/lit/ - Literature

>>11625717
There’s only one gender
Men are dangling participles

>>11625717
2 Sexes, male and female and then every one in a few thousand there's some genetic abomination.
Sex=gender, ingore post-modernist marxian memery saying they're two different states of being.

>>11625717
sex is when you have a vagina or a penis, xx or xy etc.
gender is where you wear pants or a dress, makeup or no makeup etc

sex can be determined objectively, gender is just a social custom that varies from culture to culture like how the greeks thought wearing pants was unmanly. it therefore follows that there are as many genders as people agree there are. many cultures in history had some sort of "third gender" concept either as an actual social practice or at least in myth.

>>11625717
Why does everyone insist on asking this question? Why not just ignore questions of gender entirely?

The diffrence is just semantics. You can be whatever "gender" you want. It doesnt mean people have to care about it or take you seriously.

>>11625729
Based and pussypilled

>>11625749
>gender is just a social custom
t. ((()))

>>11625763
>fashion is not a social custom

t. quixotic poltard that gave himself brain damage to own the libs

Gender is a social construct therefore gender euphoria cannot exist because nothing is preventing you from covering your tiny little penis with a dress and acting the part, which is all you'll ever be able to realistically do anyways.

>>11625763
The mainstream idea of "gender" being distinct from "sex" is a relatively recent one, and is mainly engineered to justify transsexuals (who prefer to be called transgender now apparently). For pretty much all of human history biological (sex) distinctions have resulted in distinctions between men and women that are clearly signaled by things other than just their genes or their genitalia, like clothing, modes of speech, hair styles, educational attainment, legal status, etc. In a few cultures a third "sex" or 'gender" was recognised, also with its own distinct characteristics.

The current definitions of gender and sex are used and then deliberately muddled. A transsexual first changes his "gender" from male to female by dressing up as a woman (in clear defiance of feminist theory which normally argues that women shouldn't be defined by restrictive gender roles) and mutilating his genitals, but then insists that he is now a "female" both in the sense of gender and sex, since he claims to be exactly the same as a person whose sex is "female" and should therefore be treated identically.

>>11625749
Based and redpilled

"Sex" is a description of a biological state. In humans, this is genetically programmed primarily through our sex chromosomes (X and Y) and this results in two sexes (male XY and female XX). There can be very rare instances of genetic conditions (genetic chimerism, nondisjunction leading to XXY, etc.) that lead to individuals that don't fit perfectly in these two categories. But, that being said, the "male sex" and "female sex" categories work for the vast majority of humans.

You could use the word "gender" as equivalent to "sex". But why have two different words mean the EXACT same thing? It has become more common usage to use "gender" to refer to the social constructs surrounding maleness and femaleness. So, having a penis is part of one's biological sex. But wearing pants and not wearing dresses is an aspect of gender. And there are a shit-load of things that we, in our society, in this period of time, identify as "male" or "female" in gender.

But who could possible embody ALL of these things? I am biologically male and I embody a lot of the social constructs associated with maleness--I don't wear dresses or makeup, I am not very emotional and I don't care much about decoration of my house, etc., etc. But I can't say that I'm 100% male. I barely know anything about cars or car repair. I've never been in a fight and don't care for physical confrontation. I like cats a lot more than dogs. So, is my gender not male? I think the point is, at the end of the day, we shouldn't really give a shit. There may be a whole spectrum of gender between 100% male and 100% female, but who cares? Before this new age of internet feminism, we saw a lot of breaking down of these barriers, socially. Men working as nurses or flight attendants, women working as doctors or firefighters. Men being able to like nice, pretty, things. Women being able to like rough, physical, violent things. Gender was becoming more blurry and, really, why the fuck not? Why not do what you want to do, like what you want to like? why let society stand in the way of your being yourself? but these recent times have seen these barriers come back up, and reinforced. you have a vagina and you like physical sports? maybe you should make your sex match this gender (instead of just living with the sex you were born with and living with whatever gender attributes you feel like). "maleness" and "femaleness" as genders are becoming more important when, really, they should be just as pointless (in the grand scheme of things) as any custom or tradition from an age long past.

not literature

>>11625717
3 if you include hermaphrodites. 4 If you include chinamen.

>>11625783
>gender euphoria

>>11625804
>In a few cultures a third "sex" or 'gender" was recognised, also with its own distinct characteristics.

