/lit/ - Literature

"The Witches" by Roald Dahl.

>>11518646
is she reality's best girl of all time?

>>11518738
No.

>>11518775
T.Anglo

>no fiction
>all accounts questionable

Do you even know what Joan of Arc is?

The Cheerleaders by Kara Thomas

>>11518738
Yes. Only anglo*ds disagree.

>>11518646
imagine her slicing off your balls and clitty then making you wear dresses aha

>>11518780
>All accounts
A lot about her is unquestionably true, all the myths came much later.

Who gives a shit about this witch cheerleader false-saint.

>>11518823
An entire country's national identity

>>11518828
>national identity
Who gives a fuck?

>>11518828
Truly pathetic.

bigmouth strikes again

There's that one Cesar Aira story I think about a girl who gets fucked by a fortress of soldiers and it's the closest thing I can think of to what you want.

>>11518834
>>11518835
butthurt Anglos should mind their royal family gossiping.

>>11518646
I would

>tfw no canonized, knight gf

>>11518646
rape

>>11518646
Fuck off, what’s some good fiction on Joan D’arc?

I now declare this thread Angloscum-free

>>11518927
thanks for making this declaration in english lmao

>>11518920
OP here, for the sake of the thread I recommend Saint Joan by Shaw.

Anglos welcome btw <3

>>11518646
king henry vi part i, don't forget that Shakespeare invented the human, so she probably was more real conceived by Shakespeare that in her real life

>>11518927
>>11518970
BTFO

>>11518980
so you don't include theater into fiction ?
then you can also check out "L'Alouette" by Anouilh, it's pretty interesting. It's focused on politics and theology, and it's sometimes lightly funny / moving.

>>11518997
It's because Anon was asking, but it seems there isn't any good non-fiction on her so mught as well move to fiction.

Not a movie, but you have to see The Passion of Joan of Arc. Absolutely stunning film

>>11519044
Great movie

>>11518970

>>11518738
close but no

>>11518646
>Joan of Arc: Her Story - Régine Pernoud
Author was a historian for the century preceding Joan's, and very reluctantly agreed to write something about her Nullification trial. Ended up falling in love with the story and wrote a book to cover her entire life. The chapter on the trial in particular is really well done. Lots of direct quotes used.
includes a decent appendix of characters short biographies, as well as a large appendix dealing with related topics such as when and how her different monikers came about, history of theatre productions about her, the still continued procession in her name in Orleans, her sword, etc.
Anecdotally, this one was told to me to be the standard to which all other contemporary books about her are judged. Originally published 1986.

>The Saint and the Devil; Joan of Arc and Gilles de Rais - Frances Winwar
One of her followers and an ally. He wold also get burned at the stake, but the reasoning for his trial and death were the rape and murder of an estimated 100+ children, mostly boys.

>The Maid of Orleans: The Life and Mysticism of Joan of Arc - Sven Stolpe
This one is still in the mail, but Im looking forward to it because a goodreads review says that "the Swedish Stolpe, a convert to Catholicism, takes a decidedly religious angle, to the point of comparing Joan’s horrendous death to that of Jesus, a martyrdom both required for the sake of others" but he still presents events in an evenhanded way, "he does not support many legendary claims, like Joan’s recognizing in a crowded room of courtiers the king, Charles VII, she had come to crown. Stolpe finds this improbable and regularly tries to sort out truth from “the jungle growth of legend” surrounding Joan."

>The Virgin Warrior: The Life and Death of Joan of Arc - Larissa Juliet Taylor
a New England Patriots fan tries to downplay the miracles performed, even suggesting that Joan was simply an strong teenager girl that doesn't need no arranged marriage, and lied about her voices and her goals entirely as an excuse to go on a cross-France adventure instead of marrying young and staying in her tiny village, and that everything that came after leaving her village was a big convenient ruse. Aside from downplaying the religious aspects of the story, I read this right after the Régine Pernoud one and found it very flat in comparison.


>>11518920
>Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc. - Mark Twain

Last novel he wrote, and she was his waifu in the later years of his life, first reading about her after finding a page about her from a history book on the ground, and considered this to be his best work. Originally wrote it under a fake name in the hopes that people would take it more seriously after being known for satire for so long.

