/lit/ - Literature

>>11700773
>doesn’t post the 18 verses
>expects replies
lol

>>11700834
This. Someone please post it

>>11700773
This is one of my favorite things.

>>11700849
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areopagus_sermon

>>11700858
Besides the unknown god thing, where does he BTFO Greeks?

OP, non-Christians don't know about the sermon on Mars Hill.

>>11700773
the peterson of his time. he told them to clean up their rooms. some of them indeed had dirty rooms. therefore everything else he said and vaguely implies must true.

demagogues and their followers never change

>>11700773
I just read it. It's literally nothing but "Your faith is wrong and mine is right.".

>>11701143
cringe post here, folks

>>11701271
t. Peterson

>>11701212
You missed all the "fors" and "ifs" and "forasmuchs" and "thoughs." You missed, you know, reason.

It's pretty pathetic how people argue about things and make up their ridiculous theories when the answers have already been given to us by God. They think they're being intelligent but they're only scrambling around in the dark and squawking like retards.

>>11700773
So pretending to know God is supposed to be clever?

Roman Catholicucks and Orthococksuckers btfo too
God does not belong in temples or churches. He is to be found and worshippped anywhere and everywhere, and by faith only may Man know His presence.

>>11701090
Pre-Christian Hellenistic thought emphasized humanity above all else, and was concerned mainly with questions of human agency and experience. Stoicism and Epicureanism, for example, identified the ultimate good as the product of human virtue and pleasure, respectively, reflecting a wider trend of anthropocentrism going back all the way to Thales of Miletus and Xenophanes of Colophon, and sparing not even Plato. Paul showed the Athenians through their own recognition and acknowledgement of the unknown, which is to say everything beyond the limits of humanity, as the domain of a God previously undeclared to them, yet Who their poets already spoke something of, and still yet they knew as the unknown, that humans are not the center of existence, and so cannot adequately worship that God through their own productive activity, which is to say materially, which is what humanism ultimately boils down to, a vapid obsession with trifling things in the face of the eternal mystery. Paul showed them the limitless by showing them their limits.

>>11701459
Are all christians this brainlet or is it just you?

>>11701464
Insulting another only demonstrates your own anger.

>>11701459
what would the "opposite" of this pre-christian hellenistic thought? neoplatonism?

>>11701459
>anthropocentrism going back all the way to Thales of Miletus and Xenophanes of Colophon
Pls expand, I've studied both of these authors and don't remember anything specifically anthropocentic about them, Xenophanes even shat on his contemporaries for their anthropocentric gods.
>The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black,
>While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.
>Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw,
>And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods
>Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape
>Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own.

>Greeks realize the limits of their knowledge
>"Yeah but my knowledge has no limits lmao just worship my god since I already know it all xd"
Christcucks are the most narcissistic of them all

>implying
>>11701459
>Pre-Christian Hellenistic thought emphasized humanity above all else, and was concerned mainly with questions of human agency and experience
That's the thinking in the Bible, which is consistently anthropocentric throughout, as opposed to Greeks' cosmocentrism.
>the ultimate good as the product of human virtue and pleasure
According to the RULES OF NATURE, that is
>a wider trend of anthropocentrism going back all the way to Thales of Miletus and Xenophanes of Colophon, and sparing not even Plato
Learn how the Greek relate to fate lmao
>yet Who their poets already spoke something of
The poets were the bigger pagans and polytheists than philosophers and playwrights, writing the myths of all these deities, with theophagy, theoxenia, human deities with human emotions and flaws. Not the philosophers. Read the Timaeus.
>humanism
A foreign idea to slave-owners and apologists of the aristocracy. No wonder internet Christians attack the one thing Christianity got underway.
>a vapid obsession with trifling things in the face of the eternal mystery
Like what, collecting afterlife points in order to achieve a heaven that does not welcome everyone, or a fear of eternal torment in a hell that does indeed welcome everyone?
>>11701543
Exactly, he was making fun of idols as much as the Jews, be them Hellenistic or otherwise. A god in man's image is as foreign and anthropocentric to them as man made in capital G God's image.

>>11701543
They tried to explain the world through human reason rather than through myth.

>>11701581
>That's the thinking in the Bible, which is consistently anthropocentric throughout, as opposed to Greeks' cosmocentrism.
>According to the RULES OF NATURE, that is
>Learn how the Greek relate to fate lmao
Insistence is not consistence.
>The poets were the bigger pagans and polytheists than philosophers and playwrights, writing the myths of all these deities, with theophagy, theoxenia, human deities with human emotions and flaws. Not the philosophers. Read the Timaeus.
Paul quoted a specific line. Forest meet tree.
>A foreign idea to slave-owners and apologists of the aristocracy. No wonder internet Christians attack the one thing Christianity got underway.
Humanism is not a synonym of humanitarianism.
>Like what, collecting afterlife points in order to achieve a heaven that does not welcome everyone, or a fear of eternal torment in a hell that does indeed welcome everyone?
More like mistaking the feeling of rapidly exhaling air through one's nose while scowling for the sensation of profound speech.
>Exactly, he was making fun of idols as much as the Jews, be them Hellenistic or otherwise. A god in man's image is as foreign and anthropocentric to them as man made in capital G God's image.
Iconoclasm is the purest form of idolatry.

>>11700773
Vanity of vanities...

>>11700773
>Paul btfo by the gospels

>>11701459
What about Clement of Alexandria who said that God gave the Jews the Law and Greeks philosophy.
None of these things are trifling and fit quite well with New Testament ideology.

