/lit/ - Literature

>Not expecting women feels from a women book.

>>11411130
I've only read the synopsis, but it seems like the most uninspired dystopia one could think of. It would be as if someone wrote a book about immigrants taking all the jobs.
She's gone and picked a hot current issue and exaggerated it to appear terrifying and alien and the result is a book that garners hype now by masquerading as the profound, when really it's a shallow piece that'll be forgotten completely when the whole "third-wave feminism" thing comes to its conclusion.

Consider why 50 Shades of Grey was so popular. Women don't read those books because it's insightful commentary on modern misogyny, they read them because secretly that's how they want to be treated. Women love being dominated, I'd say around 90% of them who read the Handmaids Tale do so because they like to imagine themselves being in that situation

>>11411143

It's not even that. Literally all the /lit/ memes about women's books having sex as their central point came true. Again, what the fuck? I thought Atwood was supposed to be a respected author

>>11411149
>I've only read the synopsis
>She's gone and picked a hot current issue and exaggerated it to appear terrifying and alien
The book was written in the early 80's silly.
Bet you feel like a silly now.

>>11411168
When your social identity doesn't extend beyond the guy you're fucking, sex tends to be the central point of your life.

>>11411189
Feminism was still current in the 80's, but yes, I am a silly.

>>11411130
>tfw I once knew a lolsorandom normie vegan omg such indie second hand clothes lover popculture lover who would post lots of selfies and inspirational quotes on facebook
>tfw I happened to randomly speak to her sometime during the month when we were all finishing our bachelor's theses
>Oh hi anon XDDD Im so happy rn, my thesis is almost done!!
>Oh, great, glad to hear... What are you writing about? I don't think we had previously spoken about that
>I'm raising the important issues haha I'm writing about misogyny as seen in Handmaiden's Tale!!
>Ohhh... Yea... Nice. So what conclusions did you come to?
>Well, Atwood said a lot about misogyny and how women will be treated very bad in the future and that's very true
>I see. So you made an analysis using some particular methodology? Some works on dystopias, some political theory? What kinda angle?
>Haha Anon I just more like wrote about misogyny and why it's there because of the patriarchy haha and professor Broidberg suggested I quote Gayatri Spivak

Such is life of an english major.

>>11411311

>mfw this is pretty much half of my lit class in uni

Women are a meme

>>11411168
Because women are not ontologically real and only participate in being through men; i.e. as a Mrs *X male*.

>>11411311
>>11411339

>>11411352
honestly this is isn't even really satire,
when I was studying for my art degree I looked up and saw this girl typing up one of those "word clouds" you know a canvas where the most often mentioned words in a study are the largest and the less-mentioned, the smaller etc.
She was literally typing up the words "vagina, rape, clitoris, ass" in that format on a photoshop document.
I almost cringed into oblivion, my sides were obliterated to the point where I didn't laugh, I simply just stared at 40 grand gradually funnelling itself into the gutter.

Drumpf

>>11411151
Hot take, I regret never bringing that up in English class at school when we were reading it, I would leave the classroom and hear one second later all the girls talking about how they would do "anything" for Roger Federer. Same principle. Even EL James admit 50 shades was a mid-life crisis book.

>>11411130
the show presumably, it's netflix, so people with no passions will watch it

>>11411352
>the band Oingo Boingo and Hamlet's Perception of Clitoris Vagina Gender Studies
every time

>>11411611
it's not netflix, though

>>11411130
It's metacommentary on the Western reaction to the Iranian Revolution, which was a contemporary issue when Atwood penned the novel. You're reading it through a modern locus without understanding its historical context, and so only performing a very shallow read.

Anyone have to read this? Entire book is the author whining about not being able to dress like a whore, and her family losing their wealth, which I presume was obtained by working for the brutal regime of the shah anyway.

>>11411671
>Atwood's society is more catholic than muslim
explain yourself

>>11411726
You can't actually be this dense, can you?

>>11411731
Nice cognitive dissonance faggot, Atwood clearly pussied out on actually denouncing islamic views and made her dystopian wonderland mostly Christian based as a result.

>>11411380

>>11411380
>>11411845
>FUCKING DRUMPF WAS ELECTED BECAUSE OF SEXISM
>#IMWITHHER
>FUCKING WHITE MALES ELECTED DRUMPF BECAUSE OF PATRIARCHY
>STOP OPPRESSING ME
>DRUMPF IS LITERALLY A TOTALITARIAN HITLER
>let me read this book by a deluded 90 year old middle class woman and realize how she predicted everything happening in American right now SO accurately :^)

>>11411311
>Spivak

>>11411311
Right? Goddam, and if it's not this effortless level of unanalysis, it's a motherfucking DFW fanboy who doesn't have shit worth of anything interesting to say about the book besides "read it." And I have. Making the rest of us in lit or humanities look retarded.
>>11411339
Right, so how's Infinite Jest doing you? I'm sure you have nothing to say and lots to talk about.

