/lit/ - Literature

>>11394008
Which books did you read?

>>11394008
*These books

>>11394008
sorry about your limited brain ability, anon

>>11394013
Started with Genesis 1, now struggling through Samuel 2.
>>11394026
Have you tried reading Leviticus from beginning to end? I don't care if this book is hugely important, reading about how much you gotta pay your neighbour if his ox falls into your well is fucking boring.

>>11394034
Start with the Gospels

>>11394034
Yes I have. Leviticus sucked. But it's not really important except as a record of the tribal law of the Jews, which will become important later when Jesus makes a new covenant. Then it will do you some good to have read Leviticus, because you know exactly how much of a grasping, vengeful, spiteful people the Jews had been, and the absolute magnitude of the reversal that Jesus was trying to manifest in a new law based in forgiveness and mercy.

A KJV reading group would be /lit/

Why didn't the Israelites just take the eagles to Canaan?

>>11394044
>because you know exactly how much of a grasping, vengeful, spiteful people the Jews had been
But it was still the law of G-d, no?

>>11394050
Until the arrival of Jesus, yes. Afterwards, no.

>>11394044
It depends on how interested you are in the ancient world/ancient literature in general I guess, but I actually enjoy reading codes of law and things like that for the insight they provide into history. The fact that much of the content of the Bible is now seen as pointless, boring shit just shows how much our way of thinking/looking at things has changed. The Bible (esp. the Jewish Bible, of course) is a product of a world long gone and is as a result increasingly foreign and incomprehensible to modern readers, but this is part of what makes it so interesting.

>>11394056
Agreed. Also OP keep in mind this is literally a book of law that you are reading. It's not supposed to be fun. If you aren't interested in its later theological importance, then at least consider it a privilege to be reading a piece of history so well preserved.

>>11394008
>This book is the most boring shit I've ever read in my life.
t. r/books

>>11394087
t. r/christcucks

Just read the abridged version.

>>11394008
>He didn't start from the New Testament

>>11394646
Why would I start two thirds in?

>>11394676
Not him, but the Bible isn't a fucking Stephen King novel

>>11394822
No one said it was.

>>11394544
>cuck cuck cuck cuck

>>11394835
Well you're treating it as if it were one cohesive work so I'm going to go ahead and assume we're not operating at a very high level here

>>11394008
If you take it literally it is fantastic.

>>11395028
It is one cohesive work. Whether you want to read it as such is up to you.

>>11394676
You can start anywhere brainlet.

>>11394676
So you could read the OT in the perception of Christ, who knew the end because he was its "end".

>>11394044

>Yes I have. Leviticus sucked. But it's not really important except as a record of the tribal law of the Jews, which will become important later when Jesus makes a new covenant. Then it will do you some good to have read Leviticus, because you know exactly how much of a grasping, vengeful, spiteful people the Jews had been,

What's wrong with Leviticus?

>and the absolute magnitude of the reversal that Jesus was trying to manifest in a new law based in forgiveness and mercy.

The start of deuteronomy tells the jews not to convert to any foreign religion and to be wary of prophets, why would they convert to Christianity of all religions if Jesus, a figure that anthromorphizes God, is telling them the entire way they lived for 500 years is wrong? God gave those laws to the jews and told them they always have to follow them or face the consequences.

Larper

>>11395304
>deuteronomy tells the jews not to convert to any foreign religion
It wasn't a foreign religion. Jesus was a Jew and the first Christians were Jews.
>why would they convert to Christianity of all religions
Because Jesus was the Messiah who fulfilled the prophecy set out in Genesis. If you'll recall, God made a covenant with Abraham for a reason, which was to restore his blessing to ALL the nations through the people of Israel. If you're a Christian, then you believe Jesus was the culmination of all that.

>>11394008
its kinda fun whem isreal starts worshiping baal and God gets pisst.

>>11395381

i'm agnostic, came from a christian background and ive hung around jews online before to see their views on things. jews do not believe that Jesus is the messiah because "messiah" to jewish/israelite culture is a different definition than the Christian one. The Jewish messiah was/is supposed to be a guy descended from King David who will rebuild the third temple and make Israel relevant

https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/wiki/jesus

(yes, it's reddit, but it goes in depth to why they don't accept Jesus)


>It wasn't a foreign religion. Jesus was a Jew and the first Christians were Jews.

Judaism and Christianity have similar dna in the sense that a banana and a human do, they both share the Old Testament/Tanakh and have basic morals such as be decent to strangers that aren't harming you, but otherwise, they are completely different. Judaism is a lot more legalistic and focused on education than Christianity, even Catholicsm is. The culture also has different interpertations on the texts, such as viewing the garden of Eden story as a meta metaphor on the destruction of their nation state, the two religions have different afterlifes, holidays, etc Christians believe that when you die you go to heaven or hell depending on if you accepted Jesus and if you were a good person, Jews believe that when you die, everybody, including non Jews, goes to Sheol which destroys the bad parts of your soul before you go deeper into the afterlife to become with God.