>>11700773
Umm no sweetie, see that Greek man in the bottom right corner? He would go on to write the greatest work of Greek philosophy (four hundred years later) and complete the Apollo-Magian system.

>>11701352
What are the answers?

>>11700773
Isn't this just foreshadowing of the Catholic heresy?

>>11702262
Pseudo-Dionysus the Aeropagite was not that special, when looked at in comparison to Plotinus.

>>11702262
Explain, please.

>>11700773
Nice, anon, this is my favorite Raphael

>ZTOOBID FUGGINK GREEGS WHY YOO VORSHIP VOLDEMORT!?
>DUND YOO NO HE GRABBED DUH BOOZY!?
The absolute state of level 99 Christian Paladins.

>>11702352
He's better than Proclus, who was miles ahead of "no explanation for the cause of matter" Plotinus.

>>11702353
Christian Neoplatonism, see pic.

>>11700773
>not even one of the twelve apostlea
>makes up a bunch of shite and imposes his dominance over the institution of the church
>two thousand years of lies

Pauline Christianity is a mirage that masks the true words of Christ

>>11701143
Fucking kill yourself. You're an embarrassment to mankind. Even if ironic, comparing St. Paul with Jordan Peterson is worthy of fucking decapitation.

>>11702346
>Proof of the heresy of the Catholic Church is the pope washing black people foot

Retarded amurigan.

>>11702599
You sound like a triggered Neonazi conspiracy theorist.

>>11702617
What he said is actually worse than Peterson. It's SJW levels of stupidity, as per >>11702417

>>11702630
I was referring to the idol worship.
But keep pretending that your misunderstanding of a meme amounts to True Belief (TM).

>>11702640
Can you refute the charge that Paul seriously distorted the tenets of christianity as promulgated by christ?

Parmenides:

>he explains how reality (coined as "what is-is") is one, change is impossible, and existence is timeless, uniform, necessary, and unchanging.

Jesus:

>His disciples said to him: "On what day shall rest come to those who are dead, and on what day shall the new world come?"
>He said to them: "This rest that you wait for has already come, and you have not recognized it."

Catholics:

>we know nothing of god and neither can you and my idol is bigger than yours therefore i'm right

The Apostles gave justification for the later wholesale destruction of the wisdom of antiquity when they burned the books of """magic""" in the square like the superstitious Jews that they were

>>11702773
>the later wholesale destruction of the wisdom of antiquity
This is totes a thing that happened guys!

>>11701143
You are perfectly correct and your comparison is reasonable.

> b-but when I was a child I thought childish things and now I'm an adult aka too scared to wear a fedora cause people will say mean stuff about me online so I can't be an atheist!

One guy defending a nonexistent deity criticizing other guys for honoring nonexistent deities.
At least the Greeks were better poets and artists than the Jews. The only book of the Bible that matches the level of someone like Aeschylus or Homer is The Book of Job. Then there’s all the philosophy, the sculpture, the paintings, democracy, the germs of the scientific thought and all the other gifts of the Greeks to human civilization.
Only a Christ-fag would think that Saint Paul is BTFOing anyone. After all, it would take the state machinery of Rome, the sword, the flames and the threats to actually help Christianity to expand. It’s just another religious system among many, but in this case one with a whole political and martial machinery behind it.
Oh, not to mention that the Greek myths are more interesting and full-blooded than the ones in the Bible. Not that the Bible doesn’t have some pretty entertaining stories, but even in this aspect the Greek world is more exuberant and colorful.

>>11702963
>implying there's something wrong in using the state machinery to spread the word of the one true God in order to save as many people as possible from the eternal fires of Hell
Found the Protestant non-believer cuck.

>>11703029
>cuck.

I don’t submit to anyone and don’t let any fears and agonies distort my view.
In your case, you are glad to accept premises without any single shred and dust-speck of evidence only to feel comfortable and tranquilize your anxieties. You don’t do it for love of other, you don’t do it for compassion, you don’t do it for the world: you do it for yourself. All your blind faith comes from fear and egocentrism ("I'm too important to keep existing. My daddy and mommy cannot really die. There must be another form of reality, we can't be created simply to cease. There are people who do wrong things and they deserve hell. But I and the ones I love will sure be saved, etc, etc, etc".

The cuck here is you. You submit to the will and visions of others simply because you are fearful little goblin. Typically submissive life-style.

>>11703029

These people need to leave /lit/. Fanatics are always trash. I bet this guy is one of the anons who post in monarchy threads.

>>11703029

>I used to be an atheist, but then I grew up to be edgy and full of anger. I became sad and depressed and didn’t see any point on keep on living. I was lost, but one day I found Jesus, and realized that he loves me, that always had. I realized my errors and my pride, but now I am a humble servant of the Lord and the one true God, and I have never been happier in my life.

Poor bastards. Always the same story.

>an argument against Greeks serves as a refutation of “start with the Greeks”

How brainlet is your modern christcuck Jesus fucking Christ

>>11703135
>How brainlet is your modern christcuck

Sometimes it's not even a matter of intelligence, but of fear and insecurity. Most christcucks here are this type of guy:

>>11703104
>>I used to be an atheist, but then I grew up to be edgy and full of anger. I became sad and depressed and didn’t see any point on keep on living. I was lost, but one day I found Jesus, and realized that he loves me, that always had. I realized my errors and my pride, but now I am a humble servant of the Lord and the one true God, and I have never been happier in my life.

>>11701459
*yawn* why is christian sophistry so fucking boring