/lit/ - Literature

>>11706489
Ancom

>>11706489
he has none, he's a shitposter

>>11706489
"Keep calm but care."

>>11706489
Bit of a lefty, I'd guess.

>>11706489
He’s almost definitely a leftist, but I think he may have been reactionary in his youth. May have just been some bullshit I read on here tho

>>11706663

no one who reads pynchon doesn't look like this btw

>>11706667
Where's this from? Would love to read more of Pynchon talking about his works.

>>11706692
slow learner intro

>>11706489

BRRRRRAAAAAAAAPPP

anarchist

>>11706489
Who fucking cares? Why do you “politics at all costs” shitbags need to try and shoehorn everyone into a political category. Just read his books and shut the fuck up about politics for once in your miserable lives.

i just got iced coffee with heavy cream and i regret it

>>11706667
I never got the impression Pynch was racist reading GR, quite the opposite. Is he talking about V here?

>>11708351
He is talking about an early short story called Low-lands, in the intro to Slow Learner.

>>11708351
No one of his real early short stories. He does NOT like them.

he said in slow learner that he was fascist in college. It's clear from V. that he grew into a boomer liberal

>>11708360
Honestly, they're better as relics that show formative Pynchon than as works themselves. Besides, his best (imo) short story isn't even included in that (also, don't even ask me to elaborate because I read his short stuff during a bus trip during which I was in the process of becoming VERY sick)

>>11708382
There's another compilation of Pynchon's short stories or how did you read it?

Testosterone levels go drastically down with age unless proper exercise and diet is followed so his evolution is quite understandable.

>>11708516
i mean his books just kept getting better

>>11708617
>implying Bleeding Edge, Inherent Vice, and Vineland are better than V, The Crying of Lot 49, and Gravity's Rainbow

>>11708621
perhaps not but AtD, M&D sure do, and BE + IV are better than TCOL49 and arguably V

>>11708617
>>11708631
Bleeding Edge was embarrassing

>>11706667
What a pussy.

>>11708238
This. The thread is garbage

>>11708640
for you

>>11708655
people grow up

I've got him pinned down to being alt-right. He makes fun of leftists and sjws a lot

>>11708858
okay, this is epic

Boomercrat

>>11708858
KEKED Gottfried absolutely DESTROYED by based KEKISTANI Blicero's FACTS and LOGIC S-Gerat (WW2 SJW CRINGE COMPILATION #32)

You have to ask? He's a proto-SJW proto-BLM degenerate decadent old money Ivy league philo-semitic anglo-zionist boomer who writes about Negroes sticking their fingers up white people's anuses, pedophilia, and authority figures eating turds, among other things. It's pretty obvious from everything he's ever written that he is anti-authoritarian, hyper-egalitarian, and has some interest in anarchism, though he ultimately doubts the efficacy of all ideologies and attempts at transcendence like socialism, leaving him, ta-da, a tacit liberal like everybody else in his caste.

Basically, for all his paranoia and insight, he's a NYT-reading Democrat-leaning creative professional with a kid in an expensive private school and an apartment on the Upper West Side. He fetishizes the 60s, pop music and science, hates the Man, and loves television and marijuana

It just goes to show that politics has virtually nothing to do with intellect or artistic skill. If a genius like Tom Pynchon is corruptible, everybody is. He's hardly the first smart person to get taken in by a stupid social trend, but he is one of the most disappointing because he's such a self-aware and intelligent person.

Anyways, as far as post-WWII American liberalism goes, he is THE defining artist of the era, regardless of medium.

>>11708238
Based

>>11708977
are you upset?

>>11708977
>proto-SJW proto-BLM
He isn't an identity politics retard.

>>11708977
Pynchon is a Russian sleeper agent and the principal architect of Elsagate

He seems to be of the libertarian left.

>Next time you come across a logging operation out there, find one of their tractors that isn't being guarded, and take its oil filter with you. That's what you can do

>>11708685
people learn that this shit doesnt matter
he regressed, this fucking pussy

>>11709025
Not really. I deeply admire Pynchon and don't see how he could write the fantastic and beautiful things he writes without being a liberal

>>11709036
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-watts.html?_r=1
He was celebrating black riots as a response to police killings of black men in 1966

>>11709042
You joke but I strongly suspect he was at one point offered a position in the upper echelons of the American intelligence services and possibly worked for ONI

>>11708977

>>11708977
*snap*

stay triggered, my dude

Bourgeois boomer liberalism with weed induced paranoia

>>11709654
>Bourgeois

lol discarded

>>11706489
Well, M&D has some pretty overtly
reactionary themes. ATD is filled with anarchism, but I haven't got the impression that he is endorsing any particular political ideology.

