/lit/ - Literature

>>11653126

In the old days you had to be born into the right caste in order to be rich, aka, the nobility. There was no chance of the classes ever mixing, and if they did because one became completely disenfranchised, like Nicholas Levin in Anna Karenina, the offspring was almost guaranteed to be of a lower class because of the sickliness and degeneracy required to divorce ones self from high society and nobility. So, even if you had children with such a person, and you happened to receive pity from someone formerly related to the noble that had resorted to associating with, your child would forever be looked down upon because of its background and invalidity. Luckily, the peasants had god.

>>11653812
So... are you thankful our class is no longer so physically evident from poor nutrition or are you arguing we should strap boards to baby head's so their class is permanently obvious on their skull?

I SAY HIBBIDY DIBBIDY DAB
*dabs*

>>11653126
I say that pretentious booklets are a bunch of fags who probably don't contribute anything meaningful to society. A dude who plays video games and smashes the pucci is better than some pretentious /lit/cuck who gets no pucci but read all the books

For the longest time I've hated free verse poetry, mostly because so much of what I've read of it is awful. But reading Wallace Stevens has sort of made me change my mind. I think it is possible to write free verse poetry that is great and powerful, that strikes and moves like metered poetry. It's just extremely difficult. I also think that regular meter has a power that even the best free verse can't quite match. There's something to be said for regular repetition of sounds and syllables.

>>11654012
I'm the opposite. I can't stand the distracting nature of metered poetry.

>>11653126
In this age of inflated information generated by libraries and the internet how is anyone expected to be correct about anything?

I get frightened, distancing myself from the sensibilities of most of those my age I being to see more and more of a weakness, but I resent so much of the culture I don't think I can go back. Especially since I've bypassed a particularly dark period by installing a strong sense of self worth.

Dark times ahead of me are sure, I am to blame and the solution seems very difficult.

No this isn't how I talk normally, I just did it because I wanted to faggot

Folks... The CIA killed John Kennedy. CIA, CIA, CIA, period.

what exactly is this thread?

>>11653126
How do you guys organize your political thoughts? It seems to me I internalized the radical(if only on the internet) conflict between right and left, and this has been very taxing on my mind.

>>11654088
We're discussing the JFK assassination, which was organized by the CIA. It is incontrovertible

What d'ya think of Hart Crane and Eliot?

>>11654098
Transcend politics, anon. We are men of the mountains; past the north wind; above the wretched, ephemeral chatter.

>>11654110
Both were descended from Anglo-American aristocracy, which was heavily represented in the CIA (the institution which carried out the JFK assassination)

>>11654117
>BAP tier banter
Doesn't sound very apolitical, anon

>>11654063
>Dark times ahead
Hey I'm already in these haha. See ya soon.

Where does the "Holy... I want more" meme come from?

are we all gonna make it?

>>11653126
I'm thinking about submitting short stories to the creative writing section of my schools publishing department. Going to start off with a story about a doorman on park avenue robbing apartment of people who are assholes to him.
>>11654177
yeah brah

>>11654167
reddit
someone wrote a really shitty response to a very reddity writing prompt
some siccafant wrote "holy... i want more"

So know it's used as mock praise for a reddity piece of writing

>>11653126
There's already a "write what's on your mind", you know

YOUNG GIRL + STREET ARTIST

A girl (bored, charmed and beautiful) sits blondely on the chair and grey upon the canvas. Two pairs of eyes -- one blue, the other flat -- meet mine. She winks at me with both eyes. I leave in a hurry -- to jump over fountain stream and well-bloomed flowers.

On my return; our grey girl had grown a mouth. The blonde? still had just the one. O to be a muse! O to be amused and have your image harvested by men who'd never draw your organs. Is not you spleen as real as those semi-parted lips, my love?

>>11654215
Thanks. Reddit is the answer to so many questions.

A dream:
I am Charles II (the Horrible Histories version) seducing a laughing courtesan.
She's sworn to chastity -- but we compromise on going only half way.

I make love to just half her body: kiss but one cheek, caress a single breast, and stroke one side of vulva.

What would Freud have said?

>>11654098
Study the third position

Poemme de Terre

Recite poetry to the trees
Teach maths to the rocks
Send children to war
Send children to die

"Everything between death and sex, but including neither, is erotic." I told her
"There is no philosophy is semen" she replied

Mirror, Mirror, On the wall
How was your day?
Her's was a rose but I don't like roses.