>>11411168
You mean you actually expected something decent from a Canadian female author?

all books written by women are trashy man, don't fall for the meme

>>11411758
nobody knew anything about islam in canada in 1985

>>11412216
There have been mosques in Canada for almost 100 years

>>11411372
Uhhhh that’s your fault

Honestly don't bother with female literature there is nothing to it except solipsism.

I mean, it can be useful for insight on how women think but you can just go on any redpill website to get more efficient information.

>>11412236
Anon was probably talking about the feminist moron's 40 grand, if he's a smart person his 40 grand won't all sink to nothingness

>>11412229
>for almost 100 years
the first purpose built mosque in canada was built in 1938
at the time there were 700 muslims in canada

in 1981 there were still fewer than 100 000. small enough number for most people to ignore.
now there's more than a million.
(says wikipedia)

by the time justin leaves there'll be 5 million

>>11412236
>muh reading comprehension

>>11412254
I would mainly read female lit for the pussy, any recommendations?

>>11412315
guys who get pussy never read female lit brah

>>11412295
Yeah but Canadians were also aware of what was going on in Iran which has been mentioned itt

and yeah im aware of the muslim invasion or whatever, if i cared even slightly about anyone in this country then it would worry me but i really dont care if they all die

>>11412236
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>11412236
laughter confirmed as a symbol of toxic masculinity and must be stopped at all costs

i haven't read this book, i was just readig the thread for fun, but it is making me cringe! of course its diffiuclt for girls not to think about mysoginy in a literature class when so much literature seems to be written by, about, and for men (although it doesn't stop me from reading them, it is a bit sad sometimes that all my favorite books are so dude-centric). & not all girl writers are so bad, i realized i really like pulp novels where the woman wrote under male-pseudonym lots of cool lesbian stuff in those. and djuna, virginia, zora.. they all have some cool elements to their writing
sometimes i get tired of reading about male sexual frustration, and a lot of your guys' favorite books seeming to be just like that.
but i must say honestly i would rather talk to you fellows than to anyone who only wants to focus on the feminist type arguments, especially not the over-zealous male feminists. you guys are so mean, but probably more interesting to talk to than neo liberal people.

>>11412318
This tbqhwyf

>>11412702
show feet please

>>11412702
good b8

>>11411682
At least Persepolis is based on something real.

>>11412172
English major here. I don’t think I’ve met a single DFW fanboy yet. Although I rarely have anyone but women and self-flagulating nu-“males” in my classes.

>>11411682
Yes I have. Youre way off base. It's the story of a child trying to navigate a confusing and contradictory period of time and grappling with issues way beyond her control or understanding.

>>11412727
it is not bait i am speaking truthfully. i just started going on this website very recently, really like reading these discussions

>>11412950
post timestamped pic

>>11412790
this...

>>11412172
Is this your attempt at witty rebuttal? DFW is a meme and faggots takes him seriously.

>>11412957
of myself? that is suicide on this website! and anyways, i have zero incentive to prove my identity to you i've already written what i wanted to say and you can interpret it as a truth or not

>>11412964
>of myself? that is suicide on this website!
yes, this is bait.

>>11412964
This is either b8, or you haven't spent enough time on here to learn how this place operates.

>>11412981
it is true i havent, but also the anonymity makes it so im not afraid to embarrass myself. i also am really curious about how the users are all a bunch of edgy men, i come from a very very different perspective

>>11412702
>i get tired of reading about male sexual frustration
I know this is bait but the fact that people actual think most classic books written by "dead white guys" are like this is genuinely confusing to me. Where does this talking point come from? Because I can't remember the last time I read a book about "male sexual frustration."

>>11412702
I engage in female writing. Women's lived experiences can draw them to different artistic conclusions than their male counterparts. I don't know why all these men are so adamant about bashing female authors...

>>11413004
Bait aside, why are you bothered about so many books being about unrequited love from a male perspective?
Unrequited love, fear of death and the meaning of life make up the trilogy of the most important topics in life. I know most chicks are in love with their own sexuality to the point of narcissism as a defence mechanism to low self-esteem so why are you bothered, is it not raunchy, adventurous enough? Most women I know read to escape not to explore the depths of the soul, must be the imperialistic drive and passion that women lack.

>>11412315
bob and vegene by paarupe

>>11413178
dont you think that the male perspective towards love is just as narcissistic about sexuality as a lot of women's is? i kind of don't think there's anything wrong with that, i believe that it's a very natural part of existence (for women AND men). i genuinely love literature about these issues and as a woman i find pleasure in relating to the parts of a male perspective that i can understand within myself as well as those that are alien to me. and obviously many elements of these experiences are universal, and some are inevitably narrow. but i cant help sometimes feeling sort of bummed that there is just so much less classic literature from the female perspective simply due to like, historical systemic limitations. i just want to look through a more familiar lens sometimes you know?

