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Go to church

uhhh, go to church?

Go to a Catholic church and talk to a priest.

>>11542937
>>11542939
>>11542952
>go to church (boring)
I think I'm an atheist again

>>11542931
turn yourself into a pickle

>>11542931
Meme yourself into believing you too are invisible.

>>11542957
banana up pooper time

>>11542937
>>11542939
>>11542952
This, go interact with actual religious people and realize how ridiculous they are and become an atheist again just like what always happens to me

>>11542971
What makes religious people ridiculous to you?

>inb4 they're hypocrites

Everyone's a hypocrite.

>>11543001
Not him but they’re always so enthusiastic, always saying the same empty phrases of praise, never having to think about anything. It’s like they’re really serious about it all, but not, at the same time.

>>11543024
Basically this, its less looking at them where I lose heart but when they ask me to express things an ernest believer should express and I just feel absolutely nothing
Makes me realize what hallow belief I had in the first place

>>11542971
>>11543039
>>11543024
Do you think they never have moments of doubt?

>>11543124
I don't care. Its all fucking dumb and made up that's the real lesson

>>11543124
What if they do? Also, how do they view the obvious ecstasy of people of other religions? Do they think they’re psychotic or something? Do they ever wonder if they’re also psychotic/ possessed?

>>11543188
I was just asking. My cousin is a born-again Christian so we have talks about this occasionally.
He has become much more accepting of other faiths.
That said his church has a cultic atmosphere and he's expressed his misgivings to me.

>>11543024
There's thoughtless plebes everywhere sadly

Go to church.

Also, start reading CathoLit.

>>11542931
Vote Republican.

Is seven storey mt good? Is it like confessions? I know he was in touch with the (((cultural milieu))) is it pozzd?

>>11542971
>tfw this
I want to meet a single honest man.

>>11542971
>>11543455
Talk to a jesuit . Easily the best type of priest to know.

>>11543455
Hello.

>>11542931
>>11543039
Read the bible, read the history of the early church, read the greeks. Go to church. Learn about philosophy, that stuff priests learn about in seminary. Your problem is you feel the call but can't articulate it to yourself, and brainless boomer lay-morons aren't helping. Don't get me wrong, they may have the right beliefs and may even choose right action in their lives but they're not and shouldn't be a source of your faith.

>>11543459
why do you say that

>>11543517
Not him but they are typically the most learned, and would probably be able to answer any questions of faith with just the right encouragement.

>>11542971
Become Amish, that'll teach ya

How would talking/emailing a theology professor fare?

>>11542931
read Guenon

>>11543546
Theology professor? Yeah, cuz that's how you attain spiritual wisom: book learning. Good grief! You just need a simple pastor or rabbi and a strong community of fellow believers around you. Otherwise you're just following the same impulse to seek intellectual hobbies that brought you to /lit/ in the first place. Well, I made use of my one and only post here ever. On back to /ck/ I go.

>>11543566
I became religious by reading more about the more technical aspects of spirituality like metaphysics

>>11543566
>strong community around you
>muh feels
This applies to almost anything you want to do. Mutual recognition and association with like-minded people, what meaning is there beyond that? I've attended church before, and the gap in knowledge (or language desu) is too much. At what point does one say to irrational irrationality: STOP

>>11543616
People that go to church are stupid usually: one thing is for sure though, God is real.

>>11543639
How did you come to that conclusion?

>>11543639
>God is real
yeah but that's pretty close to saying that "something" exists

>>11543649
Metaphysics. Same way Aquinas did.

>>11543657
He does. God is everything. Everything that happens is an aspect/‘thought’ of God. We are the neurons/synapses in his vast mind, think of it that way.

>>11543671
Is God necessarily in potential about the choices available to him? Is he always "emerging" in every way possible? Also does his omnipotence allow him to erase everything, including himself, forever?

>>11543691
I consider it this way: God IS good, since good is order, and is requisite for there to be all things, therefore why would he end himself if he is all and he is good.

Do I consider God to be in the form of a man? Yes. Do I consider this form to be physically existing somewhere? No. It’s complicated, not as simple as you think and might be more closely allied with the problems of Platonic forms and ideals in my opinion.

Everything is physically occurring as Aristotle said it was in Metaphysics: growing, destroying, or transforming. Science confirms this, and it’s how reality functions and how motions are made with ends in mind.

>>11543728
What would God want to do with his own goodness if he could not have desires, as there is nothing that could be unfulfilled for him? I try to treat God as a composite of the physical universe but also whatever variations of physical ordering is possible, whatever variations of time, of actions and inactions. If he was something akin to an outside spectator how could he be omni-present?

Years of being shamed online for being an atheist made me turn back to faith. God works in weird ways

why are there always so many threads about religion on this board?

give it a rest already

>>11543784
Most of us are Christian.

>>11542931
talk to a priest or catechist
>>11542952
what he said

>>11543761
He does not desire. It is impossible for God to desire, since he has all he wants within himself. He seeks, just like us, what is good. It could be said through time itself he seeks these things, so that our civilizational history is really a story of him seeking greater good within himself

>>11543845
No priest is going to tell you something like this >>11543936 tho

>>11543947
Yeah, but he's a complete and utter normie to faith. He needs small steps. He can get a firm standing of the Catholic faith by meeting with a priest, particularly a catechist and watching Catholic answers. That's the baseline. Then, he can go on to read the saints, thomistic philosphy, etc.