Give specific examples to this?

>>11625804
>engineered to justify transsexuals (who prefer to be called transgender now apparently)

based and redpilled

>>11625749
so if i have a vagina and wear pants i am a man? or trans?

>>11625926
You can wear whatever you want sweet heart

>>11625920
not the guy you are replying to but femminiello and galli come to mind

>>11625734
Hi Jordan

>>11625734
>Sex=gender, ingore post-modernist marxian memery saying they're two different states of being
This argument is always completely idiotheaded. The entire reason the word 'gender' is used in this context is to distinguish it from 'sex'. If you want to reject that distinction, then reject the word 'gender', don't try to claim it has some pristine meaning that has been subverted.

>>11625896
>you have a vagina and you like physical sports? maybe you should make your sex match this gender
This is an excellent example of why sex shouldn't be ignored though. Women are biologically weaker than men, and you can't change this with cosmetic surgery (and every sane person should agree that sex change is nothing but cosmetic surgery). I'm a 1.86 m, robust man. Imagine if I were to cut my penis into a vagina and start practicing and participating in a physical, female sport. I would, given my biology, have greater chances of success than any biological woman, and that's unfair.

>>11625749
I don't think that this is how people actually think in practice though.
It doesn't seem like a useful distinction, or one that matches up with how words are commonly used.

When right wingers go "xy chromosome or penis means man in a dress" this is obviously consistent with your definition of sex.
But I doubt that these kinds of comments are seen as acceptable to activists.

Most people use the terms sex and gender interchangeably. Your definition of "sex" is what people mean when they say biological sex/biological gender.
pic related is already too complex for the vast majority of people to care about, especially when it affects such a small number of people.
This doesn't mean that everyone should be assholes to trannies, but it's already too complex for the average joe.

>>11625911
based and yellowpilled

>>11625717 >>11625734

Sex is more varied than just Chromosomes; Hormones, Genitalia, Secondary Sex Characteristics and general brain structure make up Sex.
Intersex people (those who have alternative Chromosome arrangements) can't be brushed off because they are so common; as common as ginger haired people (in the West), to say that they are not worthy of consideration is to say that gingers do not exist either.

>>11625997
>It doesn't seem like a useful distinction
Are you kidding me? That's the only useful distinction you can draw between the words "sex" and "gender". And there *is* a reason to draw such a distinction: the supposed biological basis of gender roles is being eradicated before our own eyes in this very moment. What honest person nowadays could believe that whether you wear pants or a dress is something biologically determined?

>>11625973
People understand what the distinction being made between them is.
But for hundreds of years beforehand the words sex and gender have been used as synonyms for each other, and so it is confusing when social scientists introduce an academic distinction between the two.
The distinction between the two is a modern invention, so it doesn't make sense to demand that people who do not understand your redefinition of the word stop using it. It's not as though the word was invented a new for the concept, it was an existing word that has been redefined.

>>11625717
>/lit/ - literature

>he hasn't taken the molluscpill

there is only one gender, and it is desiring-octopus. can we move on with all this gender stuff now?

>>11625734
>Sex=gender, ingore post-modernist marxian memery saying they're two different states of being.

this is a postmodern meme in itself and the reason why MUH IDENTITY is a manufactured wedge issue

>>11625717
there are 3 genders in my language (actually 5)
- masculine (masc. animate or inanimate), feminine, neutrum

>>11626053
The problem is that these words were synonyms in our language for a long time.
Now that they are no longer synonyms, people are confused and fail to use them in the correct manner.

Sure it's a useful academic distinction, but it's not one that reflects common usage and it's not one that is useful to the vast majority of ordinary people who don't know a single trans person.

People who don't identify with the regular old genders of male, female, usually only talk about genders and no other topic. Gender is now a hobby, it's apparently something interesting and fun to talk about... The only interesting thing about genders is that people who fell like they aren't male or female claim that they don't like to be put in a box. They do however like to get their own box, a new one, and go inside that one, because that's where the cool kids are at.

>>11626113
Honestly I'd have a lot more respect for this movement if they promoted a complete rejection of label systems.
But instead they just want to replace our existing label system with a new and improved label system, where everyone get's to have their own special gender & sexuality label combo to identify with.
Why not just take this idea of marginalized identities to it's logical conclusion and reject group labels entirely?

>>11626093
So... educate people on the matter?