>>11709171
>You joke but I strongly suspect he was at one point offered a position in the upper echelons of the American intelligence services and possibly worked for ONI
You're not the first one to suspect this. I've seen a documentary about Pinecone ("Thomas Pynchon. A Journey into the Mind of [p.]", look it up, it's in YouTube or somewhere else) and a close friend of his (a friend that, if my memory doesn't fail me, Pinecone actually cucked and took his gf/wife) said that when Gravity's Rainbow came out a lot of people where suspecting that Pynchon was possibly involved in secret projects of dubious ethical status when he was in the army (I think one of the guys in the documentary said that Pynchon was involved in the intercontinental ballistic missiles "Minuteman" program when he was in Boeing). His friend even speculated that he might have written Gravity's Rainbow as a way of "apologizing" for the dark shit he had been involved with. And for all these idiots spamming the *snap* meme, the truth is that you're absolutetly right. It's pretty evident for everyone with 3 and a half functioning neurons that Pynchon is pretty much a soft liberal.

>>11708977
based and redpilled
>>11709176
>>11709645
cringe and copepilled

>>11708461
personally i will choose to interpret anon's post as a fever-dream experience (not too dissimilar to Mondaugen's story) wherein he hallucinated the story in question

>>11708977
Then what's the correct political stance?

>>11709891
Any thing that isn't neoconservative/neoliberal values and culture while avoiding fascism, communism, and capitalism.

>>11708977
God-tier analysis of Pynch.

>>11709909
So city states, anarchism, and agrarianism? Innovative

>>11708977
This is 100% accurate and lol at the Pynchon fanbois getting triggered by it

>>11708977
I'm a leftist and a Pynchon fan but even I recognise the *power* of this post

Congrats dude

>>11706667
>I apologize
What a fucking cuckold

>>11708977
is he really zionist though? i thought the default political position of his niche was pro palestine

>>11708977
Posts like these keep me coming back to /lit/, unironically. Bravo anon.

>>11710043
Are airlooms a Pynchon meme? A long time ago this schizophrenic guy (as in actually diagnosed schizophrenic, he had episode of psychotically breaking with reality) in a group of facebook friends of mine started freaking out about them. I had no fucking clue what he was talking about.

>>11710196
The class he belongs to is mostly Zionists.

>>11706668
https://vimeo.com/107993304

>>11710441
I'm not aware of airlooms in Pynchons work... that image is from the wikipedia page of the first medically described schizophrenic patient

>>11706667
unironically based

>>11709797
>proto-SJW proto-BLM degenerate
>soft liberal

lol okay

>>11708238
calm down pinecone, jeez

>>11711432
he's not wrong

>>11711434
we love you thomas, just the way you are

>>11711473
yeah and nobody likes pol lol

>>11706489
He supports Juche for white people.

>>11708238
This cop-out might work with other writers but Pynchon explicitly addresses politics in every book he's ever written. IMO it's impossible to seriously discuss his writing without discussing his politics

>>11708238
"In the world today all culture, all literature and art belong to definite classes and are geared to definite political lines. There is in fact no such thing as art for art's sake, art that stands above classes, art that is detached from or independent of politics. Proletarian literature and art are part of the whole proletarian revolutionary cause; they are, as Lenin said, cogs and wheels in the whole revolutionary machine." - Chairman Mao

On this board, we respect the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism.

>>11708977
I think it’s a bit harder to fit Pynchon into a neat political category than you think it is. This is often a problem for people who criticize both sides — they’re misinterpreted by the extremists of both sides as belonging to the other side. An extremist SJW reading Pynchon’s works would probably have similar points to make about how Pynchon is just another stupid old white male who can’t write women and doesn’t write enough about the pressing problems facing minorities and is out of touch and just for other white male college-educated intellectuals etc

Your post says more about you than it says about Pynchon.

Is Pynchon Catholic?

Pynchon is alt right

>>11708977
fantastic post

>>11710196
no no no, Pynchon is from New York and has far too many Jewish contacts and influence to be anything but a Zionist

>>11713263
>Your post says more about you than it says about Pynchon.

never use this, especially at end of your posts.
was cringe already but you really failed with that detail desu desu desu.

>>11713456
wrong

>>11706667
So this confirms Pynchon's best work was written by a proto-Fascist?

based

>>11708913
lol

my guess is that he was a genuine nihilist when younger, which helped give rise to his apathy towards the establishment and status quo, but now he has 'moderated' sincehaving a child and growing up and probably is some sort of pragmatist

>>11713484
Your cringing response to the idea that people’s responses to things reveals their own biases more often than it objectively reflects the stimulus reveals more about you than it does about the idea.