>>11519323
Jules Michelet wrote a little monograph; have seen it in English. Also Shakespeare deals with her interestingly in Henry vi.

>>11519323
>Joan of Arc: Her Story - Régine Pernoud
not to be confused with
>Joan of Arc: By Herself and Her Witnesses
by the same author

>>11519345
Thanks friend, added to my pile.
Here is an english online version:
http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_biography_michelet_contents.asp

>>11518646
>tfw shakespeare portrayed her as an opportunistic slut
anglos will pay for this

I'm afraid to read more about her because I will probably fall in love. No woman would be able to match my admiration for Joan.

>>11519901
Nevermind just women, you would be hard pressed to find mean as respectable as her.

>>11518738
No, that's Mary

Joan of Arc
>>Her squire d’Aulon helped her into her armor every day that she was in the field and it was he who dressed her wounds. He testified that he often saw her naked legs and breasts and that". . . she was a young girl, beautiful and shapely. ..’ D’Alençon said ". .. I slept with Joan and the soldiers ‘on the straw,’ and sometimes I saw Joan get ready for the night, and sometimes I looked at her breasts, which were beautiful." Yet -- all of Joan’s men -- Jean de Metz, Bertrand de Poulengy, d’Alençon, d’Aulon, Thibault; the men who slept on the ground beside her and saw her in her lovely nakedness, were adamant that they never felt carnal lust for her. Thibault elaborated that while they sometimes felt a carnal urge for Joan, they "never dared give way to it.." They saw a saintly goodness in her and it was shame that prevented them from making advances on her. They felt an exalted pure love for her that they could not bear to sully with carnal words much less deeds

>>11519323
Thank for taking the time to write this, Joan is my family's saint and I want to know more.

"Joan of Arc - Her Story" and "By Herself and Her Witnesses" by Regine Pernoud are by far the most comprehensive and detailed. I've found that Sven Stolpe and especially Larissa Juliet Taylor are too prone to conjecture and try to explain away all of her achievements without giving substantial evidence for why.

>>11518646
Joan of Arc by Mark Twain

>>11520579
That's a fictionalised account, though.

>>11519373
Michelet isn't really reliable, he was too obsessed with his secret witch cult conspiracy theory.

>>11518646
Did Joan of Arc really look like Satsuki Kiryuin?

>>11520720
based anime poster

>>11520720
no, she was actually attractive

>>11520240
Sorry that your family chose a literal false saint.

>>11518834
>Who gives a fuck?
Nearly an entire country, you moron. Are you going to continue ignoring the answers you're given?

>>11518920
Type Moon LNs
:^)

>>11522353
Japan's obsession with Joan is cute

>>11519901
The divine feminine doesnt exist because of thoughts like this. Men chose to breed women into something that would never strive towards an ideal and who would externalize any form of greatness as something only a man might possess, so women look to possess men so that they might have second hand ownership of greatness. Men then refused to read fiction about them so their idea of women is shallow on top of that. Women never developed because man never expected her to develop past what he wants her for. Women are also all in a crab bucket and like to pull each other down when they notice women around them developing in ways they aren't.

>>11522444
Check'd.

>>11522444
>>>/r9k/

>>11522633
You're cranky because you know I'm right.

>>11518834
>>11518835
globalist anglos btfo

>>11518738
Not quite

>>11518646
Do you guys think she was hot? Must've been

>>11522983
>Marxist
Ew
>Died by starvation
All is well

>>11523105
She was barely a Marxist. She believed in private property, was a traditionalist, and converted from Judaism to Christianity.

>>11523149
Once a Marxist...

>>11522983
She's great

>>11520009
The sexual revolution robbed us of women like this.

>>11520009
>sleeping naked next to a bunch of horny soldiers
What a slut. She was practically begging for a deep dicking

>>11522983
dingdingding

>>11520585
Michelet might not count as a 'real' historian by modern standards. But he was a literary artist with his own unique, comprehensive metaphysical vision of the world. Joan of Arc is the French Revolution, the People, France, the sacred feminine, active justice as opposed to the passive grace of the church etc. etc. For Michelet, to write history is to bring the dead back to life. Jacob Burckhardt and Walter Benjamin were both great fans of his for different reasons.

