/lit/ - Literature

my diary desu

I fapped once and hurt my penis. Now my penis has sharp pain every once awhile.

Repent

This trend of >any books for [thing I just want to blog about] type threads is starting to piss me off

>>11604054
any books about that?

>>11604054
care to explain?

>>11604054
damn I knw its almost as if people want to discuss books on a board designed for discussing books, these are truly the end times

>>11604081
bbbbbbbbbbrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapppppppppppppppppp

>>11604071
low-quality bait threads that would be so on par with reddit's /r/books if that subreddit hadn't been literally only meme-tier literature like LOTR and Harry Potter.

>>11604081
People like OP don't need some magical specific book, they need basic self discipline

>>11604038
Sayings of the Desert Fathers

>>11604054
Any books for this feel?

Any books to make me not want to kill people who make threads like OP?

>>11604038
Read 'Science Discovers the Physiological Value of Continence'
Crude in it's hypotheses but should help set your mind on the right track.

There are several posts on /lit/ late spring that have documented how you can quit it in depth. I would suggest searching an archive with the term.

>>11605544
Sample

>>11604038
imagine being this pathethic

get a fucking job useless piece of shit

>>11601825

>>11605544
Holy fuck thank you so much for this anon. I didn't have that much of a problem compared to today's standards but this and other sources just literally blew my mind. I especially realized I had a problem this summer while on vacation. My mind was constantly polluted with sexual thoughts due to seeing beautiful women everywhere. I absolutely hated myself and it would distract me, even hours later. I think I just took the no fap pill.

>>11605558
>they are pouring the very substance of their nerves and brain


jesus christ

>>11606333
>zomg girls have cooties

that's how you "ascetic" fags sound, grow the fuck up

>>11606771
>create strawman
>XD this is literally you

>>11606776
>omg i saw a hot chick and had sexy thoughts!
>now i feel guilty boohoo

did u just hit puberty or something? you're fucking infantile

>>11604038
You don't need to quit until you progress through vanilla to anal to shemale to twink and so on

>>11605558
>led a continent life from birth, and so did Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo
lmao yeah no
Leonardo was arrested when he was around 24 for engaging in a threesome with a brother and his sister (who were around 16-17) and only got away unpunished because he had friends in high places
it's a well documented fact that young Leo was a player and had a preference for his own sex
the guy who wrote this is full of shit

>>11606778
It's a source of distraction that incurs erection and reduces inhibitory control and working memory. It ruins productivity, focus and necessitates release a few hours later which has terrible consequences on motivation. It's a constant source of distraction and vicious cycle unless you become totally celibate and prevent the process from unfolding in the first place.

>>11606845
t. Walter Isaacson.
Historical revisionism based on conjecture, the post.

>>11606865
>guy saw a chick in a bikini at the beach and got a boner


you are 15 aren't u lmao

>>11606870
based and redpilled

>>11604038
Kreutzer Sonata memed me into NoFap

>>11605922
Well, this is actually the reason Kreutzer Sonata memed me into NoFap

>>11604038
Just curious. Why would you (or anyone in this thread who has ever felt this way) want to give up on masturbation? As long it's not impeding you from your daily tasks and responsibilities (i.e. having an addiction), I don't see a logical reason. Is your urge to stop founded on religion, or are you tired of sex at all?

>>11606945
there are a lot of religious wackos on 4chan

"Drop Your Penis", by Jordan B Peterson

>>11606880
Didn't read the post, did you?
I'm not OP.

>muh hormone filled teenage years
This is a myth, especially in the pornography era where the largest driver compelling sexual behavior is habituation and reinforcement vis-à-vis delta FosB induction. The more you do it, the greater the urge. My sexual release frequency, when unrestrained, only increased as I aged. I might have done it once a week when I was 15. Twice a day nearing the mid 20s.
I never had uncontrollable erections in public in my teenage years. I only started getting them 10 years later after a decade of pornography consumption that gave me hypofrontality and made me sex obsessed that I couldn't avoid arousal. There are neurological consequences to be aroused and major neurological and endocrinal consequences to the sex act and release.

>>11606954
>religious wackos
You summerkid. All "fervently devout" Christian posters are ironic
>>11606945
You're right, we're getting tired (literally) of it.

>>11606945
See

>>11606865
>>11606973
>>11605922

>>11606954
I know. It's rather strange. I wonder if it's due to this 'hip' new wave of conservativism that draws them back to religion. Is it fault JBP's fault?

>>11606945
>As long it's not impeding you from your daily tasks and responsibilities
But it does. Perhaps it doesn't impede you from simply completing them, especially menial tasks, but it is holding you back from exerting your full capabilities; to their highest potential. Just think of that afterglow you receive when you ejaculate. How content with one's own surroundings you become. How you feel the need to lie down afterwards. Regardless of whether you think it's immoral to do so, you cannot deny that you exert energy while doing so. Some of us just want to improve. To use that energy elsewhere.

>not masturbating.

Enjoy your prostate cancer at age 30.

>>11604054
and they're all frogposters

>>11606975
>All "fervently devout" Christian posters are ironic
>being this new
>calling others 'summer'

ok

>>11607026
t. dr. shekelstein

>>11607031
Yes, there are a bunch of Jewish people sitting around a table plotting to get you to masturbate.

>>11607018
i'm actually more focused and productive after i get a nut off, you probably just have low t, maybe for you transitioning to a woman is a better choice than nofap

>>11607028
>pretending they aren't

>>11607035
>i'm actually more focused and productive after i get a nut off
Yeah, if you read what the other anon posted this can be true as well. It's because your mind is so filled with sexual thoughts due to your regular masturbation that a release is almost beneficial to clear your mind in the short term. However the consequence is that these thoughts come back and you must masturbate again and again, feeding the cycle. To truly attain a higher level of energy and focus you must abstain for so long that regular sexual thoughts do not pollute your mind and sap your energy. That's the difficult part for most people to accept. I almost don't blame them either since in the modern age, with any sort of pornography at your choosing being a click away.

>>11607026
Moron. The opposite is the case.
>Sexual activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed at a younger age
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x

>Whereas frequent overall sexual activity in younger life (20s) increased the disease risk, it appeared to be protective against the disease when older (50s). Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s

>Prostate cancer mortality among Catholic priests.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7242091/

>Twelve deaths from prostatic cancer were observed while 19.8 were expected. This represents a mortality experience significantly less than that of the general noncelibate population. Lower mortality ratios were found also for cancers of the lung, colo-rectum, and stomach. Higher mortality ratios were found for malignant melanoma and unspecified respiratory organs

>>11607034
I mean there are a bunch of Jewish people who want to mutilate the penises of men at birth (thank God I'm not circumcised), why wouldn't they want them masturbating? It's not a far stretch.

>>11607035
You write as though you're a low IQ sex obsessed nigger.

>>11607068
Pretty sure that's a historical and cultural thing that is not just done by Jewish people.

I swear NoFap™ changed my life. I was able to get a girlfriend when I stopped masturbating for JUST ONE WEEK™. Try it now!

>>11607074
Yeah okay, we get it amerimutt, your jewish doctors mutilated you at birth.

>>11605558
Not true btw

>>11607081
>he thinks the point of nofap is to get a gf
Never gonna make it.