>Because Jesus was the Messiah who fulfilled the prophecy set out in Genesis. If you'll recall, God made a covenant with Abraham for a reason, which was to restore his blessing to ALL the nations through the people of Israel. If you're a Christian, then you believe Jesus was the culmination of all that.

It says numerous times in the OT, can't think of the line of the exact verse, but it's commonplace in at least the first five books of the OT i've read so far, it says that Jews were given God's laws to help make the world a better place, even if several of those laws are considered barbaric now because they were made in 1500 BC

>>11395391

I think was a fun read to read it.

>>11394008
Not only is it boring, it's a fear mongering, deceitful, hypocritical, and contradictory piece of trash that has unquestionably caused more harm than good. It shouldn't exist, yet it does.

>>11395391
Samson was fun to read about too. I know he's meant to be an example of a bad leader but the dude was fucking thots left and right, wrecking everyone who tried to stop him, messed with a ho who tried to get him killed for some shekels, carries a fucking city gate on his back 30 miles into the mountains, then ends his life by caving an entire building in with his bare hands and bringing thousands of degenerates with him.

>>11395510
>it shouldn't exist
fascist wants to ban books FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST

>>11395504
>jews do not believe that Jesus is the messiah because "messiah" to jewish/israelite culture is a different definition than the Christian one. The Jewish messiah was/is supposed to be a guy descended from King David who will rebuild the third temple and make Israel relevant

No shit. One of the most intriguing things about the New Testament is the way it highlights the irony of what they expected versus what they got.

>>11395504
Sure, Jews don't accept Jesus. I was mostly just trying to show that there is a clear answer to the question of why they would, even if you don't happen to accept it.
>Judaism and Christianity have similar dna in the sense that a banana and a human do
You have a point, but to be fair, a lot of these differences developed long after Jesus, what with the Romans and all. Christians don't deny that some things changed between OT and NT, just that Christianity can't be categorized as one of the foreign religions or idolatry that God warns against in the Torah.

>>11395557


So the direct word of God was wrong? Like, I remember that God says through Moses that they need to follow those laws as much as they can forever and God himself appears telling the Jews that if they follow the laws that he set out then he will destroy them and even had Moses actually make up a song to remember it, and then Jesus comes and says that's wrong? and 1000 years later Christians believe in the trinity which divides God into three parts even though he's indivisble?

>>11395510

>>11395620

I actually mean if they don't follow the laws he set out

>>11395620
Jesus doesn't say the laws are "wrong," he urges people to follow "higher" laws. Moses laws' were not the be-all-end-all, but simply what the Jews at that time (a rebellious and sinful people) were ready for. Some Christians believe that the tablets Moses broke in his anger (correct me if I'm wrong, because I could be) contained additional laws that the Jewish people were too sinful for. Either way, the common Christian conception is that Jesus brought a higher law that built off of the existing law, and there was a hell of a lot of controversy in the early days over which precepts still applied. Christianity was, after all, basically just a weird splinter sect of Judaism.

>>11395713
You're not wrong. That bit Mel Brooks did about Moses accidentally dropping and breaking Commandments 11-15 was kind of based in Exodus, where Moses smashed the tablets purposefully after he came down from meeting with the Lord and saw the Israelites worshiping a golden idol. In the book Moses goes back and rats on the Jews and begs for them to be spared, and the Lord God says yeah okay go chisel more tablets and I'll zap 'em with ten rules.

Ecclesiastes stands on its own merits as poetry.

I'm not really sure why that one was bundled in with the other books-- it's almost not even religious.

>>11395911
I read that some months ago and it completely captivated me. it really is a great book for how old it is. there's one verse that always sticks in my mind
"Who can make straight what the Lord made crooked?"

>>11394064
Is the Bible really "so well preserved?" Wouldn't it be more accurate to say, so well perverted? It is still a wholly significant and influential historical document to be sure, but it was a group of individuals equally flawed as the authors themselves who selectively omitted and included the sixty-six books which now comprise the Bible.

>>11396066
>Is the Bible really "so well preserved?" Wouldn't it be more accurate to say, so well perverted?

We're talking about the Hebrew Bible, here, dumbass: that thing the Old Testament is based on. If there's any claim to be made about "perversion" it would be in the hundreds of different sources of the New Testament and the various councils that approved its assembly, not the books which OP is reading, and that match their original Hebrew sources. If you knew jack shit about the subject you wouldn't have made such an ignorant post.

>>11396038
that one brings to mind one of my favorites, from Romans 11:32, "For God has bound all men over to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all."

>>11394008
Boi try to read the quran. Half of it is moronic repetition