/lit/ - Literature

Based Louis CK

I don't really have an objection.

True.

t. studying to become a public servant

Based arab man

>>11384395
based mid-life crisis man. ride that antifragile motorcycle.

Shakespeare, Lope de Vega, etcétera

>>11384719
Whatever may escape your mind, just remember that antifragile is the opposite of fragile, not durable, not reliable, not consist. Trust the antifragile.

A very current example of this that isn't lit is YouTube channels. Whenever the bigger ones of yesteryears began to quit their jobs to go full time they started to feel cheaper and more corporatized due to the obligation to regularly make what was once infrequent labors of passion.
Other examples include growing small businesses and indie musicians

Just finished Antifragile two minutes ago. Took me too long to read it so I cant remember the earlier concepts but really makes you think

don't read his latest book, it's a pile of shit.

Jacques-Luis David's best paintings were comissions.

>>11384395

>>11385310
Yeah, musicians that I like turning to shit after their first 1-3 albums is getting annoying. And it's not just development or a change in sound (which I can appreciate), the music simply becomes more simplistic, cheaper, streamlined, artless, emotionless, etc.

This is the same thing as hipster fucks deciding to purposely live like actual poor people for the sake of making their art better except that you get to cover it up and feel even more superior to others for reasons other than the actual quality of your work.

>>11385347
Doesn't negate OP.

>>11385354
Not really. The above is more of a practical concern, especially in regards to careerism. What you describe is simply a result of so-called 'literary culture' and the egregious grasping for it.

>>11384395
>The same for artists.
Literally every single painting or sculpture was made in commission up until like ~100 years ago. The 'self expressing' artist trope is something of the last couple of decades.

He looks like Salman Rushdie. Before clicking on these threads when I only saw them in the catalog, I thought all these threads were in fact about Rushdie.

Plato was a professional philosopher. as was Aristotle.

>the profit motive ruins art
WOAH hold the fucking presses

>>11385588

>The 'self expressing' artist trope is something of the last couple of decades.

Romanticism was forty years ago.

>>11385611
Plato shat on the sophist for charging money for philosophy...

>>11384395
>The best philosophers were not academics, but had another job

Who?

>>11384395
Nobody will hire me and my writing is shit.

>>11385681
True, he lived off his families estate, but his occupation was as a philosopher.

>>11385741
Spinoza, Nietzsche, pic related

>>11385353
Yeah but you also have to keep in mind that indie musicians get bored once past their early twenties. For most of them, the logic becomes that since they're now forcing themselves to write music, they might as well make money out of it.

>>11385753
didn't alot of philosophers, especially greek/roman ones , spend time in military service?

>>11385753
>he lived off his families estate
That is Taleb's point though. You can be a professional as long as you don't do it to please people or earn a living.

>>11385630
his point is more that you have to do other things to keep your mind sharp.

The academic vs non academic philosopher debate is tiring, both sides produced great thinkers.

>>11385760
>Nietzsche

He was a professor at Basel for about a decade and then lived off his pension for the rest of his life.

>>11384395
Bullshit, proven wrong by endless authors. Sure, a cushy life gives more time to write, but everyone from Eliot, Conrad, Doyle, Frost, Kafka, Nabokov, Stoker, Vonnegut, etc., not only had day jobs or even careers, but often drew on them for writing inspiration.

>Finish my homework

https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1012289416117841920

>>11386068
u r a fucking gayboi can u READ

>>11385310
law of diminishing returns

>>11385760
i didn´t know langan looked like a mexican

>>11386371
He looks like a fat Bavarian blacksmith

>>11386068
What the fuck? Read the sentence again you forelle.

>not having a job to pay the bills and working on your art in your spare time

>>11385611
Plato also came from a culture that actually recognised the importance of philosophy

WRONG the best way, the BASED way, is to hide your art until you die, and let the living pick at the scraps of your deceased genius

>>11384711
>arab
If Taleb reads this he's going to rip your head off with his non-arab hands.

>le wisdom of le desert man
fuck off with these threads taleb, your books are shit and you're neither smart nor funny

>>11387299
He is not an Arab, he is Phoenician you imbecile.

>>11385741
>Hume
>Seneca

>read / write early in the morning
>work my webdev job through the day
>spend evening with wife, then sleep
>repeat pretty much every day

My only complaint is that I wish I had more time to work on my novels although I'm pretty comfortable with the momentum of my life right now.

>>11386052
Professor of PHILOLOGY u fucking retard

>>11388490
good shit

>>11384395
No this is wrong, Kant, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Jünger all lived off their writing and teaching. Complete fucking lies this nigger just disliked academia, which im in agreement with, they’re subs, but there’s no reason to think geniuses should have jobs. Work is humiliating and for cattle not artists
>>11388697
not something to croak about sperg

>>11384395
https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

Opinions?

>>11388490
Strive to make your day more efficient so you can spend more time writing

>>11389434
how do you make money by writing and teaching without selling out?

>>11386076
>'papers'
>not shitty mathematica printouts

>>11389478
You just live off of the teaching part, dumbass.

>>11384395

>>11388490
When do you go to bed and when do you wake up?

>>11384705
Good choice. Huysmans worked most of his life in the Interior Ministry.

>>11385741
Ammonius Saccas was a docker. Xenophon was a mercenary.

>>11390387
Plato set up the academy, though. And Aristotle taught for a living. So did Aquinas, Descartes, Kant, Hegel, Schooenhauer and even Nietzsche, who was lucky enough to be given a pension as the academy admitted to its mistake of giving him a position.
So the best philosophers, it seems, were always academics.

>>11385645
More like 200 years ago.
Does /lit/ even read?

>>11390408
It's a different business model to producing mass market work. All of those historical models depended on patronage, often of wealthy widows who took upon the philosopher as a substitute husband/lover; or otherwise were adoptees of wealthy/powerful families and funded their work and academies, or secured positions in academia, state or church through nepotism.

>>11385003
are you saying you have the potential to be the next shakespeare lmao

>>11388490
mfw read half the day at my webdev job

>>11385611
>Professional philosopher
What does that even mean in the context of Ancient Greece?

>>11390448
Nice. You hiring?

>>11385611
literally no he wasn't. half of his work is mocking and insulting people who took money in exchange for wisdom.

>>11386105
I think you meant to say, falling rate of profit

>you will never live off the monthly donations of admiring nobles, freeing you of the need to work and allowing you to work on your art 100% of the time
Last example I can remember reading was that Evola was gifted an apartment in Rome for free by an admiring aristocrat. Man, I want to live that life.

>>11389434
>Work is humiliating and for cattle not artists
This tbqhwy

>>11389434
you realize that the academia is just a propaganda mill for the elite to enslave the cattle with right?

>>11385645

>>11385588
do you think those artists just did nothing in their spare time

Anthony Trollope used to write on the train commute to work at the post office.

>>11391200
seriously dubs

like manners and such before it there will always be "something else" the elite will try to sell you to make you feel complete
the elite sell it to each other too

oh woof

>>11384395
I have no idea who this James Toback-looking joke is, but I assume this is the usual "everyone should do what I did or they're not my nigga" shit that second-class writers come out with.

>>11384395
I agree.

>>11390434

>>11385611
Kek

>>11385760
Spinoza lived of pulling lens

>>11384395
>tfw a pilot
fug agademigs desu

>>11389932
>>teaching is not selling out

yeah ok

>>11391015
same thing