>>11654348
>Study the third position
Is there a comfy mix of the both sides?
From the right:
+modernity is fucking up nature
+we are losing a piece of our culture with globalization
+border control should be pragmatic
-racism
-fascism, lack individual agency

From the left:
+equality of oportunity for people
+capitalism in it's current form is dehumanizing
+capitalism is fucking up nature
-SJW shit
-dictatorships

>>11654348
>third position
your like a little baby
watch THIS

>>11654490
im a conservative at heart, which is why i support radical communism

i dont get how """conservatives""" unironically support capitalism.
with another 300 years of capitalism, humans wont even exist in any recognisable form (let alone the nuclear christian families living in honey-comb villages).
and after another 100 years, it'll be impossible to end capitalism. so it really is a pressing matter.

frankly, im fine with tumblr lefties, or a regime that the CIA calls a dictorship -- if it postpones the disabled being eaten by robots, or the controlled starvation of humanity.

Does it strike anyone else that atheism, as metaphysical position, is a bit middlebrow? I've noticed most strongly religious people are either really dumb or really smart. It's in between those extremes where I tend to find the atheists.

Someone define "novel" for me please. I've never heard a satisfying definition.

>>11654167
There was only one enemy remaining. Two of you counted god.

>>11653126
I say go into my thread and try writing a thingy, short story whatever.

>>11655189
It's a little hard to pin down, because there seems to be more to a novel than merely being a long prose work.

Based on a class I took in graduate school, I think that a novel has to have the following characteristics:

-written in prose
-realistic, concerned with everyday occurrences and events (no supernatural/miraculous elements)
-strong focus on the reliability of the narrator (or lack thereof)
-strong focus on the development of individual characters, rather than using said characters as archetypes to advance a central themes

This thread has really gotten off topic. Please, let's continue our examination of the CIA's involvement (total) in the assassination of JFK

>>11655188
a cynical explanation.

everyone wants to believe in God
the stupid see no flaws. smart people see the flaws and accept the tragedy of atheism.

it take a really genius to see all the flaws and do the mental gymnastics required to counter them (eg: W L Craig)

>>11654408
is this about vagina

b u m p

>>11654250
>sits blondely
Art

>>11656168
are you being sarcastic :(
she was honestly the most beautiful young girl i'd ever seen

>>11655216
I disagree with the “realistic” criterion. Would you really say fantasy novels aren’t novels? Or that 18th century romance novels (Anne Radcliffe and the like) aren’t novels?

I’m also skeptical of the “characters aren’t archetypes” one. Most novels have enough going on that their characters have more complexity than basic stereotypes, true, but would a novel of archetypical characters really not be a novel because of it?

>>11656231
Not him, but I liked it. It was a fresh idea and use of language I hadn’t seen.

If i post some poetry will anyone critique it?

there might be a critique thread but i like the vibe of this thread its v friendly

I have lived the life I would have writ, gentlemen.
Life has been the poem I would have writ
But I could not both live and utter it.

Bid ye well, men, and live ye long.

>>11653126
>farts

>>11656769
I might very well go far enough to say that fantasy novels aren't "true" novels. It seems to me that fantasy novels and sci-fi novels continue the tradition of the Medieval romances in prose, while true, real novels, starting with Don Quixote, are specifically a departure from that tradition.

>>11656792
no one who lived a life worth being writ would write so
it would be written of them

>>11656800
Interesting take on what a “true novel” is, but what about something like Bram Stoker’s Dracula? It has miraculous and supernatural elements, but would you say it is not a novel? It has complex characters, dynamic narration, and a certain degree of realism.

It seems to me that you can observe a tendency away from romantic narratives and such in the novel, but that doesn’t mean you have to exclude such narratives from the format.

>>11653812
>In the old days you had to be born into the right caste in order to be rich, aka, the nobility.
Massive generalization even within Europe itself. It depends what you mean by "rich". If you mean own multiple palaces type of rich, then probably yeah. Even before the French revolution you had various countries throughout Europe where one could live as a tradesman/merchant and be quite comfortable. The military as well gave opportunity for class mobility.

And then trump said built the wall. Quite right I say, but why not shoot them?

>>11657552
Shoot them against what, smartypants

>>11654080
>>11654105

wrong. it was the Texans.
>JFK gets shot in Dallas
>Lee Harvey Oswald was from Texas
>Texas Gov. Connally was in the same car as Kennedy but was unscathed
>with JFK dead, Vice President LBJ - of Texas - becomes President

>>11657552
because the world's biggest meme: human rights

>>11653126
How does one write without going insane looking at the paradoxical flatness and nonsensicality of desire and human life?

You should all bow down and worship me as a GOD and together I will make thee kings!

>>11654177
I will but you won't

What ever happened to the Shrek snap meme? I miss it dearly.

should we make a critique thread?