instability and great upheaval is obvious, almost tautological; that it's the concerted work of a coordinated neo-liberal shock-capitalist elite is the left-wing version of (((bankers run the world))).