>>11607086
not an argument.

>>11607081
Literally no one is saying in this entire thread to replace on form of sexual release with another. Both incur losses, impede motivation and are harmful to flow states.

>“The reabsorption of semen by the blood is the strongest nourishment and, perhaps more than any other factor, it prompts the stimulus of power, the unrest of all forces toward the overcoming of resistances, the thirst for contradiction and resistance. The feeling of power has so far mounted highest in abstinent priests and hermits (for example, amoung the Brahmans).”

One thing I just don't get about this thread is the relation between lack of masturbation and productivity. If you're not addicted, you're just trying to justify your laziness through a religious or a conservative behaviour.

Humans are sexual beings, and its sexual necessities are expressed through physiological impulses

>>11607120
>sexual beings
Says who? Animals are sexual beings. Watch what happens if you don't neuter your dog, he starts fucking everything in sight. This is absolutely not true for humans. There is obviously a necessity to procreate but there is not a necessity to fuck everything at all times or to ejaculate incessantly. Besides, it is the mark of humans to be able to restrain themselves from base desires. We are not animals.

>>11606778
It's something you sooner or later want to outgrow. The truth hurts

>>11607113
lmo this is real

>>11607120
>One thing I just don't get about this thread is the relation between lack of masturbation and productivity.
Masturbation has physiological consequences that occur whether you are addicted or not.

The fact is that the sex act (masturbation included), from arousal to ejaculation to habituation has chilling physiological repercussions.
Endocrinology and neuroscience show that shy of drugs, no other action affects the body so much, so suddenly--- hormones, neurotransmitters, are all profoundly affected. Upon arousal, dopamine is released, not only in the capacity of motivating you, as would be the impetus for wanting to grab that needle of heroin, but you are biologically rewarded just for the mere image of arousal!
Then sexual stimulation occurs, and opioid facilitated reward begins, as even more dopamine is released.
Finally, it culminates in orgasm. The final reward is there. Endogenous opioid peptides suddenly flood the brain, the love hormone oxytocin for bonding is released which also signals the conversion of T to DHT, 5-HT increases, and the anti-dopamine hormone prolactin rises sharply, gonadotropin inhibitory hormone is released, and that is just scratching the surface.
With endless variety, this act is able to be repeated beyond what would ever be encountered in nature and it takes a severe toll.
Your strongest motivation pathways become your sexual ones! The limited resources of the brain and body are squandered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4896089/#S6title

>If you're not addicted, you're just trying to justify your laziness through a religious or a conservative behaviour.
This does not make any sense. I don't have a "religious or conservative behavior" nor am I trying to justify laziness.
>Humans are sexual beings
Humanity's current state of hypersexuality is the result of constant bombardment of sexual stimuli and perpetual reinforcement of the sexual urge from puberty onward whilst living a near totally sedentary lifestyle.
Moreover, these stimuli always provoke novelty, and introduces an unlimited number of what your body believes healthy candidates for procreation, overriding the frequency that would otherwise be rate limited within mongamy (IE Coolidge Effect)
Were it not for these artificial super-stimuli, life of ease, and constant endless variety, the sex act would tire very quickly.
>sexual necessities are expressed through physiological impulses
It is not a necessity.
>are expressed through physiological impulses
And water is wet. You try to sound intelligent by this statement but it's obvious you're ignorant of what gives rise to these impulses and what the physiological penalty is that follows what they beget.

>>11607241
Thank you based anon. Just know that you helped another anon finally get the motivation to reclaiming his life back from base sexual desires.

>>>/r/nofap

>All these degenerates defending fapping

Enjoy your erectile disfunction from watching too much porn

>>11607310
Varg is pretty retarded but he's redpilled on porn at least

>>11607310
Based Varg. I'm glad I gave up porn. My life has been a lot better since and I can get hard again.

>>11606945
>I don't see a logical reason [to abstain]
Is this some sort of joke?
There is actually no logical reason to engage in sexual behavior apart from procreation. There is no objective benefit. It's self-defeating and wastes time and energy. The only motive is base hedonistic pleasure and I would contend the negative effects that follow and the subsequent dulled reward which impedes the enjoyment of non-sexual behaviors, makes indulging a net negative.

It's like saying
>Just curious. Why would you want to give up injecting heroin. As long as it's not impeding you from your daily tasks and responsibilities (i.e. having an addiction), I don't see a logical reason. Is your urge to stop founded on addiction or are you tired of heroin at all?

In like manner, there are drug addicts who manage to make it through life quite well.
Same with people who routinely suffer sexual losses. Just because you are able to complete "tasks and responsibilities" does not mean you are living up to the most productive, efficient version of you possible.


You see, here is what marks the difference between persons such as yourself and I. I don't view my day as a series of "tasks and responsibilities" that get in the way of 'fun time'. I view those goals as my motivators and take extreme pleasure in taking steps to further my grand dreams and ambitions. I do not want everything I do in life to be a hassle and my some pitiful, primal release to be my only reprieve.

>>11605558
I feel as if people definitely had it easier abstaining before the invention of easily accessible pornography. Especially those with a naturally lower sex drive would've never felt the need for it. Even in the 19th century when lewd literature began to pop up more, not *that* many people could get access to it and fewer cared enough to do so.

>>11607297
You're welcome. It brings me joy that you found these posts inspirational and helpful.
Quitting is the most difficult part. I can tell you the psychological pull to engage in sexual behavior (especially after a decade of indulgence) exceeds that of cigarettes and even hard drugs, opiates included. Do not despair, it is still possible to quit.
I would suggest you save some of the posts and images in this thread and return to them for motivation.

Further advice is to pay attention to physicians, philosophers and great men of the past who have commented on the benefits; as you can see, modern neuroscience and endocrinology vindicates their age old advice. Ignore the cacophony of people justifying their abominable, worthless habit. The thought of abstinence causes them to throw a fit. Their greatest priority at all times is when they will get off next. (I will copy and paste a former post of mine where I debunk all of their fallacious arguments too).

Lastly, Nofap is a useless venue, that will cause more harm than motivation and serve as an inducement to fail. At least 90% of the people there reap zero benefits because they are not practicing continence in their minds. Their number one goal is to replace the form of release. They are just as addicted as they ever were, if not more so because their state of abstinence is one plagued by chronic arousal and lusting over obtaining a girlfriend (as you know, even if was obtained, would defeat the entire point of abstinence in the first place). Thus, their crude sexual jokes and tepid enthusiasm for doing this will only serve to induce failure. It's better to avoid these people altogether.

Remember the age old advice and great advocate of abstinence, Gaius Musonius Rufus
>To relax the mind is to lose it

On week 7. I need it to clear brain fog and give me motivation I'm unbelievably lazy when I fap regularly.

Frisk, or it might make you fap more...

>>11607473
From the same book:

>Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.

>>11607478
>(I will copy and paste a former post of mine where I debunk all of their fallacious arguments too).