Looked at from another angle, Pynchon’s works include instances of chauvinism, political incorrectness, jokes at the expense of minorities, and so on, such that it excludes him from the “SJW” camp. The whole post simply reveals the writer’s own conservative/rightwing biases. “Wow, Pynchon generally seems more leftist. Therefore he’s a proto-SJW and BLM cuck.” His post is very cringed because it shows how much he thinks in black and white. What he views as Pynchon’s “soft liberalism” is really just Pynchon’s compassion for the dispossessed, exiled, excluded, occluded, and oppressed which runs throughout his works as a common motif. It’s also his paranoia and distrust of large corporations, governments, etc., based on his obvious historical research into various conspiracies.

>>11708977
Look how many irrelevant details that poster adds which aren’t at all to be gained from reading Pynchon’s works objectively: “NYT-reading”, “Anglo-Zionist”, “hyper-egalitarian”, “philo-Semitic”, “fetishizes the 60s” (no, he views the hippie revolution then as overly idealistic and inherently doomed, not capable of dealing with the darkness of the world), “has some interest in anarchism”, and “a tacit liberal”. It’s an idiotic and innuendo-filled piece of shit of a post, incapable of bringing up details from his works to support these judgments, incapable of really pinning him down to any ideology, instead using an accumulation of suggestive and sufficiently vague insults and labels to characterize him as some milquetoast castrated hipster. The post more shows the poster’s dislike of such a character than it reveals anything about Pynchon, once again. I’m disappointed so many people are so impressed by it. Read some Pynchon without your stupid biases and actually educate yourselves, you fools.

if you chimps put this much imaination i to your writing you may have written something worthwhile by now

>>11714202
>Slow Learner
>Pynchon's best work
lol. Slow Learner is pretty bad besides the introduction (written much later) and the last story (still not anywhere near his novels).

What was the point of Bleeding Edge?

>>11714361
you can stop embarrassing yourselves with your increasingly shitty readings of pynchon any time now chief

>>11708238
>Who fucking cares?
Readers do. Read him and find out what he's trying to say and report back in so we can determine the energy conversion needed for a proper combustion of that crosspawed no gooder's spellbinding, puritanic drivel.

>>11714361
They're admiring style, not content. Although since we're on /lit/ they probably don't recognise it.

>>11714896
jackson likes videogames

>>11714361
Isn't NYT the Newspaper of Record he disparages in BE?

>>11710522
oh yeez, is that what you guys look like?

>>11714896
Metal Gear Solid is a good game.

>>11715361
Fair enough point, it was a well-written post just in terms of style. I guess that’s what beguiled most people.

>>11715163
No coherent argument in response, I’ll take it you can’t say anything.

>>11715465
>>11717181
try again

Pynchon is greenpilled

He's basically a Gnostic with progressive social views

>>11706668
His chin is pretty hot.

>>11706489
He's alt right for sure

>>11706489
PP

>Patriotic Postmodernist

>>11706489
Let's just say he disapproves of those of darker complexion.

traditionalist Catholic

mmmm is sexy a politcal slant?

>>11722459
Pynchon is a WASP

>>11723384
He was a Catholic with Catholic parents when younger and went to Mass as a young adult according to reliable reports.

Pynchon’s religious and mystical views is probably a more interesting question than his political views. He’s pretty heavily into the occult and Western esoteric tradition if his books are anything to judge by. >>11719257 may be right.

>>11719257
>>11723563
Harold Bloom argues that the "They" of Gravity's Rainbow are essentially archons, and the Byron the Lightbulb segment represents the tragedy of gnosis--Byron exchanges his ability to act for knowledge, and thus is damned to know why there is so much material suffering in the world and to watch others in pain, yet remains forever impotent and incapable of sharing his knowledge that would help them

>>11708977
>He fetishizes the 60s, pop music and science, hates the Man, and loves television and marijuana
Uh not really

>>11708977
Cringy incel poltard

>>11723563
He's not into the occult unironically. The occult is something both Germans of the Nazi period and 1960s normie culture were into. Delillo writes about it in Libra. Celine writes about it in North.

Why are all Pynchon readers so retarded?

>>11724003
Wow, thanks for telling me something I already knew, giving no new information, and showcasing your huge ego, fuckwipe. Whoa, like, Pynchon is actually into the occult?? Whoaaa I didn’t know that dude.... I was using this as a basis and wanted to go beyond it to more specific speculations, kindly go fuck yourself, you arrogant non-entity.

>>11723742
eat shit and die festering piece of shit

you know it's true, pyn is barely any different from any other status quo normie

>>11724003
>He's not into the occult unironically.

Unironically kys. No one does the level of research into it and has the level of focus on it shown in M&D, ATD, and GR without being interested in it or becoming interested in it along the way.

>>11724061
no it isn't, that guy doesn't know what he's talking about and his mind has become rotted with idpol

>>11724062
or maybe he was just a meticulous researcher