/lit/ - Literature

>>11677999
mishima was a really interesting guy, but insane, and consumed by his kinks

>>11677999
i mean, he had a wife. he might have been homosexual, but he definitely wasn't gay, but he was definitely based and redpilled, that i can tell you

>>11678012
I don't understand why he is regarded as this great traditionalist to aspire to. I do admire his conviction; he truly lived (and died for) his values. But his values were fucking weird in some cases. Homos are weird people.

>>11678019

we cannot, in good conscience and as gentlemen, condone this man's degeneracy. much less celebrate it as something to aspire to.

>>11677999
>basically this nigga was gay as fuck and was obsessed with death

Yeah and he wrote about it in a more beautiful and compelling way than you will ever write anything in your life

>>11678024
In good conscience and as gentlemen, I condone this man's degeneracy. and celebrate it as something to aspire to.

>>11678037
Did I hit a nerve, fairy?

>>11678048
yes, exactly. this is the kind of man one risks becoming when beguiled by the degenerate work of yukio mishima.

>>11677999
what kind of retarded faggot reads Mishima without knowing he’s a shameless aesthete and homoerotic king? The man lived a remarkably self-fulfilled life from beginning to end. How many people have the courage, willpower and disregard for the opinions of others to contrive their death to be the ultimate consummation of all their erotic, philosophical, political and artistic fixations

>>11678052
I'm not gay at all, I just think he was a great writer and his subject matter a stupid basis to criticise him on as a writer seeing as it inspired him to write his best work.

I see from your response you're not really interested in a real discussion though, so have fun with your bait thread I guess.

>>11677999
mishima is based.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPAZQ6mhRcU

>>11678024
as a gentleman and a gamer, i agree. though we cannot celebrate or condone his acts of degeneracy, we can, however, still in good conscience, aspire to emulate the man's absolute conviction in his beliefs. regardless of what his beliefs were, he died for them, and this is supremely honorable. he was like a gamer who, being oppressed by society, rose up and said "No." he didn't cuck out, and that is a rare thing to find amongst modern men. the few who do rise up, must be celebrated as heroes, despite any character flaws. in death, these men become legends, they shed the baggage of accountability. its the same thing with skyking. he was a pussy who offed himself, but he did it in such a way that that fact didn't even matter. he became a symbol.

men like these are so far and few between that we must honor them and, more importantly, their spirit - the spirit of a gamer.

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>>11678105
i couldn't disagree with this more. these are utterly selfish men and not to be honored in the least.

>>11678102

>that voice

ROFL, I can't in good conscience take him seriously anymore.

>>11678195
in all seriousness, you're probably right, but i do unironically think that these guys had balls, balls enough to put their money where their mouths were and die for it. maybe the men themselves ought not to be admired, but i do think their conviction should be. can you not admire a certain quality in a man without condoning every belief he had?

>>11678223
i do understand what you're geting at. and i've thought about these issues for 30 years now. your zeal to point out the quality of adhering to one's convictions is admirable and no doubt coming from a well-meaning place. thanks for the exchange.

>>11678019
based

>>11677999
Wouldn't call him gay, just very troubled. He just got his point across in all kinds of weird ways. He always put poetry before any logical structure.
You should give the rest of his works a shot as well.

>>11678019

>>11678019
redpilled

>>11677999
Looks like armpit fetishists are the superior beings

>>11678020
He had a beautiful but twisted soul. I admire him like an exotic creature.

>>11678215
his voice is cool though

>>11677999
It's funny when straight guys are completely oblivious to the sexualization of men. You really don't need to read Confessions of a Mask to see the homoeroticism in Mishima's work nor the obsession with death and violence, but I guess it helps if he spells it out. Weird that you mentioned the armpits bit, masturbating to a St.Sebastian painting seems a bit more striking.

>>11677999
>okay that's an interesting perspective, he's pretty obsessed with the body and physicality

Is this your interpretation of Sun and Steel? What a 10 dollar interpretation.

He says that he was trying to align the body with the intellectual work he was doing, because historically intellectuals were and are notorious for ignoring the body and matter in general. If there is such a thing as an perfect ideal, it must exist simultaneously within the mind and the body.

Which is a great sentiment if you ask me, and can't be reduced to "lol obsessed!".

>>11677999
>he's pretty obsessed with the body and physicality
But that's not it.
The point of Sun and Steel is that he wants to be as interested in the body and physicality as much as he is interested in mind and intellect.
He wants to make it so that he's not an incomplete version of a man, that greatness of words is accompanied by greatness of action.

>>11678019
Japs have the same perspective on homosexuality as the ancient Greeks. It's rather well accepted for people to want to drill bums but they are still expected to follow societal norms and get married.

>>11679388
Shut the fuck up you pseud. Actually read Sun and Steel, a lot of Mishima's idiosyncrasy is borne from experiences very very fucking obviously homologous to modern fags.

please stop this 'transcendental faggotry' thing. a key theme throughout the book is his literal sense of isolation and feeling of pretending when compared to all the blokes around him

Mishima characterizes a continuation and reconciliation of the traditional Japanese spirit post WW2 when a lot of the darker sides of their culture were being denied in order to appease western sensibilities.

this darker side includes idolization of death/ death not being this bad thing to be avoided at all costs, homosexual relationships and strong social order based on heritage.

There is a definite reason why he became so popular in Japan that goes beyond appealing to some closeted homos and sadists...

He was a very tragic figure and a lot of his work deals with these similar kinds of heroes who sacrifice them selfs for big vague ideals while achieving little of consequence. They're struggling against the inevitable force of history in which they will be lost between the lines.

I think that Mishima was the catharsis of a superfluous way of life that almost overnight became taboo.