All present research [relating to sex] is not even rooted in medicine, let alone psychology but the shame field of sexology, which has the a priori assumption that sexual activity is harmless. This is assumed a given on the basis of naturalistic fallacy. The premise that a biological act has no toll, is absurd, and laughable to anyone with even the slightest understanding of medicine.
[Continued]

People who assert that sex and everything relating to it is "harmless" rely on all of the following when confronting evidence to the contrary:
1. Naturalistic Fallacy (it's natural dude!)
2. Freudian reasoning (dude, repression dude!)
3. Appeal to ignorance (well dude, no studies exist so looks like I'm right!)
4. Straw man arguments (le current year)

Looking back, we see that the old research, while crude in it's understanding and attribution of exact mechanistic cause, it nonetheless, appeals to medicine and physiology. The counter research of its day and carrying over to "present research", is far divorced from this, and rather than doctors and men of science studying the field, it is conducted by sham experts with degrees in the social sciences. The fact is, your emperors promulgating this "present research" have no clothes.
Case in point, "Dr." Ruth. She is not a physician as her name implies but holds a terminal degree in teaching. Yet, she plays the role of an expert on all matters regarding sex and holds the notion that it is harmless.

In fact, if we look at the present research from neurology and endocrinology journals, we see that the sex act triggers a profound response in the body, beyond what anyone could have imagined (rises of "prolactin", hypofrontality, habituation, etc).
The 300+ years of research showing the negative effects of the sex act cannot be neglected or swept under the rug with such simpleton assertions. It's time we drop the charade of the sexual revolution and reexamine the hypotheses put forth by physicians and scientists of old.
[End]

>>11607508
Chaste and breadpilled.

>>11607478
Yeah I've already saved some of these posts/links/images. You are one of the posters that make visiting /lit/ still worthwhile.

> I can tell you the psychological pull to engage in sexual behavior (especially after a decade of indulgence) exceeds that of cigarettes and even hard drugs, opiates included.
This is especially the scary part although I've never been addicted to anything in particular except regular masturbation. But I always wonder about the ambiguity of the word "addiction" and whether or not it exists as an objective thing. I think that people always have the choice to quit and often use addiction as an excuse. Thanks for everything though, will get to saving the rest. You seem like a neat guy.

no books op but consider hitting the gym everyday. youre probably fapping because of depressive thoughts or beta-ness. working out increases testosterone and gives you a serotonin boost. i used to jack off several times daily. since i started working out again, i can go several days without easy and im more focused on what i need to be doing. im also in general less anxious and more positive

kind of a self-help book but it's actually a pretty good help on quitting PMOing (it's actually about that)
https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/

Thanks + you're welcome.
Another suggestion, disable thumbnails on this site, or better yet, ad block thumbnails (filter 4chan.org/* ) when you finally kick the habit. You'll still be able to open images if you need to, just will need to control+click the file name to open them in a new tab (control+tab to fast cycle in case it's sexual) and to access threads from the catalog, use thread watcher.

>>11607550
>>11607613 (forgot to quote).

quitting masturbation is retarded. just dont watch porn all day or spend money on camgirls and you will be fine. masturbation is natural and abstaining from it is unhealthy.

>>11607620
>quitting masturbation is retarded
[No reason given]
This is an emotional reaction because people just told you that you cannot have your cake and eat it too. There is a penalty for engaging in it. You dismiss the wealth of information presented thus far by just saying "that's retarded" like a low IQ moron in denial.
>just dont watch porn all day
Pornography causes and sustains the masturbation habit in the first place.
>masturbation is natural
Appeal to nature. Even if we do take your stupid argument seriously, there is no animal that is as licentious and engages in masturbation to the extent that man does ( >>11607498 ). Even if there was, it still isn't a sound argument to engage in this behavior.
>abstaining from it is unhealthy.
Utterly false. There is no mechanism for why this would be the case. You haven't presented one and everyone who argues it is unhealthy, likens semen to some sort of waste product that needs to be evacuated lest it rots. This shows such an ignorant and gross misunderstanding of basic anatomy and physiological that people who say it are retards (another "theory" put forth by social scientists who don't have a medical degree.) It does not rot, and seminal fluid in the vesicles and sperm in the testes are broken down and recycled within the body hourly. In research, we see that abstinent fruit flies and mice have longer lifespans than their copulating counterparts. Celibacy retains nutrients and maintains homeostasis of hormones. The prostate cancer hypothesis is a myth ( >>11607067 ) popularized by one bad study widely peddled by the porn industry and media. Celibate populations have lower mortality risks from cancer and death and in general is healthy. The argument that it is abstinence is unhealthy is laughable to most anyone who has studied medicine.

>>11607691
lmao'ing @ your life

>>11607714
I post here every month or so with this information. I was in a car accident in the spring and am postponing my residency while recovering.
Writing is effortless in a state of abstinence. It isn't a chore. I've wasted no time. Even if no one reads them, I've reinforced both my resolve and arguments.
Better to put this out somewhere on the internet where someone will derive benefit than to confine it to a private journal, and better still, these people will go on to propagate these ideas in their own thoughts, posts and spheres of influence.
Ideas are powerful.

What's sad is people like you dismiss all information and resort to character attacks and assumptions because your measure of success in life is some means of getting off.

>>11607817
>being this assblasted

>>11607714
lmao'ing @ your life

>>11607036

>>11607817
Thank you anon, I really appreciate what you've said

Wanking gives me acne flares and anxiety for at least 4 days after busting

>>11607961
>was on speed/coke
>never masturbated
alri...

>>11607876
You got pimp-slapped nigger sit down.

>>11607876
You got btfo’d

Sad!

>>11604038
any book that's just like dark souls?

Whatever you do don’t edge. I permanently messed myself up doing it.

>>11608039
It's such a bad idea. It'll give your blue balls for hours and keep you awake all night.

>>11607996
He didn't use drugs until the 1930s and even then didn't take them in recreational doses.

You're also wrong. Stimulants increase self control and lower sex drive. These agents decrease the genital size and heighten brain activity (when used sporadically, in low doses and not abused). Animals on them copulate less. However, when forced to, they have conditioned place preference and will exhibit hypersexuality when paired with stimulant + partners to mount.
You're just a piece of shit bugman whose dreams and thoughts are sexual and hedonistic impulses. Not only is your habit drive ruined but your prefrontal cortex is too. You don't care about self control to begin with. That's why you took these drugs to get high and why the first thing you did on them was masturbate or have sex because that's the height of existence for you.

>>11608090
What? I absolutely abhor both masturbation and the use of mind altering, illegal drugs. I've never even done hard drugs anyway. Was just making a bit of a meme lad.

https://imgur.com/a/g4eGH
You have every sources there,thanks me latter.

>>11604038
When Bricks Belong to Faucets by Richard Quixotegung

>>11608054
Kellogg had some good advice on the matter. If you have blue balls, best to start over again. It's a terrible battle and takes a while to get on the right path again but abstinence once corrupted by edging and sexual thoughts becomes tantamount to holding in vomit. It's a graphic way of looking at it but edging but a great way to think of the consequence of it. Avoid stimuli and thoughts that provoke it. A solid foundation with these goals in mind, it's possible to be abstinent for months or even years without incurring blue balls ever.
>Emission not Necessary to Health.—If it be argued that an occasional emission is necessary to relieve the overloaded seminal vesicles, we reply, the same argument has been used as an apology for unchastity; but it is equally worthless in both instances. It might be as well argued that vomiting is a necessary physiological and healthful act, and should occur with regularity, because a person may so overload his stomach as to make the act necessary as a remedial measure. Vomiting is a diseased action, a pathological process, and is occasioned by the voluntary transgression of the individual. Hence, it is as unnecessary as gluttony, and must be wasteful of vitality, even though rendered necessary under some circumstances. So with emissions. If a person allows his mind to dwell upon unchaste subjects, indulges in erotic dreams, and riots in mental lasciviousness, he may render an emission almost necessary as a remedial effort. Nevertheless, he will suffer from the loss of the vital fluid just the same as though he had not, by his own concupiscence, rendered it in some degree necessary. And as it would have been infinitely better for him to have retained and digested food in his stomach instead of ejecting it—provided it were wholesome food—so it would have been better for him to have retained in his system the seminal fluid, which would have been disposed of by the system and probably utilized to very great advantage in the repair of certain of the tissues.