>>11413169
I believe the feminist talking point is that everything produced by a male is the result of some latent sexual frustration so it’s easy for a feminist to dismiss anything as being about male sexual frustration without qualification.
It’s a convenient, easy to remember stab at anything of merit that they don’t like.

>>11413231
This was meant for >>11413005
Fucking phoneposting.

>>11413231
i am not making a feminist talking point its only a part of my small issue here! regardless of how sexual it is, its the through the lens of a guy man and i just kind wish i there were some more cool femme protag's that are complex and weird. im not trying to boost feminism here this is a personal thing! maybe i just am bad at finding the perfect book for me, and there will obvi be a slant on this board so im not condemning your favorite books my dear man

>>11413219
>dont you think that the male perspective towards love is just as narcissistic about sexuality as a lot of women's is?
That's not what I asked, but generally speaking most men put their sexuality into other people, at least that's how the human race has been built. Men act, women recieve (or choose), the denial of that "action" is where the poetry lies, in modern society, women have the upper hand (their choice is above all law and deemed the final word. You can understand how I therefore assume that women are more narcisstic than men, because they have more power (at least whilst young and attractive, men are becoming more and more expendable.))
> so much less classic literature from the female perspective simply due to like, historical systemic limitations
I think this is the fault of the reader more than anything, Emily Bronte is one of the finest novelists ever and yet people would rather complain about why terrible female authors aren't being championed instead. I'm sure every great novel has a female figure in it too (Read Madame Bovary if you want the most direct perspective), people just complain that it's not a woman writing the book, which is to be honest, rather sexist. As if a man cannot understand a woman, it would be equally sexist to assume a woman cannot write about a man (see Bronte etc.)

Try and read things about subjects that interest you first and then focus on the authors. The great irony is that most female Romance authors tend to completely miss the point of 'what love is' and are then, dire. (At least from what I've read)

>>11413267
alright well thank you for the suggestions, and I agree with you about emily :) i think it is very interesting the way she writes the man's pov (and vice vers in literature)
i hope you do not believe really that the men are becoming expendable! i know i can be wrong, but i sort of feel men and women in todays society have a more equal choice, what with social media and dating sites no? i have some beautiful friends who feel the same way you do only the reverse, they are angry that men can so callously choose and ask anyone out with no stigma

>>11413258

t. basedboy

>>11411340
This but unironically

>>11413332
Alright, keep reading! Tell your friends that there's nothing more attractive to a man than a woman politely starting a conversation impromptu, most of the stigma there is mainly due to chicks acting like hot shit when they haven't proven themselves feminine.

>>11411311
This. There were a couple women who were actually insightful in my major and one of them went on to become an editor at a publishing house. Most of them were just as you described.

>>11413258
stop fucking bumping this thread with your shit b8

>>11411130
Why is egyptian television so based?
>>11411149
>it seems like the most uninspired dystopia one could think of
Well you see, for the female, sleeping with literally anyone sub-Chad is the worst fate imaginable, even worse than the most painful death imaginable and a 1000 years of suffering in hell. The thought of an ugly (or really just not model tier) male entering their body, and even worse being forced to bear their child is something that haunts them to such a degree that it no doubt causes epigenetic trauma which is what has sown the seeds of feminism.

>>11413375
It's not bait bro. Look at that writing style. That thing is a female.

>>11413381
this could be irrational thinking depending on what you define a Chad as.

>>11413392
Chad is not a question of definition, it is OBJECTIVE.

>>11413381

>mfw the protagonist literally breaks up a sacred marriage so that thot can fuck Luke and get mad shekels

>>11411352
>"Einstein contra Bergson: Who rapes me more by having existed?"
nice

>>11413395
please explain this in terms someone that didn't actually waste time reading irrelevant glorified genre fiction from the anglo periphery can understand

>>11413393
So you define a Chad as assertive? Does that not make the sub-chad potential nigh-on 99% avoidable, your terminology is too vague, or it approaches denial.

>>11413332
>i hope you do not believe really that the men are becoming expendable!
of course we're expendable though. To be male is a curse.

Sickening thread through and through.

>>11413417
loser boy

>>11413410
>you define a Chad as assertive
Have no idea how you decided on this Tbh

Chad is average to slightly above average height (177-187cm), has no structural or developmental deficiencies of face and body, reasonably lean, good healthy skin indicating youth, immunity and resilience. These types often DEVELOP into assertive types as their genuine genetic superiority is readily apparent to anyone they encounter, but it is not a necessary condition at all.