>>11543947
You'd be surprised. Talk to a Dominican some time.

>>11543936
Sounds like Sisyphus or maybe ouroboros. How is seeking good different from desiring good

>>11543001
Some of them are poor white people who say things that won't make them money

>>11543996

Thomism and absolute divine simplicity will just lead him back to agnosticism, then atheism. St. Gregory of Palamas warned us all but the pope didn't listen and now he's praying in mosques and hindu temples, etc.

>>11542957
This is my problem
I have zero interest in going to church every sunday and listening to some boring ass sermon while I daze off and try not to look at my watch so as not to slow down time

>>11544051
Not when you supply scripture. "I AM THAT I AM," "I am the Alpha and the Omega" screams Thomism bud

>>11544051

Nah. Divine simplicity entails the highest happiness when combined with the Incarnation. Why make do with the 'energies' of God when you can love God Himself in Christ? Far as natural theology goes, the existence of God is sure because creation without him is metaphysically unstable.

Ive tried to meme myself into the church many times but it is so fucking retarded holy shit.
The bible cherry picking is the worst, specialy because they have no historical knowledge of their religion.

Only deism or pantheism makes sense but that is not a useful God.
I've actually tried to make up a religion myself to meme myself into it.
Maybe I'll get followers some day.

you probably think you're so cool and counter-culture don't you.

>>11543039
>when they ask me to express things an ernest believer should express and I just feel absolutely nothing
I had this when I first became a Christian. The key to fixing this is to actually take "love God with all your heart" seriously. Like actually. Once you become a Christian, Jesus should unironically become the centre of your life, and you should be as excited to go to prayer or church as you would to go see any loved one.

>>11543671
Have fun being sodomized by Spinoza in the eternal fires, faggot.

>>11543728
>Do I consider God to be in the form of a man? Yes.
Opinions: dismissed.

>>11543936
>dude god is perfect and omnipotent
>but at the same he, like, seeks to achieve a certain state of affairs

>>11542931
>Now what?
Now, after a completely artificial and superfluous "conversion", which will last as long as fart in a windstorm, you realize that picking a religion like it was an article of clothing is a consequence of market economics permeating even the deepest roots of contemporary human beings, and a clear sign of a dying culture.

>>11545550
>is a consequence of market economics permeating even the deepest roots of contemporary human beings, and a clear sign of a dying culture

>>11544051

>>11544299
He got you there

>>11542957
lmao

Come to Islam.

>>11542971
LOL! Everybody is dogmatic and ridiculous in some way shape or form, it isn't mutually exclusive to the religous.

>>11543809
lol

>>11544687
Cringe

>>11544051
How could Thomism lead you back to atheism when the entire foundation of modern atheism/agnosticism is built on denials of Thomism?

>>11548538
>objectifying God is conducive to faith

>>11542931
Merton discussion when?

Where do I start getting memed by this man?

>>11551054
the seven storey mountain of course

>>11543459
Sure, if you turn your brain off.

Are Trappist monks gay?

>>11542931
Become a priest.

>>11547946
Not me I'm a fucking ironic meme man with no ernest opinions on anything

>>11552884
No. They kill homosexuals.

>>11544054
I'm a non-denominational christian. Nothing's stopping you

>>11552884
Are they the ones that make good beer?

>>11542952
and get molested

>>11553086
A meme.
Literally doesn't happen at statistically higher rates than average. School teachers molest at statistically higher rates than priests. Fags molest at drastically higher rates than either.
This idea that celibacy makes you more to one day snap is absurd and reflects more on the person making the comment than it does on priests. It tells me that person never went more than a few days without release since puberty and cannot conceive of ceasing sex or masturbation. It shows they have a pitiful lack of control over their own sexual urges.

>>11547946
Being dogmatic is fine as long as you can back it up.

>>11553160
you'd think a bastion of godliness would hold itself to a higher standard than the "statistical average".

>>11542931
Handjobs

>>11553299
Positions of power attract sickos.

>>11553525
Tell me more sweetie

>>11543001
Then why even be religious if it doesn't make you a better person? The only difference is that now you have a set of arbitrary rules imposed on you.

>>11552919
Except Christ himself?

>>11543771
weak willed faggot

>>11544051
>muh essence energies
>Thomism leads to atheism

First sign of an Ortholarper who's watched one too many Jay Dyer videos

>>11553525
Are you offering dear?

stop masturbating.

>>11553086
BASED

>>11554751
*tips fedora*

>>11542957
>>11542971
Is just sitting and listening to a sermon a protestant thing? Or do catholics do it too? I'm orthodox and church is much more interactive than that.

>>11542937
This. Go to church and meet a nice Christian girl.

>>11542931
Meme yourself into being God.

How do I meme myself into believing god anons? I would also like more information on how to do this >>11559388 and this >>11559814

>>11543160
>synthetic a priori

>>11543771
Do you not feel insincere by forcing yourself to believe something almost entirely out of spite and insecurity?

>>11560237
*tips fedora

>>11542931
Salvation.

>>11552900
this

>>11560157
Step 1: go to church

Step 2: realize you're made in the image of God and that that's more than enough

Step 3: profit

>>11560259
Thanks, anyone other brilliant tips.

>>11560157
Just read a lot of religious literature, especially Christian mystics like Merton

Eventually it will seep into your brain

>>11561759
Is there a good chart or reading list for this?