>>11608173
But masturbation is tempted to men by evil spirits, how can you be sure it is a genuine emission and not a chance to commit sin?

>>11605558
holy shit
I just googled lecithin
lack of if it literally cause of mental illness
thanks God Im on the 12 day of no fap. Feels fucking good to be christian.
4chan thinks my post is a spam so im not gonna post any links but google this :
1. Cohen B.M. i wsp., Lecithin in the treatment of mania: Double-blind, placebo-controlled trials, The American Journal of Psychiatry, 1982, 139(9), 1162-1164
2. Stoll A. L. i wsp., Choline in the treatment of rapid-cycling bipolar disorder: Clinical and neurochemical findings in lithium-treated patients, Biological Psychiatry, 1996, 40 (1), 382-388

>>11604038
>falling for the Christcuck NoFap meme

>>11608130
This thread on /lit/ is better than everything in that album combined.

Almost all of these anecdotes are written by people looking to switch the hand for the vagina. The losses are just as debilating and even having it as a goal in mind causes arousal and defeats the magnificent productivity conferred by an abstinent lifestyle and abstinent mind. Some are even inducements to fail. Precisely what these posts said earlier >>11607091 >>11607478
There also is a lewd picture in it and the languaged used (eg "sex", "fuck") activates the sexual pathways. If you're looking for motivation when you're feeling low, visiting that collection is one of the worst things you can do.

Even the pic related, which otherwise would be a good idea, makes abstinence appear difficult.
Quitting is difficult. Once you resolve to quit and get past the first day or two, abstinence becomes nearly effortless (you may still have urges depending on how bad the addiction was). This is especially true after your first few breaks of freedom. The reason people get random urges on nofap because they are looking at pictures of women and allowing the arousal process to unfold. This doesn't work. This defeats the point. You'll be fighting urges instead of being under a blissful state of mind unburdened by sex.

Don't think about sexually arousing things, don't refer to thoughts about abstinence and sexual matters with crude language that's been corrupted as sexual cues, don't view sexually arousing images. An clean mind and environment is the best formula for success.

The QUALITY of the abstinence matters much more than the quantity.

>>11608246
>The QUALITY of the abstinence matters much more than the quantity.
Meant to say
The QUALITY of the *pro-abstinence material* matters much more than the quantity.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2018.1488326

Don't bother with their discussion but the results clearly show many people notice an acute difference in mental state following release

Postcoital blues is well known in man and animal alike.

Biological action has a consequence.

It's no free lunch.

>>11608403
>postcoital blues
That's an understatement.

Sexual cannibalism, where the female devours the male upon copulation, is common among insects, arachnids, amphipods, gastropods, and copepods.
Traumatic insemination is common among certain species of invertebrates, and involves the forced injection of sperm through a wound in the female abdominal cavity.
A species of marsupial, the quoll has mating rituals which often end in the death of the female, due to the violence engaged in during the act by the male.
The queen bee kills off her sister siblings in order to remain the unchallenged monarch, then mates with a dozen or so males who all die in the process.
In every species of octopus, both the male and female die shortly after breeding, the male from a detached tentacle which remains in the female after copulation.
The movements of the male praying mantis intensify after have its head eaten by the female, increasing the effectiveness of the delivery.
In humans, many males become utterly unattractive and useless to the female after the delivery of seminal fluid, having their livelihood all but sucked out of them in the form of alimony payments and divorce expenses, who then, losing all hope for fulfillment in life, commit suicide by various means.

>>11605905
Any books on how to get a fucking job

>>11608490
the key to avoiding postfap blues is to torture your dick while u fap, then when u finish you're so worried you might have done permanent damage that u dont have time to get depressed instead u have anxiety attack while imagining what kind of story to tell the doctor when they have to remove your necrotic dicktip in the er

>>11608498
yo it would be wicked sick to have a job anyone got pointers

>>11608498
>>11608508
This please I want to work in a professional kitchen

>>11608501
Good advice

>>11608519
become a mexican and be willing to work for pennies

>>11608498
the easiest way is if you know someone who can reference you. People really care about that for some reason, just some guy who says to their boss 'hey my friend is looking for a job'. It can be anyone you know, some family member, an acquaintance, whatever.

Second easiest is temp work, you call an agency and they assign you to some job in the morning. These people take literally anybody, excons, homeless, they don't even check up on you. Most of the guys are fucking useless so if you work hard youll be noticed and probably hired by the company that the temp agency is sourcing for,

Third method is just sending out a fuck ton of resumes to every sort of position, and going in person as well. Numbers game, eventually you can get something if you keep trying

4th you go get a degree in something at a college or university, make some connections etc. This requires a lot of effort but probably has the best results on average.

5th you try to be an entrepeneure, if you're asking these questions in the first place idk if this is for you

the wild card is just become a criminal and start robbing people and stores or dealing drugs. always a good choice

as in all things, your standards are relevant, whether you're willing to work any job at all. If you will work whatever you will have a job in 1 week trying these options, unless something is seriously, seriously, wrong with you(ie. schizophrenia or some shit)

>>11608527
n-no... please help anon I want a job

>>11608533
wut if u have a felony

>>11606973
and what's bad about that? better than having a limp dick.

>>11608542
temp agency is your best bet. You just call them up and they say come in at 8am tomorrow to x place. You can find them on places like kijiji, craiglist, etc. Or just search for temp agencies in your city.

If you work hard you can definitely get in somehwere.

Another option is you go hand out a resume, or just go ask to speak to the manager at a restaurant, and say you want a job doing dishwashing. You can quickly move up to line cook and then other stuff if you're good. They also don't give a shit and employ a fuckton of felons and alcoholics. Some construction companies are lenient about this as well, though others are more serious. There are a handful of other jobs like this but they escape me atm.

>>11606973
u know males peak around 27, in unforgiving sports like boxing 27 is physical peak for males, with 22 to 32 being the "prime" physical years, so u shouldnt be shocked to get more bones at 25 than at 15, i was the same way, now that im in my 30s i just fap for fun not cuz i have to and i only try to fuck chicks i genuinely like not just that are hot

>>11608550
>a restaurant
should have said a bar, bars are much better for this, sports bars especially. I got a job back when i was an insane alcholic 20 year old at a bar immediately upon walking in and asking if there were positions.

>>11608550
i used to wash dishes back in the day but its all mexicans now if ur white and ask about work they just laugh at you

>>11608564
you somewhere in the south of america im guessing? idk man maybe shit is different now, the immigration is a real problem.