>>11413404

The main character in the book basically sluts and fucks around with a guy named Luke and makes him divorce his wife so they can get married and have a child (and she, ostensibly, takes his money.) Eventually though, the new government BTFO's her as all divorces were retroactively nullified meaning that she gets called out for the whore she is and punished by becoming a baby-making machine. This results in the thot being salty throughout the book

>>11412702
just wanted to say, i had the same experience while reading this thread & you echo my thoughts perfectly. sure female-written books are bound to have some female-centic content in them, but the same is true of male-written fiction. sometimes it seems like men more easily conceive themselves as "normal" so they don't notice male-centrism in narratives as easily as they notice female-centrism.

i've been here much longer than you but it's perennially bummed me out how often threads about (a) female author(s) just turn to dissing women in general. it's refreshing and makes me happy to see a lady like you showing a different perfective here. welcome to the board!

>>11413332
>i have some beautiful friends who feel the same way you do only the reverse, they are angry that men can so callously choose and ask anyone out with no stigma
read this as "women get angry when sub-6 men talk to them".

>>11413433

Come on now, mate. No need to be a white knight on an anonymous Mongolian knitting board

>>11413433
ok, now this is taking the piss

>>11411311
>tfw in postgrad poli sci classes and these factless sillies jump major and start acting so informed because they once read a french faggot from the 70's
>thanks english lit.

>>11411380
based drumpf poster

>>11413966
bosch is so fucking metal

>>11411130
>female coworker talking about going to the MET
>Ask her if she saw the Catholic fashion exhibition and items from the Vatican
>’Yeah. The whole time I kept thinking, this is just like in the Handmaiden’s Tale’

>>11411352
>Tampons, pads, and ironclads: Stonewall Jackson and Freebleeding

>>11413966

god i wish that were me

>>11412964
That use of punctuation makes me think this a dude masquerading as a chick. there is something so phony about the exclamation point after "website" that sealed the deal for me. I may be autistic, but i think others will feel the same if only subconsciously.

>>11413258
Please God be b8

>>11411130
Life Before Man is a better book. Probably the only book where she writes like a man throughout and doesn't just tease us and then woman things up

>>11411130
>transferring colleges
>new school sends me a copy of this book to read so i can bond with other new students during welcome week
>chose this meme sjw book unrelated to the institution even though a nobel prize winning writer is among its alumni

their agenda knows no bounds.

>>11415020
>He really thought going to the University of Minnesota would entail sitting around smoking pot and listening to Blonde on Blonde

You fucked up, kid

>>11415058
the nobel prize winner im referring to wasnt a meme pick.

>>11415061
Every "Nobel Prize Writer" is a meme pick, going back to Winston Churchill and beyond

>>11415078
no, there are tons of good writers who will actually stand the test of time that have been awarded the nobel. faulkner, yeats, heany, hesse, hemingway, etc. you might not personally enjoy some of them but virtually none compare to bob dylan in terms of their irrelevance to literature.

>>11414835
>needing to check punctuation to make sure that there are no women on /lit/

>>11413381
Jesus christ. An unattractive or average female will sleep with literally anyone. You can't blame a hot girl for not wanting to be with a mediocre guy.

>>11415561

>An unattractive or average female will sleep with literally anyone

There's a reason why civilisation is going down the bloody drain

>>11415673
Go away Jordan

>>11415676

Step up, bucko.

>>11411149

I just want you to know that you are a reactionary retard.

>>11412315
any (((Sontag))) because it's the only "deep" "author" women are capable of understanding

>>11412236
>Uhhhh
sweetie

>>11411339

>>11412315
>>>/r9k/

>>11411340
This

>watching reality TV show with celebrities in it
>girl is on screen
>name appears
>next to her name is the reason why she's a celebrity
>footballer's wife

women are a meme

>>11413219
>>11413267
fuckign >>>/r/eddit you queers

>>11411168
Notice that most albums by women musicians are almost entirely about boys. I was in a liberal arts program (yeah I know >.>) and these 3 girls formed a band and got a fuckton of hype, everyone was talking bout how they were inspiring blah blah blah, they released two albums and >>every song<< on both albums was about boys. Another friend in the program released an album of her playing the ukulele and it was named "Songs About Boys" and no it wasnt like some funny ironic thing.
FFS go to the farthest right you possibly can and you'll find Savitri Devi writing a book about how Hitler is a God. I haven't read Rosa Luxemburg yet but I got a fucking bad feeling about it let me tell you

>>11411168
read some Woolf and grow up.

>>11416778
Dalrymple unironically savaged her so badly I can't take anything she wrote seriously. I remember liking Three Guineas when I was younger...guess I "grew up"
https://www.city-journal.org/html/rage-virginia-woolf-12371.html