And he attested that Joan, "being already surrounded by the flame, never ceased up to the end to proclaim and to profess in a high voice the holy name of Jesus, imploring and invoking without cease the aid of the saints of paradise, and again, which is more, while surrendering her spirit and letting her head fall, she uttered the name of Jesus as a sign that she was fervent in the faith of God."
...
One of the Englishmen, a soldier,who detested her exceptionally and had sworn that with his own hand he would bring a bundle of sticks to Joan's stake, at the moment he did it and heard Joan crying the name of Jesus in her last moment, stood struck with stupor as though in an ecstasy and had to be led to a tavern near the Old Marketplace, so that with the help of some drink he could regain his strength. ...this Englishmen confessed through the mouth of a friar who was also English that he had sinned gravely and that he repented what he had done against Joan, whom he know took to be a holy woman; for as it seemed to him, this Englishman had seen himself, at the moment that Joan gave up her spirit, a white dove emerge from her and take flight toward France.
...
Pierre Cusquel... had not been present "because my heart could not have stood it and would have suffered from pity for Joan," but he recounted: "I have heard it said that Master Jean Tressart, secretary to the King of England, coming back from Joan's execution, lamentably afflicted and moaning over what he had seen in that place, said: "We are all lost, for it is a good and holy person that was burned.' and that he thought 'that her soul was in the hands of God, and that, when she was in the midst of the flames, she had continuously called upon the name of the Lord Jesus."

One of the assessors, Jean Alespée... wept abundantly, according to the witnesses, and said: "I wish that my soul were where I believe this woman's soul is."

;_;

>>11524051
>>11520574

>>11520240
You're welcome.
When and how did your family decide on her as a patron saint?

I grew up Roman-Catholic, but patron saints were never really mentioned. My immediate family wasn't that devout though.

>>11518846
?

>>11518738
No

>>11522444
I got your point, but that was just a terrible mess of words.

>>11520009
No fucking way ALL of those horny dudes were sleeping next to a naked bitch with beautiful breasts and competition and none of them tried anything. She must have been the ultimate oneitis if she had all of those beta orbiters.

>>11518738
The virgin Mary is

I bet being burnt made the ugly bitch prettier.

>>11522983
>>11523149
I think I fell in love, anons.

The Maid of Orleans: The Life and Mysticism of Joan of Arc
By Sven Stolpe
https://www.ignatius.com/The-Maid-of-Orleans-P1735.aspx

Catholic work on the passion of Joan.

>>11522983
Gravity & Grace is life changing with a little interpretation

>>11523719
>Joan of Arc is the French Revolution
delet

>>11519323
>>The Saint and the Devil; Joan of Arc and Gilles de Rais - Frances Winwar
>One of her followers and an ally. He wold also get burned at the stake, but the reasoning for his trial and death were the rape and murder of an estimated 100+ children, mostly boys.
Read La Bas by Huysmans for a good treatment of Gilles de Rais that also touches on Joan: the devil lives in the direct presence of the sacred.

>>11518920
The Maid of Orleans by Schiller

Any good books on Joan that aren't from obviously biased sources (Frenchmen, Catholics, English, Shakespeare, etc.)

>>11518646
You're on a date with Joan of Arc. What would you do to impress her?

>>11526641
I show her my poem journal.

>>11523548
Makes absolutely no sense

>>11526641
I show her my big English longbow

>>11520009
>Hundreds died for her
>Not to fuck her, but to protect her pure smile
>Still fail

>>11520009
>Entire army of knights band around her
>Not to fuck her, but just to protect her pure smile
>Still fail

>>11526641
Take the sacraments of Confession and the Eucharist.
Then chase prostitutes away using the flat side of my sword.

>>11526641
Hi /lit!

>>11526641
>>11526782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YH5MEyNuIM

>>11519349
What's the difference?

>>11525055
>virgin
Reminder that she had kids other than Jesus

>>11526648
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment

>>11522983
>>11523105
>>11523149
>Workers need poetry more that bread. They need that their lives should be a poem. They need some light from eternity. Religion alone can be the source of such poetry. It is not religion but revolution which is the opium of the people. Deprivation of this poetry explains all forms of demoralization.
You can't really categorize her as a Marxist