But the temp agencies do not discriminate, unless your state is weird or something, so try that man, it can 100% work for you. You can even get a nice job like doing carpentry or something

>>11604038
by stop watching porn. also how bad is the problem, is it mostly during the night, or are you doing it in public.

>>11608570
How do I deal with my anxiety while trying to ask for a job? pleaso anon I will have to move with my father and probably kill myself if I have no job by the second month

>>11608584
For one thing a lot of managers don't really care if you act anxious in your interview. they want to assess you for things like being a criminal, lazy, etc. Being anxious might make them think less of you, but it might also make them think you care about the job a lot.

I would just be respectful and honest, except if they ask you shit like 'what have you been doing', just lie and say 'ive been working for a moving company for this guy i know' or some shit like that that they can't verify, but makes it seem like youve been productive.

I know anxiety is a bitch and i feel for you, but if you just make the effort you'll be alright, in a workplace all people really care about is that everyone is on the team trying to accomplish the goal. There are other dynamics of course, but that is the basis of it.

On the other hand you should get help with your anxiety, it's just a thing you have to deal with, and you can find methods to do so. But you can definitely go try out getting a job while being anxious, loads of people are anxious, even people who don't have disordres are anxious a lot of the time and they operate fine.

also anon do not kill yourself if you have to move back in with your father, i mean that is not the end of the world, you can bounce back

>>11608584
u think thats bad what if i wake up
tomorrow and my dick is dead?

>>11608602
see Gogol's theNose and Kafka's metamorphosis for potent, disturbing, and funny variations on that theme

>>11608560
You're a low IQ degenerate piece of shit that should be euthanized.

>>11608600
Thank you, kind anon.

>>11608606
dude im not tryna read anything disturbing until im sure im in the clear, like its mostly back to normal but my foreskin is kind of numb but i think its supposed to be like that right i mean they only really have sexual feeling not normal feeling but maybe thats just wishful thinking, but worst case scenario i'll just have to get an emergency circumcision i think the main cock head is fine and the base of the dick ok other than some redness

>tfw robbed of a foreskin at birth
books for this feeling?
image attached is a frog to grab your attention

>>11608614
i forgot this was the masturbation thread lmao. dude, stop thinking about your dick so much, your dick is fine. Literally it doesn't matter, you can rub your dick red, whatever, it is probably better just mentally to not jerk off that much, but your dick is fine, you are not going to get necrosis, that is entirely in your head, you are tripping out. Seriously forget about your dick lol

alsot those two stories or novellas or whatever they are are great, i recommend them
>>11608611
of course man, and i mean everything i said. I don't have anxiety but i have my own demon and it was imperative for me to realize that other people don't really realize that you have your demon when you are around them. They might have a slight apprehension but when they see you're basically ok they don't even think of that stuff man. You can 100% go out and do what you need to do even with your demon in you, it won't stop you. We all have our cross to bear after all, but we keep walking.

>>11608620
did freud ever write about foreskins? i suppose he might not have had much personal experience with them, but if u dont pull ur foreskin back when u piss the urine stream gives u a little sexual tingling in the tip of your dick, which i imagine serves the same function as whatever weird anal pleasure shit he wrote about...lifehack tho pull ur foreskin back when u piss so u dont get stale urine stuck under it, probably 90% of stank uncut dicks are due to poor urination technique

>>11608620
I think your frog has a mental disorder.

>>11608636
You really should jump off a bridge. How did a brainlets like you wind up here? Actually don't answer that. Just go back to whatever hellhole you came from.

>>11608636
>if u dont pull ur foreskin back when u piss the urine stream gives u a little sexual tingling in the tip of your dick
This isn't even true
>>11608646
this

>>11608646
>white nationalist kekboi mad that somebody has a foreskin

now ive seen it al

>>11608651
>This isn't even true
i guess u got weak stream what can i say

>>11608653
>someone whos seen it all
well now i've seen everything

>>11608657
Taking a shit is a more sexual experience. You're just obsessed with foreskins mate

>>11608667
>sexual feelings from shitting
spotted the jew and or gay jew

>>11608667
i'm just saying freud's anal phase is probably accompanied by a foreskin phase at the same time

>>11608674
You just have a weak anus, what can I say. You coudn't even be a power bottom.

>>11608674
>he's not in tough with his anal sexuality

one time when some chick was giving me head she put her finger on my asshole, my dick jumped immediately but she stopped suckin cuz she thought she was about to get a mouthful, still wonder where she learned that trick

>>11608680
nothing is weak. i'm just not a gay and or jew like you friend

>>11608677
understandable have a nice day

>>11608684
you are weak, face it with courage or perish

>>11608692
>being such a pleasure whore you stick things up your ass
nasty fucker

>>11608696
i see you've chosen to perish :(

yes i am jewish btw ;)

>>11607478
Thanks anon, I'm in a mess right now. Precisely about this subject, all the past relationships that I had sucked something special about me. Not trying to sound romantic, the last girl (rape victim, she told me later) literally abused me and left me with an erectile disfunction, which made me addicted to masturbation. Since then, I always thought about sex with that defeatism prism (for example: "it's overrated"), but then I really got into this idea.
My dad is a man who allegedly fucked more than 500 women in his life, but his life is a disarray of events, it's like watching a plane falling, you know more or less where it will fall and what will happens next. Those 500 laids never helped him for in getting his shit together and never will. Society as a whole see trought the same lens as my dad, the more we fuck, the more complete we are, but I always failed to witness someone who made that and at the same time made something meaningful with his life.

Sex and masturbation was a little pleasure we made to lessen our suffering in life, at least it was how I explained to myself, but as soon as we embrace the suffering and work something from there we can find a new meaning.

>>11608728
Good observation and post.

>>11604038

https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/home

>>11607561
>>11609295
>hackbook
At first, I said, "I ain't clicking that shit, nigga".
However, I searched the URL on Google it and saw that it was safe.

>I am Allen Carr. I am also not Allen Carr. So yes I am not the author. I am the hack-author.

>I hacked Allen Carr’s book and his method of de-addiction to adapt it for porn addiction. Why ? Because his method helped me in getting rid of cigarettes and alcohol. And since research has indicated that porn, especially internet porn acts like cocaine in human brain - I am convinced that it will help in de-addicting an addict to porn as well.

>Why did I hack his work ?. Because he is dead now. And the institution that he had formed does not list Internet porn as one of the addictions that it provides services for. I don't gain monetarily or otherwise. Above all - you won’t ‘find’ me in this book. Myself and Allen will appear and disappear in this book to provide you with an unique and effective method to get your mind de-addicted.

The name sort of makes sense now. You scared the fug out of me. Saved and bookmarked.

>>11607996

>>11606973
>hormone filled teenage years
>a myth

The Bible
Also you can check the noFap thread on infinity chan /christian/

>>11609477
>reads the first few words without finishing the sentence or even the post
As it relates to sexual frequency in the era of pornography, brainlet. Read the rest of the post and you will realize that.
Most people can report increasing frequency and urges of masturbation as they aged into to their 20s because of the mechanism described. The increasing frequency disproves that sexual behavior is purely the result of hormonal factors, otherwise frequency would be highest in teenage years. ΔFosB induction and habituation are the strongest determinants of sexual frequency. It perfectly explains why sexual frequency would increase.
The guy acted like such a problem only affects teenagers which is foolish proposition.

>>11607374

>to the most productive, efficient version of you possible.

I think I mostly agree with your post but god damn lay off the bugman kool-aid.

>>11609500
>The guy acted like such a problem only affects teenagers which is foolish proposition.
no he insulted you you fucking brainlet, you really do have the self-control and mindset of a teenager.

>>11607876

>not realizing that the chaste chad proves his point with his articulate arguments and that you further prove them with your low-effort 80 IQ meme responses

>>11609518
>no he insulted you you fucking brainlet
You are incredibly stupid. "The guy" mentioned initially was insulting someone else in the thread, not me. I replied to show why his assumption to the other poster, "you are 15 aren't u lmao", presupposes that sexual frequency and uncontrolled arousal is exclusive to being a teenager is wrong and that in fact, the problem can even get worse as you age if the sexual habit is maintained. If you're referring to the most recent poster (11609477) he (you?) didn't insult me; he insulted himself by neglecting to read the rest of the post after "a myth" which was subsequently called out.

>>11609553
so that poster insults someone by referring to them as having the mind of an underage, and you proceed to explain how being immature is not exclusive to adolescents, but that porn addicts too are man-children well into their 20's.
is this what being celibate did to you, turning you more autistic and stupider?

>>11609590
>"having the mind of"
Not what was stated
>and you proceed to explain how "being immature"
Not what was stated.
>but that 'porn addicts' too "are man-children well into their 20s"
Not what was stated

The answers to your faulty line of inquiry are all in the previous posts. You alter the words, and invent what was in them to suit your own goals, effectively reducing them to what you want them to say. Strawmanning this hard is beyond sophistry. This is low IQ and possibly mental illness.

>>11604093
LOTR is pretty good if simply treated as a fantasy novel by a linguist.

>>11609610
>Not what was stated.
that is exactly what you said though.
despite being a celibate you are still inferior to me in intellect. sad!

>>11609633

Pretty gud thread.
Some actual reasons to do nofap

>>11606973

total horseshit

>>11610150
A non-argument.

Good website

http://www.howtostopmasturbation.com

>>11609518
Says the disgusting, immoral masturbator.

>>11609633
This is your brain on masturbation and pornography.

>>11609550
>chaste chad

>Pythagoras, Philosopher and Mathematician: “According to Pythagorus (6th century BCE) sex should be practiced in the winter, but not the summer, but was harmful to male health in every season because the loss of semen was dangerous, hard to control and both physically and spiritually exhausting…” “Pythagoras himself established a small community that set a premium on study, vegetarianism, and sexual restraint or abstinence. Later philosophers believed that celibacy would be conducive to the detachment and equilibrium required by the philosopher’s calling…” – Source: Uta Ranke.Heinman (1988).

>Galen, 2nd century Greek medical writer: “It is not at all surprising that those who are less moderate sexually turn out to be weaker, since the whole body loses the purest part of both substances, and there is besides an accession of pleasure, which by itself is enough to dissolve the vital tone, so that before now some persons have died from excess of pleasure.” – From his work “On Semen”.

>Sigmund Freud Psychologist, founder of Psychoanalysis: “Freud held the opinion (based on personal experience and observation) that sexual activity was incompatible with the accomplishing of any great work. Since he felt that the great work of creating and establishing psychotherapy was his destiny, he told his wife that they could no longer engage in sexual relations. Indeed from about the age of forty until his death Freud was absolutely celibate “in order to sublimate the libido for creative purposes.” – according to his biographer Ernest Jones.

>Georg Hackenschmidt, 20th century strongman, wrestler and philosopher: “Moderation in sexual intercourse is very important. Sexual abstemiousness should be strictly observed during the early age of manhood and development. He who observes this recommendation will soon benefit by the immense prerogatives of chastity. A few years ago a colleague of mine said to me: “Nonsense, that is only human nature.” This “clever” man, however reached only a secondary position as a strong man, and now, at the age of thirty, he is actually degenerating as an athlete.” – From his book; “The Way To Live”

>When you have savories and fine dishes set before you, you will gain an idea of their nature if you tell yourself that this is the corpse of a fish, and that is the corpse of a bird or a pig; or again, that wine is merely grape-juice, and this purple robe some sheep's wool dipped in the blood of a shellfish; and as for sexual intercourse, it is the friction of a piece of gut and, following a sort of convulsion, the expulsion of some mucus.
>Thoughts such as these reach through to the things themselves and strike to the heart of them, allowing us to see them as they truly are. So follow this practice throughout your life, and where things seem most worthy of your approval, lay them naked, and see how cheap they are, and strip them of the pretenses of which they are so vain. For pride is an ever-subtle deceiver, and it is just when you are most confident that you are engaged on serious matters that it most surely beguiles you. Consider, for instance, what Crates said about Xenocrates himself in this regard.

>>11610934
t. Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, B6.

Clement of Alexandria
"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted" (The Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2 [A.D. 191]).

Clement of Alexandria
"To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature" (ibid. 2:10:95:3).

Lactantius
"God gave us eyes not to see and desire pleasure, but to see acts to be performed for the needs of life; so too, the genital ['generating'] part of the body, as the name itself teaches, has been received by us for no other purpose than the generation of offspring" (ibid. 6:23:18).

Epiphanius of Salamis
"They [certain Egyptian heretics] exercise genital acts, yet prevent the conceiving of children. Not in order to produce offspring, but to satisfy lust, are they eager for corruption" (Medicine Chest Against Heresies 26:5:2 [A.D. 375]).

>>11608620
dis a mouse, nigga

>>11604060
just respond "my dairy desu" then press the hide thread button

>>11610731
>>11610736
says the degenerate brainlet christian larper.

If I just eat my semen could I masturbate without the physical consequences? What about anal masturbation?

>>11611425
Yes if you make sure you swallow the cum or only cum by having your prostate stimulated you'll be A-ok

Also suck off other men and swallow their cum and you will absorb their power.

>>11611540
I know you're shitposting but is there any reason why that would not work?

>>11611601
I thought YOU were shitposting

>>11611664
I was half shitposting

>>11611425
>>11611540
No. The hormonal and neurological changes are the main detriment of the act.
Eating it does not restore nutrients. The compounds in it are broken down and poorly absorbed.
When it remains in you, it is recycled hourly in precise homeostasis. When retained, it is like having an IV bag of the richest polypeptides, spearmine, lecithin that is used efficiently by the body.

>>11611874
That is what I thought would happen. What about anal masturbation without ejaculation?

>>11612208
It's a perversion, that is of no benefit to engage in. The only motive is hedonism. An orgasm has the same neuroendocrinal effects no matter how it is achieved.

>>11612230
Thank you for the information. Time to delete my 2 Terabytes worth of hentai.

>>11612241
My God, that's enough hentai to satisfy a man for several lifetimes.

>>11612244
There are people with more, I once saw a person with 4 terabytes of porn/hentai

>>11612241
>>11612252

>>11612392

Is the damage done by masturbating reversible?

>>11612476
You're in luck. The sexual behavior seeking motivational pathways will weaken with enough inactivity, as will the habit pathways that you've created.
The loss of gray matter in the right caudate of the striatum from sexual excesses is mostly permanent but so long as the hypofrontality is reversed, that's not so important. Once the hypofrontality is reversed, proper executive function skills return like exerting agency and self-control over your life.

>>11611874
>>11612706
What are your sources? I'm not entirely sure about the cons of masturbation, I do know it's an addiction and a waste of time, besides that, it's all mumbo jumbo.

Hell, I'm no Christian, but I think it's alright to have sex with people you love, it's a way to strengthen the bond with your partner and at the same time losing some stress. It's like a sport, but with less sweat and a little sperm.

Infinite Jest will help you hone your neurotic side

you guys are fags

>>11613116
based

Not fapping help me get a girlfriend. Instead of wasting my time watching porn I actually started to go out and meet people. After a few days my confidence levels were soaring and I found talking to women easy.

You can do it anon, we believe in you.

>>11613073
Read like the 200 posts above to see his sources, dude.

>>11613128
>>11607091

>>11613073
To give sources for the variety of processes involved with neuroplasticity related to habit would be an onerous task and something you can do yourself. This is common knowledge.

As for high frequency of a sex act (in this case, porn consumption) leading to structural changes in the brain:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202

>>11613128
>not doing heroin helped me get some methadone!
t. didn't read the thread and never really practice mental abstinence along with his brief stint of physical abstinence.


"Getting a girlfriend" is code-word for recreational sex divorced from any other purpose.

All seminal losses are harmful and routine sexual activity puts a toll on creativity and motivation. Doing nofap to get a girlfriend is self-defeating and will provoke prolonged arousal instead of productivity during abstinence, which defeats the entire point.
You should be focused on reading and writing, edifying and bettering yourself so as to accomplish grand dreams and ambitions. Not getting your biological high.
If you have habitual release, and replace only after a month or two of abstinence with a woman, she will only serve to again reinforce the daily if not more frequent releases previously suffered. You need a solid year off any sexual activity if you want to be free of a previously created habit urge to indulge daily if not more often. You are still going to be conjuring fantasies, to sustain this frequency and reinforce the habit.

If you want to have a family and raise children one day, then mate selection should be done like this >>11609628 You'll live an alright life, but I maintain, the greater the ambition, the greater the the chasteness one should practice.

>>11604038
the absolute state of being this scared of your wiener

>mfw the post about how angry and irritable people become once you criticize masturbation and its detriments was absolutely right
>mfw they will defend their habits at all costs, even resorting to pure malice and hatred in their posts

>>11604048
Yours too? Can anyone explain this. I haven't fapped since.

>>11613326
I'm just upset the "hobby" I spent 8 years perfecting saps my brain of its needed juice and that I have to stop it before I become a bumbling retard.

>>11607028
There are a lot of ironic fervent Christian posters, yes.
Until the ages of a/pol/calypse, that used to be the only kind. Now that the trolls reached critical mass, some authentic ones were brought here too.
Still, for the most part, its just deep trolling or people trying to test how others would react to some hypothetical scenerios. That sort of thing.
That's what you get with anonymity.

>>11607028
I mean, they are indeed pretty rare just as a general rule.

There won't be a great number of them on a site like this with mounds of tentacle porn and dickgirls housed within its confines.

>>11613773
>>11613778
t. summer
Most of the Christian posters on /lit/ anyway, are quite unironic. Just look at any religion or theology thread.

>>11604042
I guess if you read something that makes you decide to kill yourself you will indirectly quit masturbating

>>11613334
Penile fracture or tunica albuginea herniation or complications from peyronies disease. Peyronies disease is progressive if sexually active. The fibrosis gets worse over time. Vitamin E and acetyl carnitine supplements can help reverse it along with abstinence if started early.

>>11605544
>tfw Dr. R. W. Bernard has written a bunch of shit about hollow earth theory
At least his clams about celibacy backed up.

>>11613220
>>11607091
Getting a girlfriend is just one of the many good things NoFap leads to.

>>11615198
Nigger have you not read
>>11613296
>>11609628
>>11605558
>>11605544
>>11608225
or any of the thread above or did you just post without reading?

>>11615198
The Virgin NoFap ( >>11615198) vs The Chaste Chad ( >>11615266)

Virgin Nofap
>just does it for 'the chicks'
>still obsesses over sex; sexually aroused and frustrated all the time as a result
>edges
>"wet" all the time from arousal provoked cowper's fluid seepage
>doesn't even have the focus to read posts on 4chan
>checks and posts on /r/nofap" daily because he is uncertain in himself
>eventually attains girlfriend isn't any different than before, he just replaced his hand with a vagina
>views abstinence as a struggle
>will be a slave to his sexual urges the rest of his life

Chaste Chad
>abstains from masturbation and sex to unlock the creative, and motivational potential of his higher cognitive faculties
>knows all forms of sexual release are harmful
>knows the pursuit of sex is pointless, that wanting it provokes self-defeating arousal and if attained has the same harmful consequence as masturbation
>has cut out all sexual stimuli from his physical and digital environments and thoughts.
>uses his enhanced state to edify himself in all ways.
>confident in his abstinence and rejoices with new insight from the latest medical journals which reveal the workings of physiological, neurological and endocrine processes that further validate the age old wisdom.
>laser focus
>Women flock to him; Rejects them for his own benefit
>pure abstinence has granted total autonomy over self and true freedom

bumping this redpilled thread

>>11606845
>science says every famous historical figure was secretly gay
>>>/reddit/

>>11607550
>I think that people always have the choice to quit and often use addiction as an excuse
I disagree, few people have any agency whatsoever and the ones who have just a little are still overwhelmed. You literally wouldn't understand if you've never had an addiction. Caffeine and nicotine withdrawal are real and have significant physiological effects.

>>11607817
I appreciate your posts, however I would advise in the future not to respond to shitposts. They are pretty obvious.

>>11616494
Could you please give me an objective analysis of addiction? Could you point it out somewhere exactly in the brain or in the body? It literally does not exist. Of course there are physical detriments when one forms habits around drug usage (heroin withdrawal for example) but this does not stop them from quitting. There is nothing inhibiting their will. It's simply used an excuse.

>>11605905
Okay, where?

>>11607498
When I go camping I easily go a week without thinking of fapping.

It's mostly triggered by media or real life sluts mimicking that media imetbh

>>11616668
Related >>11607498

>>11615688
Chaste and breadpilled

>>11607817
based celibacy anon

>>11613296
>tfw I've been doing exactly what this post recommends and seeing enormous spiritual gains

absolutely based

>tfw day 1 of celibate life

>>11606845
bro this is talking about leonardo da vinci, the italian renaissance painter, not leo dicaprio

>>11609295
>not addicted to porn, but just masturbation
I got to a point where I realized pornography is just too low quality and simple. Mostly I fap to elaborate fantasies. Also the porn industry is jewish as fuck and you're supporting them even if you don't pay for it; if they are giving it away for free, the mere consumption of it must be benefiting them somehow.

>>11615133
Are you sure his claims about Hollow Earth aren't also backed up? How familiar with them are you?

>>11616625
Why don't you define "will" first, I think it will be more productive.

>>11617700
I'm planning to read into it but if my knowledge is correct a hollow earth would just collapse on it's self due to gravity. But then again I could be wrong and that I'm just ignorant for thinking that he would be wrong in the first place.

>>11617747
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb2xMtRxVgM

Jan Lamprecht is a really excellent Hollow Earth researcher. Even if you don't believe in Hollow Earth after watching this and reading his book (Hollow Planets: A feasibility study of possible hollow worlds), you will have a much more advanced understanding of the absolute state of how scientific theories are developed, propagated, maintained, and discarded.

>>11604042
I remember you confessing weeks ago that you don't even have a diary
gay and saged

More chaste and breadpilled books and quotes, please.

>>11617704
>will
???
>the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action.
What's so hard to understand here? My point stands. There is nothing inhibiting a person from quitting their vice of choice. Of course there are things that make it harder (ie heroin withdrawal sickness) but this shouldn't be used as an excuse (as it often is) to keep one's habits.

>>11618006
How do you know that everyone's will is exactly the same? Do other animals have will? Dogs, cat? Insects?

I’ve been biothot free for 8 years and quit porn a while back as well.

This thread has convinced me to try quitting masturbation altogether. Thanks for the good posts lads

>>11618320
read
>>11607561
it's p good

read this shit
most comprehensive thread you'll ever find on porn etc.
>>>/pol/182101858

>>11618431
>/pol/

>>11618442
You know what would be even funnier, if you actually went in there and proved them wrong! Would be a real gut buster watching those russian trolls get owned epic style

>>11618166
>How do you know that everyone's will
What? All humans have the ability to change themselves. Whether or not they truly wish to is another thing, but that's not relevant to my point.

>>11618607
>All humans have the ability to change themselves
Are you sure? Can you prove that? How would you prove that?

>>11618608
Well if you don't think all humans don't have the ability to change themselves then you're a determinist. That's completely another argument.

>>11605544
>>11607374
>>11607478
>>11610901
>>11611025
You guys were right this whole time. Start with the Greeks.

>>11618442
N o you don't understand the literartillery value of manipulating palwanstalinists into becoming cucked, gay and loathing of mankind and self and brotherhood. They must put down the computers into the history holes and rise up with chrinstrel linteranture achieving whitesomeness a scenting to masterkings.

>>11618763
YOU SPEAK MADNESS! YOU SPEAK MADNESS! YOU SPEAK MADNESS!

when i look back on my most productive time in my life it was when i couldn't fap except maybe once a month, now i kept thinking why can't i be productive like that these days...and i know why, because i'm always fappin it to all kinds of pervy shit

this thread convinced me or just reminded me, like some greek said "you can never teach a man something new only bring something he already knows to his attention" well this brought the importance of nofap to attention

>>11618617
You didn't actually answer any of my questions.

>>11618324
Seems like its for people who want to exchange porn for fucking though, I have no interest in that.

>>11620006
>i want X
>but this provides X, Y, and Z, and I can choose what I want and don't want
What's the problem, exactly?

>>11607549
Can I have a source on that book ?

>>11620009
Wanting a normie sexlife and wanting complete celibacy requires different approaches I think.

>>11620339
>wanting complete celibacy
In this case, just get castrated since you're not a real man. Having a healthy sex life is normal both historically and naturally. Once I got a gf and started having sex 1-2 times a week I stopped watching porn and felt no desire to masturbate.

>>11620412
>since you're not a real man

>>11620427
Yes, by Greco-Roman standards (real men), not whatever cuckold Christian philosophy you adhere to.

>>11620434
The Greeks and Romans didn't have access to the science we do. We now know that sexual activity limits creativity and the ability to self actualize.

>>11620434
Look at this cuckold Christian

>>11620470
based

>>11620470
>Stop eating beans, you fools!

>>11620412
>Having a healthy sex life is normal both historically and naturally.
t. "Dr." Ruth
Nice-
>appeal to common practice
>appeal to nature
>use of a Bugman buzzword, "healthy sex life"

>>11620412
I got plenty of pussy, I just feel like its time to ascend.

Also if you only fuck twice a week while in a relationship you have no business mocking other people’s libido.

>>11620339
>>11620427
>>11620537
Imagine being so ugly and sexually repressed that you turn religious.

>>11620582
I don't live with my gf and we are both full time students. We just have sex at the end of every date

>>11620434
>Greco-Roman standards (real men)
Yeah like Gaius Musonius Rufus who advocated abstinence as a way of life for married couples and thought that it should only be broken to procreate.
If you studied the ancients, you would realize that Christians got their chaste attitudes from Greek and Roman schools of thought. Even clerics cited Plato when advocating for celibacy. There was no ascetic ideal to be had in Hebrew doctrine. "It must be good, good created man and woman!". Platoism and Neoplatoism held that "God gave man reason". Two entirely different perspectives. Christian philosophy regarding chasteness is clearly extension of earlier Greco-Roman philosophy.

>>11620593
You don’t need to be religious to be disciplined. Asceticism was originally an athletic practise to increase performance.

>>11620596
It's well known that Athenians were losers. Look to Homeric Greeks if you want to see men

>>11620609
Gaius Musonius Rufus was not Greek.

Anyone has that great quote from Kellogg, that was in a previous similar thread ?

>>11620682
>Emission not Necessary to Health.—If it be argued that an occasional emission is necessary to relieve the overloaded seminal vesicles, we reply, the same argument has been used as an apology for unchastity; but it is equally worthless in both instances. It might be as well argued that vomiting is a necessary physiological and healthful act, and should occur with regularity, because a person may so overload his stomach as to make the act necessary as a remedial measure. Vomiting is a diseased action, a pathological process, and is occasioned by the voluntary transgression of the individual. Hence, it is as unnecessary as gluttony, and must be wasteful of vitality, even though rendered necessary under some circumstances. So with emissions. If a person allows his mind to dwell upon unchaste subjects, indulges in erotic dreams, and riots in mental lasciviousness, he may render an emission almost necessary as a remedial effort. Nevertheless, he will suffer from the loss of the vital fluid just the same as though he had not, by his own concupiscence, rendered it in some degree necessary. And as it would have been infinitely better for him to have retained and digested food in his stomach instead of ejecting it—provided it were wholesome food—so it would have been better for him to have retained in his system the seminal fluid, which would have been disposed of by the system and probably utilized to very great advantage in the repair of certain of the tissues.

FUCKS SAKE I RELAPSED AGAIN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I NEED TO NUT

>>11607315
>fapping == watching porn and masturbating

nope

I JUST SHOVED A SCREW DRIVER UP MY ASS WHILE JERKING IT TO TRAP PORN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>11621808
Rased and bedpilled

>>11621698
>So with emissions. If a person allows his mind to dwell upon unchaste subjects, indulges in erotic dreams, and riots in mental lasciviousness, he may render an emission almost necessary as a remedial effort.
It's your own fault. Arousal caused this in the first place. You looked,or read, or thought of something that provoked it.

>>11621682
Renounce the flesh. Temper your desires while lessening your appetite. Lessen your labors and remain in your cell. Do this and you will know peace.

>>11617087
lenardo da vinci was a huge faggot, he was obsessed with the male body. However, he realized sex distracted men of the things they'd ought to be doing.